/leftyk/ thread #2

AK = AK-47
AR = AR-15

I mean, there's also like the AK-74 and the AR-10, but the AK-47 and AR-15 are hella popular so usually someone will assume that's what you're talking about.

This should provide you will a very thorough answer to that sort of question: becomingriflemen.wordpress.com/

Burger here. Shortening of avtomat kalashnikova, which means Kalashnikov's automatic rifle.

AR is assault rifle, for AR 15. Fun fact, I went to high school with an Ian Stoner, a direct descendant of said gun.

*designer of said gun

holy shit, minor typo

Actually AR 15 is ArmaLite Rifle 15, assault rifle is a term for select fire weapons, meaning they are capable of firering in both semi and automatic mode.
EU flag is forgiven, but the socialist burger must remove one frie from his menu.

fuggoff, I'm friends with a person from the Stoner bloodline. That should add 5 extra fries for the single one I just lost.

The AR stands for Armalite Rifle not assault rifle.

It doesn't.

both of these fags got both things wrong and you're not correcting them…

I assumed that the user was asking what guns AR and AK refer to, not asking for what the fucking acronym means. Fuggin /k/ autists

And I meant AR in general terms where it does mean assault rifle, and also referring to the AR-15 seperately

Anyway he did correct me, chill out twat

It doesn't mean assault rifle anywhere tho…

What should I get next? I'm looking at selling my current deer rifle (a BLR in .308, on the right) and getting something way cheaper like a Savage Axis. I was also looking into a Remington 870 and also a Norinco M14 clone.

Any input?

If I were to get a bolt action, which should I get between a Kar 98 and a mosin? The mosin's obviously cheaper and has more plentiful ammo but I've heard the Mauser bolt is the best in the world and it's not that more expensive if I get a russian capture or something.

IT'S NOT 2009, THE MOSIN MEME NEEDS TO DIE.
People are paying Kar98 prices for the worst bolt action of the war.
sure, get a yugo Kar. after the war, one of the germanies sold a shit ton of kars to Yugoslavia, and they were re manufactured and stockpiled. pretty decent
I disagree about the best bolt though, I like the enfield better.

now if this is your first gun though, I do not recommend a full sized rifle, I would seriously recommend a .22, or even a carbine of some kind. it's much harder to get practice on a full sized rifle.

if sure about a rifle though, look into Enfields and Ishapores. my first gun was an enfield no.4mk 1 I got for $130 on gun broker. that's why I say don't get a rifle for your first gun. but I eventually traded that Enfield for an HK USP .45 Tactical (with thread protector!)

They both have pros and cons. The Mosins are cheaper, but they aren't as accurate or reliable. Their ammo is also much cheaper and is still made by the millions since it's still used by Russia, China, and many other countries. The Mausers are of better quality, more reliable and accurate, but 8mm Mauser surplus is running out, and since no countries use it anymore none of it is being made.

This is false. Romanian surplus is still cheapest, but Prvi Partisan and a few other companies make it.

How can i start training myself for gorilla warfare?

Go hunting like Papa Ernest kill the rich Hemingway

read the Book Total Resistance
read the book TM 31-210. Pay special attention here, most of your fighting will be conducted indirectly, through IEDs, mortars strikes, rocket attacks, etc.
practice marksmanship with a pistol and rifle
train your body to endure multiple day hikes, carry heavy loads, and function on low sleep and high stress
do some rifle/3gun courses.
take a few of those tacticool courses on small unit rifle combat.

given up yet? you're 30% of the way there

Learn radio communication
download the murder/k/ube, periodically read through those documents
read half of the books in the USMC's Commandant's Professional Reading List, skip the obvious marine military circlejerk propaganda.
Especially read on killing. Do you think you'll be able to kill if it comes down to it? most people flat out can't without a ton of conditioning. I can, but I feel very bad about it for a long time afterwards. I'm told it gets a lot better by your 3rd kill, after that it's like nothing, I'm told. anyway, psychological issues are not something you want to be dealing with in the bush, so do what you can to prepare beforehand. amphetamines and other drugs also help, but withdrawal is fucking awful, and can either flatout kill you or make you commit suicide. a guy fighting on amphetamine withdrawal is dead.

now, there is a reasonable chance you wont die in the first week. have you given up, or do you want me to continue.

Moar please.

Check those satan trips

I don't do drugs, but i see that not doing them also has a good side.

What i want to do is to use all of my money in weapons and then wait for capitalist crisis/right wing dictatorship to join a radical group.

