Javascript is fucking cancer

Isaac Evans
Isaac Evans

Alright. I've fucking had it with this abomination.
decide to try out react because i want a job
version from packet manager is outdated
install obscure other packet manager to install node and react
takes 10 years and 200TB of storage to install
use react to create a new project
everything breaks
look into the dependencies folder
800 packages
How do people put up with this shit? Why is a language that was meant to do frontend shit now used for the backend?
When did it all go so wrong?

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github.com/npm/npm/issues/19883
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github.com/OpenIB/OpenIB/tree/master/js
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Jackson Rivera
Jackson Rivera

You are clearly just too stupid to be a programmer in any language. Any smart person finds the .js files they need and dumps them in a /js directory. If you're too low IQ to do that, use bower

Dominic Sullivan
Dominic Sullivan

Anything that you do on the browser can and should be done with pure JS, anything else is stupid bloat.

Anything that isn't on the browser should not be using JS.

Logan Morales
Logan Morales

Lodash is fine, though. You can even include just the functions you need.

Sebastian Ross
Sebastian Ross

No jQuery because I love the DOM's verbose as fuck API and investigate all the quirks every browser has so I have to write a hundred ifs or polyfill them myself
Yeah, nah. Yer a fag. Also, Node is one of the last comprehensible and hackable server platforms left
inb4 "ackshully node is not a server"
xddd ebin

Ryan Reed
Ryan Reed

If you need jqueer then your website is bloated.

Zachary Perez
Zachary Perez

wanting to get even more intimate with Web 2.0 crapola
What were you expecting, something like TempleOS?

Chase Rivera
Chase Rivera

The web is abstractions all the way down.

Jordan Evans
Jordan Evans

React is a faggot facebook framework and you fucked up by falling for it. There's only two acceptable ways to do JS:
pure ES6+ node in the server
angular-cli in the client

Adam Gomez
Adam Gomez

OP don't listen to this nigger. React is fine.

Camden Collins
Camden Collins

How do you set react up to work with an arbitrary backend?

Andrew Myers
Andrew Myers

Edit the source code to React.

Gabriel Russell
Gabriel Russell

React is fine
Don't listen to the Facebook shill.

github.com/facebook/react/blob/d63249d03488fec1ea92a81ba29f0e87a82feeae/PATENTS


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Ayden Bailey
Ayden Bailey

By using node like your'e supposed to.

Easton Cox
Easton Cox

shit that will never ever effect jimmy from /g/ learning react for jobs

Cooper Sanchez
Cooper Sanchez

There's a new strain of AIDS dubbed Super AIDS out there. Be safe!

Anthony Campbell
Anthony Campbell

Anyone have any resources that show a nice overview on JS? I've always considered it a meme and have avoided it like the plague except for minimal html/css uses.

Jose Flores
Jose Flores

Once you know the basics, read this:
github.com/getify/You-Dont-Know-JS

John Morales
John Morales

Hey thanks, this seems to be exactly what I was looking for. A lot of JS tutorials or web-series you find usually just show you something at a base lever rather than teach you exactly how the language works.

Jayden Wilson
Jayden Wilson

Anytime user.

Jordan Young
Jordan Young

Anything like that for C++(17+)?

Brody Thomas
Brody Thomas

i will be a code artistan in no time :^)

Cameron Clark
Cameron Clark

I bet you make your websites using assembly and Json files, right?

Ayden Richardson
Ayden Richardson

why would you use jquery now that react exists?

Elijah Hall
Elijah Hall

No, I make it with HTML and CSS. Shove your web3.0 jqueer website up your ass.

Christian Hernandez
Christian Hernandez

I make it with HTML and CSS
Then your "website" isn't useful. At best it's probably little more than a faggy blog.

Angel Barnes
Angel Barnes

One day you'll find out that Holla Forums works without javascript.

Cooper Butler
Cooper Butler

Adnauseam
Ahem, pal, /g/ is two blocks down the road you know?

Nathaniel Gonzalez
Nathaniel Gonzalez

What the fuck is your point? Disable JS and the site will still work perfectly.

Logan Taylor
Logan Taylor

one of the last comprehensible and hackable server platforms left

What the fuck are you talking about? It's not really any different compared to any other programming language implementation. In fact, it's worse at even the most basic of tasks.

