Religions are politics

Religions are actually politics
Just that the political facts are obscured for the unenlightened viewer. Yes, facts, there is just one true way to attain a peace within a community, just that different people use different words and thus different problems are touched. And because not many people can interpret those words, the false, godless ideologies currently corrupt the world.

As in the world of politics, there are various ideologies. We learned not to label ourselves as eg. libertarian, ancap, ancom, so we can have a fruitful discussion about the truth of a human nature. Do note, that all those ideologies use the same reasons to exist. Why do we keep labeling ourselves as protestants, kekists, muslims, etc.? All those religions bring some aspect of truth about God, despite minor differences, they all describe the same world, so none is superior. They even describe the same entities. The labels can't have a fruitful fight, the ideas can. Don't listen to people who try to divide, they do that, so they can't lose power.

Why don't we talk much about the Asian philosophies? They are also a very important aspect of the humanity. The world is so diverse, that we shouldn't assume, that only a chosen part of humanity is right. What's more, by depriving ourselves of some people's ideology, we lose understanding of other cultures, so we can't grasp what our universe is about. We don't get to know how some people think and maybe even the worst-of-the-worst know some truth that we are missing. Think: the world is a big experiment and everyone does their part, to learn about its nature, but we dismiss other people's findings, because they are not us, and because they are worse humans in our opinion (and we base that opinion on an innate fear of the foreignness).

tl;dr: If I say I'm an Orthodox Christian, I alienate people who are of different denominations. If I tell a sacred truth, I enrich everyone, especially those who are not Orthodox Christians, who probably already know that truth.

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You made thread with these same images a few weeks ago and nobody cared. Stop shitting up the board. I'm a sage btw, kek.

That's not true

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It was at this point that I knew you were a kike. If you say you are an Orthodox Christian you do not alienate other people, you establish that you believe something other than what they believe, and if you are an adult you will still consider what they have to say with a grain of salt.

Truth as a meme has an evolutionary advantage over lies, and as long as (((people))) do not apply selective breeding to the idea gene pool it will prevail. You claim to seek truth when all you're doing is attacking labels people identify with. This is what jews do to destroy identity of the white race.

Well, I didn't attack identities as such, I attacked labels, that's different. You try to label me as a kike, and that isn't true, on the contrary, I actually attacked kikes with the part you cited. On this board though, it's the labels that cause unfruitful fights, and what are labels if not fixed sets of beliefs? Why restrict ourselves to one fixed set, when most certainly, the set isn't complete and will never be? What is more, I would argue, that shills know that and use that knowledge to stir discord and division. I suggest a countermeasure to that kind of attack.

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Lables are an expression of someones view on someone
Your D&C bullshit fits the stereotype of something a Jew would do
We don't go hurr durr you're a kike for no good reason

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I've noticed an effort recently on here to pit (((atheists))) and Nordic Pagans against Christianity and to spread illiterate Jewish history as though the last 2000 year had nothing to do with religion or Christianity.

Its coming from mostly Holla Forums but from other places too. Like the promotion of Varg who burns only Western churches but never those of non-western faiths or tying atheism with paganism and Jewish style rituals.

Pointing out the corrupted truth is good, but what I'm saying, is that various people with a goodwill can actually agree on many topics, but once labels are posted, we start to needlessly fight. And we are on an anonymous board. We don't post our names or nicknames for a reason. By extension, why should we post names of our groups (beliefs, politics)?

I noted the "kike" part, because the "chosen people" is one of the most harmful memes. I pointed that meme out and I got called a kike. And I know, that most of the harmful jewish views are based on that meme. If they are chosen, then they are to rule the world and use the rest as a cattle. Christians also adopted that meme, but in a much less harmful way, yet still it caused divisions among the church. Aren't we all chosen, actually? Why do the so called chosen people actually act as parasites and see nothing wrong with that?

