I am an anarchist. Convince me to become a Marxist-Leninist

thanks for this constructive and detailed explanation user

"muh discipline" is not a flaw

You can't "convince" someone through a wall of text, over the internet, about how this or that praxis has better theory, is more practical, accomplishes what they are set to.

You need to experience it in real life.

Politics are not done virtually; you must engage yourself with the political world, be it joining a Leninist organization, a Marxist-Leninist party, or an anarchist org. By seeing what their proposals or methods are, as they are laid out within their organization structures; otherwise, you'll just preclude yourself from engaging "real life" to argue about which is better or worse.

And I say this as a Lelninist, who engaged with various leftist organizations just to become even more disillusioned with everything in the current political spectrum.

sorry if my english is bad, rip

Idunno. Luxemburgism?

Become a council communist instead.

Anything left of Lenin.

nearly all M-L music is folk, including the song he linked.
even if it wasn't. everyone needs music set to a walking beat. everyone needs to walk places man.

I didn't mean it as a value judgement, just an observation.

Left communism is very diverse and there are a lot of tendencies outside of it and Trotskyism.

m.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/4xum3y/iama_survivor_of_stalins_dictatorship_and_im_back/d6ilyio

TLDR: A survivor of the USSR, of Stalins regime is asked what he thinks about Tankies.
He isn't amused.
r/ShitLiberalsSay is having a meltdown.

Op, stay being an anarchist.
It's more ethical and intelligent.

Jfc

Of course the anarcho-babies would eat up this western imperialist propaganda garbage. Remind me how you guys aren't tools to the neoliberal capitalists again?

Not in fully automated luxury communism u luddite 20th century LARPer

Hahaha
I love how sheltered, western children think that a poor old mans personal account of the horrors of living under a shitty Stalin regime is "western imperialist propoganda".

Go fuck your self for attacking that poor old man, because you can't accept that the USSR was shit.

All socialist movements committed atrocities. Tankies and anarkiddies.

He's not even educated enough to make the distinction between ML and the various other types of communism.

I'm no tankie, but if it weren't for the USSR we would all be speaking German right now. So unless you're a Nazi(in which case, you're worse than any tankie) you should shut the fuck up.

25% of the population died in the English civil war, does that mean we should've just stuck with feudalism instead of trying to progress?

War stories are always anecdotal. Tankies did fuck shit up, but who doesn't?

this is sounding dangerously close to nazis and their "ends justify the means" memes

careful

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Who gives a shit? Capitalcucks wouldn't hesitate to string you up, might as well do it to them first.

It's true though. What do you expect? This isn't some fairyland.

This. That's exactly what I mean.

ITT: Salty M-Ls and M-L apologists

I love how salty ML's are about people criticizing and rightfully attacking the USSR.
I'm glad the USSR will never come true.

But tankies definitely think the ends justify the means behind their pragmatism.

If you criticize anything having to do with the USSR they call you a liberal and they emphasize on focusing its accomplishments when they don't do the same shit to the anarkiddies and their shit.

Either way, all I see are failures, so who gives a shit? Fucking larpers. We don't need another fucking ML state or any irrelevant small anarchist region.

Really makes you think…

sage

Why would you want to downgrade?

Really makes you think…

Daily reminder that Democratic Confederalism is the future.

Read Apo

Because you can't fully protect against counterrevolution or foreign invasion without a state. The CNT-FAI and the Free Territory were Anarchist at the begining, but realized they had to resort to statist methods like conscription and concentration camps if they wanted a chance at winning. It's unpleasant, but you can't realiztically safeguard the revolution without measures like these.

Not to mention you get to enjoy the neat Soviet aesthetics and music that the cool kids are into.

Ukraine only employed "conscription" because the whites treated conscripts better as prisoners of war. They were only conscripts in name. The "secret police" was an organization outside of Makhno's control, and in fact came into conflict with him at times.

"whites"
Why are you bring up race to this?

can't marxist leninists and anarchists get along ?

most of you anarchists are pretty cool

I know many people who lived under Stalin who were fine. They all said he got shit done and increased living standards for all.

Whites as in the White Army.

Please stop

It's all anecdotal. It just depends on the family experiences.

White's as in White Army you fool

Yes, this man isn't a puppet at all :^) I guess I should not deny muh lived experience

kekerooni

I wonder if Tankies realize that Zizek has criticized the USSR and said its a sucidal regime?

Pure ideology on Zizek's part. Sad!

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Who gives a shit, zizek is a reactionary.

Of course. There was a revolution where a quarter of the population died and we put a tyrant in place. Doesn't mean we should've given up on parliamentary control instead of the kings tyranny.

worst part
this post probably wasnt stated ironically

YES

Anarchists listen to shit punk

Marxists-Leninist listen to SUPERIOR MARTIAL INDUSTRIAL

If your ideology can change over arguing with people over the internet, youre not worth convincing

Trotsky was a moron

become a fascist, you're all fascists either way
you kids are worse than Holla Forums, at least they admit it

lol butthurt

Back to your >>>/bunker/

marxism-leninism was a mistake it's nothing but trash

Where is the kekalonia webm when you need it?

My problem with Marxists in general is the cult of personality that happens, being it Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Trotsky you name it. That excuse all their flaws and paint them as infallible theorists/leaders.

It honestly doesn't matter to me, I'll go aboard first revolution that happens, despite ideological differences. I just prefer anarchism because I can construct my own like a subway sandwich and the taste is great.

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econfaculty.gmu.edu/bcaplan/spain.htm

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If you can dig through all the delusional market cultism some of Caplan's articles are actually unmistakably favorable to Marxism-Leninism.

econlog.econlib.org/archives/2006/03/the_socialist_c.html

econlog.econlib.org/archives/2015/03/the_prevalence_1.html

wtf I love Stalin now?!

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Become a bordigist instead

anarchists also have GY!BE

Why would you want to belong to completely outdated nationalist movement?

And then you can move on from that to Theorié Communiste.

lel tankiddies.

they did one good thing theirfore they are above critism