Waco Texas

That is how I interpret it: it was a message to people who want to get off the grid/form their own micro societies.

with what? direct conflict with this thing is retarded and suicidal.

Anyone have any good links on the injustice surrounding this thing though? Its amazing. Before I was red pilled several years ago it seemed like the net was full of this stuff maybe because of Ron Paul. Now its all fucking gone. Its like this even and Ruby Ridge have been erased.

Jim Jones was fucking based though, made a bunch of niggers an hero and doesn't afraid of airplanes.

Yeah in conventional warfare.
EFPs will kill a tank user.

Also;

There is alot more to war than combat force.
Moral is a huge factor.

Yeah, that's what sounds most plausible to me too.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explosively_formed_penetrator

He was also a faggot and a leader of the alt-right.

Sure, you can enthusiastically get incinerated by a hellfire missile from 40k ft by a flying robot. Moral is important.

you dont know shit faggot.

Get a Gillie suit and line it with mylar.
You are now invisible to FLIR and most optics.

Also it's a bit different fighting on home turf, you pointed out moral which is related (how do American forces maintain high moral while killing their own) but also you can't lay waste to your own cities. Well you can be the repercussions are different. Therefore in such a conflict the Navy and Air Force are less relevant. The Navy especially because of the States' massive interior.

Truth be told, the biggest weakness of any standing army is guerrilla warfare.
I think there is a huge push to try to get us not to disclose and discuss the weaknesses of our armed forces .

Although it's all academic now, we fucking won, and meme warfare is the supreme excellence that Sun Tzu spoke of.

Mid-40's Gen-X who watched Waco live here.

Long story short?

Koresh was leading an apocalyptic cult who kept weapons legally.

BATF went in hostile and got their asses shot.

Either the compound was set on fire by BATF armored vehicles, or the armored vehicles knocked over a propane lamp that ignited the entire compound.

All of this happened under Clinton's watch and Janet Reno stonewalled any genuine investigation.

A senatorial enquiry trotted out a bunch of people willing to testify that Koresh was a sexual abuser and/or pedophile. What wasn't covered is how that was the BATF's responsibility.

I lived through Waco and watched it minute by minute. Ask me anything.

Look I know this is hard but that 1776 shit isn't gonna cut it here.

Fam…

Expound on this. Even if true I assume they must have covered their asses in some way around it?

How won't it? We didn't have to fight, but we would have won a civil war.
It's a numbers game really.
If you had been here for ANY length of time you would know this.

This was probably the worst time in history for the establishment to have had a civil war.
We would have won.
It would have been brutal and costly but it would have been our victory.

Do you have any idea how easy it is for example; to cut fibre optics to a base?

Ffs our litterall plan to prevent sabotage to our coms systems nationwide is to hope noone realizes how easy it was.

You are a shill, or someone with no grasp of strategic thinking.

So a Bundy standoff gone wrong.

Wasn't one of their primary justifications for going in alleged child abuse?

This, and here's what we learned at our Delta/SAS training days. WoW, we're super tactical. It's Reno time.

Do you know of any links that describe the equipment used like how many armored vehicles were deployed? I remember the tank distinctly.

The whole Jim Jones thing was a psyop. Most of those cult members did not die from "drinking the kool aid" as the msm meme suggests, they were shot in the back or lethal injected.
The people who survived Jonestown (yes, there were survivors) were systematically hunted down and killed.
jimhougan.com/JimJones.html

He was a socialist who got a lot of support from the democratic party in San Francisco. As well as funding from naval intelligence families.
Fun fact: Nancy Pelosi and Diane Feinstein used to be very close with Jim Jones in the 1970's.

Then you know just how easy it is to bleed and harass a standing army.
Like leaving fake IEDs everywhere with real ones mixed in.

They have to stop and send in a bomb squad FOR EVERY SINGLE ONE.
And the best part is they get complacent.

So eventually they start to drive by the real ones…

Firstly, Waco is in Texas. If there's anywhere in the US that's cool with religious groups owning firearms, it's Texas.
Secondly, the whole reason the BATF went in was that Branch Davidian was stockpiling 'illegal weapons'. There was zero fucking evidence of this after the siege. So when the senate enquiry into this clusterfuck occurred, the focus shifted to 'Koresh was a pedophile".

Any time a government goes in on the basis of one thing (Weapons of Mass Destruction/Illegal Weapons) then retroactively justifies it a different way (Operation Iraqi Freedom/Koresh Pedophile) you know there were other forces at work.

So you think explosives are easy to make and move?

Well, I sure am glad most of them were fags, miscegenites, Jesus Freaks and other assorted trash. Jonestown 2.0 when?

I can tell you 100%, the 'child abuse' allegations were only paraded during the followup senatorial enquiry.

At no point during the 51 days of the siege was child abuse even mentioned.

I don't know if you can find footage of the enquiry online, but there's even a member of the panel who causes an issue. BATF trots out an angelic looking girl who reads a written statement alleging child abuse by the Branch Davidians and one of the senators straight-up asks when it was that the BATF had child sexual abuse drop into their jurisdiction.

Waco and Ruby Ridge were what really awakened me to the rot at the heart of American politics, and I've been watching and collating ever since.

Yep. They actually pretty are. Pro-tip; you can use tannerite as a booster for anfo.
Set it off using a blasting cap made of 50/50 potassium chlorate and reloading powder.

archive.org/details/milmanual-tm-31-210-improvised-munitions-handbook

Fuck the anarchist cookbook, that will kill you.

Use the good ol' to 31-210 instead.
What's wrong shill?
==SCARED?=+

The leader was just an insane retard, trying to build a holy army. Too bad he decided to hold them in a giant cardboard box. The authorities could have just shot through all the walls until everyone was dead if it wasn't for the woman and children inside that they killed anyway. The only effective way to get rid of religious fanatics is killing them all anyway if you excuse my edginess.

rotten.com/library/bio/religion/cult/david-koresh/

Not arguing that. It's an example of what NOT to do.

You want more psyops carried out on the public?
Actually read the link that I posted, it's fascinating as well as worth the time and effort. What happened there was a testing ground for techniques that will be used on us.

Now here's what I wonder. There appear to be competing theories on which method of Guerilla warfare is more effective, rural or urban. From history is appears that rural wins out more often than urban, but I am only a novice

Makes sense. What would constitute "illegal weapons," just so I can get a notion of what that actually means? Is that like… rocket launchers or shit?

I'm Europoor so here anything above semi-automatic is illegal, but I assume your gun laws are much more lax.

I'd love for more psyops to be carried out upon the villainy.

Yes, I am scared.

I like the ability to control most of my action with a bullet instead of something as sloppy as explosives.

Rural is better, but urban can work to.

Guns are defensive weapons.
But if you want to assassinate an individual, make a slam-bang and chamber it for 12 gauge.

Impossible to trace and reasonably effective.
If you make the barrel long it won't produce much noise either.