I don't assert that I'm right, I'm just a human. I know, that a lot of truth had been corrupted, and now it's really hard to get it back on the right track. On this board, though, I learned that even a shill can bring wisdom, but sometimes you have to negate his meaning. The worst you can do is to dismiss the whole message based on a fact, that someone called a poster a shill. Sometimes that's used for the selective breeding of ideas that posted about.


As you noted quite well, atheism is an artificial invention. I never attacked the Pagans in my posts though.

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On the contrary, I think that Christians and Pagans can have a lot of things in common and should talk with each other, instead of engaging in label-based fights. Why should we care if the main God is named Zeus, Thor, Jesus, Yahweh or Allah? Why should we care if we call the other gods gods, angels, demons, or djins? Is it enough to justify hatred and kills? Or maybe the divisions are made, so that there are reasons for religious wars, so rulers can earn on that?

I, for one, fight slavery, both in an overt and a covert form. I fight greed. And I believe in remorse, because some people do wrong, thinking they do good. Those are my reasons.

The varying images of those archetypes take on cultural meaning within an ethnic tradition and thereby racialist values become fused with the spirituality of that tradition. Just because the root of all religions is the immortal truth does not mean that the distinctions between the expressions of that truth are not meaningful reflections of differences in character between ethnic groups.

Religions and politics are actually culture, and culture has an ethnic basis (or else is obliterated by universalist sentiment). In short, the closer you want to get to the truth, the closer you have to move toward racialist spirituality based on your incarnate form. After all, our incarnations are representative of a genuine arising will, and therefore the forms in which we arise have meaning.

TL;DR Cuckstians are spiritual race traitors, and from this their entire existence is corrupted. You can't crawl back into the good graces of Europeans by trying to appeal to the existence of a higher truth, especially when the Cuckstian tradition is so divorced from that truth due to its Semitic origin. The absolute base problem is that you cannot worship a member of a foreign race, participate in a foreign tradition, and glorify foreign values while remaining anything other than a slave to that foreign influence. Labels have their important, that's why we call you Christcucks.

I never pictured myself as a magician before. And while I don't care for asian religions, I agree with your point of speaking the truth without the background.

On an unrelated note because I'm drinking, "It occurs to me that the man and his religion are one and the same thing. The unknown exists. Each man projects on the blankness the shape of his own particular world-view. He endows his creation with his personal volitions and attitudes. The religious man stating his case is in essence explaining himself. When a fanatic is contradicted he feels a threat to his own existence; he reacts violently.”

you've already succeeded could you move on to phase 3?

Each individual must become phase 3

You are right, that the genetics play a crucial role in the culture development, we are still quite close to one another between races. We still share archetypes, we still have a lot of genes and history in common and Christianity was the religion of the white people for about 1800 years now, so rooting out Christianity would root out quite much of our culture. The values behind Christianity are also universal. The Christian _culture_ is mostly white, based on Pagan traditions. Should we, as the white people, come back to pure Paganism? I don't see a problem with that, certainly we should learn about our primordial culture, but denying Christianity altogether seems like a step back, we should at least extract its wisdom.

Please do note, that Christ was a person, who created NT in opposition to jewish Talmud. He was a very talented magician and politician, who knew already at that time, that Talmud is going to bring destruction, so he countered those memes with his own memes, which ought to reform the jewish society and in extension, the whole humanity.

Please also do note, that Ashkenazim aren't really jewish in origin, they are Khazars, who got converted to Judaism.

Also, food for thought: see how African Christianity looks like, you'd be surprised how different it is, just because the people are different.

Disclaimer: I'm not necessarily a Christian. I came thru many systems, just recently I found, that Christianity isn't harmful, just that the current interpretation, especially in Catholic denomination, may be corrupted.

Cuckstianity has no wisdom which is not directly taken from pagan traditions. The true identity of Cuckstianity is as a Semitic religion. The Israelites were not Europeans. Yeshua was not White. If you are of European descent, it is spiritual treason to worship a member of another race.

