Is "self-hatred" acceptable if one is neither White or male

It's apparent from all scientific evidence that isn't social science faggotry that Whites are the top race in every metric that matters (intelligence, harmony, attractiveness). It's apparent that White men have done the most contributions to the actual sciences.

Now, I ask, is an issue if a gook or nigger does all he can to fight other niggers and gooks for the good of civilization? To admit how sheeit his acclompishments are. To drive his group to be better (more White) while fighting racemixing going to White lands? And so on.

And if a women, admit that it's not her place to rule or to research or to compete with men?

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There is no reason for a nigger to not hate himself.

No, there are always better things to hate than your self.

People who hate themselves eventually project that hatred outwards and want other people to be just as miserable as they are. Nothing good can come of it. Like said, there's always something worse than yourself to hate,

Figure that out for yourself. Go back to your own country and work for your own people.

Couldn't agree more. Whites (even amongst us) aren't really uniform in their ultimate ideal for human civilization. Some of us believe that there is a place for lesser races in it, others don't. Personally I believe that we will have a tough time getting into space without some kind of eugenics program, because that is the true final frontier that our bodies must cope with. I see two main options for this: free (more likely forced because supremacists will exist in every race) genetic engineering for everyone, or the real Final Solution to end all ethnic problems.

Is it "better" for lesser races to help us in this goal? For us, sure. But I'll always have less respect for them than those who blaze the trail. That's just the way it works; much the same way that the Nazi German might respect his British enemy more than the Muslim North African who submitted to the Nazi cause. The respect is there because they are forging their own path for the betterment of their people.

Like
THE JEWS

only for jews

Non-Whites should hate themselves because they are repulsive, accused genetic waste that should be exterminated off the face of the Earth.

White women that get married and have a healthy litter of precious White babies and be the best mother they can to them have nothing to hate themselves for. There is nothing wrong with being a woman, women just have a completely different role in society than men and should recognize this. White women that have slutted it up should be ashamed of themselves though, not for being a woman but for being an unvirtuous one.

How are you going to help anyone or throw juden down the well if you hate yourself.

It's simple:

a) Whites
i) males should pride themselves in being the creator of civilization
ii) females should pride themselves in being the caretakers of this civilization

b) non-whites
should all collectively kill eachother.

Even if you're a nigger bitch:


Maybe the rest of us wouldn't hate you so much, and you wouldn't have to hate yourself

His main race first and foremost that he is part of the sperg race.

That's not the reason they'd do it, OP. You're a very foolish person if you think it is. The only reason any non-white would "side" with whites is because they would see us as the "winning" side, meaning they either gain our favour and try to convince us to keep them alive, or they day in the race war.

This is purely self-serving. If any non-white really cares about our race, they would kill themselves and take as many of their kin with them. Loyalty through death.

How about you stop with that cheap clown shit otherwise you might be looking at another trumpening on a larger scale just out of pure spite.

What the fuck are you on about?

Your little smug mind.

You sound like an insufferable Redditcuck nigger-lover.

You sound like a little well placed semen receptor, given the new information.

You're the one cucking for shitskins.

No, it isn't.

You simply have to be proud of what you are.

In terms of blacks, they're a race of humankind that belongs in Africa, hunting lions and shit. There is a lot to be proud of there.

In terms of women, they're the gender that makes and raises children, thus ensuring the continuation of the entire species. This is loaded with pride.

However when a black guy is proud of doing white things, or when a woman is proud of doing male things, this is called "Jewish Brainwashing".

You should make more "this really makes you think" threads on psyduckchan but first read up on your new playbooks.

Oh please, just shut the fuck up with this "every1 shud be proud of who dey r :33!! Evry1 is speshul in der own way :DDD" bullshit. Niggers are worthless trash. They have nothing to be proud of. No accomplishments, no real civilisation, no examples of high cultural expression. For thousands of years they squatted in their own shit and still do for the most part. They don't deserve Africa simply because their ancestors lived there. Africa is the rightful clay of the white man to expand into, and colonise. Not a single nigger should be left alive,

Can you do anything but spew nonsensical garbage?

They are at least not fundamentally brain damaged as the white cucks are.


You sound like that guy that wanted to get into the foreign legion, but either you are a fucking idiot are larping like one. That is why i asked you if you want another trumpening on a larger scale.

