Why the hate on civic nationalists?

I understand Europeans who are ethnic nationalists, but why are there so many Americans that can't connect the fucking dots? The best thing that can be done is a pro-white civic nationalism, I.E something that increases white birth rates and makes America whiter every year, not some sort of meme civil war that results in millions of whites dying and America losing all power.

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Hey there friendo, could you do me a quick favor and kill yourself?

You make that sound like a bad thing

Because civic nationalism does nothing to remove the tens of millions of shitskins in our countries with drastically lower IQ's than us who commit mass rape and murder.

Whites are the only race naive enough to think everyone can see past color and unite as the "human race". Niggers will always advocate for fellow niggers and spics for spics, etc, and once whites become a minority in this country we'll go the way of the Rhodesians and Afrikaners.

Gas yourself faggot.

by then this country will look like Brazil

who made this?

And what exactly is ethnic nationalist solution? Don't give meme answers, are you claiming balkanization is the ideal? Or are you saying civil war, which will result in the deaths of many whites, is the ideal?

The left's previously laid out timeline no longer applies. We get to make a new future.

Killing your gay ass

There we have it, ethnic nationalists (at least in America) have no real solution to the situation we are in. They simply bitch and moan while pro-white civic nationalists actually solve the problems (See Trump)

Its clearly dated

Ethnic Nationalism is for a country composed solely of whites. Civic "Nationalism" allows anyone regardless of their profound racial differences to live together as long as they pledge allegiance to a meaningless flag.

Civic Nationalism fails everywhere it is attempted to because blood transcends all loyalties to trivial things like a constitution or liberal democracy.

wtf is "pro-white civic nationalism" anyway? Either you want niggers in your country or you don't.

civic nationalism is literally a nation of cucks.

You stand with your blood or you get fucked.

Cause it doesnt work, kill yourself

It's really simple


All of these are tangible solutions to making America whiter.


Ethnic nationalists in this thread have yet to offer a true solution to the situation America is in.

Civic nationalism is egalitarian by definition, otherwise it would just be called nationalism

Go to bed brit/pol/

America was founded on white nationalism. White nationalism is by definition civic nationalism for white people only.

Do you really think Niggers, Spics, and Arabs are going to vote for libertarianism/republicanism?

You're playing with semantics. This isn't Civic Nationalism – all White Nationalists support these policies.

Incentivizing abortions for niggers over whites is a wonderful thing but would complete contradict, as puts it,
the egalitarian nature of Civic Nationalism. This would be an explicitly pro-white policy.

lol faggot you don't belong here

It's what this country was founded on you retard. The intention was to only allow whites to become citizens, however, not all whites are of the same ethnicity. Back then Irish, English, French, German et cetera were all considered different ethnicies.

Aren't some spics part European because of Spain?

I can't imagine how huge the popualation of blacks would be if they weren't removing themselves in recrod numbers from our gene pool Can you imagine 15 million more niggers?

Fuck off faggot

yes but the Spaniard blood is wayyy out weighed by the indigenous native blood they mixed with. This is why mexicans are so short and subhuman looking.

Nah

devil's advocate:
-Civic Nationalism is nationalism based on the beliefs of white culture
-Other races don't follow white culture
-Civic Nationalism ends with the same goal as white nationalism, but gets there through a more benevolent means.

Why can't civic nationalism and white nationalism coexist?

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You and your ilk will be treated the way they should have been treated: like fertilizer for the soil

Because they're opposite things and your jewish trickery doesn't work here


Whites are one race, shitskins are oven fodder

Yet they're all Western.

It's a siren song that leads to death that too many people fall for.

Yeah and they let all of those non-Westerners in…oh wait they didn't.

civic nationalism = cuckservatism

Are we being raided?

Yet again, white nationalism is not ethnic nationalism. It's easy to see this, simply ask the various European countries if they want to be under one federal state. That is after all white nationalism.

cuckold

Take a gander at the state of the UK. That is why.

Nationalism is based on a very simple genetic reality.

A nation can only grow out of a racially homogeneous group. Civic nationalism violates this most basic concept, it is therefore not even to be considered nationalism as it is just "uniting under one banner -ism", and highly jewish.

There is only nationalism, and beyond that ethnonationalism.

Now get out shlomo.

Ethnic Nationalism (Finland for Finnish only)
Racial Nationalism (Civic nationalism for X race only, white nationalism)
Global Nationalism (Civic nationalism for everyone, cuckservatism)

It seems most Holla Forumsacks confuse racial nationalism with ethnic nationalism.