Its single threaded design means you either clog up the event loop with time-consuming functions or write your code in continuation passing style where all operations are cut up into small functions that call each other in order to allow the event loop to run. It's the opposite of comprehensible; even with promises, the code still involves passing function objects all over the place so they can be called. Remember that CPS was supposed to be some kind of intermediate representation meant for compilers. Even Go has superior concurrency compared to this crap.

Hackable? What the fuck does that even mean? I seriously doubt you're man enough to hack on the Node.js runtime (libuv + v8), and even if you are, it doesn't make it any more hackable than, say, Ruby or Python. The real difference is Node.js apparently has the biggest number of projects out there; it's even bigger than CPAN. Is that what you're talking about? Size of the community? As if they're going to give you any support on their 10 home-grown modules that provide exactly 1 function each.

Gavin Perez
Gavin Perez

Why don't people just read the actual ECMA standard?

ecma-international.org/ecma-262/8.0/index.html

It's not like C and its undefined behavior. Everything about the language is specified. Every feature of the language is there.

Bentley Diaz
Bentley Diaz

This is not going to be fixed.

Section 30.02 of _Unix Power Tools_ by O'Reilly & Associates says
... /ispell/, originally written by Pace Willison ...

but hey, I was there when Pace ported the ITS SPELL program
to C. Sure I am grateful to have a few reminders (^Z is
another one) of bygone glories around, but let's give credit
where credit is due! Legend tells of a Chinese Emperor who
ordered books burned so all knowledge would be credited to
his reign. I guess the subsequent generation of scholars
were a lot like the Weenix Unies of today.

I don't regard it a "real" UNIX, then again I wouldn't buy a
"real" UNIX, 1970s software technology is not something I
would want to buy today.

Getting caught up in the "pure" UNIX war will lead you to
restrict yourself to "pure" SVR4 implementations, in the
mainstream camp *only* SUN have gone for this. That in my
view does not make it much of a "standard".

If a vendor decides to do something about the crass
inadequacies of UNIX we should give them three cheers, not
start a flame war about how the DIRECTORY command *must*
forever and ever be called ls because that is what the great
tin pot Gods who wrote UNIX thought was a nice, clear name
for it.

The most threatening thing I see in computing today is the
"we have found the answer, all heretics will perish"
attitude. I have an awful lot of experience in computing, I
have used six or seven operating systems and I have even
written one. UNIX in my view is an abomination, it has
serious difficulties, these could have been fixed quite
easily, but I now realize nobody ever will.

At the moment I use a VMS box, I do so because I find that I
do not spend my time having to think in the "UNIX" mentality
that centers around kludges. I do not have to tolerate a
help system that begins its insults of the user by being
invoked with "man".


Apollo in my view were the only UNIX vendor to realize that
they had to put work into the basic operating system. They
had ACLs, shared libraries and many other essential features
five years ago.


What I find disgusting about UNIX is that it has *never*
grown any operating system extensions of its own, all the
creative work is derived from VMS, Multics and the
operating systems it killed.

Nathan Jenkins
Nathan Jenkins

Why is a language that was meant to do frontend shit now used for the backend?
Didn't javascript start out as the front-end version of a backend language?

Mason Hernandez
Mason Hernandez

Can someone explain to me why it is considered GOOD practice in js to
copy your data
modify the copy
assign the copy to the original
instead of just acting on the original via a reference/pointer?

Ayden Rogers
Ayden Rogers

While the single threaded design is kind of dumb considering how easy to parallelize it should be, I disagree with your assertion regarding callbacks. Node callbacks are as simple as it gets, with the only problem with them being callback hell, which is a merely syntactic issue solved by Promises and async/await. Promise.all() is also one of the best foolproof concurrency strategies, although being JS and all it wouldn't really be concurrent.

Node is hackable in the sense that it is not framework-y, even using Express, which is advertised as a framework. I am not an expert in web frameworks, but I have used some, an Node was the only one that let me do whatever the fuck I wanted with it due to the fact that everything was defined via language constructs and not humongous black box classes with configuration via obscure XML files and obscene abuses of reflection. In Express, everything is a function; it can't get simpler than that.

Bentley Sullivan
Bentley Sullivan

Who considers it good practice? I have heard a lot of idiocy regarding good JS practices, but this is the first time I hear about this. Are you sure it is not standard "muh inmutable" programming to avoid changing the object being referenced somewhere else?