I don't care about dying, what i care is diseases and hunger, but if there is a conflic here (uruguay) it will be on the city (it was like that with the tupamaros) so i think that wouldn't be a problem.

sounds like an average day in retail

you shouldn't do drug. only completely incompetant militaries like like African Child soldier armies and the Wehrmacht use amphetamines, but if you don't have extensive conditioning and therapy to help you, amphetamines fix the problems like that.

anyway, don't wait for a right wing dictatorship, the opening hours are the most important, and if you contribute to a robust and organized left, you'll be in a better position to meet the enemy and defend what you have while the masses can be organized and trained. you'll have safehouses, evacuation routes, stockpiles. you are so better organizing now than later.

The majority of armies in history have used one kind of drug or another. A significant number of soldiers went into battle drunk throughout history.

this tbh
red army used vodka all the time during ww2

Get a Mossberg 500 or an older Remington 870 shotgun in 12 gauge. Can often find them in pawn shops and online classifieds for around $250, and the versatility and low cost of shotgun ammunition is a big plus. An 18 or 20 inch barrel is preferable if you don't plan to hunt with it. Specified older for the Remington because the company got bought out an few years back and quality nose-dived.

For a good first rifle to practice with, another good option is a Ruger 10/22. Fires a very small bullet, but they're quite reliable and accurate. Get Tech Sights, some 25 round magazines, and a sling if you want. Usually in the ballpark of $150 to $220.

Another option is to slowly assemble an AR-15, which as previously mentioned you could pick up by saving some more. Start with a lower receiver, brand doesn't matter that much as long as it isn't polymer. Anderson lowers are like $40 before the FFL fees.

I've got a 10/22

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Remember you greatest weapon is your body. Keep in condition!

*bang*

Sorry, user. You died.

That is great, try waging a gorilla war as a fat slob.

No i was talking about the Acronym I know what a based revolutionary fascist killing AK and a shitty imperial AR are

Thinking of getting this badboy when I go abroad, semi-automatic rifles are the best you can get there.

Git gud

Is getting an M-1 worth it when it comes to semiautos?
I just like the sound it makes

As in the M1 Garand? I've heard mixed things about them. On the one hand they are terrific rifles, reliable, sturdy, etc. On the other hand I hear that modern 30-06 ammo will slowly destroy them, so tbh I don't see why anybody would buy one unless they had a stockpile of WW2 era 30-06. An M14 is basically the same, and shoots a far more common round, so I'd go for that instead.

AR rifles can kill imperialists too user. Just ask the IRA.

Well a fine RUC man came marching up our street
Six hundred British soldiers he had lined up at his feet
Come on out you Fenians, come on out and fight
He cried "I'm only joking!" when he heard the ArmaLite!

what about the finnish mosins

They're generally recognized to be of much better quality than the Russian ones.

Worth getting, then? Because even if the mosins aren't as cheap as they used to be the 440 round cans are still a fairly good deal compared to trying to get most other WWII rifle rounds.

Finnish rifles do not use the same ammunition as their Russian counterpart. Yes, you can fire Russian ammunition into a Finnish gun, and it will fire, but it's damaging to the gun.

Fug, I forgot that part

Oh my god. AR DOES NOT FUCKING STAND FOR ASSAULT RIFLE YOU HUFFINGTON POST READING LIBERAL! Jesus christ.

Realistically it depends on what you want it for. Mosins may not be as good as say, Mausers, but realistically the differences between bolt actions from that era are negligible.

Guys, is this a good gun choice for my first? You're only really allowed hunting equipment so I think this is the most I can push it.

Is it a crap gun? Am I a shitty retard with no friends?

You said you live in the UK right? A .22 is always a good first gun. They are cheap, the ammo is extremely cheap and easy to find, and they are a good way to learn good shooting habits and gun safety. So yes, a .22 is a great idea. You should also look into an Ishapore 2A, it's basically an Indian made .308 Lee Enfield. I'd imagine that they're common in Britain.

I'm thinking of going to Africa and I want a gun that can really liberate the shit out of any locals that dare stop me from helping them. Just kidding, but I need to ventilate bandits should the need arise.

It also looks fucking badass, it reminds me of the Ppsh with the banana clips instead of drum mags.

I tried having a read of gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/tanzania but it didn't seem to help so I just went off comparing the only arms dealer in the country:
www.tanganyikaarms.com/?page_id=4411

The CZ512 hunting rifle is on there and is the same as the carbine aside from a few aesthetic changes and a bigger clip, so I should be golden, right?

If you're looking for a self defence rifle then a .22 is not what you want, it's basically a pea shooter and is only good for target shooting and small game.

Also I looked into it and Tanzania effectively has a total ban on civilian gun ownership, so I'd pick a different country tbh.

stayingsafeabroad.blogspot.ca/2012/12/tanzania-tourists-travelers-need-to-be.html?m=1

Out of curiosity, why are you going to Tanzania?