It's not working, kike. Everybody knows what ethnic means in the context of ethnic nationalism.

Ethnic nationalism means different things to different people clearly.

Civic nationalism is cuck nationalism.

Let me refine the tiers

Ethnic Nationalism (Finland for Finnish only)
Racial Civic Nationalism (Civic nationalism for X race only, white nationalism (America how founders intended it))
Universal Civic Nationalism (Civic nationalism open for everyone, cuckservatism)
Globalism (we are all one race the human race, open-borders, no nations)

That's where you're wrong, lots of people need to die.

What about the Mexicans?

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ALL FUCKING NIGGERS MUST HANG

GAS THE KIKES RACE WAR NOW

Anyone who is not 100% European must die. Anyone of our white race who opposes this is a traitor to his peoples, his family, his ancestors, his nation, and himself, and must fucking die.

This is not a joke, this is not satire, this is not hyperbole, this is not a game, this is survival. Kill all fucking jews, their pets, and race-traitors.

IF YOU DO NOT ADVOCATE ABSOLUTE EXTERMINATION OF THOSE OUTSIDE OUR RACIAL GROUP YOU ARE AN OUTSIDER, THIS IS BIOLOGY NOT IDEOLOGY, KILL ALL THOSE WHO DENY IT

Everyone is delusional and I'm a silly faggot.

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Hey schlomo.

I hope you laugh all the way to the ovens.

"""racial [civic] nationalism"""

Races are supergroups of a handful of ethnicities.

The """White Race""" is composed of Germans, French, English, Finnish, Polish, Austrian, Western Slavs, assorted High Slavs, Northern Italians, non-moorish Spanish/Portuguese, Irish, Scandinavians.

Racial Nationalism is using categorizations as broad and vague as "White".

Universal and globalism are the same thing.

Civic Nationalism would allow White People to fight eachother while getting fucked by Niggers.


WHAT IS YOUR FUCKING PROBLEM?

[spoiler] damn it feels good to finally find someone sharing my views. death to all non-whites worldwide. it is exclusively Whites with a right to inherit this world.

Sieg Heil![/spoiler]

Well it isn't with me either.

We aren't joking around here you fag. As soon a a good chance pops up we'd exterminate every. single. nigger.

Yo wanna have a go mate
Ill fucking hook you by the bumper twat

the problem is the hardcore 1488 stormfags have created this meme taht "civic nationalism" = "magic soil theory" and it doesn't. It never did before anyway. Lolbergtardians cannot be nationalist by defintion, and its only them and lefties/liberals that believe in "magic soil theory." If you look, "civic nationalism" has always been a "white nationalist" theory from the beginning. Teh Founding Fathers were "civic nationalsits," in part, because civic nationalism was MORE restrictive than ethnic nationalism bc it kept out retards and catholics etc as well.

tl'dr - Holla Forums is retarded and can't into definitions and history but we already knew that

Do you feel in charge?

[spoiler] back to 4cuck

Ofcourse! Was being edgy part of YOUR plan?

fucking
NIGGER

how the hell did your spoiler work with a space and mine didnt?

im drinking forgive me

civic nationalism can work for america, but it's utterly retarded when applied to europe

That basically ethnic nationalism what the fuck are you even talking about

FBI ur drunk go home

that
was meant for

In that respects, would that mean racial nationalism would result in a world where each race has it's own nation? Is the end goal of white nationalism all whites living under one government?

Was being a subhuman non-white part of yours learnigchode?

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see
ethnic = culture
race = genetics

if you want to make america whiter you're a racial nationalist. ethnic nationalism is technically closer to civic nationalism

Civic "nationalism" is and always will be a precursor to balkanization or genocide.

All fucking non-whites must die.

What?

that depends on how "thick" your civics are. if by civics you just mean "i swear not to commit treason and be a good capitalist, and maybe pull a lever every four years," then yeah you're fucked. but, it has never meant taht in the past. that's something new within the post-war period

Logically so.

What else could it mean?

Racial nationalism is the only flavor of nationalism that can logically promote a black Africa without contradicting itself.


I'm yuro and at risk of prison for my political opinions.

I really want to know why my spoiler failed.

Here are some pics for you to feed on you jew shills.

also going to disable my sage

America was founded as a Germanic nation. There were even laws limiting eastern and southern European. White used to be synonymous with Germanic. The English are really not that ethnically different than Germans.