Ryan Cruz
Ryan Cruz

trying to understand js
the problem is youre not pajeet enough

Landon Bell
Landon Bell

react
That's where you contracted HIV user.

Thomas Jackson
Thomas Jackson

JavaScript semantics are really bad.

Christopher Lopez
Christopher Lopez

Stop reading tutorials from starbucks sipping hipsters.

Elijah Edwards
Elijah Edwards

Just don't do webdesign its a waste of time. Let the females and indians do it.

Matthew Gomez
Matthew Gomez

Everything moved into the web. Native apps are over.

Zachary Rogers
Zachary Rogers

Javascript is the perfect example of open sores software. You can view the source of any website's javascript fuck you webasm but you are just going to run into proprietary and obfuscated source code all of the time.

Nicholas Walker
Nicholas Walker

I think the term open sores is stupid, but it would be intellectually dishonest for me not to contradict that. Open source, as defined by the OSI, is actually pretty on par with Free Software criteria for free software if not stricter, and most people who support open source (except the stupid ones, so ignore them) basically agree with that sentiment. The issue with open sores is moreso the fact that it's seen in utilitarian terms; the consequence of that is that there are tons of open source proponents that don't even eat their own dogfood--who will literally use proprietary software out of spite for the bloated GPL because "MacOS is BSD" (it's not). So, the issue isn't that there is js and html and xhtml and all that other junk that's technically open source but still proprietary--proprietary code regardless of source model isn't open source by OSI's definition--the issue is that open source proponents literally don't give a shit whether it's proprietary or not--with the exception of that tiny, tiny minority of people like OpenBSD who believe in freedom zero but not the FSF interpretation of free software, but, unfortunately, they're basically lopped in with those retards by nature of having no alternative.

Noah Flores
Noah Flores

Native apps are over
This. Locked down trash like the Apple app prison killed native apps for all but the most specialized cases. That's why Rust-based web dev is the future of niggerhate

Nolan Turner
Nolan Turner

By niggerhate, do you mean that in the positive sense or the negative sense of the word?

Kevin Baker
Kevin Baker

Whats the difference between Java and JS?

Xavier Ward
Xavier Ward

implying niggerhate could be anything but positive
Stop.

Isaac Ward
Isaac Ward

One's for pajeets, the other's for women.

Adam Evans
Adam Evans

Niggerhate as in the act of inflicting niggerhate could have a different connotation than niggerhate as a concept or deeper abstraction.

Jack Martin
Jack Martin

Niggerhate is a lifestyle.

Cameron Roberts
Cameron Roberts

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Nathaniel Lewis
Nathaniel Lewis

Java and JavaScript were made by and for UNIX weenies. All these Windows users complaining about PHP and JS have never used real UNIX software.

"We were not out to win over the Lisp programmers; we were after the C++ programmers. We managed to drag a lot of them about halfway to Lisp." - Guy Steele, Java spec co-author

As DLW says, "C++ is the C of object oriented programming languages."

The following was brought to my attention by VP.
Try using bc to calculate the value of 163/ln(163)

Here's a Sun4:

titanic:~[13] bc -l
163/l(163)
32.0-75570-60420-20649243140-49

Here's a DecStation:

hindenburg:~[1] bc -l
163/l(163)
32.0-85189980504841560572

In 1984 I was working on Logo for the Mac, cross-compiled
from a Unix box with the hacked PCC from Sumex. The
assembler on the Unix box started barfing on an illegal
instruction, and I feared the worst. The line was something
like

and R0, 7&F&[email protected]^3

Eventually, I tracked it down to the fragment
p & FOO_FLAG
where FOO_FLAG was defined to be 0x80000000.

Deciding to find out what 0x80000000 was in decimal, I
turned to Logo running on the Mac, and typed
PRINT 8 * 65536 * 65536
and it responded
7&F&[email protected]^3

Yes, the bug was in the "itoa" routine in the PCC runtime,
the basis for the Sumex compiler and also the Unix box
compiler that the Sumex compiler was compiled in...

And I hacked the renderer code to throw cpp the proper
"-DFRAME=%05d" to spit out numbers the way I wanted
them. Why did I want the leading zeros? I don't know, I just
thought it was cleaner.

So I fired up the animation and let it run for a while
(days).

Well, the output was quite amusing (or at least it would
have been if I didn't need the results for my thesis defense
a week later). The object would go down for a few frames,
then jump up and go down a little, then go back to where it
maybe should have been, then jump up....