Literally everything you say is nonsensical verbal diarrhea

That is what your mother said when she shat you into the toilet and you clogged it. BUt then again your mother didnt know that diarrhea is very viscous just like your dick when you want to masturbate to small titted cute girls.

you should use your energy to try to improve your race
hating yourself doesn't help anyone get to fucking space

Why not cut our losses and just genocide all non-whites then use their resources for maximum gains?

You should work on your shitposting. You're not very good.

Because conventional war is fuckall expensive.

i honestly don't feel like a human contains that many resources
admittedly i'm ignorant as fuck on this topic

Getting to space is retarded bullshit. Because if you really want to be rational, the first thing that humans have to do is establish an equlibrium on planet apes that is able to maintain space exploration as a leisure just like your dick explores tranny porn (i probably will never get the fetish for that other than explaining it with some severe zeitgeist distortions). In a way the globalists think that way but they are like an impatient child that cries to the adults.


If i would be any better you would need to collect your pride on the reddit sophistry dumpster.

What the absolute fuck are you saying?

Anyway, space exploration isn't a luxury - It's a necessity. Right now, our species has all its eggs in one basket and if we lose Earth, the White race dies with it. At least having colonies on other planets would guarantee that somebody survives.

fuck off kike

wew.

Focusing on space exploration as an entity is like being an autist focusing on a very specific topic.
It isnt long lasting and it isnt neccessary, it is a luxury good, and that doesnt mean that this wouldnt be a good thing in the long run.

What most "scientists" misinterpret is that society works not only on pure ideals but on raw shit. Get the raw shit right and the other shit is childs play.


What you are trying to say is that most globalists are jews. Globalism is a state of mind and resources. Jews just take advantage of that, and by that i mean the nihilistic jews.
But blame everything on jews as a scapegoat just like the SJWs blame everything blame everything on the white male, because after all it is a sign lacking intelligence.

leave now before people start goreposting, kike

Go slit your wrists, you disgusting fucking yid.

Not without the right substance, are you somehow retarded or an autist?
But you should post that the best gore, i really liked that packet cutter vid with the cut off hands and the gargling sounds, it even got one guy to say someone should summarize that vid to him. Isnt human brutality a very facinating phenomenon? I wonder what people would do that kind of stuff.

and what right substance is that
you just go ahead and prove right now how much you know about deep space

What a worthless subhuman you are.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_ecology
Or the pavlov pyramid

And then again my best friend is getting his phd in theoretical physics. And one time i met his his colleques and and they really really liked my opinion. But then again one was a self destructing idealists that loved to bash ownerless oldshool tvs, and one was someone that was going into social media. And his russiangirlfirend was also getting her phd in physics and i even said word for word what she would say to him and i was also perfectly predicting what the social media guy would say, meaning that his algorithms are like art.

And if i look into your deep space things it is like looking into your mind because the deep space is what your mind is glued to, and always turning and turning to get that one brillant idea with all that information you have and all the other deep space friends that are probably on the very topic that you are. Because you are like dogs that got a astral bone that you research on and then you get a violine playing gook that thinks the same and then you have to run run faster.

oh, it's anecdotal evidence
good thing i wasn't very invested in this thread

Right now i dont give a shit about deep space, that is for later, just like a dish and just like i explained it to you earlier.

But do you ask yourself what i really ask myself.
What strikes me most is that one time i was in a club and a saw a hypertonic fat girl, about 300lbs and she barely had b-cups, i would have had bigger tits if i would have had that weight.

And then i wonder how can it be possible that this fat blob is in the same club than me, if you believe in evolution how can she be in the same club as me. I ask myself if we are that different, and if different is just a matter of relativity. Or if she is objectively, you know a black hole of bad genes. So what makes her a 300lbs hypertonic iq 90 barely b-cup monster and next to her a really desirable cutie with c-cups and not even 115lbs.
Then i ask myself what the fuck makes that difference, just like the difference in intelligence. Is genetics like a game of dota where you have 5 heros that once the other heros farmed well you get stomped, what makes that. Is it like your genes are like a game of dota where the outside is the opposite team and some of your genes (team) feeds couriers to the opposite team? That is what is really facinates me.