Top kek, he was a huge faggot and a racemixer, still made a bunch of nogs an hero.

He basically started an IRL CtR and then killed them all/made them an hero(some actually did ingest cyanide)

Or Vietnam.

That's what I'm thinking. I'm going through Mao and Che's stuff right now. A revolutionary base is a solid idea that could easily work in America. Crazy to think that there are still red rebels in places like turkey and Peru that have been fighting since the 60s and still control that territory.

It's just that it's hard to maintain opsec the more people are in it.
Also; how do you prevent commie infiltration?
Not arguing against it, just pointing out practical weaknesses that have to overcome.

Decentralizing it would be your best bet.

Pretty much what I expected. It's funny how a governmental entity that investigates criminals all day can't even keep their lies straight. We should start a petition to abolish the ATF. It obviously won't work, but it could get enough attention to cause a bit of a ruckus.

If the NFA gets repealed they will be missing a good chunk of their influence.
Might be a good place to start.

There were accusations that M60 machine guns were being hoarded. I remember seeing a photo of a burned-out blockhouse with something on top that looked like an M60 barrel and bipod. The big question was, if they had multiple 7.62 NATO support weapons (and more), why weren't there more BATF casualties?

For the record, I was serving in the Army at the time and was an M60 gunner, so I'm pretty familiar with the havoc they can wreak.

Agreed, and I feel like this could use a separate thread instead of hijacking Waco.
Bump for proper discussion

Props to you, you are a primary target on the battlefield. Takes balls of steel to be that.

Morale not Moral

My bad I'm tired.

Yup, thanks

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Ah, so you've got a ban on automatic weapons too then. I didn't know that. But what about this ATF outfit then? It has a somewhat strange story, coming out of the prohibition corruption or some such? Also, can't say I've heard much about them before or after the events those years. Were they assigned to take the fall or something so as to not taint other intel brands? Are they still operating in the same sense?

from anon5
"Waco was a cover up in relation to child trafficking/sex rings, but not in the way you immediately think.

The Waco Compound & the "cult" that was in it was part of a "underground railroad" type network that was saving children from Elite child sex rings in the US and getting them to safety.

With that being said, that explains the significant response(to the point of sending in tanks & burning the place down & shooting everyone one inside to death) against the "cult"/Compound & the following coverup.

Many, many more children died in that compound then what was officially reported.(Shot,burn't,crushed) It was a clean up operation.

Waco was televised so much inorder to send a message to similar child saving networks."

Anything to back that up, or just hearsay?

It's far worse than that.
Watch LoGH for some insight into how democratic nations work.

Die a little inside, then come back.
It was probably just incompetence and lack of long term thinking.

look into it yourself

It is a quote.

I tried watching that, but I can't stand the crap factor. Still, I can't imagine it can teach me anything Machiavelli didn't. Democracy is of course a joke, in more than one sense.

What I'm talking about here is more something akin to public relations. We have faces and groups to interface with the plebs and you can learn a lot just by observing them.

Then read the book. I hate anime so I just read the novel's.

Thanks, but nope. It takes balls of steel to be kicking in doors with an M4. Heavy support gunners are only needed to suppress known targets. You're much more likely to be shot in the 'operator' or 'bleeding edge' role.

That said, the next time you see a homeless white man in his 40's begging for change, ask him if he served. And if he did, do the right thing by him.

I've done all right but there's thousands that didn't. See attached.

It's a roleplayer from 4/pol/

I served EOD for 8 years in Iraq.
I know what you mean, but from a non-combat role like mine all of you seem like balls of steel.

But the only reason I advocate guerrilla warfare is because I've seen how effective it is.
You know what IEDs do.

13 year veteran of the meme wars here. I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.

It explains everything very nicely, including telephone calls from inside and outside the compound, video footage from the siege and communication tapes put out by the people inside during the siege.

It also goes into the inquiry that ensued and shows that it was an entirely democrat versus republican issue. The democrats were unsurprisingly pretty pleased with the outcome and really didn't seem to care that over 70 people died, while the republicans wanted the FBI and ATF hung publicly.

or entertain the possibility, in light of very incoherent facts

The explanation they gave the public: We came in to save the kids Koresh is marrying, by killing them ad everyone else. Does this make sense to you? Why burn the place to the ground. why the tanks? Why this superhumn effort to destroy Waco, "for the kids" (????!!?), but in the face of pizzagate, their efforts are to cover up any and all evidence? The explanations are totally incoherent.

Read about Waco with thee considerations, and you may start to see it in a very different light.

The evidence was of course burned to the ground, machine gunned and run over by tanks. "For the kids inside".

Only ten years here.
I got in trouble for shitposting from a secure laptop once.

I must say I'm ambivalent about this. There haven't been a just war in the west for a long time, and no draft for almost as long. I'd agree if someone was forced into war, but the last one of those was Vietnam.

If someone goes voluntarily to fight for degenerates and gets traumatized or wounded to the degree that they can't function, that puts them on par with other people with self inflicted problems for me. Like drug users and the like.

.25 shekels have been deposited in your account

Don't you mean Soros points?
I'm pretty sure they stopped paying real money at this point.

Did some quick searches, can't find anything. So I'll just put it in the rumors with no way of verifying box.

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nine Bradley Fighting Vehicles armed with gas grenades and five tanks

It's their fucking solution to everything.

Check the other threads, he's another one of those "insiders" who have been making threads on 4/pol/.

archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/subject/knowledge bomb/username/anonymous5/page/1/

It's either terminal autism or a shilling campaign to destroy whatever's left of the board.

There is an old meme that applies here; you can't piss in an ocean of piss.

Read the explanations for Waco and try to make sense of them. It is very obvious there was something else going on.

Like usual, Hillary right in the middle of it, pressing Janet Reno, Vince Foster. Both now dead, Reno the day before the election.

archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/100222892/#q100228234
Looks like he didn't even bother googling what Ruby Ridge was before making that up.

Bong here. I don't understand why you Yanks have a distinct unit for alcohol, tobacco (wtf?), firearms and explosives.
Most of that is handled by HM Customs and excise and the police here.
Why do you have so many alphabet agencies?

If a siege like that happened in UK, it would be a job for the army special forces; not some stupid cunts who can't drive a tank.
But we don't have Posse Comitatus. Thank God.

(((ok)))

I agree. Still would need more to go on than nothing though. Any explanation isn't necessarily better than no explanation.

All things are ways to undermine the state.
Alcohol and Tobacco you can simply create in your basement and sell under the table, cutting Uncle Sam out of his (heavy) tax percentage.
Firearms and explosives not earning you a whole mess of hassle for not ponying up 10K to carry around are of course the state's biggest fear.

