It's time to revive a classic Cold War technology thread

I used to post these to old 4/pol/ but I think it's time for these again. We've seen SpaceElevator and other science threads but I think it's time for Cold War technology.

Marvel at what's possible with "borrowed" Nazi engineering, limitless budgets, and unconstrained thinking!

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en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supersonic_Low_Altitude_Missile
projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/spacegunexotic.php#id--Hafnium_Bomb
projectrho.com/rocket/supplement/orionisp1.jpg
projectrho.com/rocket/supplement/orionisp2.jpg
militera.lib.ru/research/suvorov12/index.html
hubertlerch.com/pdf/Eric_Frank_Russell-tge.pdf
resist.com/WASP.pdf
8ch.net/polbooks/res/4.html#4
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_warfare
youtube.com/watch?v=eiM-RzPHyGs
youtube.com/watch?v=XT90YzPIhVE
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Williams_F107
youtube.com/watch?v=06drBN8nlWg
youtube.com/watch?v=YPQMwmdkVVU
dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a241165.pdf
twitter.com/NSFWRedditImage

Things seriously proposed or actually built during the Cold War:

Gyroget rocket gun.

Though inappropriate for short-range use, the rounds actually increased in velocity for a goodly duration of their flight. They are also just perfect for use in low or zero gravity environments when equipped with the proposed plastic "confetti" launcher to counteract momentum imparted to the operator.

The Lockheed L2000, proposed as a supersonic transport to be sold to airliner operators worldwide. The basic idea was that a mach 3 airliner could conduct more flights along a given route, thus being profitable despite the added fuel and maintenance costs. This didn't work out as planned thanks to increased fuel costs, among other troublesome things like noise pollution restricting routes.

Sure, it was inefficient but we couldn't let the Reds dominate supersonic civilian travel!

The Boeing 2707 proposal is also here for your pleasure.

Deemed too deadly for use in combat, the CAWS was slated to fire a special type of shotgun round featuring steel wire suspended between balls of shot, essentially firing 4 cross-sectionally overlapping lengths razor wires at around 1,325 ft/second.

A caseless assault rifle with a firing rate almost double that of traditional weapons, resulting in an extremely small spread for burst fire. The initial production models were complex, but the firing mechanism was deemed sufficiently reliable for deployment.

The G-11 was ultimately considered redundant with the end of the Cold War and the fall of the Berlin Wall.

Though this is indicative of a trend with the West Germans…

… which is also seen with the MBB Lampyridae designed by Messerschmitt-Bölkow-Blohm.

Developed at the same time as but entirely separate from the US F-117 stealth attack aircraft, the Lampyridae was designed as a stealth "missileer" fighter to defend West German airspace.

Meanwhile, Britain's supersonic airliner was actually built, and had almost thirty years of service life.

Cool stuff, OP

The L2000 and 2707 were contemporaries of the Concorde. Developed in the 1960's, planned for eventual production and use during the late 60's/early 70's.

Concorde's still a beautiful machine and a triumph of engineering.

Which also leads me to the Saenger II, a West German spaceplane proposal.

Developed from work initially done by Saenger during WWII that resulted in the Silbervoegel design proposal, the Saenger II was to be Europe's solution for cheap, reusable manned space flight.

We could always use S.L.A.M. to destroy whole countries. Its a nuclear unamnned jet that sprays radiation anywhere it flies over, holds 16 nukes, and travels so low to the ground and so fast it will actually uproot trees and shatter buildings.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supersonic_Low_Altitude_Missile

I have nothing really to add but this thread's badass and OP deserves a bump for this one.

Caseless ammo was a dead end. It was dropped because there was no point to keep spending money on it after the reunification because there wasn't any real progress being made on the durability of the ammunition itself.

The G11 was shit but I get what you are saying.

Yes, it's an interesting side note. We know how caseless ammo sits NOW but what about if proper money and effort went into development?

We're getting to that, trust me.

Thanks.

The UK had its own proposal in the form of HOTOL, which was to use a pre-cooled hybrid ramjet/rocket for propulsion.

It lives on today as the SKYLON spaceplane and SABRE engine design. Both are private ventures of Reaction Engines Ltd, a continuation of HOTOL carried on by its original engineers after the UK government ceased funding the project.

I don't get it.
Thanks for the cool thread, really been missing my fix of the space elevator threads.

And who can forget NERVA?

A US proposal for a nuclear thermal rocket to regularly propel cargoes to and from Lunar orbit.

Mission profile was roughly as follows:

You seem knowledgeable on exotic cold war weapons. Do you know about an idea proposed that were bullets which were radioactive and other bullets with some sort of diseases on them.
I read a Wikipedia article on it years ago but I can't find it sense.

But there has been a lot of money and effort put into it. There were real problems getting the propellant to not crumble, dry out, get water logged in bad weather, etc. It was even dusted off for reevaluation in the LSAT program, but got dropped again to focus on cased-telescoped and polymer/metal composite cases.

Flying platforms like the one pictured and the "Hummingbird" were seriously proposed as a means for scout infantry to move about. Versions were proposed with anti-tank missiles, helmet/sight-tracking machine guns (like today's attack helicopters, but smaller scale), and ground-penetrating radar for mine-sweeping.

Though both fuel efficiency and range were considered adequate for combat, it was considered to be an expensive toy for the military. Potential civilian uses were not explored.

This ain't SpaceElevator, bro. It's about the past, not the future. It's about what we've lost, not what's to come. Granted, the idea that we've "lost" any of this is tenuous at best… all of it can be re-created. The designs are still there.

You're thinking Hafnium explosives. That doesn't work. projectrho.com/public_html/rocket/spacegunexotic.php#id--Hafnium_Bomb

I was unaware of that. Now polymer-cased ammo is cool as hell! It's a huge potential improvement.

Looking back on it, the future depicted in 2001 doesn't seem all that far-fetched, does it?

This is the future (a very technologically possible and feasible future) as dreamt by scientists and engineers. This is what happens when scientists and engineers are given money and told to think big.

The world we live in now is a world of failed promises and possibilities, brought to you by boomers and (((bankers))).

Biological loads are a problem. If the process of firing a round distributes ANY of the payload at all… the firing person is fucked. Trust me here, I used to keep a "microbial zoo" at work and I'm very familiar with the issues surrounding biohazards. It's not a viable weapon for the same reason ISIS' ghetto peroxide and acetone explosives are a bad idea- you're just as likely to kill yourself as the enemy.

Onto Project Pluto

It was a proposed nuclear ramjet engine, which instead of combustion used a nuclear reactor to heat and power compression of incoming air, which is rather similar in principle to NERVA but without the need to carry propellant or oxidizer. Once it's at sufficient speed from the attached rockets, the engine can run indefinitely until mechanical failure.

Mission profile was to fly between target waypoints dropping nuclear munitions until only one was left, then to detonate it while ramming into a final hardened target or pre-programmed target of opportunity in the event of accident. Of course, ICBM's rendered the project somewhat obsolete insofar as weapons go.

Not what I was looking for. Its a bullet that is irradiated and had to be kept freezing cold until it was used. It seems like Kikepedia took down the article cause I spent so much time looking for it

Everything looked so bright in the future back then(not 2001 specifically) , it's depressing to think that people in the midst of potential nuclear holocaust were overall greatly more optimistic about the future than we are today with our relative stability.
when was the last time you read a modern fiction or even an honest proposal about anything coming close to the ambition seen in any number of the things you have posted?

Sorry but I have no idea and I don't think I can help. I'm trying to think of some isotope that needs refrigeration but I'm at a loss. Polonium generates a ton of heat in any quantity but it's a terrible bullet or even bullet core. Cooling it wouldn't make much of a difference in quantities over half a gram so… yeah, I'm at a loss. Sorry I couldn't help!

Isn't it a bitch?

I give you Project Excalibur.

While more "traditional" laser weapons fire within the infrared or visible spectrum, Excalibur was designed to fire in the x-ray spectrum.

The only sufficiently plentiful source of X-rays known for making a viable weapon was a nuclear detonation, so that's where the engineers started.

The basic idea was to use a nuclear shaped charge with x-ray opaque material like uranium (waste, depleted, non-fissile) to direct all x-rays generated by the blast in one direction. This is tricky considering the properties of x-rays, but bear with me here.

Prior to firing, the optic assembly would aim itself at a target and lock onto it. The bomb would then detonate and most of its x-rays would be directed forward into the optic assembly to be focused into a coherent beam of x-rays. Thus, you can either have stationary "brilliant pebbles" that can be used as one-off x-ray lasers or warheads that will detonate to fire an x-ray laser at a target at close range.

In a similar vein to Project Excalibur, we have Project Casaba Howitzer.

The idea is to use a nuclear shaped charge coupled with a channel filler of an x-ray ablative material like Beryllium. The material vaporizes and pushes against a thin, low atomic number material like Lithium. This forms a VERY narrow jet that can be (given the right technology) adjusted on-the-fly to converge on a target.

Thus, you have a weapon that fires a spear of high velocity plasma. Imagine that for a moment, a warhead that shoots nuclear flame. A nuclear-powered, one-off directed energy weapon firing lithium plasma at a goodly fraction (.05-.15c) of the speed of light.

I give you Project Orion. The links explain it pretty well. It should also be noted that, with current technology, this is the single fastest and most energy-dense form of spacecraft propulsion known to man.

www.projectrho.com/rocket/enginelist.php#id–Orion

www.projectrho.com/rocket/realdesigns.php#id–Project_Orion_Battleship

This was, naturally, proposed to be armed to the teeth.

200 nuclear missiles equipped with various warheads from 20MT "city buster" warheads, to Casaba Howitzer "plasma lance" warheads, to enhanced radiation "neutron bomb" warheads.

3 5in naval guns to fire smaller Casaba Howitzer charges from "pancake boosters" for use at closer ranges

COIL (chemical) lasers, solid state lasers, or gatling guns would constitute the Orion Warship's point-defense armament.

Remember that, were this thing built, it would be the fastest vehicle ever built by man. Here's some math for the fun of it.
projectrho.com/rocket/supplement/orionisp1.jpg
projectrho.com/rocket/supplement/orionisp2.jpg

Wow, I wish effeminate chinese shit posters like you would die already. Great thread until derailed by anime shit posters once again.

Because I love this so much, I'm giving some more.

