Why the fuck so communists like Stirner? If anything...

hollaforums.com/thread/6124444/politics/what-is-the-deal-with-leftypol-and-max-stirneri.html

Hey Noah!

Read this.

spunk.org/texts/intro/faq/sp001547/secG6.html

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Dafuq is hollaforums

Now get the fuck out of my property.

That thread is pure cancer

Communism requires egoism otherwise you just have totalitarianism
libcom.org/library/world-without-money-communism-les-amis-de-4-millions-de-jeunes-travailleurs

Marx wasn't a humanist, that was the entire basis of his critic of Feuerbach.

Ayn Rand held normative stances Stirner would say were mere spooks. Objectivism isn't compatible with Stirnerian egoism.

Looks like pure unfiltered cancer.

Maybe you should read a book before you start spitting your mouth diharea every where. The dismissal of private property and it's justifications are pretty fucking central to marxist thought.

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Yet another moron with unwarranted self-importance shitposting their hot opinions on books they've never read. Nothing to see here.

wrong again friendo

no you fucking moron. the only morals here is the moral of "being grateful towards capitalists aka le job creators", which is a stupid bourgeois morality thats completely meaningless. communism rejects this morals, deeming workers to have the right to fight against their "job creators" to seize the means of production and establish socialism.

Kek spooked tbh
you don't know what the fuck your talking about both of those things are made up values we assign to the material world not based in them. If it were strictly based upon material reality the conception of race would pretty much be rendered as useless. It would either be too specific and narrow that we would call every individual a race unto themselves or so broad it wouldn't matter. Assigning value to things like this is spooked. you should actually fucking read stirner some time

Anyone with an IQ above 140 would disagree with you.

Only if you make it that.

Like what? Are we "le pc police" because we aren't white nationalist?

They're arbitrary as far as the individual goes.

It assumes it is in the objective class interest of the proletariat to expand its monopoly of power(the "Dictatorship of the Proletariat"). Nothing more or less.

Except the classification of race has literally been fucking dropped in academia by those same people because. Regardless, it's arbitrary to how you should treat an individual and what the interest of that individual is.

You can be racist if you want, but stop trying to excuse it away.

Which people in academia? It's commonly known that different races have different skeletal structures and DNA. Fucking hell, you can tell a person's race based on a DNA test, or get a good .

Exceptions to the rule don't make the rule. There are a few tigers out there that won;t attack you, doesn't mean you should jump into the tiger enclosure.

some of what he says is accurate, he falls short of a coherent model for society though. Also I think its just mostly memeing because its funny to consider everything

1) spooky
2) your property

also Bob Black should be stabbed. Because y' know, amoralism and I want to. Don't call the cops on people for smoking weed Bob.

There is a lot of overlap between different ethnic groups in the same race with genes from other races. "Race" is a spectrum and where you draw the lines is completely arbitrary.

genomebiology.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/gb-2008-9-7-404

Sorry, what? Humans are individuals. Do you find it odd that an ideology that is focused almost entirely on the individual, is an advocate of individualism? Is it fair to treat all white people as murderous colonialist?

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There is literally no evidence that Stirner actually existed.

Did you read the rest of it, or did you just cherrypick that one line? "Race" is a spectrum, where you draw lines is arbitrary. It is a defunct 19th century classification of human biology.

Also so, can I treat all white people as murderous colonialist? You didn't answer that question.

Yeah, if they're colonizing you why not?

Damn did you get triggered this hard?

No, I can treat them like that whenever I want. You said the individual doesn't exist, exceptions to the general "rule" shouldn't change how you treat someone right?

My whole point: race and sex are about as important to the individuals growth as their hair color, or how big their feet are.

kys tia

You've clearly never read Marx. It's not about rights or because their bosses are mean to them, it's about power.

I believe we will never gonna have any fair society without people first getting some heavy de-spooking. Seriously, a lot of shit that exists today only exist because spooks.

How is Ayn Rand not a moralist?

ITT: Holla Forums is still trying to make Stirner it's own, without even having read.

Stop trying to take over our memes, pol.

rip speakers

The story was that Marx was a humanist in his younger days, but he was BTFO by Stirner and the German Ideology was basically his way of moving past his humanism. That's why the early works of Marx focused more on alienation, liberation from wage-slavery and basically more philosophy and whatnot whereas the later stuff is more economic theory.

Now, on the contrary, when every one is to cultivate himself into man, condemning a man to machine-like labor amounts to the same thing as slavery. If a factory-worker must tire himself to death twelve hours and more, he is cut off from becoming man. Every labor is to have the intent that the man be satisfied. […] His labor is nothing taken by itself, has no object in itself, is nothing complete in itself; he labors only into another's hands, and is used (exploited) by this other.
Cambridge 1995, p. 108

Stirner, The Ego and Its Own

I havent read her "philosophical" works, just a few of short stories. But I domy get the sense that she cares so much about moral values, more so the ethical position of egoism.