Term "Conspiracy theorist" coined by CIA in 1967 to discredit critics.

you can start with this.

apfn.org/apfn/elites.htm

Look at the explanations for Waco with a critical eye, you will see clearly that you're being lied to.

they couldnt subdue Afghanistan, Ill take my chances

youtu.be/RNby8Z95D4o
youtu.be/Xr9pQ1pIbiU
youtu.be/ajvZYcQgmzI

I've heard that their where a lot more kids in the bunker, maybe pizza arrived before the ATF came knocking. or intercepted from the air field about 3 miles aways

Was the term "autism" invented to discredit retards who can't even read 9 underlined words?

If you're such a newfag that you don't even know about the Sunstein cognitive infiltration paper you're in no position to judge whether or not a theory is credible,

Do (((you))) mean the Ruby Ridge where the Marshals and FBI siged Weaver's residence and killed his son, wife and dog?

Great starting point to search, waco and Ruy Ridge.

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it was hillary

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The terminology is a tool, nothing more.

This is a red herring.

The "theory" of what happened in Waco, if you want to call it that, is totally incredible. But you will never hear the news reporters or their station heads described as conspiracy theorists.

Texas allows automatic weapons, you just need the right license. The initial raid was based on the Davidians owning shit they weren't licensed for.

The reason I started to question was that the response seemed unusually strong. Religious nutjobs stockpiling firearms is what Texas calls 'Tuesday'.

delta force was on scene at waco as "advisors"

It's a bit off topic, but I'm just interested in gun laws. What do you have to do for the right sort of license for this? Is it hard to get, etc.?

You can say that again. Speaks for that other Anons theory that there was something more than just making a statement going on. Still, hard to say what.

youtube.com/watch?v=jFOBvCxx3qo Dr. Pierce's take on what happened.

so 6.5 billion people?
gas self

She made two disinformation documentaries about Waco that claimed a flamethrower tank was used, to discredit the movement that sprang up following the siege.

She was also the source of the Beachgrove, ID "FEMA Camp" video that Glenn Beck used to "debunk" the existence of FEMA camps all together.

Are you the LARPer from those threads or just a turbo autist?

Both of you can stop. The 'child abuse' accusation WAS ONLY BROUGHT OUT AFTER THE SIEGE WENT WRONG.

There was no child abuse mentioned pre-'fire'.

I challenge either of you to find an officially sanctioned article dated anytime between February 8 1993 and February 15 1993 which documents child abuse by Branch Davidian.

gore site pretty based, as typical

OK. I understand the tax thing.
My point was really to do with Waco and how the US government wouldn't or couldn't send in some proper military units to rescue those who needed rescuing and end the siege without recourse to what is basically a fucking tax collecting agency.

I can't help but think that the US government was either utterly incompetent or in some way complicit. Either way it was a monumental fuck up.
Kids died in a fire. Someone ordered a fucking tank to go in. What the fuck?
I'm ex British Army and we could operate (and do) on UK clay. It can be a two edged sword. But and it is a BIG but; the military in my country swear an oath to Her Majesty, not the government and not the country. Honestly, if some shit like Waco happened here it would get sorted quickly, because Her Majesty's subjucts would be in danger. And that is not acceptable.

You wouldn't volunteer for what I did, but I wouldn't do FEBA EOD to save my soul.

I read 'Braver Men Walk Away' by Peter Gurney and it's the most frightening thing I've ever read.

Thanks, but I'd rather be a gunner.

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Automatic weapons made after 1986 are illegal.
You can still get ahold of them if you have a class 3 dealers license assuming you own a gunstore.
Any made before that date can be bought and sold by anyone, but it requires a $200 transfer tax.
Since there is a non renewable supply, transferable machineguns are extremely expensive.

Mostly because the Feds didn't have any real domestic law enforcement capability for a long time, other than US Marshals I think the others came about in early 1900s. So they were kind of added over time until the point where they started making each other redundant.

Sounds nice. Not paying taxes legally is the actual biggest crime in the States.

That ghillie suit sucks.

It was just a fuckup. It happens.

This triggers me no end. Couldn't he have made it to cover his shoes. This is like those pictures where someone took a bite out of the pizza crust or someone cemented one tile the wrong way.

glorious liberal backfire

For a short time, if you hit the optic in question. Much better to try to get it onto the engine intake.

Ahahahahhahahhaaaaa holy shit you're a colossal retard. There are two possibilities. The main gun breech is closed, in which there's no effect, or the main gun breech is open, in which you've annoyed an AFV crew.

You know what? You should go and try some of these tactics.

40 Gen Xer here too, can concur.

I remember attempting to research this at the library and digging through microfishe, old newspaper stacks and finding a lot of words - but little substance.

All of the victims, especially of the supposed sexual abuse by Koresh, were absent.

As far as I can tell, he was cucking his male followers and when they left, they would say he was raping and holding them against their will out of butthurt.

The initial ATF raid was soooo fucking sloppy and shortsighted. They got their asses handed to them.

I dare you to find any information that hasn't been scrubbed or altered outside of the narrative, and it is only getting worse.

It was the first time I realized that the talking heads were just talking heads and journalism was a facade.

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2588106/We-werent-brainwashed-Waco-cult-survivor-claims-new-memoir-Branch-Davidian-leader-David-Koresh-19-wives-slept-girls-young-12.html

That's the amount of brainwashing it takes to have 19 wives. Too much work for me I must admit.

She has good whore genes.
lloydianaspects.co.uk/evolve/breasts.html

youtu.be/8AevLyTR6lM

Ahem, captain faggot.

And,
m.youtube.com/watch?v=r6Eaqfi6gZg

You sir, are a homosexual.

Also, bampu

The docu in question

lel

There was certainly something there that isn't told in the media.
Something deep state. That's the only reason why they would bring fucking TANKS against a bunch of supposed religious wackos, women and a lot of children. They attacked them with flammable gas which basically roasted them alive. Whenever the federal government goes all out after someone, like Dorner, you can be sure there's something behind it.

It was a message to the rest of the prepper and liberty burgers that the federal government has absolute control and that the 4th is basically scrapped.
You also have to take into account that the 90' were marked by a push against the Federal government. Bill Cooper and a lot of other "conspiracy theorists" were making a big impact on the people. Especially since the senior Bush went full retard on announcing NWO. Which got drowned in 9/11 and a lot of the younger ones don't remember that.

This is the one you want, OP

Sorry for being late to the thread. If you are going to start somewhere A New Revelation is it. I see that Rules of Engagement was just mentioned and A New Revelation was made by one one of the authors a few years later and it is in my opinion more complete and to the point. He also did The FLIR Project if you want a more complete knowledge about what is on those tapes.

Most importantly A New Revelation covers the high explosive charge on the Vault and the blast damage to the people inside. This alone makes it superior to most material out there.

By the way, if you want to move on to the Oklahoma City bombing then A Noble Lie is recommended: youtube.com/watch?v=vHDIhxeMOcI

I can't remember any such standout documentary for Ruby Ridge but then it is a much more simple event. I'll see if can find one I can recall.

Thanks for the tips, Rambo. When are you starting the race war, again? Tuesday?