Of course it's ok. Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.

it's acceptable, sure. That doesn't make it productive, but if a nigger wants to hate himself he's welcome to do so.

I would also like to point out that a nigger can be anti black without hating himself. Black racial inferiority is scientific fact that is out of anyone's control. A nigger doesn't have to hate themselves personally to recognize that.

On the contrary this would mean if you get interrupted you are winning?

the whole pride thing seems extremely irrational and nonsensical, I mean just explain how does it work
no, only thing that makes objective sense is to work in your interest and if you really are objectively superior you will end up on top, it is as simple as that
hell, being proud might be just as bad as being self hating if it diverts your attention from your interests

A nigger can hate himself and his brothers all he wants, but it won't make him one of us. I understand that he doesn't have much to be proud of in his own race, but that's not going to stop me from finding him a little pathetic for it. Asians actually have stuff to be proud of, even the shittier breeds like Koreans. Self-hating Asians get nothing but contempt from me. Acknowledging their race's flaws and working to correct them is good, but wanting to ditch their own people for us is repulsive.
I'm never going to trust a traitor like that even if it's not my race he's betraying.
There's no reason individual exceptional women can't be involved in certain male fields (western patriarchy in the past has generally been pretty good at utilizing female talent), and there's no reason a normal woman whose place is in the home raising kids shouldn't be proud of that role.

It means that if your enemy interrupts and corrects you, they have prevented you from disadvantaging yourself, which in turn makes their victory more difficult.

Its like liberals playing the race card too much. We know it's a mistake, but if we tell them that, they could correct it. It's better to let them gimp themselves and make our victory easier.

I would advise to just rip them into shreds. And this game isnt played by that rules since it implies that you play against a human opponent, you are playing against a cloud of opponents and they are not making mistakes in the conventional way, the only way you win against them is to turn the cloud into a different colour.

You are not really playing against the liberals, because the liberals are just a bunch of pawns that set them up themselves with a little help.

The liberals are bunch of bots on medium difficulty, you try out some new tactics but ultimately it is just stroking your own ego because they are no real challenge.

Blacks shouldn't hate themselves, they should do their best to keep their own tribe as civilized as possible. If they're conservative they're probably in the top 20 percent anyway.

If they get too uppity and breed against the rules though, then there's a problem.

Not terribly sure where you're going with the "turn the cloud into a different color" remark, unless you mean racially.

And it's easier to rip them into shreds if they've broken their ankles by tripping themselves.


I know the liberals aren't the mastermind, I was using them as an example. In reality, it's the Jews' mistake, and we should let them keep making it as long as they're stubborn enough to make it.

Energy that we don't have to spend destroying them because they destroyed themselves somewhat is energy we have for another purpose. Victory is victory, no matter the methods.

Self-hatred is disgusting regardless of where you're from. Every race should love their own and work to further their people
ITT: White people who think they're superior because of of other peoples accomplishments.

We are quite obviously superior, even without anyone having accomplished jack shit that would be the case. Our genes are better from the start, and then they go on to do better things because of it.

This, if they want to exist to the same standard as other humans, they must strive for it intelligently like everyone else, and keep to themselves. If they want to simply breed like animals while siphoning the earth's resources to waste it on frivolities they will be beaten to a pulp by the other peoples.

yeah sure but everything that isnt proven is automatically a bullshit
if you cant prove something, its bullshit

how do you know you have better genes if you dont prove it by doing something useful?

They should not hate themselves.

Whites aren't the top in everything they are just generally good as a whole at the majority of things; hence master race. I see whites as the Jack of All Trades race.

Other races specialize in things; from Mechanical abilities to Psychical athleticism. The greeks knew that the body was no less or greater than the mind and respected both.

Human specialization is the ultimate key to Super Civilization. Each race adapted the way they did for a reason and they all have a purpose or can grow their skills collective into something powerful.

The Fasces and love of all of humanity are far from mutually exclusive.

Nice try

By the metric of measure Hitlers conquering of most of the known world (with Japan and Italy) and setting the stage for fascist relationships between the majority of the world would have equated to globalism.

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Hitler cucked for Asians. And?