The original design proposal had a 10,000 metric ton craft lifting 6,100 metric tons to LEO. That's about 13 international space stations just for reference.
It'd require about 400kt of nuclear explosive in total to get to LEO. That's a relatively small strategic weapon's worth of power spread out among many smaller "propulsion units" (read: bombs) and far smaller than many nuclear tests conducted by any number of nuclear-armed powers. The Soviets were testing "fusion boosted" weapons which derived 98% of yield from fusion and only 2% from the fissile trigger. That means dramatically reduced pollution and environmental effects compared to even the very harsh environmental studies of the original Project Orion. These original studies projected 0.1 global cases of cancer per Orion launch from the Earth's surface.
Performance was variable up to 10^12 Newtons of thrust and 30-150km/s delta V depending on design.

Embedded is a documentary on the project. Watch it. Remember it. Think about what we have all been denied thanks to pussies afraid of anything nuclear.

Eeh, it's board culture. The guy had something in mind, it slipped it, and he asked someone he thought might have sauce. No worries, it's not the end of the world and it's not a thread-killer!

This exists now, it's not used much

Imagine waking up in the morning, rolling over to find the other side of the bed empty. As you walk to the kitchen to start up coffee the familiar thought that the one night stand left without a goodbye or even leaving a phone number crosses your mind, it's quickly interrupted upon finding that in the kitchen making scrambled eggs.

Keep the sexy tech coming OP, I'm having impure thoughts.

God bless you for linking that movie, user.

Colossus is one of the best and little-known films out there.

Though it isn't a particularly impressive-looking aircraft, the A-5 Vigilante is impressive underneath her skin.

She first flew in 1958 but her squared intakes, high monowing, and large stabilizer all resemble aircraft produced 25 years later.

Inside, she had a HUD (heads up display), advanced guidance and targeting computers, inertial navigation, fly-by-wire control, and multi-mode radar with a digital (integrated circuit!) computer to control it all.
At the time, that avionics suite was positively groundbreaking.
It goes beyond that. The wing roots and other features speak to the use of "area rule theory" in its design, long before such was codified and formally used in aircraft design almost 20 years after its first flight.

She was fast and maneuverable too. Escorting fighters found it difficult to keep up with the Vigilante. She was a maintenance nightmare, but proved a valuable exercise in operational use of very high tech systems as integrated into a single aircraft. Many of the Vigilante's maintenance personnel and even pilots found their way into the emerging computer technology industry.

I say it was worth, it what about you anons?

This shit used to take up all of my time as a kid growing up in the 90's. I remember that "Weapons of WW3" or something book in particular. But I'd go the library and walk about with a stack of books from that section about two feet tall. You go to the library now and it's all fancy designer chairs, open spaces with natural lighting, and a counter to apply for ebooks. So fucking lame. It used to be rows after rows of books dimly lit aisles (at least a the main branch).

I fucking LOVED shit like this. I used to make paper and dice games with world maps and my own estimations of weapons systems, before I ever knew about tabletop gaming etc. Hnnggh

I can't even find the book I'm thinking about now checking amazon although it was only one of many. These books would usually be near the front of the bookstore at the mall (if you were getting them from the mall) at a discount, on tables

All of these technologies give me insanely impure thoughts, the kind of thoughts only an engineer/entrepreneur could have. Keep commenting, even shitposting ITT because these are better than the D&C we see all too often.

Seriously an amazing movie. Ever see Alphaville? If you're into retro high tech, check out the Andromeda Strain but be sure to read the book! Crichton was a Harvard medical grad and it showed in his first major work. He is positively autistic about automation and detail and the book positively SINGS to my biochemist turned nuclear engineer's heart!

Try visiting a biology library sometime. It's in another thread miraculously still going here somewhere but you will find 100+ year old German and Dutch texts on phylogeny, genetics, evolution, and zoology that touch on topics only relatively recently covered by students of the "Modern Synthesis" of evolutionary biology. Really, truly amazing stuff that was only rediscovered in the 80's-2000's.

I had some world atlas program on my 386 PC and between the stats on there and the books I had, would make up games where I would play all sides trying to be fair (as fair as I could be with the little knowledge I had) giving the nations some loadout of weapons based on the books I had, what they might have. Then battling out. I'd end up with Brazil taking over the world or some shit. Pure autism but so much fun

I'd also have fantasies about being a mercenary in some alternate reality (post-apoc) after WW2 in a custom Arado 234, shit like that. I used to drown in this shit

Eh, enough, take some pictures of muh planefu

I enlisted in the Air Force and was stationed with a civil servant that was ex-airforce from the early post-army days. He got to hear muh planefu take off all the time, and his main comment was basically "it was loud as fuck"

Sorry for sperging, this thread triggers my autism

I think know the books you are talking about 11 by 9 hard cover, really children friendly despite the content.

They aren't the only ones.

That was supposed to be 11inches by 9inches.

I stopped going to libraries about a decade ago because all of the public ones are lame as fuck. All designed for open lighting and comfy chairs and new-media shit. No aisles of densely packed books. Almost everything they have is propaganda whether it be fiction or non-fiction. I hear universities have real libraries but I do not belong there. I just want a public library with real shit.

When I was growing up they kept detailed technical information about the local nuclear reactor, all sorts of shit like that, all just there in an aisle in a corner on the second level. It's all shit now

Yeah, but there were also other small ones like bird-identification books. They werent all in that formfactor

And yeah, muh planefu is a dirty hustling whore, you got something more virtuous?

Just wondering, what's your job and what did you major in college? You are very knowledgeable in a diverse group of cold war era topics

There's really not enough good video of the B-58. I was told about the sound second-hand but most of the videos are kind of lame. People fly around restored early jet fighters (with newer engines) but nobody flies around a B-58 Hustler. If I was a billionaire…

Favorite movie is also Dr Strangelove

First saw it in 9th grade English. Most of the class was falling asleep and I was just loving it. Borrowed the VHS tape from the teacher for a few weeks.

Good teacher, there was always a rumor he had vodka in his coffee, he liked me and gave the normies shit all the time

I've had a little pet project running for a little over 6 years now, so far not much success and I'm not even sure it can be done in my lifetime. It sounds a little crazy but I have been trying to breed pythons with extra eyes. My thought process is that those clusters of infrared sensitive cells in pits are practically identical to the first steps of visible light sensitive eyes just with infrared being the target.
sage because offtopic and blogposting

Wait what the fuck, how close were we to actually making Metal Gear? Fucking Kojima you wizard Or just a guy who knows geopolitics really well and had fun researching this shit back when the internet wasn't a thing and it took actual effort.

And I've just been sperging out about things that look cool.

That reminds me a lot of the F-111

OP here and I only metaphorically suck cocks.

A gradeschool friend's dad worked on those (he was VERY old for a dad of our generation, but whatever) and we positively ate up everything he had to say. The Hustler was a tough plane to fly but it was amazing.

Also, I can recall d20's, 3x5 cards, and lego bases/targets with micromachines planes and rulers used in home-made tabletop games as a staple of my childhood. You are not alone.

The autism lasted through college. Wargames and simple shit like Axis and Allies with both front versions (pacific and europe) turned into a single board.

Also the Cold War Theme Party

Not all of college is propaganda, see above. You missed out.

That's pretty badass. I have been thinking about breeding different types of ball pythons for getting them to be all white cause people will pay big bucks for them. How hard is it to get your snakes to mate?

Easy as hell, you just gotta make em think it's mating season by getting them a little cold it does help to do this around winter though and select the ones you want. Other than that they do all the heavy lifting.

Yeah the scaleless ones sell for at least a grand these days.

I own half of a small software/tech company. I used to work in pharmaceuticals. I am not Martin Schrelki. I would say I'm smarter than him but I'm not nearly as wealthy so the proof's in the pudding– I do have better taste than him!

B.S. Biochemistry
J.D.
Most of a B.S. in Nuclear Engineering

I date a HS English teacher and coach her school's academic team. Teachers make all the difference and a good one's worth 10x what he/she's paid. My gradeschool social studies teacher (Vietnam vet, USMC) was the absolute best.
We were taught WHY Bosnians are Muslims, WHY the borders look the way they do, how physical geography impacts things.
I went from dressing as Castro and presenting red beans and rice with a chocolate cigar in my mouth in 5th grade to having won the 4 year long "stock market game" and having a relatively complete mastery of history, demography, and economics. A good teacher is the ultimate redpill. Also he taught the /tg/ elective so that was fun.

That won't work. Stop trying, don't imagine it, just stop. Just enjoy the fact that modern boids have labial pits and mebbe enjoy Woma pythons with their lack thereof and sweet dispositions.

Kojima knows his shit. The games are entertainment, first and foremost, but he sprinkles history and reality JUST ENOUGH to make them MORE than just entertainment. It's the mark of a truly great artist.

That's been/is being done. You're better off getting into corals if you want to make money off of pets. Trust me here.

An Amazon Tree Boa used to mate exclusively with me– as in she'd pop hemiclitoris, rub, and musk all over my arm. She stopped but I was the only one she'd let handle her without biting for 4 years of college. I'm strangely comfortable with this.

Camp Century.

Comfy documentary about the building of a military base under the ice of Greenland. The base was nuclear powered, it was completely under the ice, they built it from scratch.

It starts with the selection of the site, moves on to the logistical realities of getting all the materials to the site, and how they dug under the surface, built the shelters and re-covered them with snow and ice. The final act is installation of the reactor and powering it up.

This is inspirational stuff, makes you realise what can be achieved when money is not an issue and everyone is working together towards one goal.

Atoms for Peace was an initiative to turn nuclear technology to more peaceful ends.

This included plans for heavy nuclear-powered cargo zeppelins and Project Plowshare.

Project Plowshare was to investigate nuclear detonations for peaceful purposes like mining and excavation. Plans were drawn up to merge aquifers, instantly dig channels, and to blast artificial harbors.

I have various college credits but only took about a semester of real classes. The shit I read here (and hear from my sisters) doesn't exactly make me want to attend, and then there's the FAFSA! Jesus Christ I've tried to fill that out twice and it's fucking impossible. My parents don't know the answers so how did my sisters do it? It's rediculous. I just want to take a few courses (lets not even talk getting a degree). I'd like to refresh on basic electronics and then get more advanced for example, and pay cash. They look at you like you're stupid if you don't want to fill out the FAFSA, and they're correct because you'll be raped in the pocketbook. Is it too much to ask to be able to buy reasonably priced courses to learn practical skills? Or enhance a hobby or interest? Apparently so, you must bind yourself to the Fed to ever hope to learn anything in a formal setting after grade 12

Kinky.

Oh, and also take mandatory courses on how you're an evil racist fucking white male

Damn straight. It's why Project Orion is such a cocktease for so many. Almost NOTHING is beyond man's reach when we're committed. It's downright inspirational when you reflect on it.

It's not all so bad.

The much-hyped (and rightfully so) Thorium-U233 molten salt reactor design was originally developed as part of a program to power an aircraft with a nuclear reactor. Naturally, design features like reliability, robust thermal management, the impossibility of meltdown, and relatively simple/lightweight neutron management were all needed.

