Some left-coms and Maoists will say that "the US must be destroyed because it's built on the genocide of the previous inhabitants", but isn't that true of every country?
Japan is built on the genocide of the Ainu. Palestine is built on the subjugation and assimilation of the Caananites.
Naionialty is a spook we take nations and burn them down to achieve the international commune
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Joshua Cruz
Holla Forums should shop "I don't accept that. What is a class? Show me one" into that.
Basically communists denying themselves.
Thomas Cook
Thats odd, I've found that Left-coms are always hostile to National Liberation movements, for example Gilles Dauve's garbage analysis on Rojava.
Owen Cox
There is none. European nations did not get the current ethnic makeup until the folk-movings caused by the invading huns.
Ryan Garcia
Stirnerists are not really that far from spewing "class is a spook" retardation. To them, anything that is not physical does not exist
Jeremiah Sanchez
You know what else is an abstraction?
Ego.
Dominic Russell
Any self-proclaimed Stirnerite that does that clearly doesn't understand what he was trying to get at with the "spook" concept
Ryan Mitchell
I think you should read stirner
Joseph Jenkins
So if you destroy all evidence of previous inhabitants, you are off the hook?
Bentley Hill
It was long ago in the past and whats done is done. But preventing further genocide is always a good thing. The fact that bad things happened in the past mean nothing, not to mention the people alive today aren't responsible for most genocides.
Bentley Martin
Except every single Nation that exists right now was founded on State violence and force, often subjugating other Nations in the process. Class is a concept that is identified in material reality, Marx didn't create class or class relations, he used those concepts to describe real world fenomena. I personally believe Nations might have also started organically, but sooner than recorded history the National ideals were already perverted into a tool to justify violence and oppression.
David Wright
Please show me a class in material reality.
Camden Ward
Economic class is based around ownership. The people that create the products do not own the property they work on, the owners do. Thus we have two antagonistic classes of people. Do you argue that does not reflect material reality?
Angel Taylor
Class struggle, like most of socialist theory is Euro-centric. The socialist concept of "class" is not shared in non-European cultures. The way in which the left tries to shoehorn "class" into their psuedo-moral spewings is proof of the success of white supremacy.
Isaiah Kelly
Obvious b8post is obvious, but I'll bite: how does the system of wage-labour differ in places like India that would justify calling it a different system?
Hunter Ortiz
I never thought I'd see the day socialists were defending colonialism
Liam Foster
what the fuck
guess the fact that he doesn't fetishize women with muh guuns makes the analysis garbage?
Jaxon Price
I've only seen left-coms who criticize Rojava for being allied with the US.
Lincoln Moore
it's not just that. Rojava is allied with the US because of its capitalist nature. We criticize Rojava for precisely this reason; it's just another bourgeois natlib movement with some left-liberal infusion. Boring.
Cooper Cook
It seems like it depends on three things. Of course all nations have subjugated others, but what seems to cause people to apply the term "settler-colonial" to a country are these factors
For example Cuba doesn't get the settler colonial designation because it's indigenous people don't exist anymore, but Canada does because it's indigenous people not only exist, but are still being treated extremely poorly.
Caleb Lee
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Camden James
capital can organize itself in various forms, one form is "autonomous communes". Whatever suits capital the best at the moment. What's important is that the law of value is still operating and Rojava isn't working towards its dismantlement. Making capitalism more horizontal doesn't abolish capitalism. But I don't expect a Titoite to understand this.
You can work with a capitalist without you, yourself being capitalist
Chase Lewis
Right, but I'd argue that Native American genocide is also in the past
Angel Kelly
Nigger if there's one good thing about leftcoms, it's that they're consistently against nationalism and bullshit like "self determination". Agree with your post otherwise. Nationalism is always cancerous and ALWAYS reactionary. Fuck "communists" who felate nationalism just because the nation is currently oppressed. A prole in an "oppressed nation" is closer to a prole in an imperialist nation than his national bourgeoisie. This has to be our message. The lack of an internationalist focus is what ruined the communist movement.
Dominic Reyes
It does not because the concept of ownership is a spook in the first place.
In the material reality, you do not "own" anything, you and the society just believe that you do, and that would vanish as soon as society stops being a thing.