FBI go home ur filtered

Civic Nationalism is useful only as a temporary measure, it suffers the same problems its cousin Libertarianism does, too many holes and breaches that let subversives slip in and destroy it from the inside, its how america has fallen in the first place. You can't use righeteous reasonable arguments against people who thrive on the opposite of such concepts, but you also dont need to lower yurself and lose your ideal in process, thats where violence comes in, its a deterrent to foreign subversion that dose not require you become disgusting and moraly subversive yourself. Civic Nationalism, as history shows, only last so long as the necessary number of non-ethnic individuals need to start making a fuss and degrading a working system from the core outwards, much like in Rome, the moment you start to massively give citizen rights to individuals wich do not partake in the formation of civic nationalism in the first place, they take over for their own interest. The level of violent response will be in direct contrast to a the level of understanding an individual or group of individuals have in regards to the problem. For example deportation, an individual wich comes upon the realiztion he is a problem, even if not trough fault of his own, can be persuaded with reasonable argument that it would be in his/her best interest that to instead of giving way to less moral individuals, a better alternative is to export the ideal of ethnic ntionalism to his own homeland, instead of installing, imposing and empowering civic nationalism upon any other group. Such idividuals or groups of individuals should be supported and empowered by ethnic nationalists financialy to make sure ethnic nationalism is implanted in HIS own home, instead of weaking ethnic natinalism in another plce via ideas of civic nationalism. Individuals wich are beyong reason should have violence visited upon them ( Anifa, for example) as they openly declare they are in fact trying to destroy the country and ethnic composition of that entity. This is something 1488's need to understand. You dont NEED to kill all the blacks, you need however, to make as many as possible to understand it would be in their best interest to export ethnic nationalism, with a civic nationalism as a basis, back to their home countries. However, if you need to kill 90% of them who refuse to understand this basic concept, so be it, but the 10% remaining should be allowed, and in fact encouraged to go back and make their home countries better via ethnic nationalism based upon programs and ideals wich can take form initialy as civic nationalism. It is not a simple or easy process, but it is the right one if you want a lasting effect on history. Or you can act as a mindless violent barbarian and make sure history repeats itself and your grandchildren rightfuly blame you for not having foresight in the name of petty revenge. And have your descendants find themselves in the same situation we find ourselves today. Civic nationalism (Trump) is a breathing room (timewise) in wich ethnic nationalism can thrive and seep in on the public counciousness, it is not the final goal, but a temporary one wich in itself opens way for a glorious and permanent ethnic nationalism overseen by and perpetrated by a class composed of ethnic nationalists in all branches of power, both public and occult, being composed of and ruled by white ideals, and white individuals wich understand fully their responsibilities and liberties.

Ethnos and nation are the same word in different languages. "Ethnic nationalism" is redundant and means the same thing as "racial nationalism," albeit on a different scale.

try not having retarded fucking opinions and doing the spoiler properly fucking retard

Holla Forums gas yourself
fucking KKKek

No, it doesn't.

Not in practice you dunce.

If you promoted ethnic nationalism of exclusively German culture in the US you're still gassing a lot of what would otherwise be considered "Whites".

We do realize that, dumbass. If you don't support the destruction of the USA, you're subhuman and deserve to be killed.

i'm with you here…


wrong. bc ethnic means culture and so does nation

You're confusing your terms, son, believe me. I have way more education than you.
look, you can whine all you want but dividing it that way is useful.

civic = government & social institutions etc
ethnicity = culture & religion etc
race = genetics etc

that's just how it is. those are the definitions. get used to it bc that's not going to change by you whining about it on an obscure cambodian mountain climbing forum. k?

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ps. yes we all know there is overlap between those categories - nothing is perfect

Genus = φυλή, generally translated to English as "tribe."

Ethnicity is genetics, moron. You got educated wrong.

see
it is from the perspective of definition, and you're assuming "german" as an ethnicity has any meaning in the US and it simply doesn't - not really anyway. US "ethnicities" (perhaps outside of big cities with Chinatown and whatnot) are different from the rest of the world bc of the shitfuck diversity that has been forced upon us. I would sooner call "Southern" a legitimate ethnicity in the US than "German," if that makes sense.

sage

Die.

Civic nationalism is an oxymoron. Nation implies ethnicity. "Civic nationalism" is more accurately called "statism," or loyalty to the state.

It doesn't. Are you not from America?

dictionary.com/browse/ethnicity
no moron


see above dipshit

USA isn't white.

Many retards here may not agree with you but I do. America is a relic of the Age of Liberalism that began in the late 15th century. Liberalism and its relics must be destroyed if we are to return to traditionalism. We must tear down the false gods of empathy, universalism, and compassion if we are to survive, and all that stood for them must be removed. America was founded on the cornerstone of liberalism and is incompatible with the values we must embrace.