Almost no one here would know because most people here are degenerate untermensch. There's niggers and Pakis I know who uphold good morals and are successful while there are White people who steal shoes from my doorstep

You aren't shit. Vid related. (
youtube.com/watch?v=z2JXP1Su3G8) Just because we on average have higher IQ doesn't mean anything. If it did, then Asians would be superior to us. Guess how many White doctors and specialists I have? 0. I would prefer to have moral, intelligent niggers around me than lower class Whites who walk around without shoes and live on welfare (Western Sydney is full of these types).

Attached pic is about mongrels, but still relevant.

not an a argument

If you're no good, you're not worthy of having pride. You ought to hate yourself and try and act as humble as possible, never referring to yourself, or thinking positively of yourself or your actions. Can non-whites be good?

Total Worth = genetics + morals + values + work ethic + […]

lets say you have a very high genetics score, if everything else is negative your total worth might be lesser then an exceptional nigger
no I'm not because I want to minmax my life and the future for my children, therefore I want to be surrounded by highest total worth people, and all these people would end up being white because white genetics are objectively greater than nonwhite genetics
third reich was a total worth reich, not genetics only reich
Third reich was gassing plenty of genetically good enough people, such as faggots and addicts and mentally disabled and leftists…

IF YOU VALUE ONLY GENETICS, YOU'D STILL HAVE A STATE WITH LEFTISTS, FAGGOTS, DEGENERATES OF ALL KIND YOU COULDNT KILL ON PRINCIPLE OR POLICY

No. Everyone, even vile nigs and kikes, have the right to self-determination. However, jews and groids don't give a shit about self-determination, they just wanna live of white peoples' hard work.

Hardly. It would have been a more traditional balance of power, rather than what the UN is trying to do.

White genes are wealth: accumulated capital.

Whites are the top race because we spent more than two thousand years executing every criminal in our midst. That was an incredible amount of blood and suffering spent to acquire very good human breeding stock.

There are other forms of hereditary wealth I don't have even though I'm white. I don't hate myself for not having millionaire parents. I don't hate myself for not inheriting a mansion and a limousine.

Just as I don't hate myself for not being born rich, blacks don't need to hate themselves for being born not white. Aspire to better genetics and breeding, and be aware these things are aquired incrementally over generations.

You may as well hate yourself for not being born in the era of cheap space travel. Be thankful for what you've got instead; like antibiotics.

Which is excactly what I was saying. If you'd actually read some of Hitler's writings you might understand that wanting every race to excel and become something on its own and contribute to humanity as a whole is not equitable to globalism, thanks for owning up to your mistake.

………if Hitler wanted every race to excel, why did he invade eastern Europe?
Guy wanted to exterminate lesser races, this could hardly be stated any more obvious in his own book, he did not want to assist other races but to claim the whole world for the Aryan race. And sure small % of people who were suitable for Aryanization really would excel, but a larger majority of population, usually in double digit %s would be used for slave labor and then wiped out.

Self hatred is disgusting, nobody should engage in it.

Spotted the shill

Why keep women out of research if they're good at it? I mean, if it's just a quota hire, then fuck 'em, but I'm sure there are women who are smarter than me in certain fields.

I thought when he said "Psychical athleticism", he literally meant athleticism of a "psychic" nature i.e. people who are able to apply their mind for long hours of time to mental tasks (e.g. maths, programming, etc.).

Sage because I think you were just joking.

You should read up on epigenetics, there are plenty of science/lay science books on it. Essentially the environment puts selective pressure on your gene expression, which controls which ones are activated. Also the accumulated experiences of your ancestors can affect that for 8 generations, possibly more. All very interesting, good to know if you have kids as well.

no u

I dont know what sources are you citing where Hitler wanted to create a multiculti utopia modern leftist wet dream but just segregated.
On the other hand, I can cite mein kampf and various documents and materials that remained of the third reich, as well as what people who lived in it wrote and said, but then you can just go
rendering the discussion with you same as discussion with a shit flinging monkey, no matter what you say to a monkey he is still going to simply fling his shit at you.

For strategic purposes, obviously. Had he not invaded those countries, the Soviet Union would have instead, placing Germany in a more vulnerable position.

I assume you're talking about Mein Kampf? If so, could you link to the exact page where Hitler stated he 'wants to exterminate every lesser race'? I see people say this all the time, even people who never read one page of Mein Kampf.