Cuckstianity is directly responsible for the subversion of European ethnostates by Semitic hegemony. There would be no Jews controlling our countries if not for the race traitors who allowed them in, the Cuckstians. The history of the degeneration of European nations perfectly illustrates exactly why Cuckstianity is harmful beyond all reason to tolerate.

It is possible to love Jesus Christ, but hate Christianity. In fact, if you love Christ, it would be a requirement to hate the theological system built upon a corruption of his teachings. Abrahamism is cancer, and Jesus' message was antithesis to the lies of the Jews.

Love muad'dib, hate the qizarate, disregard the fremen, thanks

Well, saying that only white people can create wisdom, is a bit of overstatement. Also, if it wasn't for Christianity, we would be cucked much harder than we are now – it's not a secret that kikes hate Christianity with passion and they do it for a reason. If we didn't have Jesus' meme magic, we would have much harder time competing with Jewish meme magic. In a kind, Jesus was a traitor of his own race, that's why he was crucified, but he was a hero of the humanity.

Reported. Kill yourself.

Reminder to report everyone that says what he said. He’s an intl shill.

reminder to report anyone who get's assmad over their jew god not really, the mods probably have enough drama and peace this day cousin

Did I say that yet?

No. We weren't fucking barbarians with no culture or civilization. European civilization has a 30,000+ year history; Semites didn't even advance beyond nomadic savagery until being handed knowledge of agriculture 9,000 years ago by Aryan invaders. We don't need some foreign tradition to be complete, almost every tradition alive today owes its origin to the pre-Younger Dryas European proto-civilization.

Europe had Cuckstianity and is to this day under the dominance of Semites. It is utterly ridiculous for you to say we would be worse off without it when our own culture is so much stronger that Cuckstianity had to adapt in order to subvert. It is cucks able to rationalize the worship of a foreigner who are responsible for the curse of modernity. All Christcucks are race traitors.

I think you meant that with your message. And I don't agree, I'd for example say, that Kaballah system is ingenious, or even divine. And it's a part of OT.

If it was, it wouldn't be "subverted" with Christianity in the first place.

No. The curse of modernity is different. It's abandonment of spirituality in my opinion and yes, Christian churches do have their part in that, but that's not because of Christ. The modern Christians don't even know, that their faith is actually atheist, despite them going to churches every Sunday.

Back to the main topic, I claimed that Jesus was a politician.

I come from libertarian, even anarchist backgrounds. I noticed, that the libertarian, or for the extension, ancap system, is a perfectly valid and just system, especially with concepts such as NAP (non-aggression principle), opposition to slavery and minimal government. The main argument against those ideologies is that they are quite cold. We live in a jungle, we can get killed anytime, and no state to help us, when we fall. When we get old, we get no pension (we pay no taxes for that). If the family abandons us while we are young, we are fucked. If we happen to fail, for example due to drug addiction, well, the most probable result is death.

Well, who answers those problem? Of course, left! Except that left puts those things as duties of a government. Now, what's more spiritless than the government, which is constrained by the rules a lot and the only way it can help is by giving money or creating regulations.

Except that we forgot, that it was Karl Marx the Kike and his followers who put those duties in hands of the government. Jesus was his opponent, he put those things in hands of family, society and he proposed a universal 10% tax. Jesus' society was about altruism, helping each person with what they actually need, but no more.

I'd say, both of them were leftist. Both of them believed in Communism, but they had totally different ways to attain that. We now know, that Marx' methods brought us universal slavery, removing altruism, because the state would be responsible for that. They loosened the family bonds by introducing the pension system. In theory, that should work, but in practice everyone cheats on the system, just because it's immoral, unjust and it's impossible to be competitive on the market when following all those rules. This system doesn't work, because if it did, then the kikes in Israel would use it and the elites wouldn't evade it.

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Jesus' Communism, on the other hand, was to be implemented on top of a libertarian society. He taught about empathy and sympathy, implementing all those rules into the proper places in society, the natural way. And it worked, provided that people excluded bad behaving actors from the system and preserved their faith. I'd even dare to say, that Jesus proposed a National Socialist system, but instead of catering to just one nation, he wanted to foster a collaboration between them and he taught people to forgive. He despised the jewish group mentality.