Yeah this is what I struggle to understand about the country, the online resources for what guns are allowed are all over the place, but on that gunlaws site I read the most recent laws and it seemed to be hunting rifles and pistols are okay. One article says that they slackened gun laws to a free for all a decade or so ago, another says they're tightening them because people are shooting at each other left right and centre, then this article says they're banned outright (but I've never seen an article discussing banning them).

I'd say the blog is wrong, because this arms company is still selling them and I talked to one friend about gun licenses, another friend has a gun and there's a civilian shooting range near KRO airport. There's also the fact that the average person does need to buy guns because their main tourist industry is tourism, specifically mountains, safaris in national parks, so they need them for defense against wildlife and such. Also Somalians hid a huge cache of weapons in the Serengeti years ago, died, then someone else found it and sold them all on the streets, so they're in the American standoff situation now.

I went there a few years ago and it was great. The food, beer and accommodation is cheap also weed, the people don't have a stick up their ass and it's just crazier than the pretty sterilised life in the west. There's also some 10/10 girls there.

Writing all that I just realised that both me and the blog writer are using the same website for sources, but when I read it I'm certain that rifles and pistols were allowed and it was automatic rifles that were outlawed. The gun company has a shop in every major city so it seems pointless for them to do that if ownership is outlawed.

Bump for muh guns

Here's mine; Kel-Tec Sub-2000, chambered in .40 S&W. Semi-auto, holds 15 rounds in a standard glock magazine, and 31 in an extended mag. I got 2 standard mags and 3 extendos. Gun cost me $700. I carry it in my backpack. I'm 'merican btw.

Had these pics on hand from awhile ago to show to a friend, removed some personal info. No h8, comr8s. Sorry for shit quality.

I've long liked pistol carbines. How well does it shoot? Would you recommend it?

It's quite a kick on the shoulder, gave me a bruise the few times I've shot it. It's accurate to 100 yards and at a range of, I think, 20 yards it has the same power as a .357

It's very accurate though. I should replace with sight with a proper scope but that'd lose the concealability factor. Sometimes the safety gets stuck and you have to fiddle with it or hit it with a rubber mallet to move it back to safe mode. You also can't have a round in the chamber while it's folded.

But if you're willing to overlook that (I did), it's a great gun.

So do you CC that thing? Why would you carry a whole carbine and not just a handgun?

Just remember that it's right wingers that are fighting for your rights to own those

Fuck off.

Fuck liberals tbh.

Mad that the only thing the radical left that actually supports gun ownership does is debate online and destroy property when they riot? (IE: London Riots)

Stop acting like niggers then maybe I'll consider becoming an anarcho-syndicalist.

London Riots: Iraq War.

Bitch please we aren't the violent ones.

Learning drones and other RC vehicles and materiel will probably be pretty important. It's widely available and greatly enhances the usefulness of things like IED's which will probably make up a significant amount of attacks.

Oh, and learning some basic chemistry probably wouldn't hurt for that.

Technically, Kel-Tec calls it a sub-compact rifle
Because then I would have to go through the process of getting a handgun license which costs more money, not to mention there may be a few "things" on my mental health record that while benign, they may use as an excuse to disenfranchise me from owning a firearm. They can be contested in court and you'll usually win, but then I have to hire a lawyer which I don't have money for and drive all the way to the capital which is lightyears away from me. I'll get a handgun eventually but for now I've got this. I'm not complaining.

Fuck off.

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leftism is antigun sage

the communist party in america supports gun control

Liberals =/= leftists

What the hell is up with the greater presence of social liberals on this board?

muh no true scotsman

so you will completely and totally ignore my point and just say the same thing again. Okay

London Riots: Iraq War.
Bitch please we aren't the violent ones.

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Liberals are capitalists, therefore rightists, not leftists.

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this whole fucking board is pathetic. you guys are like the mudslimes who claim isis are not true muslims

all current communist parties in the world support gun control. the communist party in the US is not capitalist retards

I don't know what kind of pathetic socialist is supporting gun control. How the fuck are the proles supposed to defend the revolution without guns?

K.

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then the "left" needs to get their shit together, the enemy of my enemy isn't my friend.

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Wow this is a COINTELPRO thread if I've ever seen one.

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You fags are exceptions to the trend. Again, like I said. Pretty much every communist party in the world supports strict gun control.

Just like the fucking Mudslime terrorists, kek.

[citation needed]

Honestly he may be actually right, considering that most "communist parties" (by name) are Third International parties that degenerated into reformism around the 60s, some of them now being full on neoliberal parties.

Thing is, any well-read Communist would realize that arming the workers is absolutely necessary for revolutionary change and to assure democratic control after the fact.

Look up every communist party by country and their stance on guns.

Venezuela heavily restricts guns, so does China, Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam and Belarus.

Get the fuck over yourself.

Yeah, how many real "socialist/communist" parties exist out there?