Jesus. Napalm will do jack shit to an actual military tank or fighting vehicle. The air intake systems is designed to cope. Here's some 1960 tech youtube.com/watch?v=MiWCpIJ5dBw#t=18m20s

The magazines of a tank are not connected to the gun. Shells are transported from the turret magazine to the gun when reloading and kept behind a blast door precisely to keep it the fuck away from any damage to the gun or front of the turret hull.

As a third-generation veteran, it hurts my heart to say you have a point around voluntary service. But just because they volunteer doesn't mean they don't deserve post-service support.

Sure thing torposter.

Next you will tell me EFPs won't wreck a tank or APC.

David Koresh was charismatic as heck - it seems like the government and its allies always seek to discredit or indeed kill those that are charismatic enough to lead people and yet remain outside of their hollywood/msm sphere of control. Koresh was uncontrollable. Also he played a wicked electric guitar.

You can disable a tank with a rifle if you know where to aim. No, I'm not going to post that information on a Laotian wicker weaving forum. You can also immobilize a tank with a pit trap lined with heavy logs set upright. You can also choose not to engage the tank and instead wait for it to run out of fuel.

The real lesson from Waco is an old one: "fixed fortifications are a monument to the stupidity of man."

Cults are usually powered by dank riffs.

Do you seriously believe that the tank was just standing there doing nothing for a good minute? with enemy infantry behind it and no support from friendly infantry whatsoever?
Keep in mind the tank did not move or anything either, and as I'm sure you can tell the first grenade down the barrel did absolutely nothing apart from give the illusion that the tank fired.

What do you think the odds are that a handheld grenade has more explosives than the propellant of a 125mm shell?

Bill Cooper was a hero. You won't get more woke Waco coverage than this.

I lived in Hou during the whole incident but alas I was firmly asleep during that time period. I do remember going to NOLA and seeing a t-shirt in a bar with the following pro govt message. The seven signs revealed to David Koresh was the print and all signs were the insignia's (or badges) of the ATF, FBI, US marshals, Texas Rangers, etc.
The other thing I read a long time ago was that Koresh knew a lot of the ATF I think and would see them at a local gun range when they were shooting. The author wondered why if so many feds knew him why they couldn't just go and talk to him quietly with out the need for a big ass holocaust on their little commune. There was a lot of things during this time that I never paid any attention to. It was pre webs, newspaper and tv only need apply.

Underrated post. Best presentation on the subject by far.

I'm sorry. I'm having trouble following your /k/ool lingo. Are you implying that people can make their own guns? I mean, I suppose they can but what I mean is, are you implying that people can make their own useful guns? If so, what would be their reliability?

slam-action firearms are just two thick pipes, one the diameter of the round you're firing, the other large enough to fit the "barrel" inside of it, and has a nail or something to hit the striker and fire the round. I'll let you put anything further together in your head.

the key to waco is janet reno.
janet reno was the child molester. she was godless feminist, butt face ugly, in bed with the pederasts, and climbed the ladder of legal 'profession' by fake sex scandal / protect the children again and again and again. she was hillary clone 1.0.

you will never find anything going for waco. look to janet reno. she did this. there are other such disaster (((media firestorm blockbuster live action movies))). she was their puppet in the judicial-activist side, while bill and hillary were the puppets on the electoral-party side.

janet reno = waco.
waco = janet reno.

Everyone is talking about Waco, and that was crazy, but it was sort of unclear at to exactly what happened with the fire. Obviously it was grossly mishandled.

Ruby Ridge was seriously fucked up though. They just straight up murdered those people. Like, no question about it. They tried to force that guy to infiltrate the Aryan Nation (or something like that), and he refused, so they kept harassing him. Eventually they sent some people up there to snoop around, and ended up shooting his dog and and son who ran into them in the woods. A marshall got shot too. Then they decided to try to pretty much murder everyone.

The wiki is fairly extensive. http s://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge

Excerpt from the wiki:
FBI Deputy Assistant Director Danny Coulson wrote a memo:

OPR 004477
Something to Consider
1. Charge against Weaver is Bull Shit.
2. No one saw Weaver do any shooting.
3. Vicki has no charges against her.
4. Weaver's defense. He ran down the hill to see what dog was
barking at. Some guys in camys shot his dog.
Started shooting at him. Killed his son. Harris did the

shooting [of Degan]. He [Weaver] is in pretty strong legal position.

THEY DIDN'T DAVIDIAN SO GOOD

The problem with both of these incidents was a lack of communication between the agencies involved in the operations, leading to panic and poor judgment. People are too quick to mistake incompetence for malevolence.

No of course not. It's really a shame that the system they serve doesn't provide proper aftercare for them. Not knowing how things are isn't an excuse in our day and age though and when it comes to charity they can get in line with everyone else having self-inflicted problems.

Not that they should be disrespected or anything, like some leftists seem to get off on. I will even mellow out my previous statement a bit. Stupid and brave is above stupid and hedonistic, so me comparing it to drug users wasn't completely fair. Still, so many in our society today get their life ruined by no fault of their own.

Ruby Ridge was not just incompetence, and the people in those agencies aren't drones. The FBI snipers decided to shoot unarmed people. No one was forcing them to do that.

Was Waco a group of militarized, computer-savvy fundamentalist right wingers with a bone to pick with the corrupt federal government?

Was Waco the oft-fantasized self-sufficient Holla Forumslack commune?

There was poor communication between the ATF, the marshals and the FBI from the beginning. Some agents were encouraging Weaver to surrender while others were ready to snipe at literally the same time, and after the first man was killed. Lack of communication is obvious so long as you suspend your belief that the government is inherently evil for a minute while looking through the reports.

Vid related.

It's super interesting how after this documentary came out proving the use of incendiaries on the compound, as well as solid evidence of shaped charges and gunfire originating from the fucking government (a sniper who worked on the task force was also at Ruby Ridge) and during a truce, the investigation was shut down by presiding member of the investigation committee, Chuck Schumer. No shit, this is the guy who has spearheaded several anti-gun measures with Feinstein and is the uncle of the harpy Amy Schumer.

The entire case was crooked as hell. The Branch Davidians were nutty, for sure, does that mean the feds should be able to just murder them? None of the accusations were ever proven as far as I know. This is a real life case of Greedo shooting first. The federal government went in guns blazing for no discernible reason and killed a bunch of women and kids who claimed the government was Babylon.

Haven't seen this in the thread, yet. If the government starts going after their own people in the US, that's the moment they lose. Interesting perspective from an alleged US gov't "red team planner." Half the military would defect, even more if we had a left-wing president. Russia would come to the aid of Texas. Interesting stuff here.

Newfag here, just started listening to Bill Cooper, I don't agree with everything he says, but he's a very interesting dude. Can you elaborate on 90's militia culture? I was pretty young when it was going on and didn't have a good grasp on the Zeitgeist.