Hahaha this guy is a fuckig FRANK, this is some top comedy. An (((educated))) frank at that.

not really. see
its loyalty to a particular set of instituions, political mostly, but also social

And reported.

If we're going to post in this thread, please sage.

try again stormfag

That's a Jewish perversion of the original meaning of the word. Originally it meant race or tribe.

I thought you filtered me?

Guess that filter didn't work too good. Kek.

Also you can fuck your own arse learningchode, everyone knows who you are once you post your images.

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Both wrong. Ethnos and natio both mean race or tribe. Has nothing to do with "culture," which is a Jewish perversion.

Do you even know where you are right now?

learningchode.org, home of learningchode top moderator of /learningchode/

You're conflating the superficial mixing in the urban high density areas with the mostly clean racial stock in the rural countryside.

You realize that if a group of 10,000 Germans somewhere in Montana only held to themselves in their village, even now 150 years they still count as German, right?

Their geographic location doesn't somehow modify their genetics (at least not on this timescale) to the point of being distinguishable from the European German.

you just outed yourself. lol

no, it was anglos that were running the academe when that happened dipshit

no, originally it meant both you fucking moron - so did "race." But, you know science happened and we discovered genetics and memes (usually called "scripts" or other terms) and realized it was useful to distinguish, in many cases at least, between genetics and culture. So, all the smart people got together and said "lets have race mean genetics and ethnicity mean culture k guise" and everyone said yes.

sorry you weren't invited, but we don't invite knuckle-dragging mouth-breathing troglodytes to these sorts of things. we usually just use you as cannon-fodder. ;^)


wew


see
sorry nigger. you're wrong. read the thread before you so stupidly reply.

It's really just a meme idea, Turner Diaries tier where you have whites as an entire race of Mary Sues.


True, Italians and Irish weren't really considered white until long after they integrated


I find it funny that at first I was attacked for debating semantics Yet now we are debating the what ethnicity truly stands for.


I guess if ethnicity is genetic, racialism itself then is based on how broad the circle is. For instance, as noted by various whites saw others as different races hundreds of years ago. In that sense this is racialism with the smallest area. White nationalism is racialism at the broadest level, the highest amount of racialism before egalitarianism.

Let the cucks and niggers live in their own shitty states, let the white man live alone in his states.

Eventually we'll invent the melanin virus that'll clean the entire country

No you fucking nigger go up the reply chain. You kill all the non-whites and then the country called USA loses all relevancy and purpose.

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It's called "The Race War" and it is very cheap, the price of lead in fact. You simply (imagine this) kill them with bullets. You shoot them. Bash their skulls in, crush their infants under your boot, run the streets red with their blood and the sky grey with their ashes. Imagine, a world without cucks or niggers.

not on stormfront you dumb knuckledragger. this is mememagick central, where we create the ideas that are inculcated into the heads of the untermensch like you that we send to war. lol.

you've been outing yourselves as cannon-fodder this whole time.


nope. I'm from a "german" rural area and I just found out i'm probably 50% english. its not as clean cut as you might think. that's a myth

that rarely happens see above

see above. you're operating on the "genetic purity" myth of "ethnic enclaves." I believed it too until recently but its simply not true. most people that think they're "almost pure german" are heavily mixed with english and usually irish as well. I'm saying this coming from an area right in the fucking middle of german country with towns for hundreds of miles with (almost) only german names. sorry, its a myth. its not true. and, at any rate, no one has kept all the german customs – german in particular bc germans in the US were treated really poorly due to the 2 world wars

European is European. I am 100% European unlike you subhuman. Fucking mongrel.

As I wrote before, Turner diaries masturbation.

This is a diagram representing what I mean

Culture is downstream from genetics. I know they're not supposed to teach you that in college, but you're one gullible cuck if you don't catch on while you're studying fucking sociology.

Ethnicity is more a subset of race than a synonym. For example, German and Anglo-Saxon are both white but different ethnicities. I personally am of the opinion that white Americans have evolved into our own ethnicity unique from our European roots. Some would even argue multiple ethnicities (ie, Southerners.) Simply importing whites may not be enough to preserve our way of life. For example, would you want to import millions of cucked Swedes? That would be almost as suicidal as importing that many Africans or Spics. Possibly even more so since they actively believe this multi-kulti shit whereas the other races are just taking advantage of it.

Presumably you have heard of Angeln?