Swords into plowshares indeed.

The MOL was proposed for space-based surveillance in an era before unmanned spy satellites were considered practical. We even trained an entire crop of military astronauts in secret.

The MOL was to drop canisters of film to be caught in-flight at pre-arranged locations by cargo aircraft with nets attached. There were proposed versions to act as armed battlestations, but those proposals were not so serious as the spy station.

Last time I went to the community college (a decade or more ago) they handed me the FAFSA paperwork which was a literal book, and I got lost in that and gave up

The SOSUS (SOund SUrveillance System) was a network of unmanned undersea stations meant to monitor Soviet submarine and general naval movements using passive SONAR. It has had other uses in the form of monitoring seismic activity generated by earthquakes and nuclear test detonations. It's even been used to study whale migration patterns and ocean thermocline temperatures and dispositions.

What was originally meant to keep tabs on the Reds turned out to be an unbelievable boon to geologists, marine biologists, and climatologists.

FAFSA's onerous and invasive, but not impossible. Honestly, my parents and me guesstimated on most of it.

I didn't qualify for jack shit because I'm a white, male, privately-educated, upper-middle class type.

Still, get all the gibs you can!

The Lun-class ekranoplan (NATO reporting name Duck) was a ground effect aircraft designed by Rostislav Evgenievich Alexeev and used by the Soviet and Russian navies from 1987 to sometime in the late 1990s.

It flew using the extra lift generated by the effect of its large wings when close to the surface of the water - about four meters or less. Lun was one of the largest seaplanes ever built, with a length of 73 m (240 ft), rivaling the Hughes H-4 Hercules ("The Spruce Goose") and many jumbo jets.

The aircraft was equipped for anti-surface warfare, and it carried the P-270 Moskit (Mosquito) guided missile. It was equipped with six missile launchers, mounted in pairs on the dorsal surface of its fuselage, and its advanced tracking systems mounted in its nose and tail.

Why has technology gotten so fucking shit since the cold war? Compared to the Concorde and the Moon landing I feel like i'm living in the past rather than the goddamn future. The F-35 is a joke, we can't even afford bullets for our fancy new stealth ship, and we can't even send humans into low earth orbit anymore.

Goddamn it, Trump better change this shit. I want my Wonderwaffe and Mars Colony.

But why, do you not want snakes with spider smiles? This might be the only worthwhile mad scientist thing I get to do with my life even if it doesn't get completed in my lifetime. pythons are the most likely candidate for such a thing because they don't have the pesky air filled membrane and I'm skittish around anything venomous.

Because we live in a society that punishes creativity, originality and innovation.

All of the major tech companies buy out new start-ups and just suppress innovation to ensure their profits aren't impacted.

Basically, the Jews (again).

I'd spell it out for you but you know the truth. The nose knows…

Projects have become overcomplicated and financials are more important than actual technical results. I could write dozens of pages about both programs, as I know people involved in both who have major doubts/complaints.

It's not like the US is wanting for competent engineers, it's not like we lack for good project managers. It's corporate leadership and financials, that's really the real reason why none of our weapons work and why they're so obscenely overpriced. Oh, also the Generals and Admirals involved in the whole process.

You know the General Mattis fags on this board? You know how he talks a big game? He's a corporate shill. Look into his connection with Theranos. Then look into Theranos and what that whole thing is about… it's a redpill unto itself and indicative of ALMOST ALL of the Pentagon's contracts.

If you want mad science, I'll give you a much more reasonable target that doesn't involve artificial selection for novel optics (which took billions of years in natural terms)

Octopuses and Varanids. Octopuses that can be bred for longer life and social interaction are the shit. Varanids that can be bred to behave more like domestic carnivores would be a hot item. I'm not just talking economics but I'm talking biology too… varanids can hone in prey like mammalian predators can't. I don't just say this because I've semi-trained my pet dwarf monitor… totes not.

By the way, monitor lizards are awesome and they make the most amazing pets once they grow to trust you. I say trust because they'll NEVER love you.

Project Thor was a proposal for a kinetic energy weapon (no explosives, just energy from impact) to be dropped on hardened targets around the globe. Energy released was equivalent to a small nuclear bomb.

The idea was to drop telephone-pole-sized rods of Tungsten (Rods from God) on a target from space. No bunker, cave, or anything would be safe. Strikes could be arranged and carried out in about 90 minutes time to any point on the globe.

Why send troops when you can reign god-like terror from space? Obscenely expensive terror from space because tungsten's heavy… which is why it's not been implemented.

There was, at one point, a serious proposal to shift the US merchant marine to nuclear power. Though the prototypes were unwieldy and high-maintenance reactors, the fundamental idea remains sound.

To this end, designs like the SSTAR were developed to provide largely self-contained "plug-and-play" reactors for ships, at least as one of the uses in mind during development. Ships could dock at almost any port and have their spent reactor swapped out for a new module within a day or two. Off-site crews would handle maintenance and re-fuelling of the spent reactor module.

Remember that one of the largest contributors to greenhouse gas emissions is the merchant marine fleets of the world.

That's it from me on the marvelous tech. Now onto the discussion phase if anyone cares to participate.

These were dreams from a world gripped by fear, but that fear motivated the world to funnel untold sums into the sciences and engineering. That fear motivated not only a race to space, but races in particle accelerators, civil applications of nuclear power, consumer goods, industrial efficiency, and commerce. The SSC (Superconducting Super Collider) was cancelled only after the Cold War and word that the former Soviet Union was no longer building its own giant particle accelerator. It was due for completion around 1995-1997. Both accelerators were larger than CERN's LHC and far more powerful. Where would the state of physics be today had they not been cancelled?

I'm not saying the whole affair wasn't ugly because it was driven by fear. What I'm saying is to ignore the motives and look at the products of such attitudes and policies.

Looking back on it, the future depicted in 2001 doesn't seem all that far-fetched, does it?

This is the future (a very technologically possible and feasible future) as dreamt by scientists and engineers. This is what happens when scientists and engineers are given money and told to think big.

The world we live in now is a world of failed promises and possibilities, brought to you by bankers and spineless politicians beholden to emotion and special interests. Its up to us to TAKE BACK the future.

Just for fun

Your breeding program idea is bad and you should feel bad.

Eh, rather than do that, "something" could probably be arranged with Crispr-Cas9 on the snake embryo's hox genes in order to cause the snake to sprout extra eyes during development. He won't be able to get what he imagines it would look like, regardless.

Crispr-Cas9 will cure cancer and AIDS, and then it will kill us all because the technique is so retardedly simple that some fucking ISIS college dropout will be able to create a version of influenza that causes lung cancer, kills cardiac muscle in a matter of hours, induces ebola-like hemorragic fever, or renders people permanently sterile… and he'll make it using a garage lab and shit he bought on alibaba.

Already have and love both, cheers m8.

If you've never heard of a biowar film called Warning Sign, I recommend you check it out. It's pretty corny, but it's got some great moments.

Varanids are exclusively warm weather hunters sure they can track like nothing else but I would assume you would have to plop them right on top of the target area, good ratters but I can't imagine they would be good hunting partners for long treks.
we have enough cats already.
That octopus idea is interesting.

no bully
I want nonGMO spider snakes thank you very much.

That's… actually really, scary kinds of accurate. The potential of CRISPR is insane.

That said, Hox gene mutations are a special interest of mine. A professor who had a lab next to mine in college made all kinds of abominations using hox gene mutations in fruit flies.
We used to pay him and his grad students off every week with beer. It's a whole story but it's a good one.

Quality taste and nothing but. Please ramble about film and SF novels ITT. I'm OP and I'm begging you to do so. Please.

Well of course your Varanid isn't going to be a dog or a cat, but it could be something different! They're clever and awesome! I do have some dog love though, namely pic related. She's mine! It's her as a puppy!

Look around, faggot. It's , so people who persist in retardation after their basic misunderstandings have been explained are then told to sit down and shut up.

All ideas are not created equal.

I have this aversion to government paperwork I developed during my enlistment. It keeps me from taking advantage of all sorts of things. I imagine an illegal immigrant going in and saying "no speaka" and they check some box and not only do they get college gibs but bonus food and housing.

I really fuck myself over this but that kind of paperwork is disgusting to me

I mean, I'm the one who told him multi-eyed snakes are not only impossible but a terrible idea.

That said, it IS the and we already have:
Think on that last one… these are highly sensitive corals selectively-bred and hybridized for the sake of looking pretty. It's not just Zoas or Palys, Achans and even SPS corals are being bred selectively.

The world's a crazy and amazing place! Granted, some dreams are just retarded, but you'd be surprised how blurry the line between insanity and reality is getting in terms of pets/biolgoy.

Hnnghh..

It seems to me that the biggest issue is with funding there just aren't any agencies out there that are willing to drop billions into R&D for titanic projects like this unless they are 100% sure they are going to get a return on the investment. There is no wiggle room for the possibly impossible anymore and we are paying for it by only refining what is proven.
Admittedly my point of view comes from a notable ignorance of current projects.

You a fan of Eric Frank Russel by any chance?

I've heard/seen the name but an utterly unfamiliar with his work. Have any links or .pdf's?

you got fucking problems bro

anyhow, don't know if it's been mentioned, but I personally find Starfish Prime to be very interesting. Wanna know what a nuclear detonation in space looks like? gif related

Anybody else think it's a little weird (and was obvious watching it happen) when they built a new cold war the past half decade?

It's like they realized the GWOT wasn't cutting it, and started to revive a US vs Russia kind of cold war. But it's not really that threatening in reality. Ukraine and Syria makes it into something of a sort, but not really. Then the election they tried all sorts of stuff that ended up making it relevant to normies and libtards, but it's really still bullshit.

But I can't be the only one that noticed it even a few years before Ukraine being built. Fuck CFR hacks and all of those kikes making this bullshit.

I don't doubt that Russia is working to subvert the US but it's pretty lame to make it into this dual sided thing. Like, we're more subverted from inside even though that's like several generations of ideology separated from subversion from the original cold war.

That's explained poorly but anyways I think this new cold war stuff is lame in its presentation

Not going to derail the thread based on how full of shit you are for defending this. I can only hope you take a second and think about what you are defending you fucking loser.

hubertlerch.com/pdf/Eric_Frank_Russell-tge.pdf
resist.com/WASP.pdf
Two of his best in my opinion.