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ZOGbots will shoot their own children on command.

Texas is now Mexico.

I feel like I dodged a proverbial bullet there in hindsight.

I'll show you a fuckup in your eye.

The term 'conspiracy theorist' was turned into a pejorative to marginalize people.

Die.

wtf they actually did that?

All of which makes pic related pretty delicious.

ATF/FBI SIEGE TRANSCRIPTS
archive.org/details/FBITranscripts
archive.org/details/FBITranscripts
archive.org/details/FBITranscripts
TRANSCRIPTS OF THE 247 TAPES DETAILING THE EVENTS OF THE BRANCH DAVIDIAN COMPOUND SIEGE, MINUTE BY MINUTE

It would have been even more awesome had Reno actually said that.

OH SHIT, I ALMOST FORGOT, THESE ARE ALL OCR'D, FULL-TEXT SEARCHABLE DOCS.

False flag memes

A large village in Texas contained guns, amazing.

Why are you asking here instead of simply Googling it?
(he's here to sow fear and pessimism)

Psst, a little secret for you.
Don't get your information about forensics from CSI.
Shotguns have a fingerprint, just like rifled weapons.

Yeah when you're by your lone self.

Also the Davidians weren't intending nor preparing to go up against the government. If they had then that tank would've been dodging RPGs.

Leave the kid alone, she thinks that air superiority can hold territory and that reminding us of US air power will demoralize everyone.
Too bad that Holla Forums knows that to take territory you need to send in ground troops.
Example: Serbia. Pounded for 72 days straight by US air forces, total enemy casualties, a few hundred.

>, still believes ballistics fingerprinting isn't pseudoscience *and* also that it somehow works for single-use "shotguns" made of two pieces of galvanized pipe from Home Depot.
Lurk moar.

I don't need to lurk but you need to open a ballistics textbook.

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Forgot this part:

Of course it fucking works, you retard.
Your disposable weapon is no less "fingerprintable" than a production weapon, in fact it's all the easier to match because if it's found, there's going to be ZERO doubt that it was the murder weapon.
At least with a production shotgun there are thousands of any type in circulation.
In either case you still need to dispose of the weapon.
A disposed of production weapon is just as gone as a disposed of slam gun.

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Doubling down on pseudoscience doesn't make it true, newfag.

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Essentially they were saying they had illegal machine guns. While they did have bump fire stocks, those were and still are completely legal. The Clintons actually used this to push through the AWB in 94. Which was the entire point if you ask me.

Tooling marks and ballistics are about as deterministic and Newtonian as you could hope to get.
It's pseudoscience, if physics is a pseudoscience.

Write some more words from your "how to outgroup on Holla Forums" manual.
Because you obviously just got here.

Oh shit. I just realized what you're trying to do.
You're a fed trying to spread the idea that weapons can't get tracked down via forensics.
Holy shit guys.
THIS THREAD IS UNDER FED CONTROL.

*unsheathes katana*

It's also false unless it's a 30 mm or something similar. Tank cannons are single shot breach loaders. Like an artillery cannon.

I'm sure you believe in polygraphs too. Because, you know, "physics".

Sperg much? Or did you just forget to take your methylphenidate?

Try to change the subject all you like. Forensics based upon tool impressions is an empirical discipline based upon physics and mechanics.
Took you long enough to think up this reply, outed as fuck. Gas yourself fed scum.
As if any more evidence were needed.

This entire board is under FED control, fam. Take a look at the ban list, any topic which goes against the alt-right agenda of sucking Israeli and Government dick is outlawed. These people are so transparent they even ban talk of veganism because they don't want to upset the meat and dairy lobbyists that help line their wallets.

Holla Forums got conned and co-opted, gg no re.

The question of whether or not a bomb in the barrel would do anything is irrelevant since it is ridiculous LARPing to think it is realistic to expect people to climb up onto tanks and insert things into the barrel.

Filtered for blatant disinfo.

Not him, but if you think you can get a signature off of a bunch of randomly little balls flying down a barrel is retarded.

Maybe with a slug.

Go post some more memes, faggot. Or better yet look at all the topics currently being discussed here, they're identical to alt-right shitholes like /r/the_donald. We've been co-opted. Look at the ban list.

The pattern isn't entirely random.

What? You managed to compose your reply into a single post without losing your train of thought? Impressive for you.

Clearly, you're the fed because you're promoting this pseudoscience "omniscient fed CSI technique" bullshit in a transparent attempt to make everyone buy into your lies about investigatory capabilities of the government. Next up, you'll tell us how bite mark forensics are "tooling" too (and somehow scientific).

Go back to your shill cave.

omg i love communism now.

More likely because veganism is a front for Cultural Marxism. And the alt-right gets ripped all the time, never seen anyone banned for it.

For the last time, analysis of ballistics and tool impressions is physics and mechanics. You can spout the power-word "pseudoscience" all you like, it may work well on Reddit, along with your "I'm intelligent" italics, but it won't get you far here.

not really if we're talking urban warfare. going after the tracks is a much more viable option, however.

Maybe if you repeat it enough times it will become true!

You'd also sound like a potato chip bag when you move, and you'd sweat like a pig. Better than getting anally probed by a drone I suppose.

For the last time, fed, you can lie all you want about this technique but that doesn't make it true. You went full retard when you tried to shill that it works for shot as well. Just like polygraphs and bite mark forensics, simply asserting that "physics" is involved doesn't make it a validated tool that produces reproducible results.

Not

>erry person in teh world could rize up an still git pud down

Right, and jews want to be the lords od a boneyard, right? People who wabt to rule are fine with killing everyone that serves under them, so long as they have a title.

No, you're retarded.

Any military commander with more than a couple of braincells to knock together knows you don't send armor into urban environments.
You use APC's and infantry for that.
And if you absolutely have to, they're being screened by infantry.

koresh was a product of mkultra. as was jim jones. call them "experiments in charisma".

"I…if I just turn the accusation around, no one will remember."
Too bad you didn't restrict your bullshit to shotgun forensics and instead claimed the entirety of firearm forensics is "pseudoscience", too late to back track now.
You're the only one who mentioned those, in a desperate attempt to change the subject to something soft and subjective.
It's not my post which validates the science, it's the fact that it's based upon deterministic mechanistic, reproducible processes, i.e physics.

Carry on telling people that they can murder their opponents and not get caught because ballistics, physics, mechanics and materials science are "pseudoscientific", the warning has been posted, so further conversation with you serves no purpose.

Which force's doctrine is that?

I see you've walked back your original assertion that the technique works for shot. Thought you could slip that by us? Try again.

"Muh physics" …so are bite marks and so are polygraphs. The government has shilled those forensic tools as well, but they are subjective interpretations subject to human fallacies just like this ballistics fingerprinting. Or are you now going to cite your fed journals with "scientific studies" that "prove" how this technique is totally scientific, "trust us goys!" The feds tried to make the same claims about polygraphs and bite marks before they got btfo. Yet here you are trying to shill us into believing that this shit is science even though these examiners wouldn't be able to pass a true double blind study on *bullets*, much less shot. We can see through your deceit.