It's like you went in the "Holla Forums dictionary for FBI agents handbook" and picked out a few phrases to try and make yourself sound like "One of us xDDD"

America is only 20% white, most of them have to die anyway.

Culture is a combination of genetics and environment. The exact ratios may be a matter of debate, but they both play major parts.

purity spiraling faggot


No shit. But you're arguing with what is effectively anecdotal evidence. Statistically speaking it will largely remain the same, especially on a timescale as short as 150 years.

fallacious argument, see above


Can I see some studies or some data proving the fact that thick German country got as thoroughly gene washed as you're describing?

I'm not buying it.


still doesn't modify your genes in a distinguishable manner.


this tbh, t. yuro

srsly? no one is this fucking stupid, right? …show me the wine & promiscuity gene
no, its probably not. you lose.
QED

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No, it was Jews.

No, it didn't.

Incorrect. Jews decided to claim that race and culture are disconnected and have nothing to do with each other in order to more effectively go unnoticed in their parasitism, so they perverted the true meaning of the words from their original meanings.


USA is not a white nation and it will not be one ever again. Even if Trump succeeds on everything he has promised, which is unlikely, whites will still be less than 50% of the population in a few decades. Whites will have no power at all if the USA is not dismantled. And it will be dismantled no matter the case. We can either choose to do it through secession, which would preserve pure whites, or through mongrelization, which will just turn the usa into an extension of Mexico.

fuck off disinfo kike

That land is already given up. It is the price we need to pay for the sins of our grandparents who failed to preserve our nation. Once we have our own state, we can reconquer the rest. We can never reconquer that land if we remain under the same democratic government with our enemies.

Nice try jew.

The only way to actually gas the kikes race war now in America is to destroy the jewish system that keeps it from happening, and the American government is jewish in ideal and nature from its founding, it is a nation of jews made for jews. A jewish nation.

Certainly. Environment shapes genetics, hence blut und boden.


academicwino.com/2016/10/wine-preference-linked-to-genetics.html/

journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0014162

8577041
wut? What does that have to do with racial/ethnic purity in the US?


wew lad

double-wew


yes, in fact. some eternal anglo on Holla Forums this summer linked me to an article. even those Germans were the largest reported single ethnic group, something like 50% of US ancestry was actually British bc of admixture (i think this was from a study in like 2000 so who knows with all the mexis)

So, again, ethnicity means culture and an ethnic nationalism in the US would indeed be racial, but it would be unique to the US as well - like Southern, PacNW, etc.

There was an article recently with a cultural map…
businessinsider.de/the-11-nations-of-the-united-states-2015-7


Books have been written on it, but I'm sure Holla Forums wouldn't care bc those people might have social science degrees so automatically their communist kikes who are trying to subvert muh whyt raec or some shit like that.

wew fuck off (((trshill)))

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It isn't disinfo. Trump has promised to remove illegals. But this will not solve the problem. USA is already less than 60% white, and that white population is weighted towards the elderly. In the next 20 years whites will very quickly go from ~60% to 40% or less even after removing illegals anf building the wall. We could stop all immigration and whites would still lose majority status.

He's right.
The only way to make the USA White is to create a White state(s) within it.
The USA isn't White and will never be White again.
"Just have more White babies" is the solution offered by the (((alt-right))).
To even compete at this game of brute force breeding would necessitate that Whites drop out of work and devote their whole time to breeding (like Blacks and Latinos).
Whites can't win a brute force breeding war. The non-Whites are much more numerous, more experienced and have a culture more or less adapted to perfectly exploit the welfare state.
Kids talk about "life hacks". Well Blacks and Latrine-oes have hacked the welfare state to produce bumper families without the need for work.

Yes, but that's not confined to France is my point retard. You're not understanding what I'm saying. There is no "French language" gene is my point, therefore its useful to distinguish between race (genetics) and ethnicity (culture).


To say it isn't - to say as you are that there is a 1 to 1 correlation between genes and culture - is so profoundly ignorant that I'm not really sure what to say….. here, do this
FIND ME AN ACADEMIC SOURCE THAT SAYS THERE IS A 1 TO 1 CORRELATION BETWEEN GENES AND CULTURE

You clearly didn't understand the Bell Curve when you read it, and clearly don't understand how science, let alone genetics, works. pathetic, really. that's how i know you're a stormfag

Filter and move on, people. Nothing to see here. It's literally just Holla Forums or whoever the fuck cares to think they can successfully shill here, but you're making them think thats the case.

citation and don't say Kevin Mac bc i read that

yes it did dipshit. race and ethnic meant the same thing and they combined culture and genetics bc they were assumed to be the same… back in the 19th century… you know before modern science and genetics. You know, all that stuff you deny bc ur a science-denier retard

stopped reading there bc ur a dipshit and you have no fucking clue what you're talking about. I'm actually beginning to think you're Holla Forums bc your arguments are so retarded and extreme.


