Leftypol will defend this

This. We all know that the only worthwhile measure of a country's greatness is its ratio of bunkers to population.

Are you actually comparing a country where people are tortured and murdered for simply trying to leave their country to Jamal having to pay a 100 dollar fine because he had some weed in his pocket while driving a stolen car?

as South Korea demonstrated, if only the North would give in, everything would be peaceful

there is nothing wrong with US military presence in the region and there is nothing wrong with them having a strengthened foothold without the North

yeah. makes sense. why would anyone ever want to defend the north against something that's so much better as an alternative.

after all, the real danger is north korea taking on the world.
finally i can see.

North Korea formally renounced communism decades ago and now endorses ethnic nationalism.

Care to explain, Holla Forums?

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check out the north korean constitution sometime. freedom of religion, speech, and legitimate elections are all guaranteed.

clearly if the nork goverment says it it must be true

are those 2 countries really that much different, considering how the US also tortured potentially innocent people for "counter-terrorism purposes" and lock up people in private gulags?
get the fuck back tbh >>>Holla Forums

wew lad. this board must be satire. im convinced of it now.

are you people for real?

north korea does because lookat those picturesmade by someone who escapedthere!

'It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.'

Like clockwork

no one is saying it doesnt happen. but at the same time one of these countries is literally 1984 tier and the another, well, isnt.

like i can openly profess opinions against the government in america without being thrown into a labor camp and tortured while my family is murdered in front of me. i think we should be able to observe some fairly strong differences between the two

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jesus christ who could have been behind this post?

also,

Porkie invaded my bunker and stole all of my dividendies. Can you run him over, Mr. Tank-man?

and the pollyp is just baiting now, dont bite

I recommend suicide.

It's even got the part with uneducated Asian women all over the place.

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Best Korea is good it's the jews embargoing it.

t. Holla Forumslack

The Kim family are consumerist as fuck. You could argue they love western values more than Holla Forums: at least they watch American sports instead of anime porn

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Purely superficial.

Does Holla Forums actually consider imperial Roman culture to be an example of "western values"? Interesting…especially considering the numerous aspects of it that would be considered degenerate by their standards.

Holla Forums ideology is, ironically enough, an explicit rejection of "Western values"

Do you think they are

A) quantitively comparable
B) qualitively comparable
C) both

Are you seriously defending dusgusting abuses of humans in DPRK simply because the USA does too? Does that really make it OK?

no. our defense for the DPRK ends at anti-imperialism. once the threat of imperialism is gone, the DPRK is just another ethnic fascist state that needs to be physically removed by a tankie x kiddie coalition.

top kek, still needs more communism to be communist, eh?

When are you going to read a book?

inb4 communism = palace economy

Similar for Iran?

Needs a to actually be a? Sounds right, yeah.

biggest commie parties in the world say that DPRK are communists xD I understand that anything short of >>>Your special snowflake idea of gommunism

yes

is congo not true democratic capitalism? is that why its so shit?

Thank you for proving my point.

Our definition isn't "special" by the way. You'd know this shit if you actually read anything about leftism.

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Lol. So, China and DPRK?

What are the "biggest commie parties in the world" and where exactly did they claim that the DPRK was communist?

Also, you understand there's a difference between people being communists and the economic system being structurally communist, right?

We aren't /r/communism or even /marx/ stupid

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The DPRK is a paradise on earth.

have you ever been to either place for more than 3 minutes? theres one DPRK apologist on /marx/ and /r/communism is diverse af

well, I defend it on the basis that alternative is neoliberal marauding of NK
at least they have some kind of sovereignty

NK threads are proof that leftypol will buy into dumb capitalist propaganda about literally anything.

Okay Juche expert, explain to us how Juche isn't anti-Marxist.