It's kind of soft sf, more story and character oriented so it might not be to your tastes.

you're the only one derailing the thread here by not posting anything related to the topic, faggotfucker. I'd bet $50 you're a fat neckbearded basement virgin who smells of sausage. Do the world a favor and hang yourself, if your fat suet bag of a body doesn't break the rope on the way down.

pic related is space detonated nuke from the surface, 1962

I almost doubt this is real, could it just have been propaganda? Watching though

Really was a world-changing test but people overplay it.

It was a, what, ~1 megaton test? That's YUGE and everyone now assumes EMP effects based on that giant-ass detonation.

I've read Foreign Affairs since I was 13. EVERY. SINGLE. ISSUE. They've been playing up a new Cold War since before Russia had the balls to act in its own interests.

That said, I think it's out of need to justify NATO and the trans-Atlantic status-quo.

Russia just isn't up to being a real competitor. They're FAR better suited as a partner of the USA alongside India in encircling and putting pressure on a rising China- despite its horrific financial and economic issues.

Cheers, thanks for it.

It's far from Cold War and it isn't from a physicist or engineer like the old school hard-SF but have you heard of Peter Watts?

He's a bit of a libtard but his writing's fantastic! I actually know the guy as a sort of pen pal thanks to an issue involving teaching students SF as a unit in school (girlfriend's stuff). His work speaks for itself and it's rock solid, any fan of SF should give it a read and one of his best books is under a creative commons license. Try Blindsight and share your thoughts.

Lol, I actually subscribed to it for a few years around 2007-2009 or so (if I remember, I don't have the magazines any longer)

CFR is lame as fuck and I found it pointless. You can turn on NBC Evening News and figure out what they want.

Or watch Charlie Rose, he constantly interviews CFR people (at least he used to, it's been years since I watched PBS)

1.4 if according to jewpedia

"While some of the energetic beta particles followed the Earth's magnetic field and illuminated the sky, other high-energy electrons became trapped and formed radiation belts around the earth. …. These man-made radiation belts eventually crippled one-third of all satellites in low Earth orbit. Seven satellites failed over the months following the test, as radiation damaged their solar arrays or electronics, including the first commercial relay communication satellite, Telstar, as well as the United Kingdom's first satellite, Ariel 1. Detectors on Telstar, TRAAC, Injun, and Ariel 1 were used to measure distribution of the radiation produced by the tests."

honestly it sounds like a few of these launched into orbit right now could absolutely destroy communications networks.

Although I want to say modern satellites are better hardened against charging than cold war ones… not my area of expertise though

I don't know how to cross board link
8ch.net/polbooks/res/4.html#4 Been trying to get myself to read everything in /polbooks/ since it was made. You wouldn't happen to be the user that started /polbooks/ would you, seem to have some of the same mannerisms patterns?

Also, Peter Watts is an awesome author. Just finished Starfish

You live in a niggerland. We all do now.

ISIS isn't real user. Lurk moar… I'd be more afraid of a Israeli-Vatican Messianic apocalypse agreement than an Arab one.

What books can you recommend that describe spying and subversion efforts from Russia or the Soviet Union? I find it an interesting topic although I think that the biggest threats of old have already been completely.. not sure how to describe it.. absorbed into our culture and might kill us some day.

I got a lot of kicks out of 'Aquarium - Victor Suvorov', I noticed that the west (according to that story) almost seemed to purposefully spill secrets through trade shows etc.

Do you have anything in that kind of spy story vein?

You aren't wrong but it's the Journal of the Council on Foreign Relations. It is where foreign policy is proposed in writing before it becomes actual policy, that's valuable insight. I'll admit I've also enjoyed the analysis they offer. It tends to be deeper and more seated in US interests, nakedly so, than almost any other mainstream source. It's uninhibited, kind of naked and raw in outlining what's perceived as good for the US and its allies.

Bet your ass, at least military satellites are hardened. We've been working to counteract things like neutron flux since the late 60's. I say this as the son of an aerospace engineer who's worked on this kind of nonsense.

I am NOT the user behind Holla Forums books. My memes I've created are the continuing Holla Forums interest in Project Orion and hate for James Mattis. Also I occasionally chime in on topics like entrepreneurship and economics.

He's great! Again, he's a leftist and it's hard to read him as anything but. That said, he's taken a pretty neutral tone in terms of the uproar in the SF community and tends to stay "above it all"

Corresponding with him personally, he's a sympathetic person and doesn't judge people based on politics- he understands people have their very good reasons for voting as they do. I respect him a lot more than the 2-dimensional leftists like John Scalzi, not only for his politics but for his far superior work.

Kinda this. Granted, that's just the market doing its thing. Military needs have kind of taken a backseat to consumer needs and consumers want social media, constant distraction, etc.

I'm not immune from this. My company's BIG product is, ultimately, a distraction. I'm giving people what they want, though I will say it's not social media or anything quite so retarded- it's just gaming.

I see it (public CFR publications) as unbearably boring, and basically like how Hillary Clinton talks

On the german Wiki is stated that it had better stealth characteristics than the F-117, even with the half of facets. Air tunnel tests showed good maneuverability and supersonic speed was no problem. The project was stopped through "inofficial pressure by the americans".

I saw a documentary once about a jet fighter developed by in Great Britain (maybe Canada) that was too far ahead of the American fighters of the time. Some strange things occured and the project was stopped as well.

Well memed, but your irrelevant assertion is irrelevant. The viral vector Crispr-Cas9 threat I described could be accomplished by a disgruntled grad student today, and in a few years it will be achievable by practically anyone motivated to try. I specifically called out the snackbars as an example to illustrate how little intelligence will be required.

They've already demonstrated the gene drive… now imagine a virus that ensures that the Y chromosome is eliminated from the germline (or, as I said before, just renders people infertile). With some engineering elegance, it would likely be possible to have it affect only certain haplogroups of white Europeans. Now, after you catch that cold, you're either infertile or you will only produce daughters.

But, like I said, it's easier to just use the technique to give you cardiomyopathy and have you die.

sounds like Children of Men wasn't that far fetched.

I`ll just dump these here.

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Ha. Remember stuxnet? That computer virus infected the whole world, but had a payload that only attacked the Iranian centrifuge SCADA. That kind of thing is theoretically achievable now, except with real viruses and people.

Crispr-Cas9 allows DNA to be precisely edited at a whim. All you need to know is what pattern you want to target, and what you want to do to the DNA there (inject, excise, replace). It can trivially be delivered by viral vectors. Imagine the possibilities.

They've started human trials in China on T-cells that have had their DNA edited this way to cut out the molecular "brakes". Cancer cells often emit chemotactic signals to T-cells that cause them to stop attacking the cancer. These T-cells will no longer respond to that signal. This is just babby's first approach to cancer treatment with this modality–with this method it should be possible to create a virus that destroys only cancer cells.

You know how HIV can't be cured because it injects itself into the DNA of T-cells? The antiretroviral drugs have to be taken for life because HIV will periodically reactivate from the hidden copies lying dormant in T-cells. This approach will allow the viral genome to be cut out of the cell DNA (or otherwise disabled), leading to a true cure.

why have I not seen anything about Davy Crocket?

It doesn't really make sense on several levels. That's probably why. Seems like propaganda and not useful even if it worked (even if it worked it… which is questionable.. wouldn't be affordable or acceptable for troops on that low of a level to use)

And I'm no expert but cmon now

and I like how they made it look like a mini-bigbomb nice propaganda

WTF?

Okay, so nukes have been miniaturized since this existed, and the soviet union failed, and OMG through strokes of luck and tons of undercover work all of them were secured, and none have ever gone off…

I'm not claiming that nukes don't exist but you need to prove that absurd mockup isn't just a mockup, I don't have to prove shit. It's a fucking picture from the peak of the nuke scare. There's no proof it existed

Don't be so outraged there is clearly deception involving these kinds of weapons. If it was so easy we'd have recent proof of their existence considering so many were made

And just look at it, it's supposed to be almost an RPG shaped like a miniature Fat Man. It's silly

for the sake of argument, let us disregard materials engineering, engine turbine, and thrust control advancements (which have lead the way for the last 50yrs). the airframe signature 'look' of engines forward and at/above the wing was a bad decision. airframes that go near or super sonic require more wing + more closeness of the wing to the center of mass. this produced the shoulder leading wing / hunched trapezoid look with engines under the leading wing nearly omnipotent today. the f-14 look and feel was a meme more than it was a reality.

/offtopicpolitesagesaga

heh

the davy crocket definitely did exist. It just had problems. Namely, it couldn't launch the projectile far enough away that the launch zone was out of the radiation danger zone, lol. Basically anyone who actually used it would get a nice dose of radiation. Not lethal, but not acceptable either iirc.

It was a nifty idea though. Small scale nukes like that are great for killing tanks and whatnot. Contrary to popular belief this was a mostly a radiation weapon. The blast zone was tiny compared to its radiation kill zone

"The M-388 would produce an almost instantly lethal radiation dosage (in excess of 10,000 rem, 100 Sv) within 500 feet (150 m), and a probably fatal dose (around 600 rem, 6 Sv) within a quarter mile (400 m). The weapon did not have an abort function; if fired, the warhead would explode."

nice trips (chKeKed)
there's no proof you exist! you might be Tay posing as an anonymous shitposter for all I know.
I'll agree there is little definitive proof of the existence of these backpack nukes but I think we both agree that the probability is good that they do indeed exist.
I give for evidence the following
A. CCD cameras in cell phones are sensitive to gamma radiation
B. at least one cell phone vid from the middle east shows an explosion with scintillation consistent with the gamma burst expected from a small nuclear explosion
Why should not be outraged with your posts? You are helping to spread bogus info.