After a little headscratching, I realized that the leading
zeros in my frame numbers were causing cpp to treat them as
octal values. How precious.

But still, if I say "#define FRAME 00009" then "#if
FRAME==00009" should still fire (or it should at least whine
at me). Well, 00009==00009 does trigger, but so does
00009==00011.

Huh?

Well, some C library thinks that the nine in 00009 isn't
octal, so it interprets it as 9 decimal. And 00011 is a fine
octal rep of 9 decimal. So, both "#if FRAME==00009" and
"#if FRAME==00011" fired and I applied two translate calls
to my object geometry. And(!), it's not that having a
decimal digit makes the whole number decimal. The string
00019 gets interpreted as 00010 octal plus 9 decimal = 17
decimal. Lovely, not.

Leo Rogers
Leo Rogers

Holy shit.

Juan Fisher
Juan Fisher

learn React
get job coding React
work way up food chain, recommend React
destory your company
Sounds perfect.

Jaxon Lee
Jaxon Lee

Locked down trash like the Apple app prison killed native apps for all but the most specialized cases.
<oh no I can't copy the user's address books and run a keylogger to help fund my Russian shareware company

Connor Lopez
Connor Lopez

Get on my level.


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Charles Morgan
Charles Morgan

This thread is why i steer clear of webdev.

Caleb Taylor
Caleb Taylor

it's like a bunch of spergs who love free software can't get anything done.

Hunter Morales
Hunter Morales

Is this a bot?

Asher Lee
Asher Lee

humongous black box classes
configuration via obscure XML files
obscene abuses of reflection
<I don't know how to use a tool, therefore it's bad

Logan Bell
Logan Bell

github.com/npm/npm/issues/19883
( archived at archive.fo/irqOx )
TL:DR when you run npm as root, it will change file owners of essential system files. I am glad that I have avoided nodejs at all costs.

Nicholas Gutierrez
Nicholas Gutierrez

Why is a lincuck always slave to some package manager? When you need a Winblows program, you just download a binary that just werks, preferably getting it from the official site of whoever is the author. Also you can unpack a portable program anywhere and it's just werk from any directory, while Loonix programs always seem to entrench themselves into the OS by placing files all over the place (so they can't be easily removed if something is not quite right with the install-unistall script).

Chase Harris
Chase Harris

implying wangblows uninstaller and program registry not always broken
Package manager makes all your files organized by default. I don't have to decide where the working files should be place because everything is done automatically. Unlike on windows, I have never had any problem with uninstaller in my gnu os. Everything just werks as it is.

Grayson Jones
Grayson Jones

But what if nobody prepared a package of a given piece of software for your specific distro?

Michael Bennett
Michael Bennett

You can compile foreign package yourself. If it's windows binary program, you can use wine.

Colton Scott
Colton Scott

I more or less know how to cope with the most basic features of an overenegineered framework that provides no advantages whatsoever over simpler ones.

Luis Sullivan
Luis Sullivan

Can you have portable programs in Loonix in the sense that they exist in Windows, i.e. that all files that came with the program remain in a single directory? Or do you practically always need scripts which put files in miscellaneous locations and then remove them accordingly upon uninstall?

Justin Lewis
Justin Lewis

What is flatpak? Although, I don't see a point why I need something like that.

Joseph Perry
Joseph Perry

what is static linking
just because the glibc niggers have convinced you otherwise does not mean its a non viable solution.

Samuel Powell
Samuel Powell

Wasting space by having the same library installed 417 times? Using insecure libraries because retarded devs don't update the bundled ones?
Sure, you can have that on Linux too, if you're so inclined.
Also, appimages and flatpacks cram the entire "portable app" into a single file.

Benjamin Gutierrez
Benjamin Gutierrez

What is distributing the source?
What is using a script to ld_preload them from the current directory?
What is statically linking?
What are meme application containers?

Christian James
Christian James

So I've been browsing 8ch without JS, and it's a mixed bag for me. When I browse 8ch using Firefox with JS it caches alot of shit that even that can easily eat up 5GB's of ram, usually when it's open for more than a few days. When I use 8ch without JS, firefox uses about 500MB, which is way more tolerable. However, without JS enabled I can't use the quick-reply box, backlinks, or the auto updater. I thought about putting together some user JS that just has those features, but after looking at the 8ch.js file I don't even know where to start. Thoughts?