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North Korea being so pathetic only makes people think imperialism is a lesser of evils.

juche wasnt meant to be a contribution to marxism-leninism, its meant to be an application of marxism-leninism to north korea.

socialism was only removed briefly, and added again in article 29 and 40 of the 2009 constitution: servat.unibe.ch/icl/kn00000_.html

the constitution of the DPRK never had marxism in it in the first place, as kim il song personally said the existence of a marxist socialist society is impossible as long as imperialism still exists
english.yonhapnews.co.kr/northkorea/2009/09/30/80/0401000000AEN20090930006000325F.HTML

I don't give a shit about their constitution.

I asked how Juche wasn't anti-Marxist.

the juche theory, despite having non-marxist aspects, isnt anti-marxist. it has several marxist aspects to it.
it ensures that the people within a country should be able to exist independently off foreign intervention and be self-reliant.
one of the concepts of the juche theory is the "masses", suggesting there are three components of the general population: peasants, workers and intellectuals, each are equally important and dependent on each other and should not be excluded.
marxism is also not the only form of socialism, a lot of people on this board would agree with that, and as ive mentioned earlier, kim il song said the marxist vision of socialism is impossible under the current world situation, with imperialism still more powerful than ever.

China should invade North Korea.

said wageslave

yes, unlike the 300 million people living under free democratic america, the people of korea are suffering from lack of capitalist exploitation and being able to own the means of production through the state.

To my knowledge, Juche describes itself as a "man-centered ideology" in contrast to historical materialism.

Being an anarkiddie gives me the ability to say North Korea can suck my fucking nutsack, and I refuse to defend it :^)

China should invade North Korea.

You can read the main work on Juche here (www1.korea-np.co.jp/pk/062nd_issue/98092410.htm)

It is a man-centered philosophy as it denies that spirits/gods exist and it bases itself on man's practical activity, ie work in the transformation of the natural world into property. Juche adheres to historical materialism and the idea of classes conflicting, as well as the acceptance of the working class as the revolutionary class. It doesn't deny any of the basic Marxist ideas about technology, class struggle, or "species being" in Marxist thought. The linked text doesn't discuss the theory of "the leader" in depth, unfortunately. "Chajusong" can be roughly translated as the ability to be free and independent, ie the ability to be rational and aware of one's own motives and abilities. You can find that here(minjok.com/bbs/board.php?bo_table=eng_uswd&wr_id=13). The ethnic nationalism charge against Juche is false as the "nationalist in form and socialist in content" ideas of Juche doesn't reject class struggle, it just reorients Korean nationalism (not a biological or racial view) towards the dictatorship of the proletariat. Kim Jong Il explicitly says that national oppression is a contradiction of Juche and Chajusong, making the ideology not a discriminatory nationalism like Nazism. Marxism and Leninism are not rejected but the DPRK thinks that Juche is a higher stage of Marxism and Leninism while preserving the important aspects of both. That's a claim that Stalin made about Leninism and MLM make about themselves today. Personally I don't think it's the greatest philosophy and it focuses way too much on superstructure but it is within the Marxist camp. I hope this post was good and not too incoherent, I'm half asleep so cut me slack please Marx head.

and become its neocolony?
fuck off kindly

the fact that NK causes so much butthurt is already a sign that they doing something right

meant NK becoming Chinas neocolony

the DPRK is moving towards market reforms unfortunately
They still have a right to national sovereignty, anyway

the "X must be right because everyone hates it" fallacy

X might be doing something right becuse capitalists hate it

Capitalists hate a lot of things for varying reasons. That doesn't mean all of those things are beneficial to our cause. The "alt-right" might be a marginalised ideology, but that doesn't make it any less shit.

Source?

Horor of horrors, they might become able to feed their people!

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Sure is /unruhe/ in here.

suck my dick

mad

They were anti imperialist till they starting invading the world themselves and didn't compel to global banking.

Germany was an imperialist nation long before the Nazis. Fascism having an anti-imperialist dimension requires you to be an exploited nation.

let me fix that for you:

I was refering to Nazi Germany not about Germany in general

Except they didn't. This "juche replaced communism" meme is so dumb and so easily debunkable.

ftfy

yes so much butthurt, that they pumped Germany with credit like there's no tomorrow

I've said it once, and I'll say it again. Tankies must be exterminated if anyone is ever going to us seriously ever again.