Source? Leon Degrelle, a Belgian Waffen-SS volunteer begs to differ. Also, why do people keep saying Hitler wanted to conquer the world? He was the exact opposite of a Globalist.

I have a feeling that you don't understand what the word Aryan means. Watch Alfred Rosenberg's "The Myth" for a better understanding: youtube.com/watch?v=NUhYJ2crKQk
Right now I assume you're using the jewish definition of Aryan, 'blonde hair blue eyes'? Couldn't be more wrong.

To clarify, Alfred Rosenberg didn't make the video. But the source material was his philosophy if I'm not mistaken, been a while since I last watched it.

I read mein kampf ford translation, and sure he did invade eastern Europe for strategic purpose, but he would also invade the rest of the world for the same "strategic purposes".
Check en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost where he targeted eastern Europe for extermination.
I know I know, history of the third reich is pozzed as fuck, but from what I was figuring out myself from primary sources on the subject, he wanted to unify the whole world in the Aryan state.
What does socialism in national socialism stands for? What is next, he was a limited government, full freedom kinda guy?

Hitler wanted a super strong ethnic state that did not tolerate other races inside or outside. Also saying that he was acting 100% defensive is also wrong. Yes I know Soviet Union was preparing to attack but read up how Hitler hated Switzerland, he hated the living shit out of that place, saying the Swiss disgusted him like no other, and that he will wipe them out as soon as the opportunity lets him.

b) non-whites

should all collectively move to africa and actually prove there lives are worth something/deserve to live

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I disagree, if Hitler defeated the Soviet Union there would be no other logical reasons to invade other nations, let alone the entire world. The idea of lebensraum was completely exclusive to the East, and the only other reason for expantion was to unite all German speaking peoples. I don't think anywhere outside Europe has an enitre country speaking German.
Now, it is entirely likely that Hitler would have made the Russians and other Eastern Europeans migrate into Siberia beyond the Urals, or it's equally likely that he would genocide them. Replicating what happened in the US with the Native Americans and Manifest Destiny.

You have yet to show me those primary sources. I haven't seen any of that world unification under an Aryan state mentioned in Mein Kampf, but if it is there could you kindly link the exact page it's mentioned on? I may have missed it.

See the image, it's a mouthful to read but it explains in detail what National Sociaism is as a whole, even the Sociaism part. (hint: it's not Marxist Socialism)

Yes, he wanted a super strong ethnic state for Germans. But he was certainly not hellbent on extermination of the races of the world, why would he care about whatever they do outside his own nation? Hitler was a German National Socialist first and foremost, he cared about the preservation and well being of his people, not the extermination of races outside of his nation.

Maybe it seemed like I was saying Hitler was purely defensive but I wasn't trying to imply it, I know that's not true. The invasion of the Czechoslovakia, Denmark and Norway show that. Though, Denmark and Norway were more of a protection against an Anglo-Swedish alliance/invasion of Germany.

On Wikipedia (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Tannenbaum), Adolf Hitler is quoted saying "Switzerland possessed the most disgusting and miserable people and political system. The Swiss were the mortal enemies of the new Germany." The source given is Christian Leitz's 'Nazi Germany and Neutral Europe during the Second World War' on pg 14. Unfortunately, that PDF is not free. Do you know where I can find some free PDF to read up on his dislike of the Swiss?

He hated the Swiss because of their democracy and voting on everything, and especially because they were German people who also lived together with the French and Italians. In Hitler's state, individuals had very limited rights and freedoms and very intense responsibilities, and Switzerland was kinda the opposite, you could even choose between 4 languages to speak…

This whole narrative about Hitler actually being the best friend of jews and how he wanted the best for everyone and how holohoax didnt happen is just insane to me. Sure jews are milking the holohoax hard, but that doesnt mean Hitler didnt want to wipe them out for good.
In his chapters about after unification period and the state, he explicitly says that every German is going to own a small farm or a small business, start a family, and non-Aryans and degenerates would be exterminated trough work.
Saying that Hitler would unite and develop Germany and then go around the world helping and developing all other countries and races seems absolutely insane to me, when the guy clearly preached supremacy, not isolationism or segregation.

blow your brains out, kike.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA SUCK SHIT CONTINENTALS

You shitskin-lovers deserve death for your cucking.