I havnt read Rand but from what people tell me its a lot of mystical bullshit in an attempt to justify egoism in a capitalist society(something Stirner more or less warns)

As for Marx, most of his theories are built on a rational understanding of how to build a society. He himself might have been prone to "spooks" but most orthodox Marxists focus on the results of communism's classless society

Ive only read the second-hand literature on her philosophy. But she really didn't engage with other philosophers at all. The only real philosophy she actively reacted to was Aristotle. Which is interesting , but it's the 1900's… and you're not talking about contemporary philosophy of her time accurately, blatant strawmaninf, or throwing large groups of theorists under one broad category.

Her followers have done more to flesh out objectivism than she did, including one nutjob who argued that her philosophy was dialectical.

If you think the so-called "objectivism" of Rand is close to Stirner, the you're a fucking idiot OP.

Do yourself a favor and read a book lest you should shoot yourself.

Marx was by no means a fucking humanist dipshit. You're "morals" are bourgeois

Also, you're "rights" are also bullshit made up to justify capitalist private property. It's on the same bullshit level as the "divine right of rule" from feudal times. Rand is a fucking joke. At most, she was a novelist only taken seriously by propertarian college kids

Her only moral value is that the rich shouldn't be bossed around by those filthy, parasitic poors. She directly rejects everything else.

Holla Forums archive

To be fair Rand also says it's morally good to be a serial killer

The irony of Holla Forums of accusing anyone of being humanist is delicious considering they are the ones who are always going on about "muh human nature", not us

oh, ahah, ahahah hohoho. and I thought my jokes were bad.
Capitalism assumes that the owners have a right to claim ownership over property that workers have generated many times more profit on than compared to the initial cost of the property in addition to maintenance, because "we payed for it".

There's really nothing in Stirner that lends support to communism or leftism in general tbh. Egoists usually just recycle ideas about class from Marxism while thinking, somehow, that class is at the same time a spook.

t. first day on Holla Forums

hi yes you have autism

stirnerites do

Private Property is the ultimate spook, and its abolition is one of the main tenants of Socialism. Class is merely a concept that describes material reality.

Egoism is not Individualism, it's about not letting external (usually abstract) entities get in the way of one's interests.

Indeed. The ego is not his own but other than his own. Serve not the self; serve other than the self. This is the only course to act in self-interest. Individualism is collectivism.

(I'm not the other leftcom poster you were talking to)
its been proven over and over again that 85% of genetic difference between individual and individual is within their own national and linguistic group. Only about 1 to 2/4ths of the remaining 15% has anything to do with "race". Difference in race isn't a very good marker for as much genetic difference as it is claimed by rightists.
It comes down to the fact that most genetic difference between humans is due to mutation, genetic drift, recombination, etc. and not due to natural selection

Please see liberal science popularizer #7WV914SB
youtu.be/QVZb1B36TDg?t=1408

your adaptionist theory comes from the same source as the "cultural marxism" meme and ideas that "da ebil joos are more adabted to cabidalism and are dus cuhnneeng and sneeki"

He thoroughly rekt communism all over the place, no wonder Marx was so butthurt about him. This "serving the ideals of 🍀🍀🍀humankind🍀🍀🍀" when you're really just an involuntary egoist poorfag who wants what he doesn't have is something that doesn't get mentioned on leftypol at all.
I also notice that if you don't speak German it's quite easy to misunderstand Stirner because a translation of his "fancy" language can only be imperfect.

Stirner is hardly mistranslated, mein Freund.

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I deducted it from the comments I read on here, didn't actually check the english version first. I suppose they did a better job than I expected.

No it's just that Holla Forumsfags are so insecure in their masculinity that they need to make sure their entire political ideology proves to themselves/others that they are "real men". quite sad really.

This is the highest tier "muh racist phrenology is totally legit guys" site I've found so far. FYI the mods of this site are very autistic and love to argue, enjoy comrades.
thealternativehypothesis.org/

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Thanks comrade, this is deliciously hilarious

Kekkles

Also, is pic related a Jewish neo-nazi?

At the moment I read marx and humanist I knew it was a bait. But I guess this video explains the relation between individualism and communism pretty well.

youtube.com/watch?v=6zufBBtjL-0

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If you comment there challenging them they sometimes drop walls of text on you. It's pretty fun.

I was thinking about just dropping

Check,
thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/07/18/what-the-experts-really-think-about-race-realism-and-white-nationalism-or-at-least-ideas-pertaining-to-it/

We'll see what happens next

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That's pretty gay, Max.

They responded already…
By linking to another article of irrelevant nonsense.

The article they linked to:
thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/04/15/race-compared-to-family-and-gender/

My responses are pic relateds

So is race.

Pepper your angus. I hope they're not too worn out by now to write OC text walls anymore; otherwise it will just be links and copypasta.

New response

Why are you wasting time with that (literal) faggot? The guy has spent the last decade fapping to every "scientific" study purporting to demonstrate some difference between the races and celebrating any all forms of inequality. You're wasting your time.

because its hilarious

Try your best and you'll eventually get him to say "my opinion is more correct than academic experts."

He just deleted my comment

He didn't even try to address it

and he banned me

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spoopy

proof

tried posting with another account

looks like maybe he blocked my ip, rather than just my account.

He's a fucking moron

There's still a side bar showing recent comments, so everyone can see that I originally did post something to that article.

Looks like he only has non arguments left.

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