Anarchopac made a video a while ago dealing with what he saw as common Marxist inaccuracies of anarchism...

Anarchopac made a video a while ago dealing with what he saw as common Marxist inaccuracies of anarchism. Have you seen this Holla Forums? What are your thoughts?

Link:youtube.com/watch?v=T_FsWc0jdwg

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I feel like we've had this thread before.

Really? I don't recall it.

Nah we already had this thread :^)

I only had time to watch the first ten mins, but I think that while the guy he is replying to was using hyperbole and was merely talking about what kind of thought the anarchist position can lead to, he is more accurate to be replying to stalinists on Holla Forums who have no care for anarchism at all.

To be honest I've always seen anarchism as Marxism with a few changes here and there (important ones, mind you) rather than idealism incarnate.

Yeah, and anarchists have theory and everything, but if you want to dive deeper into it, you're better off avoiding casual anarchists because they tend to not know their own theory.

also, Anarchopac is the only good (not simple) anarchist I know on YouTube.

I wish these threads on leftist theory, history and leftist current events would stay up instead of Holla Forumsack and social liberal garbage

It is not the anarchist /conception/ of the state Marxists find excellent (it is fundamentally largely similar); it is their /attitude/ of lacking realistic praxis or honesty about an alternative to it that irks us. Whomever the demagogue in that video was, they are misrepresenting Marxist rhetoric with their shoddy pedagogy.

More specifically, Marxists instead ask the following question about the state (with the honest assumption that anarchists truly want to both abolish state and the economic practice of private capital accumulation): is the state the means for bourgeois power, or is the state a manifestation of bourgeois power and thus a tool for it?

This is then logically followed with the following question: is the state primarily power or a consolidation for power? In any and all circumstances, Marxists pick the latter two answers, which leads them to view the state as a tool. A double-edged tool with all the potential consequences thereof (totality, cult, reification, etc.), but nonetheless a tool. To, in the face of a bourgeoisie that considers the state a tool just like any other, not use the state is a matter of making things harder than they thus already are. To reiterate: if it is not the agency of the bourgeoisie that presupposes the use of the state for its machinic function of capital accumulation, then what is? Is any and all interaction with the state an invitation to become bourgeois, if the state itself comes forth from a need of power, and is not born to accomodate the creation of a need? Is the conception of the state as such then not fundamentally rooted in some at least slightly idealist thinking, where B can precede the A that requires B? How far can we distance ourselves from taking any kind of power in fear of its misuse before we are forced to and how many more documented examples of persuaded anarchists turning to power precisely in the form of a state (often even in their own words a literal one[1]) out of necessity[2]?

Marxists thus do not abandon the state out of fear of regression like a man would refuse to use a firearm out of fear of shooting the wrong target. Instead, they (the ones not stuck in defending their Soviet nostalgia, Anarcho-Buyer's Remorsism, 'third' way gradualism, etc.) fully acknowledge the innate workings of the state and its potential consequences and wish not to simply try again, but think again. Marxist conceptions of class dynamics must be reinvented in the now very different 21st century, use of state power must be questioned or even the design of the party form and its inner workings, etc.

1: isreview.org/issues/53/makhno.shtml
2: libcom.org/files/WorkersAgainstWork-Seidman_0.pdf