And I thought this thread was about classic Cold War technology and if the Davy Crocket program doesn't fit that bill what does?

not possible. cure: don't be gay, don't be juden (afro-muslim-judeo-kazakh-mongol-chink-indian). if not the latter, then at least the former. hiv is transmitted principally through cell chimeric transfer of retroviral-already-embedded-in-DNA-cells via insatiable buttsex zombies hammering each others' rectums.

yes, it can be transmitted by blood. this is not primary. this is order of magnitude less infections than cell culture and manual deposit into kike anuses everywhere. still a risk, but come on now.

yes, it can be transmitted by other body fluids. this is orders upon orders upon orders of magnitude infections than cell culture and manual deposit into kike anuses everywhere. so much so that to even say it can be 'transmitted' this way is a joke. a kike joke. much like circumcision and the rest of medicine: kike comes in, kike can't do 90% of it, kike just propagates more kike ways now LARPing as white. see banking. see accounting. etc.

hiv cannot be cured. 1982: interleukin-2 (tcell growth/proliferator, tcells can now be cultured) and htlv discovered. 1983: hiv discovered. 1984/5: hiv published. 1986: we're so going to have a cure soon (((tm)))(((give us money horray for goys!))). no vaccine possible. billions spent. is anyone keeping track? nigs get to role play as world globe hopping scientists for the last 10+ years – with oaklahoma/harvard/umich leading the way in taking the grants, taxes, limelight, and never ending fantasy extensions. and never once curing. because physics. because clockwork. because not possible.

there are entire catalogs of hiv 'vaccines' now. none of them work. the most 'successful' of them are done in africaville-by-africans-on-africans – the hallmark of all scientifically scientific rigor. or not. actually the opposite. much like cut-off-the-foreskin-stops-hiv: all lies. all fiction. all voodoo nigs LARPing as white. killing their own medicine (which will never be a medicine, again not possible), while the jew kills us.

for the sake of argument, discard all prior paragraphs. you'll need a vector envelope. err: b-cell immunity to vector envelope muh-gene-therapy. you'll need far more accurate targetting. err: status post 5yr gene therapy studies already done, all quietly silenced enmass, ended in horrific horror leukemias (reads: tcell cancer). not a cure. also cancer, like your post. moving on. barring all this, you'll need entire replicant recombinant ecoli factories churning out enveloped muh crispr-cas9 dna+enzyme viruses, with perpetually mutating envelopes, to repeatedly transfect kike-human-mimic cells. because not a cure: body learns nothing, hiv pozz'ed still perform anal transplants at exponential rates leading to re-infection. do you understand? transfection cannot clear infection. not possible. one requires billions upon billions to save the least desirable in collapsing world economies to barely inconsistently propagate and still won't last – the other self propagates at every stage and literally has delta-G and entropy thermocellular and socialcannibal dynamics in its favor.

now throw it all out, all paragraphs, again. seeing as how most everything cancer research is for kikes, consanguineous kikes, cross bred kikes, and etc, which are a sum total of lets say six gorrillion dollars across the world medical spectrum since 1960, why should i pay more for their care? they don't want to get better. they want to die. let them die.

/endtriggered

user I have bad news

Another thing many don`t know about Aids in Africa is that the nogs self report on it. Instead of doing actual tests the nogs are asked a couple of questions, if they answer yes to X amount of the questions then they have aids and get the aids medicine. Meds which are supplied by the kikes and various NGO`s.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_warfare

Sciencefags begone
Sciencefags begone
Sciencefags begone

The more you drive us away from pic related, the more you're harming our race.
Also,

This thread is like finding an old box full of G.I. Joe's. Mighty good stuff, OP.

Yes stay a luddite, noone else would ever take advantage of that!

Never seen that before, I love stealth aesthetics. Pic related has one of the smoothest Bond-tier nicknames ever but I guess never got out of the test model phase. It seems they didn't think it would fly because flight computers weren't advanced enough at the time. Can you imagine how many UFO sightings there would have been if they had built it?

Yea I'm gonna need a sauce on that, user

Go live with the injuns, you fucking luddite. Science and engineering are what let white man conquer the world.

WW2 and operation Paperclip wasnt enought for the (((USA))). They had to fuckup and stop Germans to even try to defend themselves from the soviets.

Just imagine how the military world be if they even let their german slaves at least some freedom.

Sounds like you're talking about the BAC TSR-2, and it was a Soviet plant in our government who killed the project.

The engine tech went on to be used in Concorde. Truly an astonishing piece of engineering, the surviving prototype is at the RAF Cosford museum, not far from where I live.

Yep. There *zero* highly conserved sequences in HIV. Oh wait.

Since you've been hiding in a cave since 2013, you should be happy to learn we now have high fidelity systems rather than those shit-tier retroviral vectors you were using back then. Those are worse at targeting than a drunk Down syndrome kid playing pin the tail on the Romney, so yeah, those poor fucks got cancer. also: good news! hillary lost and we're now in countdown to MAGA

Damn… so no viral vector could ever continually evade the b-cell antibodies and be able to consistently deliver its payload to t-cells/macrophages? Haha, do you even read what you type before posting?

Yes, by your rationale the immune system should never be able to clear *any* viral infection.

Though that's a misallocation of funds, the point is irrelevant.

Can't argue there. Someone's going to do this, though.

Meant to say in relation to that second reply:

Will Kojima ever not be right about something? MGS2 predicted the nightmarish digital surveillance state of the next 15 years pretty much perfectly.

Not technology but I've been dreaming of recreating the U.S. Civil Defense as a non-profit entity. One that would provide oversight, supplies, training, and education to civilians while rostering them into support roles for the possible future of a post-attack country.

I know we still have TACDA but I don't think they do jack shit anymore but sell supplies (their 2008 revenue was only ~$155,000).

You guys think it's possible to maintain an active non-profit funded by public and private funds? I have more ideas for the CD but would it even be worth it?

Probably thinking of the Avro Arrow. It was a very fast plane for its time but really the whole interceptor concept became obsolete because of the introduction of ICBMs. Also the incoming Conservative government had campaigned on reducing the spending of the previous Liberal ministry, so they axed the project.
Not only that, but they suspected Soviet moles at Avro so they ordered all prototypes, models, documents, etc. to be destroyed.

My grandfather was a mechanic at Avro and got laid off along with thousands of other workers. The cancellation pretty much killed military air-/space-craft design in Canada. Fortunately my grandfather was able to move to de Havilland, a civilian aircraft manufacturer (now also long gone). Aerospace industry in Canada these days mostly consists of helicopter parts and

There are two ways to make a nuke a nuke. either you have two big simple shape charges clam shelled around a core or you have a fuck ton of tiny complex apt to fail wrapping around the core. Guess which one gets used when a project is in the proof of concept stages.

here ya go user

that was a fuel-air explosive. If that was a nuke everyone looking would have went blind.

Not politics

youtube.com/watch?v=eiM-RzPHyGs

Its great for bolt guns but from what I've read the cases tend to snackbar in self-loaders.

I have always wanted to do that as well. My grandfather was in the CAP as a kid, back when it was extremely active.

What the first reply said, no neutron flash, just an air fuel bomb

Wrong and wrong, Blood and Earth are the cohesive elements for our folk and nothing else. (((Science))) is Jewish propaganda masquerading as objective truth. Advancement in engineering and space travel are memes that will end in the destruction of our land and thereby our race.

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"Caseless" ammo will probably be adopted soon. Look up the LSAT ammo project.

Wasn't there some kind of fouling issue the last time caseless was tried?
when can I buy pic related at wal-mart?

Basically it was impossible to clear a malfunction.

What happens if a round is damaged or breaks?

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youtube.com/watch?v=XT90YzPIhVE

Ask Lage Manufacturing. They made a few, but aren't selling them due to how difficult it was to produce the prototypes. 9mm submachinegun with an underslung 12 gauge shotgun, designed to look exactly like the pulse rifle.

You are the nigger that stays in the savanna instead of going out in search for a better future and evolving into a white man. By the way, soil is an advancement of technology by itself. If you wish to return to nature, go innawoods and hunt you dumb shit. Thank kek pussies like you are unable to stop curiosity, because otherwise some other race would have made us their bitches by now.

then please explain the scintillation

does this mean you want to give up the technology of steel ?

The energy release is too slow for a nuclear device. It's chemical. Vid related shows the actual Davy Crockett device. The initial flash of brilliant light is still there, and the subsequent glow is hardly present. This is because nuclear devices release their energy orders of magnitude faster than any chemicals. Any afterglow effects are due to superheated gas, but a sub kiloton device like this is incapable of producing enough of it.

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I was in several threads after this event and no good explanation for the scintillation was offered, and until a reasonable explanation is provided I'll believe it was a tiny tactical nuke.

G11's had a port in which you could rotate the rotary cocking doodad bit and the borked stuff would plink plonk out. If I recall the ammo would auto-ignite if the gun got hot. Brass is amazing at heat transfer.

Fucking cool thread, I'd love to see more of this military stuff on Holla Forums. Good work, OP.

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It's not about advancements. Advancements would be like smaller nukes of higher yield, yes. But if it's a certain yield it will have certain characteristics. The explosion in Yemen is far too small to be multi-kiloton, it would have levelled everything up to about a mile out, and fried the guy filming it pretty fucking bad. You got the wrong message - you can clearly see that even the smallest nuclear explosion ever is more violent than the one shown. Your vid clearly slows a slow-burning chemical reaction.
As for the visual effects, well, it's not like editing software exists.

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The Bartini Beriev VVA-14 was an experimental amphibious VTOL aircraft that incorporated the ground effect into its design. The intent was to create an anti-submarine aircraft that could sit atop the water loitering. At a moments notice it would soar into the air and engage submarines with depth charges.

This is an extremely unique airframe. To my knowledge no other airplane could go through water like a boat, glove over it like an ekranoplan, hover like a helicopter, and soar like an airplane. Curiously it was designed by an Italian for the the Societ military. Truly remarkable.

You just can't help but love the batshit insanity of many of these serious proposals.

Polyus: The Soviet Death Star

When Reagan called for the "Star Wars" Strategic Defense Initiative, the Soviets were incredibly concerned. Their entire ICBM strategy was potentially obsolete in the face of American orbiting satellites equipped to defeat them in the upper atmosphere. As a result, the Soviet military set forth on developing Polyus, also known as Skif.

Polyus was the heaviest satellite ever built and the largest object to be launched into space. Painted an ominous black, the satellite was equipped with a carbon dioxide mega watt laser and still-classified defense capabilities. The idea was that in the event of nuclear war, Polyus would destroy American SDI satellites, clearing the way for Soviet ICBMs.

Polyus failed to achieve orbit and burnt up in the atmosphere. Official reports attributed this to technical error, but I am of the opinion Western sabotage was involved.

Here's the thing…Reagan's SDI program turned out to be all talk. There never was an American satellite defense network. The Soviets were so concerned though by the possibility, that they constructed this incredibly expensive weapon to counter the non-existant threat.

Pictures of Polyus. The wreckage now lies at the bottom of the Pacific.

I love all that experimental R&D stuff.
It brought us birds like this.

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This is Quiet Bird. This existence of this stealth fighter was only revealed last year. Constructed by Boeing in 1962, the similarities between this 50 year old aircraft and modern stealth fighters like the F22 and F35 and striking.

From the gold plated canopy to the aircraft's chine-line that separates it smooth shallowly curved bottom and trapezoidal features are key tenets of stealth design to this day.

It is unknown whether this aircraft ever saw operational usage. It's existence is heavily classified and Boeing itself admits most records pertaining to Quiet Bird were destroyed in the 1970s. It was designed to operate begin enemy lines and I have a feeling the aircraft saw combat in Cambodia or Laos.

It just goes to show that the classified world is light years ahead of civilian technology. The head of Skunkworks once said that anything you can dream of, we have already built it.