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actually, i agree with this. as much as ideological puritans love to bash the DPRK for falling for "revisionism", they're doing what they can to survive and keep their people alive.

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Why doesn't it surprise me that tankies and Maoists will defend a dictatorship because "it's not capitalist" and a country with millions of people suffering from a servere famine while it's fat dictator lives in a fucking palace is better than the USA because "hey it's not capitalist".
Are you people really this fucking stupid?

I'm convinced the modern left will never gain support from the working class because tankies would rather support an evil North Korean dictator then confess that living in the USA isn't all that bad.

listen to yourself
you're full of shit

dictatorship of the proletariat
repeat this phrase in your mind

call it state capitalism or whatever (as if US state not bourgeous in nature)

so your solution is to open NK economy to international capital?
If they do it, they will become a neo-colony
NK will be indebted for life to IMF

I have a better proposition
how about capitalist world lift NK embargo?

you gotta be kidding me
It is you retards, who will celebrate invasion of NK

yay, at last NK prols will know what does freedom™ taste like!
liberators, my ass

So you prefer if NK citizens starve then for them to become a capitalist state?
What "dictatorship of the proletariat" are you fucking talking about? The people there are starved, heavily indoctrinated, they think the father of their current leader is a god. Do you realize they still worship him and his son? As I've said before, tankies will defend a dictator, and they don't give a damm how much those people suffer. You would rather let innocent people suffer and allow a fat fuck dictator to remain alive, then to do the right thing and allow that regime to collapse, and yes let the fucking NK people experience capitalism.

I'll celebrate when the dictator is killed.
Do you stupid tankies honestly believe that NK is your "salvation" for "world communist revolution"?
Holy fuck you people are desperate. Desperate enough to fanatically defend a failed state run by a dictator. I'd prefer if China invades NK.

Alberto?

holy shit you can´t make up that level of delusion.

I feel pity for the nuclear meltdown that happened inside your brain…

carnegie.ru/publications/?fa=62647
they're already a capitalist state, but its inevitable since they cant exist without having some capitalist elements. the thing is they deserve a right to their sovereignty, and we need to defend them on an anti-imperialist platform, not a socialist one, since it's well known they're becoming less and less socialist
you might not realize this but the people of the DPRK know all too well they live in a shit condition, just watch any interviews or read anything by ex-DPRK citizens, they know they're living under shit. a US or chinese invasion (like all these anarchists are unironically suggesting here) might be good in the short term, but in the long term, it is best for the people of korea to be able to defend themselves and develop themselves towards socialism.
that depends. i prefer to defend the people and workers of korea, if the dictator isnt acting in their best interest, they should revolt against him. they deserve the form of government they want, like the juche ideology suggested.
liberals really love this board dont they

thats really edgy mate

not him but im pretty sure that guy was shitposting

I prefer for NK to buy food on international market until famine is dealt with

fuck off

First, sort your own shit out
then advice other people on how they need to live their lives

"antiimperialist"

Why?

Can we purge the tankies? It's literally the same as arguing with Nazi faggots.

even if you're a hardcore anarchist, you'd recognize that it is a lot easier to revolt against an isolated independent self-reliant state than it is to revolt against global capitalists with influence all over the world.

Tankies actually do defend NK.
Unconditionally against their fight against US Imperialism as they said.

keep whining

except it isn't
NK is not trying to conquer some lebensraum for their korean chosen race

This place would be so boring without them tbh

I'd support North Korea if they did something useful for our cause. Where are the bunkers? Where is the mass production of nukes?

Until they drop their own nuke somewhere, I'll be calling them revisionists.

Nuclear Winter and Aliens, not personality cult and cleanest race. Praise Enver Posadas

obviously something isn't right just because the US hates it, that's not what's meant
youtube.com/watch?v=V-R9GkhNLrU

you are literally brainwashed

you must be a murifat. No other nationality can be this retarded.

How is someone 'brainwashed' if they don't want to support the hellhole that is NK?

third-worldism shit tier thread