In general, Marx subverted what Jesus taught about, by introducing a state actor between every pair of people, effectively lessening their bonds. Jesus wanted nothing in return, while in Marx' system, officially it was done with proletariat in mind, while actually the system profited the elites. Jesus didn't exclude anyone, be it rich, poor, a corporation or a sole trader. Marx forced people to change, to become equal by confiscation. Jesus just wanted to teach people to behave properly, he taught them to help the fellow people get on his level. Yes, effectively following his rules would make you a god yourself, on Earth.

I think it would be great if people recognized their duty to help other people in need, the best way they can. Most of the time, it requires no money, even a good word may help. Sometimes, it's enough to just share your wisdom. If all the people were true Christians, we would have a paradise on Earth. Of course, that's not really possible, we have more religions and inducing another war or crusade isn't a way to go. Christians should convert people by JUST showing a good example, not forcing them, like Marx would suggest.

Unfortunately, the current system already forces you to give up even as much as 40% of your earnings, forces you to abide by its rules and threatens you with (((media))) and other means of propaganda. Yes, that's also what atheism is about. There's no god, so you need to trust the state. TV shows show you examples, what happens if you misbehave (it shows you, that the state has more power on you that it actually has). And it's really hard to perceive, that actually the system is a pure pathology, because everyone submits to it, no one remembers the times, when the system didn't exist and there's no alternative. Well, there is, the Marxist system can be destroyed and it's actually possible to evade it, for example by going off the grid.

So, in a world of many religions, many countries and many ideologies, we need to learn to talk. We forgot how to. In my opinion, the first step would be to drop labels if possible and discuss the pure ideas. Jesus wouldn't just "gas the kikes", but allow them to repent, and if not, contain them. Thanks to the invention of the Internet, we may do instant talks with people all around the world. Thanks to places like Holla Forums, we can have a place, where normal people suggest the politicians what to do and propagate the truth.

Golden times ahead if we don't get subverted and there's very much at stake. Want to "subvert" the left, so that it doesn't make problems in the society? Show them Jesus as an example. Tell them, to give their own money, not force everyone to pay. Some people, even if rich, may be in a greater need than an "oppressed feminist" or "a person of color".

I wanted to embed Yuri Bezmenov's speech on subversion, but the file already exists: . So I attach images, which quite accurately summarize his speech.

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No OP, within Western civilization the focus is on politics first and religion, philosophy, science, etc… second.

If you inject politics into religion, your scheme will inevitably fail.

No shit.
Which is why we Aryans need to let go of Christianity and found a religion focused on putting race first before everything else. Christianity is inherently anti-white because its globalist and accepts all races.

I hate to say it, but not an argument
I don't see a problem needing answering. It is reality. The state or jesus don't change that. It is not fair. It can never be made fair. All you ever will have are your family, maybe, and your community, tribe, friends, or the generosity of strangers, perhaps. Plan accordingly.

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My favorite definition of politics has always been the stench that comes from a dying religion

Anglin had the right idea of banning any religious discussions on his forums, fuck this shit

Then maybe you should leave here, and go there.

The fundamental premise of religion is that there are unseen powers in the world that are responsible for what occurs within it. This hypothesis introduces the presupposition that there are exceptions to materialistic or physical causality. Hidden spiritual agencies are held to be responsible for what occurs in nature.

Such magical thinking is the natural state of prelogical cultures. In seeking to explain natural phenomena whose causal mechanisms were not apparent, ancient peoples attributed them to animistic causes, theorizing that other animals and even material objects possess an inner consciousness just as humans do, separable from the body, which effects causality in the physical world.

Ignorant of the activity of bacteria and viruses, they held disease to be the work of malign spirits. Unaware of plate tectonics, primitives believed volcanic eruptions and earthquakes were the results of the mood swings of noncorporeal entities. The list goes on and on, of false conclusions reached by this method of inquiry.