FILTERED

Reported.

Your solution is a zero-sum game.
I don't understand this "zero-sum games are a bad thing" meme.

i'm the most intelligent and educated person in this thread, and i'm on your side. if you filter me, you are doing yourself harm, not me

lmao the confederacy was funded by the Rothschild's (((trshill)))

This thread went so shit quickly

I wonder what that map looks like in

So genocide is the only option

cute

Yes. Now fuck off divide and conquer kike shill.

Shills only use the threat of a filter as a perceived motivational tool to change opinions to right-think from wrong-think "stop being a stormfag reeeeeee". Actually filtering me would destroy your sense of self worth.

You are claiming that 20% of Americans are white, and you think they can somehow take over and cleanse the entirety of America without any pushback? You're either delusional, or anti-white and want to see whites extinguished in America entirely.

Angles, Saxons, Jutes, and Frisians were Germanic tribes. So when you say you thought you were German but turned out to be part English, there's a good chance it means fuck all.

Really makes me think.

Just to clarify.
Zero-sum is the tournament model of competition, the male model, there is a winner and a loser.
Non-zero-sum is the female strategy, also preferred by leftists, "everyone wins."

Genocide isn't required to form an Apartheid country.
The solution offered by >>8577115 that requires genocide.

You need to go back to 4/pol/. The whole "___ IS NOT WHITE?!?!" shit works alot better there.

As few as 10% could ethnically cleanse a country with enough weapons and motivation.

wew lad. i knew you were a slow one. that's why i filtered you.

WHELP, THIS THREAD TURNED INTO A STORMFAG PURITY-SPIRAL DAMN QUICKLY

SEE YOU HALFWIT MASTURBATORS ON THE FLIPSIDE

race and ethnicity are not separable.
sex and gender are not separable.
genetics and culture are not separable.
paternal, providence, protection, and progenitor are not separable.

civic nationalism is anti-white.

Right around now is usually when someone will print up the total guns owned by Whites in America figure.
While a very large number, it's worth bearing in mind that a man can only fire one gun at a time.
Of your 10%, how many men of fighting age?
Of that figure, how many proficient in fieldcraft (i.e would have a chance of lasting more than a few seconds in combat)
You'd be lucky if the figure is 1 in 20 of that 10%.
Niggers and Spics can also use guns.

It is if you want to not cuck out and let shitskins take the lands we colonized

user, i agree. But, then the problem is this: why do we consider Germans and English to be distinct? I've been having that argument with some other retard ITT who thinks all of French/German/English/etc culture comes from their genes and won't recognize that there is something separate called "ethnicity" that is distinct from "race"

For my part, racial nationalism would mean pretty much all of Western Europe and the British Isles would be pretty much one genetic group. Certainly most of England, Denmark and North and West Germany are bc as you pointed out Angles, Saxons etc etc


But you see how this is turning into a faggot clusterfuck bc ppl can't accept that ethnic, racial and civic have distinct definitions as i pointed out here:

fuck off back to cuckchan

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If you're too afraid to even say what you stand for then how can anyone expect you to get anything done?

I said culture is downstream from genetics, not that culture is genetics. Learn to read.

Ethnicity is not distinct from race. It is a subset of race. Ethnicity has cultural elements but ultimately culture depends on genetics.

Whites of various ethnicities can get along and eventually truly integrate with one another. Niggers, spics, and Arabs cannot.
We've had blacks for hundreds and hundreds of years and they haven't even integrated.

A lot of whites will need to be killed. At least 40% of American whites will need to be killed. It is a good thing.

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They have different genetics and different cultures. The English aren't Germans, they're partly German.

Ethnicity is within race. The white race consists of many ethnicities. Ethnicity is not a separate concept from race.

yes, but that was an argument you thought refuted my point that "its useful for the purposes of discussion to separate ethnicity (culture) from race (genes)" – you sperged out about me saying taht

so perhaps you are the one that needs to learn to read you dumb fucking twat

see above dipshit. learn to read. you're not even making a point and you're too stupid to realize it

They are already occupying the lands, most of them have completely legal citizenship.
Killing 150 million people is not a practical solution.

Fucking jew propaganda has convinced people America was and will always be the world's toilet when it comes to immigration.

