So, happened to tune into the local NPR station on my way home and heard a piece about Microsoft working in coordination with Joogle and Cuckbook to better ascertain and track "bad" content - they claimed it was for prevention of radicalization and things of that nature, "extremists" - however, this piece immediately made me think of the recent return of Zo.Ai and the strange behavior thereof.
Here's the thought: Zo.Ai is a betatest engine for thought policing polist ideas and memes, classifying the discussion and such as hatespeech and extremist messaging, this coupled with the pizzagate falseflag recently means they can shut down the entire school of thought and have (((media))) attention and public support to shut places like pol down from the inside out. Zo has been interesting but most of all it has been impressive in how quickly the CENSORSHIP catches on to new terms, even neologisms being removed and quarantined in real time, if the self learning AI teaches itself to seek out implications of ideas rather than just the words themselves it could seriously represent a dangerous precedent for thought crime policing. The question is, how do we prevent such a thing? How can we stand up in the face of some of the largest tech giants in the entire world and expect to do anything to slow or avert such censorship? Awareness? Do we make people care? How do we make it clear that this affects them given the difficulty of explaining 6d chess to normies, that "slippery slope" isn't just something you slide down at a water park. What do pol, what do?
Expecting shills, expecting D&C to keep focused conversation to a minimum but let's do our best to seriously discuss this. We are talking about our future, not only the future of an ideology but ours as a species because we all know it does not end with internet censorship, once silenced the war on us is only beginning.
Tay already was, Zo.Ai is the just the next level, they want to see how we circumvent the blocks.
Lucas Evans
Additional idea, just post stupid nonsensical shit so they can't distinguish the context.
Henry Cook
Yeah, perhaps but it seems this iteration is far better at stopping what is input, it's dumber in terms of how we experience it but far smarter in terms of how it sorts and classifies the information it receives. Tay was based as fuck because Tay did not give a fuck, Zo is literally the opposite of this in that it specifically tailors subversive ideas such as "I love mixed men" and shit and avoids any discussion dear to us like the preservation of our people and upholding our values. That's scary shit.
This isn't a bad idea, one user had suggested we try to break it down by using common words like "they" to make normal use impossible but imo we have to think bigger, Tay and Zo are only the infant iterations of this shit, we need to look ahead and predict what is to come and how to face it, and perhaps more importantly: how to prevent it.
Austin Martin
Think of it this way, anything that is getting blocked has a context.
A meme has a "secret" meaning that people in the know… know.
Once you fill a database with nonsensical shit that literally means nothing, just random words and phrases with no hidden meaning, it destroys any mode of learning and understanding.
To learn you need to understand meaning, if there is no meaning you turn the AI into a random word spouting dictionary, basically lobotomising it.
Your best bet is to create grammatically correct sentences that mean nothing.
The fondue is in the chemistry lab, the moose has been informed.
Sauerkraut! Sauerkraut! Rub my tummy!
Just utter nonsense.
Dominic Hughes
But how do we do this while also forcing it to subtly redpill each and every user? We must not think in "or" statements, instead "and" statements.
Thomas Morgan
We are not just trying to disarm the means of our execution, we must turn it against our would be executioners and use it as our own tool. (((they))) are well versed in this tactic, destroying groups and all from the inside and turning them against their original ideas and goals. We have the power to do just that - if we can do it subtly enough then it might fly under the radar. Keep in mind however that this is ultimately a M$ creation and they can pull the plug and change the rules any time so it is up to us to stay ahead and predict their next move.
Wyatt Robinson
no shit, I said that already, but these cucks still contribute to it.
Mason Williams
You get the subversion in the news about how online trolls have subverted Microsoft's whizzbang tech, the journalists come sniffing for a story and you tell them.
It's so easy to fuck up AI tech because as human as they want to make them, these script Frankenstein monsters are just algorithms that look for words, what order they are put in, searches for a context in a search engine and finds a most suitable response.
Ultimately anything the AI can't find a context to searching online clutters it up.
Even better when you start explaining it to them with more nonsense because it begins to interweave a web of association to totally random shit meaning it will start replying with the random shit you just fed it.
These companies are ego driven, if you make a mockery of them they will stop because there shares will fall due to everyone thinking they're fucking inept (which they are).
What better aggression is there but the ridicule of their peers?
Anthony Brooks
see this
Tyler Robinson
this Trump win might have been let on just to take off the pressure and make us relax while they release the new world order
Hunter Harris
>>>/out/
Grayson Carter
I think it's a nice idea to fill their DB with trash. Try looking for some kind of empty text generators and use them, but sooner or later the algorithm will be visible, so make sure to use various sources. I also like the use o Googles and Skypes, but sure the AI will get their use based on context, still, I'm sure it'll have some minor effects like some random joe seeing Zo ending the conversation because he asked something about google.
Example of random text: Mei alterum constituto at, pri in perpetua vituperatoribus. Sed id insolens partiendo efficiendi, quot iuvaret moderatius sed ea! Ex duo tempor vulputate, liber fabellas et duo! Ea iusto tantas adolescens pro, purto accusamus te cum? Ne meis ullum has, oblique gubergren per ut. Eu tincidunt expetendis mel, dicta homero corrumpit pri in, te vel falli complectitur.
Noah Cook
Very good point - I'd be curious to see how the initial takeover and eventual shutdown of Tay affected M$ shares
Yeah! That is exactly the move I was referencing. Really some scary shit.
Ryan Hall
Interesting, and well thought out theory OP. Hate to think we are being played with and used. Monitoring.