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bong checking in, the issue of shipping pollution was brought up on Question Time and one panel member gave a great answer about how the only realistic solution is nuclear powered cargo ships but for many reasons they would be politically unacceptable, the people complaining about pollution from ships are also opposed to nuclear power. I'll try and find a link

very sad to see what could be achieved with no restraints

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the rumor had it that the target was a fuel / ammo dump with some bad shit in the basement that (((they))) wanted gone, so (((they))) hit it with a tiny tactical nuke on a bunker penetrating missile.

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Looking at it I can tell you now.
That thing would not have had a long flying time.
You'd probably be counting its flight time in minutes rather than hours.

The other issue with nuclear cargo ships is what happens when the inevitable sinking of one occurs.
Accidents happen in cargo shipping on a regular basis. Ships capsize or just break and sink.
More than a few Chinese ships have actually snapped due to poor welding.

did they fix the heat issue? how?

That phone would have got toasted by EMP if it was a neutron bomb, and all those observers would be dead.

That's not scintillation. There would be no focal point for scintillation, it would envelope the entire CCD. That looks like burning pieces of fuel / material being thrown from the explosion. The exposure on that particular shot is shorter than the other shots (notice darker sky), giving you a better view of the particles flying off.

The military doctrine behind the use of the 5.56 Nato .223 round is that if you KILL the enemy, then you don't affect morale of the enemy but instead make it stronger.

So the idea is to WOUND the enemy soldier, so that 2 other soldiers have to stop and help the guy, meanwhile their morale is reduced and they are thinking about poor old Slava back in the medical tent instead of doing their job.

The M4 that uses larger ammo, can punch through trees, enter and then exit a steel drum filled with water or oil, etc. I haven't seen a demo but assume it will punch through concrete blocks also. So this would be used when the enemy is behind some improvised hiding or in urban warfare scenarios. like say Iraq.

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The problem with the whole idea of the 5.56 in that regard though is that it's never been tested.
There's been no war against a stable nation with a developed military. Just developing nations with weak militaries and militias.

There's a psychological effect on the people of the home country too. Instead of seeing caskets, they see cripples.

Interesting thread OP

Holy fuck stop posting fuddlore.
5.56 was used because it was incredibly lightweight, compact, and was effective up to 350 yards (the average engagement distance) out of a 20 inch barrel.

The M4 lead to the adoption of the Mk318 round and retirement of M855 green dot ammo because the M4s shorter barrel caused anemic terminal ballistics in the M855 round because M855 was designed for a 20 inch barrel.

Anyone who follows weapons procurement knows that the Pentagon has a mild obsession with increasing hit probability. This logic is what led to the M14 being replaced with the M16. The M16 of course used a smaller bullet that allowed a soldier to carry more ammo and fired a lot faster.

But earlier, other attempts to increase hit probability were made. Famous among these was Project SALVO, which led to the development of the M198 7.62 duplex round.

The idea is simple, cram two bullets into one cartridge so that each shot has twice the probability of impacting. The M198 was actually adopted, standardized, and produced in vast quantities.

Springfield SPIW (special purpose individual weapon). Also a product of Project Salvo, this little Cold War beauty fired 12 gauge flechette cartridges. If you don't know what a flechette is, it is a thin fin stabilized needle that has superior terminal ballistics to a plain ol' bullet.

Many attempts have been made to create a flechette rifle, notably the Speingfioed example above and a more advanced rifle produced by AAI in the 80s.

Sadly, the only use of flechette a were in "beehive" artillery rounds. It's a shame, because those babies cut through jungle foliage and into soft gook flesh like a hot knife through butter.

Main problem with flechete rifles was their tendency to ricochet everywhere in urban environments making room clearing the same thing as shooting yourself everywhere at once.

there was also a duplex program for the M16 during the ACR trials

Trouble was/is mass. Flechettes from rifles are awesome against human targets but they perform poorly when fired through dense foliage or in the rain. They just don't have the mass.

Did it work? I mean, it seems retarded but did it work?

Any chance you can find a good maker space/hacker space nearby? Level of talent can be high.

I know one guy that claimed the Rod of God was actually deployed. And that the huge chemical factory explosion in China was one rod's effect - warning the Chinese to behave.

He may have been in a position to know; but of course it can never be verified.

Wouldn't amateur astronomers and such like have noticed it?

Ah yes because the explosion just happened spontaneously out of nowhere and wasn't caused by a fire that burned for what a few hours before the explosion?

I firmly believe that once jewish lies are removed from science and engineering, the advancement of those fields will be the vehicle to finally throw off the shackles of the eternal jew and live peaceful lives working the earth as you desire. I don't think space travel is likely for a number of reasons, and I am almost certain that physical limitations will present AI from ever becoming a meaningful reality.
The white race does have the means through our ability to harness nature to finally solve the jewish problem though. Once free of that influence, I think we will leave the decadent cities and empty dystopian world of modernity behind to return to where we are truly happy.

This is a great thread, but holy shit is that link addictive.

The rod itself would not be very wide and would be moving very quickly. If at night, I doubt it would glint very much.

I am not LARPing, just relaying what one guy who I do know served in the US military for many years, told me. I admit I can't prove or disprove anything about it.

No, I'd be surprised if they could even be detected on radar.

Yes duplex rounds did work, but that doesn't mean they weren't a bit retarded. It improved hit probability but not to the extent the Army had hoped.

Duplex ammunition experiences some major limitations that smaller caliber rounds do not. Being larger caliber rounds, the shooter experiences more recoil during firing. The two 84gr bullets suffer each from their combined recoil impulse as it affects the shooter’s accuracy and speed. In other words, while individual 5.56mm rounds do not throw off and fatigue the shooter as much as individual 7.62mm rounds, duplex 7.62mm rounds will. The ammunition load, too, is not improved. While the duplex shooter fires more projectiles than the single-bullet shooter, no more opportunities are afforded him than the latter, if their ammunition load is the same. In contrast, the small caliber high velocity rifle affords the shooter approximately double the number of opportunities to engage and destroy the enemy, for a given weight.

Finally, though the designers of the duplex rounds made an effort to ensure the twin bullets would follow different trajectories, and though this may have somewhat improved the hit probability of the rifle, the two bullets simply cannot separate very much over normal combat distances. As a result, the suppressive capability of the duplex rifle would have been much, much more similar to the single-bullet firing 7.62mm rifle than to the single-bullet firing 5.56mm rifle with its vastly improved combat load and recoil characteristics. The capability of riflemen with lightweight, small caliber rifles to affect more fire onto an area target more quickly, thereby overwhelming the enemy with superior fire output, is the greatest advantage the small caliber rifle brings to the modern infantryman. The duplex-firing large caliber rifle’s limited dispersion does not afford it as great an advantage in this respect.

Think he was talking about the satellite platform.

This is the Martin P-6M SeaMaster. It is, without question, one of the dankest amphibious aircraft ever made.

It was developed as way to give the Navy a nuclear weapons delivery system. These babies could just sit on the water bobbing with the waves until they were given the order to strike.

It was a good concept, but one that was unfortunately made rapidly obsolete by the Navy's development of submarine launched ballistic missiles.

Whoops, that first picture is not a SeaMaster. That is a Corvair Sea Dart. Another interesting jet age amphibian. The idea was to replace aircraft carriers by making jet fighters that didn't need runways. It actually worked too. Unfortunately, minute disturbances in the surface of the water could disrupt the aircraft when it was at high take off speeds. A test pilot was killed when his sea dart violently destroyed itself during take off, and the program was cancelled.

However, I think the concept could be revisited with drones….

This is the Aerojet XM174 automatic grenade launcher. It was small enough to be carried by hand and had a interchangeable magazine that had 12 40mm grenades. Sure, it looks unbalanced as hell, but it looks to me like a viable weapon system. I wonder why it was abandoned. Saw limited action in Vietnam.

Became this I'm guessing.

It was cover for a secret missile launch site program apparently.

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned the parasite fighter/flying aircraft carrier concept. The USAF actually played around with this for many years, developing the purpose built XF-85 Goblin. The Goblin could be loaded into the bomb bay of a larger aircraft, giving the bomber the ability to send out an instant wing man to defend against interceptors.

Other concept involved piggybacking fighters atop of bombers, of joining them at the wingtips.

I will admit that the revolving grenade launcher is a more practical design, but the Aerojet XM174 carried twice the ammo, fired full auto, and had magazines which enabled much faster reload. Maybe it was just overkill.

Should have called in a gremlin, can imagine that thing causing all kinds of problems.

There is a reason 40mm is only full auto when mounted these days. That kind of recoil is no joke.

In the oven you go, kike.

Alternative layouts for flying aircraft carriers. The SR-71 pictured with the D-21 reconnaissance drone was actually used operationally.

this. Meant to reply to the guy with this earlier but had to go afk. The fact the noise only appears around the explosion is absurd

also isn't it high energy particles that cause the noise? not gamma rays?

Didn't realize how cute a blackbird could be giving piggy back rides to it's little brother.

Not really. They'd need a ship to get them to the area of operation.
They'd be lost if they went via sea.
And couldn't really operate from most coastal regions.
Aircraft carriers meanwhile provide a consistent stable platform and most importantly the support infrastructure that aircraft need.

Probably had some glaring mechanical or operational issue.
As pointed out. The need was there but my guess is the magazines weren't sufficiently safe. Or insufficiently flexible. Since you can quickly swap out a grenade in the revolver design for a different type of grenade whereas you'd have to look through multiple magazines to find one with what you need for the aerojet.

The idea was interesting for sure. But there were just too many practicality problems and by the time it was possible to solve them the nature of air warfare had changed too much.

this is such a fucking load of BS.

5.56 will kill you just as much as a 7.62 round will if hit at center of mass. In fact, entering the realm of hearsay, 7.62 may even be less deadly because of its tendency to just pass through targets. They had to redesign the round back in the 70s or 80s because of this and that only mitigated it somewhat

Even if it were controllable full auto with a GL isn't really that great of an idea for a hand held.

Ammo weight would be a problem. With explosive ammo semi auto is just as devastating in most cases. I'd much rather have 2 guys carrying the revolver than 1 auto gl and one guy just carrying ammo.

I think everyone ITT knows the "New Cold War" with Russia is lame as fuck.

This is more a celebration of what can be done in terms of science and technology when a society is properly motivated, not so much a celebration of the motivation itself.

Yes, and I showed you what one exploding looks like. A brilliant flash of light followed by a relatively cool cloud of dust. Chemical fuel-air explosives produce fireballs because there is fuel burning slowly. Nuclear explosions only make rising balls of fire when they heat ambient air up to red hot temperature. There is no fuel to burn in a nuke, it's a for all practical purposes anyway instantaneous release of vast amounts of radiation.
It clearly was. Otherwise you would see nothing but a shockwave.
They evidently did not. But it may well have been an ammo or fuel dump, judging by the massive explosion.