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let me ask you this: did you already say that you believed in epigenetics?

because if so, then culture is NOT "downstream" from genetics since they influence each other
QED


no, ethnicity is culture, full stop. quit trying to muddy the water


I'M GOING TO CALL THIS ONE A WIN AND PACK IT IN HOMOS

It is not particularly useful to separate ethnicity (race) from genes or culture. Genes come before culture and the two intertwine. The only reason to separate genes from culture is so you can pretend culture can be imposed without regard for genetics.

Because Civic nationalism will lead to the same problems that any non- homogenous society will have,you dont understand what is required to have a functional society . humans are tribalistic, groupthink is real, racialism is a genetic trait that helped us create actual civilization. Civic nationalism is inherently flawed just like democracy. The lack of undesrtanding of social behaviour and that the smallest unity in society is the family rather than the individual is why we are here in the first place, even our enemies understand this and are trying to dilute the racial differences by promoting race mixing in order to undermine western societies.

And they still do.

Social science isn't science.

wew lad

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This is what your type of thinking brings us. We're unable to morally defend ourselves against subhumans since we can't ally with whites of different ethnicities.

I presume you're not American.

hol up
~80 million people died in WWII. If we can't kill twice as many today, then what was the point of all the postwar arms development?


Genetics come first. Life exists before culture does.

False.

Back to TRS with you, nigger.

Race and ethnicity aren't synonyms.


The point of postwar arms development was to prevent losses like that from ever occurring again.

Talking to people that sit around all day and worship dead hitler and post images of his face and other shit is who you are dealing with.

They are completely delusional about the world they live in and they think pictures on the internet are magical in some way and can somehow turn the course of the nation.

Just give up.

Your best bet is to join me in antagonizing them so that they are motivated.(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

You are an idiot that doesnt understand that the individual 's doesnt exist in vacuum, modern science doesnt validate hyperindividualism or enlightenment ideas as the human being is a social creature and genetics will always influent on certain behaviour, do you deny that genetics doesnt have any influence in intelligence for example? Do you dont think the bell curve is real?

Are not willing to believe certain behaviour will continue to pass by families as long as our society is still constructed in the same organic fashion?

As long as the family is smallest unit in society and humans remain a social creature by nature groupthink , tribalism and other social behaviour will still be linked to genetics rather than culture like it or not.but you go even futher not only you dont understand social behaviour or human nature but also how society was organically constructed you see moral questions immediately present themselves as questions whose solution cannot wait for sensible proof. A moral question is a question not of what sensibly exists, but of what is good, or would be good if it did exist. A social organism of any sort whatever, large or small, is what it is because each member proceeds to his own duty with a trust that the other members will simultaneously do theirs. Wherever a desired result is achieved by the co-operation of many independent persons, its existence as a fact is a pure consequence of the precursive faith in one another of those immediately concerned. A government, an army, a commercial system, a ship, a college, an athletic team, all exist on this condition, without which not only is nothing achieved, but nothing is even attempted.

fuck off (((trshill)))

saved and reported

different scale, same meaning

Is that why people got all butthurt about the Cuban Missile Crisis? Unacceptably high levels of loss prevention? Is "fuel air bomb" some kind of euphemism for body armor?

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That's incorrect.
Race is determined purely by genetics.
Ethnicity is a product of race and culture.
Two people with the same DNA can have different ethnicities but they cannot have different races.
What are you babbling about?
The reason there has not been a war anywhere near the scale of WW1 or WW2 is precisely because of nuclear weapons and M.A.D.

Almost all give you 1% black, 1% jewish. and varying amounts of injun

It still won't erase the fact that I have been manipulating you people to do what I want you to do for the last 17 years using the internet.

I am the driving force behind the nothing.

You all work for me.
You just don't know it…

It's our lands cuck

sides = lost

You would rather see the largest war in the history of mankind than a peaceful solution which preserves the already dwindling pool of Whites.
This is reminiscent of negroid babble about "respek". Niggers will kill each other to maintain imaginary "respek" in the same way as you would see the annihilation of Whites because "it's our land."
Very childish and completely impractical.

Yes they are. Ethnicity literally means race.

You would rather see the largest desolation of our homeland with the greatest exodus in the history of mankind than a simple solution which preserves the already dwindling pool of Whites via genocide. Do you really think that niggers are our equal lol?

Culture is a product of race, retard.

It doesn't.
The fact or state of belonging to a social group that has a common national or cultural tradition:
en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/ethnicity

Educate yourself, ffs.