Then came science, and causality is no longer occult. Religion fails today because its core dogma is, in a word, false. The superstitious primitives who came before us were dead wrong: we do not live on a planet controlled by invisible spirits. There are no supernatural entities (endowed with petty human emotions, no less) obsessed with the comings and goings of human beings or having the power to allow us to live after we die

Yet religion will always be with us. Religion’s stories of ancient holy men and gods who intercede in the human realm are very powerful. These stories reflect deep-seated symbols and expectations about how the world works, about the limits of the human condition and how they may be transcended. At the same time they forge the cultural and communal identities that are so important to human emotional well being.

“To abolish religion as the illusory happiness of the people is to demand their real happiness. The demand to give up illusions about the existing affairs is the demand to give up a state of affairs that needs illusions. The criticism of religion is therefore in embryo the criticism of the vale of tears, the halo of which is religion.”

I can't see anything wrong with people forming organizations for the purpose of providing answers to some of the problems that afflict society; however, it's clear to me that placing each of these under the direct supervision and control of the state was a mistake. Such organizations cannot function properly if they are allowed to become entangled in the morass of politics and profit. Such organizations require strong willed men who are dedicated to an abstract principle associated with the social service they provide.

Politics is downstream from culture (a large part of which is influenced by religion). shit thread op, I summarized in one sentence.

And you've introduced the presupposition that there exists materialistic or physical causality.

People do not experience reality directly, but through their perceptions. You are not actually perceiving the chair you're sitting upon, but, more accurately, you are perceiving the sensation of sitting upon a chair. You do not see the computer screen, only an image of a computer screen. This is an important thing to distinguish when we start talking about reality, because it immediately confronts us with the fact that, even if there is an objective reality, we can never be said to possess true knowledge of it. To use the words of Socrates, "I know that I know nothing."

Obviously, this is a pretty heady thing, and it's not applicable to daily life. If you feel a sensation, whether it's hunger, pain, or something altogether different, you're probably going to run with it. You're experiencing it makes it real. Furthermore, the experiences we have conform to certain patterns. There's a sense of continuity, where events experienced in the past appear to predict or cause later events. The scientific method is a means by which people may test the rules by which these events unfold; science does not allow us to glimpse objective reality, nor can it.

just hear about jainism OP?

Actually, calling someone a kike is, by definition, the LACK of a reason. You can't even prove if they are. I can, however, call you CANCER, and cite your shitty post as a reason why.
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It's time for Whites to get the fuck out of Christ Insanity and take charge of their own beliefs, for fuck's sake. Would you rather grovel at the feet of a man who grovels at the feet of niggers? YOU ARE THE SLAVE OF A SLAVE. That is entirely Schlomo's fingerprint, not unlike how taxation in the US works. Fuck slave ideologies. Only a pansy would be intimidated by the task before us. As a man, I glory in the challenge. I will reconstruct something viable for once and do my part for our race. We WILL have viable religion again, and it will be because of real Odinists, and patriots of other European tribes that reconstruct theirs. The victories of our people are not due to cowardice, nor are they due to weak attachments to kosher comfort zones.
Literally no one gives a fuck if ten sad sacks on a commie board thought they were going to Ebin Raid this place. The primary fault lies with those here who gave them a weak avenue they could attack from. If any of you understood how to fight, you would have been judging yourself for showing your ass to the enemy. Don't worry, though–the adults will fix it, as always. We need religions for ADULTS. Why do you think so many shitskins converted to Christ Insanity in the first place? If it were anything real, they wouldn't even be able to comprehend it, let alone "convert." Conversion is a joke concept anyway. It's either the truth or it's not. Heil and 14/88, may our anons all understand soon.

Denouncement without an alternative is childish. Unless you can deliver a concrete and viable alternative to the greatest religion to grace mankind than I'll just assume you're leftpol larping for d/c purposes. Kikes hate Christianity and Christianity gave us the greatest centuries of European History. That is enough for me to believe it's viable and needs reforming rather than being thrown out. Only commies and jews seriously advocate getting rid of Christianity. That is until you provide a REAL alternative.