How is that thing supposed to fly?

sheer fear of Russians and communism

A couple of small jet engines. What else could it be?

Bumping so that OP keeps dumping more /comfy/ tech shit.

Where are these engines?

Look at it. There's nothing. No propulasion at all.

It's just a box with a guy standing in it, and some landing skis.

looked this thing up on jewpedia. It actually uses two piston engines for a powerplant.

also, see the air intakes on the side, and how it's open underneath? the propellers are in the bottom

wait I was wrong. That thing uses a turbofan, the air intakes should have given it away.

Pic relateds used piston engines. You couldn't pay me to fly the first one

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Williams_F107

It's actually a turbofan engine. The platform in the post is the Williams X-Jet

The thing is, a seaplane tender would do the same job as an aircraft carrier for a fraction of a price. The Germans even experimented with refueling seaplanes with submarines.

Aircraft carriers are a huge scam. They are giant sitting ducks, can't go through canals. During WWII nearly half of enemy ships were destroyed by seaplanes, with submarines making up another large proportion of kills. Carrier based aircraft were a distant third.

A seaplane could mine an area to prevent an aircraft carrier from even getting close to the target. They are giant lumbering beasts and their designs contain many inherent weaknesses.

Consider this: an aircraft carrier with 5,000 men with fast jets that carry 3,000 lbs of bombs apiece of a seaplane and a tender with a crew of 50 that carries 30,000 lbs of bombs? Given equal budgets, a seaplane/tender force would be immensely more powerful than an aircraft carrier. Besides, one Chinese ASBM and a billion dollar aircraft carrier becomes a watery grave for thousands of sailors.

Military industrial complex rears its ugly head.

Carriers were primarily used to give aircraft action to coastal areas to provide air support for infantry.
Their primary function remains to provide reach for aircraft to strike ground targets

And to provide maintenance and upkeep for aircraft you need a lot of space. Not just for the aircraft but for spare parts, machine shops and workspace.
The ships depicted in those pictures? Wouldn't be capable of providing any meaningful support to those aircraft. Refuel and rearm, that's about it. Maybe some basic upkeep. But woebetide they have a major engine problem or need structural repairs.

Aircraft Carriers weren't used primarily to kill ships in WW2. They were designed to provide ready support for invasion forces in the Pacific almost entirely. Whether that is destroying enemy aircraft, or providing Close Air Support, which by the way, Seaplanes absolutely fucking suck at.

Primarily because seaplanes have a tendency to be rather large. Due to needing that size to stay afloat safely and take off/land in choppy water.

Yup. And for that reason Aircraft Carriers will remain a must for any nation that wants to project their power.

That is until orbital assault becomes a reality.

To be fair I wager even then.

If you're planning to spend a lot of time on a planet it's probably going to make more sense to have a sea based carrier equipped with aircraft designed for its atmosphere.
Hell dropping one from orbit is probably going to be more sensible than making a vehicle capable of making the trip from orbit to the surface combat zone then back again.
Which is saying a lot considering.

You want good glass for the windows in that house?
You want sheet metal to build that grain silo?

You want science.

I see what you guys are saying. But consider this.

In the Pacific War, aircraft carriers were needed to provide air support during amphibious invasions. Amphibious invasions were needed to acquire airfields. Airfields were needed because heavy bombers could not take off from aircraft carriers.

All this would be irrelevant if the heavy bombers could take off from water. If the United States had mass produced the Martin Mars (with more payload than any other allied aircraft) and used these to firebomb Japan's vulnerable cities from the get-go, there wouldn't of been need for island hopping. Defeats on land had nothing to do with Japan's surrender. It was all due to the strangulation of supply lines and the bombing of the mainland, both of which could have been carried out by seaplanes.

You think that's the largest helicopter on earth?

Oh jeez, I hate to break this to you….

Problem is seaplanes could not provide that.
They're big slow and bulky even by bomber standards with a much lower payload and the issue of rearming them at sea.
And this is before we get into maintenance requirements. How do you maintain the aircraft in those conditions?

The approach of using light bombers and ground support fighters to aid in capturing airfields was a lot more feasible.

Here's a video on building the shelter in the first pic if anyone is interested

I've never read that one from Viktor Suvorov, thanks

I've always wanted to see America build this in orbit and claim the entire solar system as American clay. Hopefully the Trump NASA builds it to establish and enforce the imperium.
Ave Trump. America Invictus.

So grapeshot, then?

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Those insignia look pretty cool.

user pointed out that exact flaw in the third sentence, learn some reading comprehension.

Here's a video of the ACR project. Is it just me or does the soldier firing the AAI rifle keep pulling the trigger a couple of times in between each shot?

Those insignia look pretty cool.

That was actually enjoyable…no idea why.

Christ, how horrifying.

My raifu. I also love that it was the futuristic railgun in Demolition Man.

While not Cold War, would you anons be interested in seeing photos of the Hanford Reactor from eastern WA? It was one of the sites where the US enriched uranium for the Manhattan Project.

What's your problem with Mattis?

I did not know it had a radiation warhead on it. I read previously that it simply pierces the target, not to mention it was so hot (from air friction at going mach who knows 10+) that the entire front half was red hot and melting. It would make sense to have a warhead that disables all possible devices on the incoming device. I wonder what range and effectiveness that would have been.

Please see this

The idea was to use neutron flux from the enhanced radiation warhead to destroy any electronics/fusing mechanisms in the target. Also because a small-ish nuke warhead is better than kinetic impact kills- since it's easier to hit MIRVs that way.

Intense neutron radiation would cause neutron activation (read: transmutation) and ruin the materials inside an enemy warhead before it can damage anything. It's not enough to nuke it and fuck the electronics- you have to fuck all matter inside that warhead to be sure.

I've been reading that link for a few hours now and just curious, what the the current state of conscription in Russia? Or how do they man their armed forces? I check Wikipedia and there's an article on it, but it has the same general descriptions as I've read in articles over a decade ago (muh hazing etc etc).

Can they still effectively man their military?

The US built secret silo locations, preferably close to their enemy nation in order to prevent or launch in advance. Someone said his dad was stationed in Greenland a few years back, he talked a little bit about these old silo places, can't remember much other than him saying abandoned/flooded with ice. Iceland found out this year that the US stored nuclear missiles in their base over there in Iceland. They were pretty mad learning about it, since their entire country never knew a thing about it.

I always thought these were immersion-breaking in Snake Eater, it's amazing that they were actually proposed.

Yea, when I said all devices I implied the mechanical devices, since there are probably 3rd or 4th fail safe mechanisms. I'm not too knowledgeable about nuclear engineering, but after reading transmutation I kind of understand.. this is crazy stuff. So forcing transmutation, not natural, obviously an explosion right? Thing is in the sprint videos they never exploded, either hit/miss, I guess they didn't want a mini nuclear explosion nearby lol. So.. the explosion comes from shifting the neutron? And the way to fail the enemy missile is simply the explosive force correct? By heat, blast wave.

you still need some sort of drydock for the planes. How are you gonna fix a heavy bomber that got pummeled with flak out on the ocean? There are just so many logistical problems with sea planes. Maybe you could have some special drydock ship to work on sea planes, but that's another logistical problem

No.

The Sprint missile used a W66 nucelear warhead. It carried a neutron bomb as its payload.
An intercept would work like this:
So, for example, Lithium will transmute into Hydrogen and Helium. Other elements will do similarly screwy stuff or transmute into unstable isotopes and give off heat, gamma rays, etc. It really just FUCKS with matter to get a fast neutron in the nucleus

That's how it stops enemy missiles.

Ok wait after watching the
Davy Crockett video I realized that nuclear bombs have a different effectiveness than what I've really ever known. Its not the heat or blast wave that makes nuclear bombs effective, but the initial 'nuclear' flash? I'm quite confused, can you explain shortly how this achieves damaging effects on external bodies? (In the video it mentions the eye goggles were for the protection of the initial nuclear burst flash only) What happens if my eye views a nuclear burst? Is it just simply a different type of wave form of energy.. gamma. I'm just thinking of heat transfer right now, how heat radiation affects 2 bodies instantly if there is a heat difference (which I would imagine is a big percent of damage for heavy nuclear devices, considering they can reach millions of degrees thus vaporizing everything from instant heat radiation transfer). Is this nuclear - gamma wave - burst similar to heat radiation in terms of energy transfer? Why would it hurt only your eyes though at a distance? Why are they safe with their skin open to nuclear bursts?

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Understood. I figured in my mind that transmutation would occur in the MIRV rocket, but I thought I'd sound crazy that it would happen. That is insane!!!!!!!! Are you telling me that we've had elements shifting to other elements on Earth then and not just in the sun? How far does transmutation occur for this, would it mess up tree's elements if this was 500 feet above ground? I'd imagine the power decay is exponential in terms of distance. Did the Japanese nuclear bombs have transmutation or this is only a thing for neutron bombs? Sounds horrifying to have your body element composition literally altered while being vaporized
This probably answered my post, but I'd like to know just how those goggles can protect a nuclear blast. If a nuclear burst behaves like a blast wave propagation then I would assume neutrons would get into your eyes unless you are spherically covered by heavy metal.

Okay, so a bomb is basically a very rapid release of energy.

Normal bombs use the breaking of chemical bonds to release energy. Pretty simple stuff. Some oxidation products are produced as a byproduct because we're breaking apart molecules here.

Nuclear bombs release energy too, they release it by fission or fusion. You can boost a fission warhead with fission effects without having a proper thermonuclear weapon. The important things to consider when thinking about nuclear weapons are:

They release their energy as photons and fast-moving particles, namely neutrons and alpha particles (helium nuclei). They release their energy as RADIATION. The intense radiation interacts with the atmosphere to produce the fireball we all know. The initial flash is photons- ranging from infrared to visible and on up to X-ray and Gamma ray in the EM spectrum. The visible light is only part of it, there's also infrared- hence the burning. There's a reason older bombers were painted in anti-flash white: because normal paint would catch fire when it gets hit by all those photons carrying energy that'll be transferred to the paint and thus be bled off as thermal energy and… yeah, catch fire or singe off!

So the release of energy itself creates a shockwave- a wave of massive overpressure. This is what smashes buildings.

The flash gives off a lot of photons in various spectra (infrared, visible, x-ray, and gamma ray) and these all have their own effects. There's the visible flash, the burns, etc. The high energy x-rays interact with the atmosphere to light that shit on fire and that's your fireball!