The one that doesn't want to see his armor destroyed.

Never watched the armed conflict in Syria? They made the stupid mistake of sending armor into the cities once.

Learn to take no for an answer
filtered.

Right. Thing is, as far as I'm aware, armor is acknowledged as a necessary element in modern urban warfare.
Yes I saw the Syrians send in poorly trained, disorganized armor elements without infantry support.

Yeah, MRAPS and APC's, not tanks.
They're not maneuverable enough on city streets and easily ambushed.

Came up empty searching for backing for your assertions? Ah, no matter… as long as you stop shilling your lies I'm fine with you believing you won.

Tanks are still used despite their weaknesses.
Infantry protects the tanks from RPG.
Video - 1:30 Fallujah, lots of tanks.

At 2:18 they actually kill an RPG gunner.
Theory in action.

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That's Fallujah, population around 350,000 at the time. Thanks for confirming your cluelessness. Such a tank expert as yourself should have heard of the battle of Fallujah.
application of American armor, namely the M1A2 Abrams tank. The
Abrams was able to take enormous punishment and continue operating.
In many instances, these tanks received multiple hits from RPG-7s, which
failed to penetrate the heavy armor; even large improvised explosives failed
to knock tanks out. Although the actual number is not currently released to
the public, contemporary media reports show only two Abrams tanks were
destroyed during this bitter battle. The tactics used by the Americans offset
the inherent design weaknesses of tanks in the cities. Operating in pairs,
tanks covered each other while others remained a short distance behind
lending support. The same can be said about the Bradley vehicles, although
their armor was far less capable. The Marines had dispersed their tanks to
provide direct support to the riflemen, and this time-honored tactic worked
to destroy systematically tough enemy positions.
casualty rate for an urban fight of this size. It reaffirmed the capabilities of
heavy armor in cities.
heavy armor in cities.

"Breaking the Mold
Tanks in the Cities"
Combat Studies Institute Press, Fort Leavenworth, Kansas 66027
www.cgsc.edu/carl/download/csipubs/gott_tanks.pdf
End of discussion.

Oh newfriend, you are supposed to lurk until you know how shit works first.

I laughed at your comment. The richest people pay fuck all. And my country makes it easy for the them - Bermuda, Gibraltar, Cayman Islands, Hong Kong (special economic area in China). ??
In Bongland it's probably the same. I don't know because I'm self employed and pay an accountant to make sure I'm legal.
He saves my family and I loads of coin. All legal, but he's a clever bastard. He knows the law and I don't; that's why I pay him.
I don't mind paying some taxes, but we are taxed so much - TV license, road tax, VAT (value added tax), income tax, water rates, inheritance tax, ….etc
The air I breathe hasn't been taxed (yet).

Your footage is not showing any urban combat.

Go watch footage from actual urban combat in Syria and look up armor losses in the early years of the war, after that look up how armor is now deployed in urban combat.

Then you might do well by getting a strong piece of rope and hanging yourself.

Also you just typed it your motherfucking self: old shit-tier weapons vs modern tanks.

The sand rats in Syria have better equipment and look what they did to the SAA.

Its a much more even comparison than the single most well funded military in the world vs sandniggers too.

Veteran's have too many opportunities and free stuff to be homeless without being an alcoholic or druggie.
And being a gunner in a humvee (support gunner of sorts) makes you a prime target. Gtfo mr. Didn't serve

your document with decades old coffee stains removed:

8ch.net/pdfs/res/4589.html

Interesting thread. Love to see the slide attempts. Was in the anon5 waco thread and its intriguing his info nuggets are being explored and expanded upon here. An user posted this link apfn.org/apfn/elites.htm and I'm wondering how much we can prove or disprove any points raised there. Knowing what we now know of the scale of the crimes of the clintons/cia I couldn't in all honesty immediately dismiss this as tinfoil. The theory that the waco incident was just a terrible case of poor communication and leadership is kind of equating hillarys deletion of her emails as a silly grandma with a cloth. It's pretty obvious everyone was ment to die in that compound in a shock and awe assassination.

Wondering if there is any mention of the disks either in the transcripts or the testamonies of the Davidians

Maybe anon5 is just LARPING but the in the last months our eyes have certainly been opened to many crazy fucked up things.

One more thing, in the original anon5 thread an user said the Davidians had film footage of kids being loaded on to planes at the airbase and reading the article linked above it seems now very likely they did. Can we track that footage down?

ctrl-f 468e68 makes it clear this is a slide/demoralization thread, but whatever.

They weren't their own people. They don't care about the plebs, but they certainly don't see flyoverland as anything but a hindrance.

Nothing wrong with pointing out weak points on tanks, there are plenty of them. But knowing weakpoints of mraps is probably more important.

what is anon5?

Anonymous5 is an user that drops 'knowledge bombs' on half chan. He made a thread on Waco last week or the week before. What he/she said was

Which is all the reason for people to taint it with lies and misinformation. See:

That kike Sunstein wrote about it openly in 2008(?) do you really think those parasites aren't doing it now?

Sure, I fully understand. However, take FBIanon for example. Some say he was a disinfo agent. Regardless if he was or not it was the spark for /cfg/ and that effort dragged up a whole lot of shit on hillary and the foundation and led us down some pretty dark paths. We know the clintons were involved in the coke running back then so it is not suprising a little kiddie trafficking has now been suggested into the mix too. I'm not saying taking a fresh look at Waco will bring any dividends but if there is some basis for the coke/kids/arms trafficking and it is somehow connected to the clintons where will the investigation be pointed to next? What info will be dragged to light that could help expose yet more crimes still in the dark.

I believe nothing until I see proof I just keep an open mind until that point. Dogma just helps conceal the truth. That's what we're doing here right? Seeking the truth?

Thanks, I don't go there and I've been away a few weeks. What happened to screencaps? Why are we refering to tripfaggotry?

I'm not saying he's wrong, I have no idea, but I'm not seeing any corroborating evidence. I'm not quite as old, but I'm a gun guy who remembers that era, and as far as I know, Waco was and

What? You have the retards kick in doors, they don't know or understand the odds.

Holy shit, I just watched the documentary and that was something. Excellently done, great wealth information on something I knew nothing about and left me with a good 2spooky4me. Also, fuck Chuck ((Schumer)) and Joe Biden.

Waco was some shit.

Apparently so, according to Rules of Engagement at least.

Truly it is, think about it Natsoc memes can effect anyone, ANYONE on the planet. Send a Pepe to Trump, it's like a subliminal mindfuck. They don't even need to know what the meme means as long as they spread it themselves. Social media has become a huge outlet where we are the wolves.

Not to mention, what will happen when most of you fucks grow up? You guys are the next doctors, lawyers, hell even presidents and generals.