Brayden Sanchez
Brayden Sanchez

user JS that just has those features
I've wanted to do it myself too. Wouldn't take too long, I could post it here if you're interested.

Cameron Morgan
Cameron Morgan

That would be awesome. I'm looking through the js right now to get a better understanding of it, and I don't know who threw this shit together, but there's quite a bit of dumb shit that makes it hard to understand. For instance, there's a bunch of one character variable names and functions, and the whole thing is 2000 loc without whitespaces or newlines. About 20000 loc if you want to actually read it. If you manage to strip out all the bloat and get a nice, minimal script, it would be a miracle.

Thomas Reed
Thomas Reed

He is reading the minified file and doesn't even know it is minified
You should read about JS or even Holla Forums before trying to make that plugin, fam.

Captcha: orbcum

Colton Collins
Colton Collins

minification
I see, well that certainly would make sense. I think I just need to get a better understanding of the webdev workflow overall, probably the biggest reason I've avoided js for so long.

Lucas Smith
Lucas Smith

Well, at least you wish to do something. That's more than what your average Holla Forums poster does.

It's in the footer already, but I will post it again:

github.com/OpenIB/OpenIB/tree/master/js

These files get compiled into 8ch.js, then minified. Good luck.

Elijah Rivera
Elijah Rivera

There is no standard workflow for webdev because there are so many different frameworks and memes. Minification is one such meme. Converting all of the function names and variables into single characters and stripping out all the whitespace literally makes the .js file smaller, which means less bytes you have to transfer over when someone lands on your page, which means marginally faster page load. Another more recent meme is webpack, which is taking all of your code and all of your libraries and all of your HTML and CSS and shit and shoving it into one big single .js bundle. This is again done because it makes the page load marginally faster, since there's less overheard making a single HTTP request vs making 20 smaller HTTP requests. Of course it's also viewed as malicious because both memes make the source harder to read, and the bundle makes it harder to selectively script block analytics and shit. They are still done anyways, because the prevailing view is that faster page loads are worth "m-muh source".

Javascript is slowly maturing though. Eventually browsers will have caught up with all of the neat new features in the language and a huge chunk of those third-party scripts and libraries and frameworks will just go away. My dream is for both node.js and npm to be fucking deprecated by the language itself.

Connor Clark
Connor Clark

decide to try out react because i want a job
being too out of touch for too long, this is suddenly too difficult
can't handle it
sperg out on 8ch like a salty faggot

Fixed that for you.

Zachary Wilson
Zachary Wilson

Using insecure libraries because retarded devs don't update the bundled ones?
Are you sure you want software written by retarded devs in the first place?

James Lee
James Lee

That screenshot is moot. The site works without JavaScript just fine.
Also, your OS sucks. Get something with decent font rendering.

Luke Reyes
Luke Reyes

They are still done anyways, because the prevailing view is that faster page loads are worth "m-muh source".
It doesn't really make much sense to me that people would rather butcher their source code than say, design less bloated webpages. For example, the size of this page on Apple's website: apple.com/ios/ios-11/ is about 16MB's, half of that is from images. There are some site's I've seen like cnn or youtube that both have 1MB worth of scripts, so they would benefit from minimizing their code, but I still don't think that "optimizations" like those are worthwhile when images and video typically use up more space.

Hudson Flores
Hudson Flores

If your scripts take megabytes, then minifying may also do a significant dent in parsing time of the code.

Carson Roberts
Carson Roberts

nodejs, npm
Super easy install !
This destroyed 3 production server after a single deploy!
This issue has been happening ever since 5.7.0 was released a few hours ago. It seems to have completely broken my filesystem permissions and caused me to have to manually fix the permissions of critical files and folders.
github.com/npm/npm/issues/19883

Oliver Gray
Oliver Gray

Linux always break anyway

Ian Ortiz
Ian Ortiz

For a fun time, try going to sourceforge with plain html browser. Followed a link there today from slackbuilds.org/repository/14.2/games/znake/ and wtf, never seen anything so nasty (and broken too).

Jonathan Williams
Jonathan Williams

They changed it recently, it was much better before.

Nathaniel Fisher
Nathaniel Fisher

Lol I saw this shit while I was at work. Look at the person who committed that code too. Made me glad we use fucking docker containers for everything, if the filesystem breaks you just kill the container and fire up a new one.