How can we reunify the left even more...

How can we reunify the left even more? Like a lot of threads I see here are basically tankies and anarchist yelling at each other's asses and how there's the liberal type of socialist like the ones in Reddit versus us traditional leftist

to be fair a lot of the shit flinging is just bantz but of course some do take it seriously

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i propose a large-scale debate where everyone who wants to argue against or in favor a position had to do an essay, after some years in war we will get tired, or even better we will reach consensus.

in other words, consolidate the war between anarchkiddies and marxist-leninist.

MINARCHISM!!

To be fair, most of the marxists here are not tankies

most of the people here "yelling" at trivial things and not making any lengthy discussion posts are just pollacks trolling

Do we need a billion threads about this?

I'm out

by purging the anarchkiddies

Fuck you, can't unsee

Welp you just ruined it

Lel

Left Unity is a dumb meme

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Someone said in another thread a desire for unity shows that you're new to the left and hadn't even read the manifesto. And they have a point. The divisions are usually there for a reason. Trotskyists take the cake for petty sectarianism, but the divide between MLs and the average anarchist is more than skin deep. It cuts to the bone.

Nobody's denying that there are serious ideological differences between he sub-groups of the left, it's more of an issue of finding ways to work around our differences to reach a compromise, or at least coexist, for the sake of actually overcoming capitalism.

When the revolution hits, the M-Ls take the cities, and the anarchists take the countryside (minus the farmland needed to feed the cities). Both sides agree to work independently on their own ideological visions of Communism without imposing their will on each other.

So basically what you are saying is that anarchists get control of all the resources that the "m-l" need and the leninists get the task of trying to provide for the city without resources other than a bit of food?

Compromise and coexistence has proven largely impossible, both in organizations like the first and second International, and actual revolutions like Catalonia and the Russian civil war.

Coexistence and compromise should give way to simply staying the fuck away from each other. That would be an improvement. We can talk all we want but all historical attempts have resulted from one ideologically and theoretically coherent tendency having the space to implement their plans. If we tread on each others toes it leads to competition and eventually a fight to the death. If we try and compromise we end up with the split between the Mensheviks and the Bolsheviks.

There will be no unification until the anarkiddies and trots are finally driven out or converted to Marxism

No, I meant that anarchists could form small, decentralized communities that are self-sufficient, but do not occupy more territory or resources than they need. They would form a network of Bookchin-style municipalities within a larger Socialist state. The point would be to provide a space for anarchist-types to exist without interacting with the necessary hierarchy of the state.

Didnt know marxism is a religion

Tbh the fact that people unironically use "revisionist" as an insult should show you that it basically is a religion by this point.

Marxism has become irrelevant outside of academic circles. There really is no need for reconciliation since the only revolutionary movements worth any note are libertarian socialist movements.

>only revolutionary movements worth any note are libertarian socialist democratic confederalist movements.
FTFY

Democratic confederalism falls under the umbrella of libertarian socialism fam

Yeah fam you just tell the kurds to call Ocalan and tell him he mistitled his magnum opus.

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Sad

Both "libertarian" socialists and anarchists claim Rojava, but it's rather irrelevant on the ground.

sad

I'll tell n1x the next time I see him shitposting that he's really a libertarian socialist. Glad you could clear that up.

Post-leftism is an exception, not the rule

Arguing everything is libertarian socialism so long as it isn't marxism was bound to trip you up.

very sad

QED.

Fallacy fallacy : ^ )

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Ebin

NEETs make lots of idiotic art don't they.

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Nice flag.
If you want to be a market socialist, that's fine. Just stop pretending Tito was a Marxist and people will stop calling you out on your bullshit.

Fuck off you cunt, why would I want to be with a bunch of idiotic anarchkiddies who care so much about muh freedom and never think about their well being and security. The last time we had anarcho communism it became weaker and a fascist could just walk into it's country and turn if into a fascist dictatorship.

The left needs to create new institutions.Ordinary people need to see that the left can actually do something for them.The worker uprising you all dream about will only happen very slowly.What will we do when the economy is going to crash even harder in 3 years max?

We need to slowly circumvent the system while is slowly crumbles so people have an alternative to turn to.If you think waiting untill it all goes horribly wrong and only then ORGANISING you are fucking retarded.We'll all be dead by then.

Fucking read shit and try to find new ways of living that are humane.

I never said Tito was a Marxist. I'm not a Marxist either.

People on the left need to come to freeze peach sites like 8ch and make other sites like 8ch instead of congregating at reddit.

Anarchist are still better than social democrats