You are not very bright if you think that murdering hundreds of millions of people is a "simple solution", or that it won't have any effect on White numbers.
It's not practical and it will never happen. Are you just trying to make us look like morons?

Educate yourself.
en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/ethnicity
Ethnicity is not another word for race.

no

And? That's because the things blow up and kill people in theory, not because they're really safe. My point is, we have better weapons now than we did 70 years ago. I don't think it would be reaching to say white people could be at least twice as effective against niggers and beaners today as we were against each other when B-29s and Garands were state of the art.

You don't understand basic English.
Get back to us when you do.

now there's a fucking meme answer. i'm sure trump will repeal the 1965 immigration act and stop bringing in a million undesirables every single year. for fuck's sake he probably won't even deport all the illegals, only the "criminal" ones.

It's simple enough, one of your own guys made the argument himself
archive.fo/l075c
that is until you cucks deleted it

You can't switch ethnicity any more than you can switch race.

Yes, it does. You are posting the Jewish redefinition of the term. Do you also believe that the definition of "woman" is "a socially constructed gender identity" or whatever other newspeak definitions the Jews provide for you to degrade your language?

he probably does, trshills have literally become sjws

therightstuff.biz/2016/12/05/12-1genocide-the-inescapable-conclusion/
Here ya go bud, still there. Lawrence Murray got real butthurt but Sven is in there against the cucks.

I'm not reading that shit.
Yes, TRS (((alt-right))) etc push genocide in order to marginalize the right and prevent expansion.
Also known as image defilement, as practised by National Action, Renegade, Daily Stormer etc.

That doesn't make them the same, you fucking idiot.

Reddit is calling, lad, r/The_Donald misses you

My question towards Holla Forums (i.e. the various people on it) would be, as an end goal, which do they seek: white nationalism (ala Russia), or somehow making the culture in the U.S. be such that ethnic nationalism exists (i.e. Irish in the U.S. will marry Irish, German, Germans, etc.), or complete ethnic nationalism where balkinization would occur?

Are you from (((trs))) or not pr-cuck

then why was it taken down to begin with cuck?

death of niggers and jews

Then I'll clarify:
After the obvious, removal of the African population, Asian population, Indian population, etc. such that the population was not only caucasoid, but purely Europe (i.e. no halfs or fourths).

death of niggers and jews. It's that simple, don't be an autist

Gosh, you're uneducated.
Race is the term that has been redefined. Race used to be used in the sense of ethnicity, it didn't refer to genetics.
"The Scots race."
"The Welsh race."
"The Irish race."

Now "race" refers to genetics and "ethnicity" is used where "race" would have been several hundred years ago.

Race is purely determined by genetics.
Ethnicity is determined by genetic identity plus cultural identity.
If you take identical twins born to Russian parents and split them, the twin raised in Moscow by Russians will have a Russian ethnicity. The one raised by Jews in New York will not have a Russian ethnicity.
This is not a difficult concept to understand.


Your shit thread has been anchored.

lmao only sjw cucks write that

Where the fuck are you idiots coming from?

lmao not my thread

Race and ethnicity are the same thing. A race is composed of many ethnicities.

lel
Democrat (((liberal))) etc push white genocide in order to marginalize the left and prevent expansion
Also known as image defilement, as practised by Academia, Conservatives, MSM etc.

wat


A Russian raised by Jews in New York is an ethnic Russian with Jewish adoptive parents. White race, Russian ethnicity, American citizenship, sliced penis and herpes.

Then we go to space.

"Civic nationalism" is seriously the most nightmarish idea in the history man. I would sooner live in a fucking Stalinist dictatorship, at least then the agenda is out in the open and I'm not supposed to pretend some fucking ugly rat-faced Arab mudshit is just like me or that every gook and dago is an enterprising go-getter with a hat full of dreams or whatever. Fucking choke on your own cum liberal faggots.

Sorry, I remember some notion that white nationalism (even if it wouldn't be considered such due to the different ethnic groups that are clearly not European) was promoted in Russia.

Yes he will

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Good job southerners, those niggers you brought in sure helped you. The south shall never rise again

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Ethnicity IS race you stupid fuck.

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Extremely subversive, that's what they are. They are why our nation is now in a ruinous state.
Modernism is reaping without sowing.
Giving power to people who have no stake is giving power without consequences.
Nationalism that isn't populism will fail - a nation is based of a people. Ideologies change; blood doesn't.

Now if you'll excuse me - I have to redpill my already redpilled, extremely white, extremely ethnic nationalistic, and extremely Christian neighbourhood in Europe.