Deep down inside the minds of some of the most important and powerful men of the future are the seeds of dissent laid by us

Born in 81 first they said illegal weapons then later the child molester meme was born ive heard okc rumors too

yes they played animal sounds and other fucked up shit i think i remember that a small psyops detachment was calling those shots. They still use similar tactics today for "enhanced" interrogation as far as i know. I remember at least one news broadcast you could hear it in the backgrpund i was young and thought it was creepy as fuck. Check youtube maybe 20/20 or dateline or major network nightly news for waco you can probably hear it if you dig

It was a bunch of pigs itching to murder people, play with their toys, show domination, and politics.

I specifically remember a major network saying they were playing recordings of rabbits being slaughtered.

There have been occasional rumblings about the need for the ATF to be dismantled and put into other organizations like the FBI. Nothing ever seems to come of it and they continue to chug along.

I got in trouble for sending and receiving classified emails from a private server :(

wat

So that means that, theoretically speaking, when all the old automatic weapons are gone/decayed, Burgers will effectively no longer have funz?

Most likely this. I'm a bit young to remember Waco, but our generation's equivalent is the Boston bombing. I'll never forget seeing a major American city shut down, with residents ordered to stay in their homes as tanks rolled through the streets, all because of two teenage boys and the supposedly apocalyptic threat they posed to public safety. The cops were literally invading people's houses and crawling around on their roofs, and then, after they declared the "perimeter" safe and called it a day, one of the terrorists was discovered bleeding to death in someone's yard. I'd never seen American citizens humiliated to such a degree, and it forever changed how I look at our government.

That stupid false flag attack is in no way comparable to the government going psycho like they did at Waco.

It's not directly comparable and no, they didn't murder anyone, but they psychologically manipulated an entire city into staying in their homes out of fear. That's impressive.

Where were you? IT doesn't need to be bloody for the federal government to make their point.
These guys went full Iraq for a couple of days after two teenagers.
This shit was a show of force and an exercise for the real thing.

Is this bitch seriously pointing a rifle at someone making a picture of his traitorous ass?

Would it be worth it if Trump released the truth about what happened?

So 9/11 was done for oil or because there was a danger that people would escape the federal government?

Fucking newfags pouring in from the elections. Stop pretending to be part of the group and lurk your fucking moths. Nothing that's come up in the last months is news to anyone.

Watch A New Revelation for updates. Care to tell me if my memory is correct by the way, and that the high explosive charge on the vault wasn't covered in Rules of Engagement?

Only if they find it.
Only if they have a lead.
Only if you are connected with someone.

Also: you can replace shotgun shot with nails.
How the fuck are they gonna trace that?

Also; a stolen firearm is pretty much untraceable if you are not connected to the person it was stolen from.

No, there is nothing about explosives on the vault in RoE.

have some red pills on confrontation with the US government

The 51-day Waco siege standoff and resulting 76 deaths—the Branch Davidians—in Waco, Texas. (The standoff began on February 28, 1993, twelve days before Reno was installed as Attorney-General.) Reno in congressional testimony stated that she authorized the FBI assault on the Branch Davidians because of reports that militia groups were en route to Waco during the standoff "either to help [Branch Davidian leader David] Koresh or to attack him."[16] Reno publicly expressed her regret of the decision to storm the compound, and accepted full responsibility for the loss of life.[17]
Bringing suit against the software company Microsoft for violation of the Sherman Antitrust Act.[18]
Prosecution resulting in the conviction of 21 of the Montana Freemen after an 81-day armed standoff which ended without loss of life.[19]
Capture and conviction of Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber.[20][21]
Capture and conviction of Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols for the Oklahoma City bombing.[20][21]
Capture and conviction of those who conducted the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, resulting in life-sentences of Sheik Omar Abdel-Rahman and four conspirators.

Copypasta, but, she's connected to a lot.

They weren't wrong, either. This is persecution through and through. You are living in the new Babylon and will live to see Israel erect the Solomon's Temple.

I've heard stories about what happened there from my parents and grandparents. My grandparents were arrested for marching down to the civil courts to protest the massacre that happened at Waco.

My dad joined a patriot militia and my old church was part of that large militia that was just waiting for a reason to raise their guns. But unfortunately it was just waiting…all the way up until the old militia leader died.
To hear of Waco happening and my past generations of Texans doing effectively nothing about it is painful to know.

Bumping this

What are you talking about? The Oklahoma City bombing of the Federal building was a reaction to Waco.

Fuck all ya'll that weren't even living in Waco during that shitty year, I'm an user that lived in Waco during that shit that went down. Fuck Koresh and his cultists, Fuck the ATF for botching that shit all to hell and dragging the cops and sheriffs of Waco into that shit just to wag their balls around.

My mom was part of law enforcement in Waco and was just a fucking jailer but was forced out there to keep Reporters and other people from getting shot by the Davidians or getting shot by others for near 13 hours a day during all that shit, made my mom miss my 6th grade life while I was getting nearly killed in class by ghetto niggers that thought they were bloods and crips living in that shit town.

Also from my perspective at the time as a 6th grader was the Davidians were dangerous cultists that were gonna kill us all and rape children. The only people I saw hating on the law enforcement agencies were ghetto niggers living in the projects and drunk hillbillies who like to scream about the south rising again.

Also Fuck Waco in general, that town is full of shit and needs to burn down and the land salted.

lol what a shit post from a shitty user

But don't you see how many times she wrote "fuck"? Clearly with this level of emotion, it would be inhumane and heartless to doubt the narrative.
And the trump card:
They were going to rape the women and children.
Are you victim blaming?
Listen and believe, a femanon is speaking.

Replacing the shot with nails makes it easier to trace, not harder.

Got any more of these? I have a boner for forbidden books and military manuals.

The RPG-7 manual is gripping reading.
Spend 30 mins and you will know more about the system than the typical solider.

Got a link for ya boi?

For study/research purposes only.
fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/rpg-7.pdf

Oklahoma was a false flag to discredit the reactions to Bushes NWO speeches.

What a man. Fascinating read so far.

Just want to mention that the Waco siege was shilled hard in Australia at the time as "crazy pedophile christian cult burns themselves to death despite heroic government efforts to rescue the children". Hoaxes, false flags and psyops in any western country are also intended for export markets as a secondary effect.

I am a proponent of self-directed learning. I believe that one should only resort to a "teacher" when there is no other option.
Now that you have the manual - the knowledge - you just need to practice to develop the skill.
Actual infantry soldiers are lucky if they fire a single round during basic training and you can see by the scope of the manual that "familiarization" doesn't come close to knowing the system.
Practice is the tough part of course, although it's not inconceivable that you could buy a genuine sighting system on e-bay and build a mock-up training system, in order to avoid the legislative hurdles in the way of obtaining training live systems.
This way you can learn the actual weapon and be prepared to use it, should you come across one during the apocalypse. This requires dedication and resourcefulness but these are the characteristics which set the autodidact apart from the rote learner.