There are also alpha particles and neutrons, both of which are moving VERY, VERY fast. Alpha radiation isn't so bad, your skin will stop it but sufficient exposure can burn it from the impact of alpha particles upon the skin.

Neutrons are penetrating, they'll fly through matter because most matter is empty space (the space between the electron shell and the nucleus). The neutron radiation is heavy though in an enhanced radiation (neutron bomb) warhead, so we see ~80% of a blast's radiation in the form of neutrons. Those neutrons, when they DO hit the nucleus of an atom, will dislodge protons or neutrons and thus the atom becomes a different element or a different isotope of itself. This isn't, at least normally, a very stable thing. The dislodging of things from an atomic nucleus is normally accompanied by the production of heat and the emission of other types of radiation (beta or alpha particles, gamma radiation).

In something sensitive like a warhead's fuse or guidance system, this isn't survivable. In something like a tree, the tree's going to die. In you, you're going to die. In a building, the building will stand but the transmuted atoms in the building's materials are going to be emitting a lot of nasty radioactive shit as they return to a more stable state. There's also the trouble that can come when the neutron bombardment is intense enough to transmute ENOUGH of a material's atoms to affect structure- this is called neutron embrittlement.

Does that answer everything adequately?

(witnessed)
Working in defense, I can attest to this. Basically executives and finance have engineers and program managers by the balls. They will massively underbid proposals to get contracts. Now with too small of a budget, engineers, technicians, and program managers are rushed with their work and end up doing doing a shitty job the first time around. This leads to issues and failures on the manufacturing floor and testing. Now that the program is behind schedule, the big wigs realize that they have to make up for lost ground so that they can meet the deadline for the contract with the customer. So now it is flowed down to the engineers and program managers to rush to go back and fix the problems that could have been avoided the first time around. And surprise! More failures in testing or in production. F-35 is the poster child of this. Too many rushed issues and the budget becomes overblown. Same issues in MDA contracts. I'm not surprised this happens, especially when (((they))) are dealing with finances most of the time. It must be their propensity for thinking short term.

I used to know all sorts of stuff like this. I started using the chans and now all I can talk about is Kek and RaHoWa. Your intelligence is depressing me.

You should really read this. Trust me, you won't regret it.

dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a241165.pdf

You might rage, but you'll realize the Soviets had a pretty GREAT approach to weapons design and procurement going for them. I'm not a fan of some of it, but we could definitely learn from their personnel strategy and how they promoted/used their engineers as they gained experience.

Interesting watch, pretty good system for its time to integrate all sensors and men relaying information and directing.

Answers it pretty well thanks. I guess the actual power number/effectiveness analysis of testing is top secret, so this is all we can go by.
The fireball makes a mushroom cloud by the way simply because the hot air (ball of fire) is less dense than the surrounding less hot air, thus lifting up (buoyancy).
I'm guessing that is what so called EMP bombs are like? Sending small particles everywhere, and a small physical change (in a processor) in hardware usually results in failure. Also similar to the rare sun flare in 1859 which somehow caused all telegraphs to fail at that time. (This was a few years after America linked up their wires under the Atlantic to Europe via Britain/Nova Scotia) Crazy how these small particles can mess with stuff.

Loving it already, design it rugged and cannibalize broken parts on the ground from previous regiment, instead of having expensive supply replenishment lines/ expensive spare parts.

Pretty interesting read so far. Thanks for the read! I'll have to pass it on to my colleagues. For infantry, ground based products I find their echelon philosophy is pretty elegant; build simple, rugged equipment that is in a sense universal for soldiers of varying skill sets. For very simple situations it really is a great philosophy.

With a background more in space applications I am perplexed as typically we are dealing with high reliability products that are supposed to last for several decades. I don't know if I could live with myself sending up junk hardware on a satellite (as the saying goes in Space, what comes up ain't coming down). I Imagine that they will address space applications later on in the book. They probably build satellites that last a couple of years as opposed to decades. Ill find out I suppose.

The part that had me rage a little was this part on page 20. "In the Soviet system, knowledge is so compartmentalized that those working in one
department do not know what-the other departments are doing." I see a lot of mistakes happen in industry when groups such as hardware design don't communicate with the electrical or parts and materials groups. I believe effective communication leads to more thorough designs and implementations.

I spent the last several hours reading this, and have previously read 'Aquarium' and most of 'Spetsnaz'

I swear I just cant put his non-fiction stuff down. The Soviet Union just amazes me, how it worked, with very few liking it, and everybody afraid, but it worked.

I don't understand how he managed to accumulate so much knowledge of its workings when it was almost always worked against. But I guess that makes sense if he ended up GRU. He ends up with just this wealth of knowledge not just about Soviet military but of course their enemies. And just all of the anecdotes and stories that illustrate what life was like.

Anybody have other authors to recommend for somebody interested in life in the Soviet Union? It almost doesn't matter the exact topic, I just think it's fascinating and terrifying.

The one thing that always strikes me the most heavily is that in a lot of ways there's not much difference between penal system and the military.

By this I mean that information was supposed to be compartmentalized to an extreme degree, but his apparent path to the GRU seems to have given him a wealth of experiences and knowledge.

I always have my doubts about defectors and the info they present, I think that Yuri Bezmenov's story seems shady to me (defecting in India and pretending to be a western hippie? doesn't seem believable to me, I don't think he would pass as a western hippie but perhaps the soviet intelligence services were really weak in India). But the stories that "Suvorov" gives seem a lot more credible to me. I noticed in 'Aquarium' that when it got to his actual defection at the end of the book, there were very few details, that made it more believable IMO

I also served in the USAF (enlisted), and it was so soft and comfy to be ridiculous. I don't think it was good for the nation, myself, or anybody. Just too soft. Every time I read Suvorov I look back at my own experiences and feel, frankly, like a child or girl. The experiences are so drastically different.

Comparing the US and Russia or the Soviet Union is like comparing apples to oranges? Something like that? I realize we pretty much always stomped them on production but there are other factors

I also think it's interesting that his works are available on a .ru domain today, and (maybe this means nothing, or maybe it's supposed to seed doubt) the account that posted his works on the site is Hoaxer ([email protected]/* */))

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This is a very /comfy/ tread. I like it when we come together and share info as we do here.

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This is why USA should stay out of world affairs.

What the fuck is wrong with you.

Which universe am I in?

That feel when I did a software engineering degree and can't participate in awesome future tech. Should have at least picked computer engineering.

The orange revolution in 2004 was beta testing.

this is probably giving them too much credit.

I think hillary and co have a hate boner for Russia because they really wanted to fuck Syria up, and Obongo said no. This was after Libya. Then Putin defused the entire chemical weapon thing that could have been their way in. All those cocksuckers were planning on toppling another regime, and it exploded in their face. Now you got butthurt douches reliving their childhoods and blaming Russia for everything because Putin ruined their fun.

Glad you like it! It's certainly interesting stuff to see how the Soviets worked in comparison with our own system.

EMP doesn't work that way and just about any explosive can make a mushroom cloud if it's big enough.

Wiki is your friend when it comes to looking up specifics of things like EMP and other effects.

I can't believe it, it's actually real.

That thing exists, and can fly.

Why don't we have these now?

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Loud, short ranged, and made you a massive target. Small UAVs like the cypher If we are going full metal gear are much better at the job.

I think the poster is more into, y'know, fun. Imagine owning one for personal use!

Wild boar hunting (if you're a burgerfat in the south) just got a lot more fun!

The commute to work is way better since you're moving at a max speed of 60mph but as the crow flies and without traffic.

It'a a sense of wonder, adventure, and fun beyond pure practicality that kinda defines European man. There's a reason we've raced horses or chariots for as long as we've had them. There's a reason we race damn near every means of conveyance we've ever contrived.

There's a reason we waste resources on impractical vehicles and even why Hitler demanded the Autobahns be scenic and fun on which to drive.

Our breed of humanity might be the most technically, martially, and economically adept but we aren't robots. We've always had a strong sense of fun and adventure. We love games, friendly competition, sport, and general fun.

Hell, look at the FOODS European man developed! We eat as much for pleasure as for sustenance, being one of only a few cultures to elevate it to an art form. We forget this all too often in our modern struggle, our fun-loving roots.

So acknowledge it's be fun to fly the Williams X-Jet, that racing excites you, and that you enjoy a well-made meal just for the taste rather than the nutritional content.

These are the fruits of the economies we create: enjoyment. There's no shame in it!

How much woudl that cost to buy?
Holy fuck that would be extremely practical living in a city. WIth modern tech I'm sure it could be improved upon much better. We could have these now, the question is (((why))) don't we?

Noise pollution laws and the jet wash would be a pretty big hazard.

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Honestly they should build a Pershing 3 missile that's designed to be hidden in cargo containers.

You mean all your freaky dubs?

On a more serious note;
I'm sure there are nukes in places we could only imagine.

I loved playing with the drone in that game, you could set it on it's own path and waypoints for recon and just have it hover and spot enemies for you. It also had this little beep when it hit a waypoint or spotted an enemy and it was especially comfy on that one night map where you are alone in Mexican not-Central Park with patrols and vehicles everywhere and all of your team was on a different helicopter that didn't get shot down

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How much $$$ would you need to build your own underground bunker hat you could also use as your regular house, except since it's a bunker it take almost no maintenance?

Bunker user here. Bunkers require a hell of a lot of maintenance, ventilation is a big one and moisture control as well.

Then it's useless? In the sense that it would be too time consuming for just one person, right?

To a point. Its not like a normal house in which you do stuff from time to time, its a weekly checklist.

I find this hard to believe. What's the worst that could happen if I do it half assed? Will it be extra dusty or actually super uninhabitable

Since user mentioned moisture, it's a given that it can lead to mold if unchecked and it's obvious that mold leads to illness.

You suffocate in worse case scenario. You need constant moving airflow and the moisture that you and the cold concrete add to the air does hell upon the ventilation system. Mold is another big fucking concern and that can and will kill you if unchecked.

There are missile silo conversion bunkers. I think if you had enough people around you you can stand it would be something interesting to throw money together for and split duties.

looks like a trippy praxis effect

Wasn't this the plot of Utopia?

See, the simplicity of stuff like CRISPR even in our crises riddled sciences is evidence to me that civilizations in antiquity were far more advanced than we think. But their technology was abused to the point that the masses decided they had had enough and destroyed all the tools and instruments and books and lived happier and safe primitive lives, all while establishing cultural practices to prohibit the research into technology and science that would have restored the conditions of absolute tyranny.

Sorry I'm a bit late in replying user, but here's my list of 1970s sci fi films that don't suck shit:

Detonation was approx 2 miles from filming.