Lel what am I looking at?
Badly pasted blacksun with paintpixel frame that wasnt cleaned up in a tropical forest with translucent european imagery slapped in it.

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The Renaissance was built on the shoulders of ancient philosophies and arts. The Hermetic quest for knowledge and oneness with God inspired countless European thinkers across all those centuries. The colonization of the world outside Europe directly parallels the Greek colonization of the Black and Mediterranean seas. How much great literature is built upon the memes established by those men who trolled marble forums? Our movies and our politics abide by the very same, age old principles.

Christianity gave Europe strict dogma and infallible priests.

LARPagans embrace multiculturalism, except when it concerns Christ. They might as well be kikes themselves. Better to annihilate them, as they are insignificant, disruptive, and false.

Haven't you noticed yet that the world isn't welded together well at the edges?


Smart stuff.

Nigger what are you smoking? I guess all pre-Christian Europeans were Jews in your desert demon-addled mind.

In case anyone with a brain reads this, go to >>>/cucktianity/
and find out whether it was the Abrahamism that ruins your country's demographics, or the faith of your pre-Christian ancestors.

From a group evolutionary perspective, religion is an evolutionary strategy and thus politics, since it creates and ideology to advance group power and influence.
Monotheism is stronger than polytheism, thats why monotheistic religions rule the world, the more strict the stronger. National Socialism mirrors judaism in many aspects, the worship of race, the messianic mission, the choseness, and so on, and thats why jews hate it with passion, it reminds them of 4th century catholic church.

Sure thing, (((Abraham))). It certainly looks stronger when you ignore sectarian violence and anti-Aryan iconoclasm. Not to mention the fact that your "Strong" Abrahamism is designed to make a people serve its system inverse to the natural order that demands a faith serve the people.

Are you still here OP?


This is important, and ignored here.


On that note of eastern thought, what can we say about men like the Buddha? Or even Jesus for that matter, or to please the pagans the unchronicled druids of centuries past?

The argument of paganism vs christianity that's plastered across this thread is a shame. Both hold important pieces of the truth, same as any other school of religious thought.

In my opinion Buddhism is the thinking that makes actual knowing most accessible, but for everyone it is different. I would very much like to discuss the ideas and leave labels behind.

Standard marxist thrust. Religions begin with mystic experience and later adopt political postures.

Buddhism is garbage. All suffering is bad and nothing has self nature. Those are the 2 primary buddhist theorems and they are mutually exclusive, and so incoherent. Rry Taosim instead, its closer to european thought

Christianity was at one point useful, but the jew has ruined what was once great. To say that Christianity did nothing for Europe is a lie. But in the olden times, Christianity meant a community that was strong, it meant a strong tradition. As soon as Christianity abandoned tradition, that's when it went to shit. The religion of nice and empathy instead of the religion of improvement and discipline. It became another agent of "progress" instead of being the ol' reliable.


Buddha called for the return of Old Frisian ways. The Oera Linda practically sucked off Jessos (their term for Buddha) for how close he got to the ways of Frya. Note, western buddhism is perverted feel-goodism, a new age abomination. Eastern buddhism is just as fucked, the indian yogi's will just straight up bullshit dumb tourists and then fuck the women as part of a "kundalini awakening" (which is real, but the yogis are bullshitting through their teeth). Modern buddhism is a scam, like new age. Any spiritual shit from WW1 on is Jewed as hell.

Reality seems to seep through the seams only when we aren't looking, listening or thinking. In my experience knowing came with years of collecting anomalies and inexplicabilities, and through my life stitching them into some working definition of reality.

Buddhism is best summed up as "simple is best"

If you're interested, focus on that and forget the rest.


I agree 100%. The only way the original knowing becomes accessible in a useful form is to read the texts, and learn from a teacher that you trust, and expects nothing in return.

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here you go friend

then you live in subjectivity and there is no moral standard and you cant judge what culture is betteer

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