Welfare State < Social Democracy < Democratic Socialism(briefly) < Market Socialism < Libertarian-Socialism < Communism
This seems to be true so far, any Leninist crap will fail because centrally planned states are shittier than the Welfare State by many accounts.
Given all goes according to plan, we should be seeing the very beginnings of Market Socialism before we die. We should also be seeing worker cooperatives successfully starting to out-compete capitalist hierarchies, with a little help from the state. Such as outlawing corporate welfare, providing tax breaks to individuals who participate in co-ops, mandating that banks give co-ops loans, etc. We might also be seeing Nationalization of extra utilities, such as housing, internet, and food. This seems pretty realistic to me, thoughts?
Tyler Adams
lol
Chase Peterson
People don't start if you put enough tax money into welfare, simple logic.
Whereas the USSR had rampant famines.
Xavier Flores
starve****
John Harris
Read a book.
Justin Scott
thats my LARP fantasy at least
Wyatt Taylor
Not an argument, tankie.
Liam Campbell
By organizing the proletariat into a communist party, immediately abolishing private property, and jailing/shooting people like you who interfere.
Logan Murphy
What famine are you specifically talking about? Muh 40 Gorillian Ukrainians? Are you aware what kind of famines Russia had prior to 1917? You know the infamous breadlines didn't exist before Khrushchev revisionism?
Also, you just can't implement welfare as it would render the contradictions of capitalism meaningless. Since you act incredibly autistic, I give you a simple example: The Scandinavian countries have massive welfare programs because they profit from capitalist exploitation (and some oil). They produce nothing themselves. Walk through the pedestrian precinct of Oslo, you will see lots of H&Ms. I guess you are aware why they are so cheap?
You can't just have a massive tax allocation system with a massive welfare state in a potentially self-sustaining country like the US as long as a profit-driven economy still exists without eventually crashing the economy.
Parker Robinson
>Welfare State < Social Democracy < Democratic Socialism(briefly) < Market Socialism < Libertarian-Socialism < Communism
Ecks Dee
Ian Roberts
How do commies win when almost all legal gun owners are right wing, almost all left wing gun owners are niggers and spics, and almost all of the US military are rural conservatives who hate leftists on basic cultural principle?
You'd get massacred.
Grayson Bell
probably more along the lines of
neoliberal capitalism
Logan Jones
Posadism
Hudson Phillips
International economy will collapse Widespread unemployment and homelessness Governments, after cutting corporate taxes and high end income taxes, will have fuck all revenue left, will make huge spending cuts to welfare system. Joblessness will lead to further scarcities of necessities Lack of support from the state and inability to make an income to support themselves will lead to violence in the streets. State will crack down heavily with force, leading to conditions in many countries that we see in places like Syria. Governments will grow more corrupt in these conditions due to a lack of accountability. Eventually smaller societies will form that attempt to me more self sufficient. It will be a long road with a lot of suffering along the way. I don't see demanding revolution now as viable. Many people, even exploited ones, are content not to be in immediate danger. The system will fall in on itself eventually though and there will be no turning back.
Jacob Nguyen
You're on the right track.
Force every kid to move to "sustainable" urban "green spaces" to become a highly-educated highly-competent workers. This guarantees that they will perform "survival" jobs like selling drugs, deal to gamblers or perform sex work. Communism, then, will not be far away.
Camden Hernandez
The bourgeoisie will promote luxury communism once robots take their jobs and the only monied people are the aristocratic few who inherit their parents' stock options
Nolan Lopez
>Democratic Socialism(briefly) < Market Socialism explain this
Angel Martin
unfortunately I can't envision any 3-way war in we which do NOT end up in last place
Jacob Kelly
or
Cameron Gonzalez
they won't call it socialism of course
Camden Hall
Never, america is so classcucked that it will never be socialism, this is why the world will destroy itself and only the aliens can save us
Thomas Edwards
please no
Connor Ward
I think we'll skip to market socialism and then just wait until we have the tech to go FALC
Colton Edwards
enhanced democracy
Aaron Myers
This guy knows.
Dylan Young
So according to this thread the two choices seem to be "work towards achievable goals" and "engage in pointless self destructive bullshit".
Jaxson Perry
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Anthony Lee
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Luke Walker
real great site
Parker Rivera
You deserve it. Since communists prefer to defend the evils of the USSR, Maos cultural revolution, you deserve to never get your revolution and watch as fascists rise to power.
I have no faith in the Left. Even if Hitler was resurrected and facism riding to even more power than World War 2, you'd still keep pissing away any chance for communism happening because of 1) ideological purity, 2) stupid tankies defending the USSR, 3) Idpol.
Andrew Bennett
You deserve it. Since communists prefer to defend the evils of the USSR, Maos cultural revolution, you deserve to never get your revolution and watch as fascists rise to power.
I have no faith in the Left. Even if Hitler was resurrected and facism riding to even more power than World War 2, you'd still keep pissing away any chance for communism happening because of 1) ideological purity, 2) stupid tankies defending the USSR, 3) Idpol.
Justin Perez
It won't. Ever. The entire world will be destroyed before murricans acquire real class consciousness.
Noah Bell
why are the boneflagposters always the most retarded? are we being raided by /r/liberal?
Leo Gomez
Third worldist revolution after the next couple of bubbles burst. We should start placing bets on whether auto loans or student debt will JUST the American economy worse and/or first.
Nathan Peterson
wew. More likely that Dark Enlightenment, Landian style totalitarian capitalism will step in to mitigate the contradictions of capital and either lead to the destruction of the human race entirely or leave the ruled permanently subjugated to the rulers through the use of repressive state apparatuses and genetic modification to make the workers unable to ever revolt - if indeed they aren't wiped out entirely and the only remaining humans are the bourgeoise and their armies of robot workers.