I was about to reply seriously to your post but then I realize that you're laughing along with me at that faggot.

I hope that one gets the shit kicked out of them

There is a link between Hillary, Vince Foster, and Waco shown in this video. It is backed by evidence and testimony brought forth in investigations related to Waco and Vince Foster's death, as shown in the video. I cut to the meat of it, but Vince Foster's suicide, his wife purporting that he was deeply troubled by Waco, and other things are covered a few minutes earlier in the video.

https://www.you^^tube.com/watch?v=Xr9pQ1pIbiU&t=93m21s

A Waco file and a Waco related letter were confirmed to have been in Vince Foster's office during the night of the search of the office.

"Secret Service agent Harry O'Neill testified that Maggie Williams was seen removing files from Foster's office on the night of his death. Thomas Castleton, an intern and Foster's assistant, also testified that he had also removed a box of files."

Maggie William's assistant, on the record and shown in the ink provided, was told that Maggie Williams, staff to the First Lady, that the box was being taken to the residence of the first lady for her personal review. On the night of Foster's death maggie williams took evidence from a crime scene and gave them to Hillary Clinton for her personal review. It's almost like every terrible thing that the government has done in the last few decades is in some way connected to the Clintons.

Sorry, it was Vince Foster's assistant, thomas castleton, that testified that maggie williams asked him to help take the files from Foster's office. Castleton testified that he was asked to take a box from vince foster's residence to hillary clinton and he did so. Apologies for shitty formatting.

Lol. What a boot licking fag.

https://www.you^^tube.com/watch?v=Xr9pQ1pIbiU&t=99m41s

The prosecutors charged the (survivors) defendants of the Waco trial with conspiracy to murder and murder, and all 11 were found innocent of those charges. They were also charged with use of a firearm to aid a felonious act, which they were found guilty of. The judge used classic jew strategy and said that since they were guilty of using a firearm in a felonious sense, their use proved that they conspired to murder and to have murdered. The judge also stacked the deaths of the Branch Davidians on their shoulders. He applied the maximum sentences available, in an almost total reversal of the jury's decisions. Interestingly, the jury that oversaw the Ruby Ridge case absolved the defendants of most of the charges brought against Weaver and the judge involved also imposed a tough sentence. Wikipedia quote:

en.wik*ipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge#Siege_and_controversy
"Weaver was ultimately acquitted of all charges except missing his original court date and violating his bail conditions, for which he was sentenced to 18 months and fined $10,000. Credited with time served, Weaver spent an additional 4 months in prison. Weaver's defense attorney, Gerry Spence, rested his case without calling any witnesses for the defense. Instead he convinced the jury to find as they did merely through his cross-examination and discrediting of the government witnesses and evidence."

All roads lead to Babylon lol

See
This is the icebreaker doc you want. It came out before the end of the 90s and so not much time had passed.
And see and
Hillary's involvement leads to Foster's death, one of the prominent figures of the Clinton bodybags.

I'm getting real sick of this line.

How? You mean because of the expelled casing?

Exactly! Foster is a crucial keystone to the Clintons and their corrupt past.

How about you address the threat topic or shut the fuck up already? If you want to discuss untraceable shotgun rounds, or how to best blow up tanks, make your own fucking thread.

BTW lol you*tube.com/watch?v=Xr9pQ1pIbiU&t=66m6s

The Army gets used to suppress political dissidents. Charles Schumer is there doubling down on his support of Waco. Delta Force was allegedly involved in the Waco siege, according to several sources in the video, some citing videotaped Congressional testimony. This documentary is dank, I can basically click to any part of it and look up what it says and find a solid bedrock. Next try is 77 minutes and 7 seconds, lessee…

https://www.you%^tube.com/watch?v=Xr9pQ1pIbiU&t=77m7s

"However in this footage made prior to the fire, two agents are seen firing projectiles from an M79 grenade launcher into the storm shelter at the north end of the building. Seconds later, white smoke pours from the shelter. According to CS expert Colonel Rex Applegate, any tear gas that creates smokes is technically considered pyrotechnic."

This documentary is worth a watch for any user. Be unpredictable and watch it, or don't, and be predictable. Or play that as your double unpredictable cover. The options are…Limitless…!

During the siege a number of congressmen took the side of the Davidians, I remember one saying something to the effect of "if this is a dispute over $200 tax stamps then the ATF should send them a fucking bill". The child abuse bullshit was trotted out to shut them up.

Oldest trick in the book but people never stop falling for it.

Also on the evening news Dan Rather read a quote from the bible in a way that implied that they set themselves on fire. I was so happy when he got his hole punched on that fake Bush scandal.

Having religious fanatics on your side is always a good thing.

I heard that Hillary personally directed white house secret service to go down to waco

they died in waco-two of them i think.

the idea being she could get rid of possible blowback from what the agents knew from the Whitehorse

You're fucking retarded. The ATF picked the fight, and then the state ended it with a massacre. Then they used their massacre to stage another massacre in the Oklahoma City Bombing, then place them blame on a Militia patsy to try and quell the growing militia movement back then. It worked.

that explains your faggotry

Yep, aiming at any movement in windows. What goes on overseas comes back. Same reason regular cops have all been wearing visible armor and molle shit nonstop for the past 5 years or so.

/thread

… You realize that the amount of energy in an EFP is far higher than a molotov, right? Yes, they work. EFPs (Explosively Formed Penetrators, common roadside IEDs used against American vehicle patrols) and shaped charges more generally require high explosives. There are two options there: either you have the kit and know-how to cook high explosives without cooking yourself as well, or you have a license that gets you access to certain quantities… Which are then capable of being tracked.

The IEDs in Trashcanistan and Iraq, as other posters have noted, are usually 155mm or other similar Soviet or Warsaw Pact surplus artillery shells, preferably multiple wired in tandem with your copper penetrator molded over it. We have access to none of this shit. As regards IEDs, Europoors actually would have an easier time getting the materials since Eastern Europe is right next door.

Molotovs rarely disable vehicles anymore because you have to get in extremely close and generally lob several to ruin the radiator. Generally you're going to get cut down by an M2, a 240B, or a 20mm or the like before you rain hellfire.

Yeah, sure an antimaterial rifle can take out some of the peripherals on armor.

Fortifications are fine. They work great in principal, but only if they're sufficiently imposing for deterrence or if you can muster relief. Obviously the Branch Davidians were too fucked to get any relief since they were taking on the ATF and various other feds. For the mean time, anyone looking to take on the guv'nah should look to stay as mobile and invisible as possible. e.g. targeted assassinations and sabotage while maintaining cover, rather than going out and doing a rampage. Not advising these things (I think it would be difficult or impossible to pull off), but these are routes for someone who's looking to cause damage.

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Get those pedoscum. Slay!!!

first step is always to spread the info as widely as possible