I'm not sure if you were saying that there's something wrong with this, but just letting you know, there is nothing wrong with this. "One must also realize that man is neither hermit nor herd animal, but a little bit of both, because these traits are not mutually exclusive. He has individualistic traits, but he also has socialistic traits. He is both himself and a part of a group. Only National Socialism recognizes this fact, whereas capitalists would like us to believe that we are only individuals, and communists are telling us we are only part of a greater collective. We must recognize that individuality must be limited at the point where it is a detriment to the social good, and that collectivism must be limited where it begins to destroy the soul of the individual."


I wasn't saying Hitler was the best friend of the jews, although many jews fought in the Wehrmacht, that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be wiped out. No such thing as a good jew. Though the part about the races is true, you have to understand though, in Hitler's time niggers weren't in a position of power like they are now. Had they been in positions of power in Germany, Hitler wouldn't have tolerated them, it's the same with the Muslims who fought in the Wehrmacht. Back then, Muslims weren't invading Germany and raping German women like they are now. So they were tolerated.
The part about wishing the best for the other races may seem insane to you, but there is nothing wrong with it. What's wrong with leavining niggers to their own devices in Africa and hoping that they'll eventually turn out civilised? I personally don't think there's anything wrong with wanting niggers to evolve to be better and less savage like, just not in my own country of course, they can fuck off back to Africa.

There seems to be a misunderstanding here, I wasn't trying to say that Hitler would go around developing other countries once he developed Germany, I was trying to say that he would just leave them alone and not try to genocide and conquer them. He has no interest in creating African colonies like Britain and France did, imperialism was a mistake that shouldn't be repeated: see Britain, it's now full of pakis and all other former colonial citizens.

I don't see anything wrong with this. Non-Aryans clearly shouldn't be in an Aryan dominated continent and degenerates are vile and need to be punished for their wrong doings. Degenerates and Non-Aryans pose a risk to the well being of our people, so they must go one way or another.

No, instead of realizing where you are what you can do once after this actualization you decide to stew with the hand you've been dealt with and not be a great person because you're inept and a petty person who thinks because he's non-white thinks he's just a dumb monkey, it's like saying the day is sad because it's raining. Judge a man by accomplishments, virtues, character, then vices. Genetics is the foundation for a person but environment is what makes them.

i read stuff by thomas sowell, i don't think he hates himself.

Actually you could argue that there are genes that are tied to degeneracy and leftism. Also r/k selection theory.

In other words, morals, values, work ethics- are partially, and possibly mostly, genetically selected.

Literally what

Oh, it's just TRS, nothing to see here

Who the hell let in all these civic nationalist cucks?

There aren't enough actually good female researchers to warrant letting them into male spaces. They end up blowing their fertile years and bring dysfunction (either through males white knighting or female cattyness once they get too large).

Even Sowell blamed Whitey for Black failure.

nope

how about being hunted *by* lions

if by whitey you mean (((white))) liberals, yes.

Nah man you retarded.

ayyyy

Reminder that supporting racial pride for Non-Whites makes you a cuck.

He blames White rednecks for Black failure.

The cuck nationalist talks.

nice try TRS

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Niggers and Fags should hate themselves. White women shouldn't.

In Europe there's no "white". Mixed-nation is the same as mixed-race, and how you get treated makes you hate yourself.

feels good man. Might not have been dealt the best hand in life but my life would be meaningless if I was mixed race or non-white.

I'm white and I hate myself. Not because I'm white, I just hate myself.

Not sure how to stop as it's the only way of thinking that I've ever known.

not true
self-determination in africa is stifled

Niggers aren't capable of running a continent with Africa's resources.

You don't have to hate yourself in order to admire the accomplishments of other races. I am not chinese, but I admire their military history. I am not Latin, yet I recognize the SPQR as the greatest civilization of it's time. The greeks are gone in their full form, their magnificient accomplishment to be only half-remembered by races formerly uncivilized savages. I recognize the byzantine people's great efforts to preserve all knowledge and adherance to christian values. Am I any of those things? No. But I strive to emulate their magnificient values and look to their civilizations as great role models. Perhaps you could do the same?