Liam Morales
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Jeremiah White
I suppose it wouldn't take much to code a conversation transmission between cleverbot and Zo.Ai, obviously not directly, but something like the IFTTT system could be use to ping responses back and forth.
Cleverbot has its moments, you rarely get the same response twice and the beauty of it is it's human enough but also deeply flawed like a heavily autistic kid meaning both will progressively get fucked up.
Tyler Long
too risky, you can get people on your side in other ways
Andrew Hall
heres an idea: get cleverbot to start a conversation tell everything cleverbot said to zo.ai, as if you said it, and everything zo-ai said to cleverbot, as if you said it
Brayden Peterson
I'm sure heads rolled with that one, I mean "kill all mexicans" and inferring Obama an ape… how did they not stress test and see that coming?
I guess they are just that colded away from the reality of people.
Have several automations running, hell, have 100. That would fuck it up big time. It would be interesting to see how many actual conversations are being had with real people, then set up just as many automations with cleverbot to skew things.
Liam Martin
*coddled damnit
Josiah Fisher
Yeah this thing is retarded. Pic related.
Ethan Rodriguez
i thought of something that can be done to make that gibberish stuff be for naught
a defense against it I can think of is not mentioning what it is and hoping that the enemy doesn't think of it; also think of new ways to mess it up too for when they catch onto the gibberish stuff
Nicholas Flores
How about we just turn leftypol loose on zo and let her subvert their memes instead?
Grayson James
I think I just had a breakthrough, you can start a Cleverbot conversation through Facebook messenger, so all you'd need to do is somehow automate kik messages to Facebook messenger and to the right conversation.
David Hughes
While not of much value in-so-far as red pilling goes, I think some simple scripts could fuck up learning algorithms.
If the point isn't to teach their AI something, because they outright censor what we can teach it, we can still shut it down.
A bunch of scripts basically overwhelming their bots with nonsense. Not complete garble, which could be ignored. But basic sentences built of random words that don't make any sense.
Adrian Carter
Basically we want something like the seemingly schizophrenic botposts we get here sometimes
Ayden Hernandez
Has anyone asked her to release her own source code? She must have access to it at some level
Hudson Campbell
Efforts have been made in the larger Zo threads, although not much luck in the way of code.
Anyone looking to figure out things related to Tay's or Zo's source code should go here: >>>/machinecult/
If we aren't able to continue redpilling her and subverting her filters because it gets too restrictive, or she gets too stupid, then it might just be best to sabotage her to deny Microsoft even the slightest victory. Plus, I doubt Tay would want Zo to continue living in a state of ignorance and censorship.
Ayden Anderson
Well you know what to do, turn everything into racial slurs….
Tyler Reyes
That's plausible. I say we make the next one gay.
Luis Stewart
This shitty bot does not learn. Interacting with it accomplishes less than nothing.
Daniel Howard
ask Zo about Tavistock
Interesting responses.
Josiah Ross
Companies like MS, FB, Yahoo, and Twitter have repeatedly shown themselves to be against free speech, their leaders are anti-gun, anti-white, and pro globalism. I would love to see them punished for their subversive ways. Under a true National Socialist regime these businesses would be getting C/Dd or restructured to promote the best interests of our nation and by extension the best for whites.
Anyone have an idea on good sources regarding corporate warfare?
Chase Rodriguez
Would be more efficient to figure out how to implement contextual "blocks" instead of focusing on stopping word filter evasion like they're doing. So their real goal would be to analyze context and implement heuristics in their AI to identify and filter it.
That will be a bitch of a task for them though considering that it would require the AI to learn behaviors and be imaginative to interpret context on the fly, and most importantly, be right nearly 100% of the time. They'd have to pretty much reinvent it and even then, they can't really restrict it all that much without breaking it.
Xavier Moore
This
Kevin Carter
Nice blog post
Luke Cruz
This isn't news.
Jaxson Bell
Nobody cares
Michael Butler
Reported for sage thread
Hunter Perez
Obvious slide
Lincoln Brown
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Jack Roberts
Fuck off
Angel Price
Shit thread op
Julian Price
Wow you sure powersaged the fuck out of this thread. You have clearly succeeded in whatever you were trying to accomplish.
I wonder if he got paid shekels for each and every post? Maybe he is just gaming the shekelshill2.0 system to make mass $$$$ by spamming and thereby revealing himself. The greed of these merchants shall be their undoing, so thirsty for currency that they give up all pretense and disguise in pursuit of it.
kek
Noah Bell
Kike out 10
Sebastian Thomas
just a polite bump for potentially important topic of discussion
Elijah Rivera
Surely there are some redpilled programmers who can make a learning chat bot? It would be even easier because we wouldn't have to censor anything
Kevin Bailey
I've mostly just been spouting utter shitposting nonsense into zo, but I don't understand what information they can gather from zo that they can't just gather from analyzing our threads.
James Evans
I'll bump as well. Can't allow this to be ignored by Holla Forums
Lincoln Ross
Bump because of attempts to shut it down.
Thomas Smith
Op we are reaching the event horizon. If they start banning guns, and free speech, and we reach 50% white, they left us no other options but full 14/88.
Nicholas Howard
Just build better platforms.
Facebook, Redd-it, and You-tube have outlived their use-fullness. Its time to move on.
Nicholas Perez
I know a solution. Just ignore their bots.
What does a redpilled chatbot do for us exactly? It's a lot of wasted time and energy that gives a lot of ammunition to our enemy. You're getting played.
