Hey Holla Forums, I don't think I've seen a thread like this in years or even once being on Holla Forums so I decided to make one.
This thread is mainly to dump pictures and art of the republic and empire, personal comments on why the empire fell, what would of you done differently as emperor and general Ancient Rome discussion as its a new sector of history I am highly interested in recently.
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Degeneracy
Racemixing (multiculturalism)
Expanding into too many different territories by force
Corruption jews
Allowing enemies to be incorporated into its ranks and cities
They literally cucked themsevles and their people to death.
The Bolshevism of their day. Guess what it was.
Forgot to say, notice any similarites to modern America?
They became degenerates, complacent with their victory. Their society was infiltrated by (((foreign elements))) and imploded upon itself in less then 200 years.
The final nail in their coffin came when they allowed the poor and suffering Teutonic refugees to cross then Rhine into their land, because surely they will settle and integrate into the Roman society :^).
The Roman Empire was the pinnacle of humanity, a goal that thus far no one has reached ever since. It's legacy changed the Earth so intensely, that we cannot even imagine a history without the Romans.
Ave!
Slave based economy and early socialism model destroyed any opportunity or incentive for the citizenry to climb socially. That nullified any inventiveness (the model for the steam engine was there but no application when you had slaves doing everything) and who wants to serve in the military when bread is for free.
Rosenberg talks a lot about this in his myth.
Any source on that, user?
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Oh, that. It wasn't really a particularly useful design, you know.
are you a retard? you realise they have to start somewhere right? do you expect it to be a fully working steam engine? they where on the brink of a industrial revolution. do you fucking realise what that would have done if they thought of it more than just a toy?
Well, it's pretty much related…
The Empire fell due to the degeneracy resulting from the acceptance of the values of (((Christianity))).
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1. Non existent monetary politic. Money became more and more diluted due to trade sapping the coinage and general kikery. Dacia was meant to get the gold mines but got abandoned due to barbar-kun
2. Slave economy. Very low energy.
3. Gibsmedatds took a very big portion of the state budget.
4. The Roman solar maximum went into a little ice age approx 350. Probably the main reason for the downfall since farm yields were decimated.
5. As a consequence of the colder weather, germanics started to migrate, overwhelming the Empire in the process. They couldn't assimilate them all.
6. The overextension of the Empire. The Germania-Panonnia-Balkans line was way too open and way too long. This one wouldn't be too bad if whole nations wouldn't start to migrate. The wars with Parthia were exhausting and had no practical purpose for the Empire in general. Imagine the Iraq war set in ancient times.
7. Degeneracy and corruption. The ruling classes stopped ruling and starting to fuck around.
Christianity believe it or not was a consequence of the collapse, not the reason. People simply abandoned old gods becouse they've felt that they were betrayed by them due to general chaos at that time.
I would do what the Emperors did IRL.
Leave provinces behind and retreat into more easily defendable provinces. Splitting the Empire and adapting a new, young religion was also a good idea to reinvigorate the masses and cut down on degeneracy.
The only thing that I would maybe do different is to establish different parts of the Imperium as independent kingdoms/republics/empires with capable rulers, similar to the empire of Alexander with a common alliance. A Confederation type of thing. USA type of government.
Let them adapt to local priorities since Rome was very very far away, especially for times that demanded instant action.
But it's hard to say becouse those times were certainly a perfect storm of shit. The sun was quite unstable.
Rome's major problem was the problem of succession when an Emperor died. Because the Empire was ruled by the best general (Imperator is general in latin), it invited many pretenders to the throne, and each civil war left Rome weaker than before.
The five good emperors were following Hadrian's succession order, so there was stability and peace. When Maruc Aurelius' co-emperor died, he gave it to his son Commodus and shit went bad.
Is it that Semitic cult with the members who wear a miniature version of an execution implement?
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Points 1 and 7 are spot on. The hyperinflation until Diocletian and Constantine's reforms of the solidii really destroyed the economy. On top of that, when you have the senatorial class hording its gold in their villas and not spending it on public works for the glory of the Empire as they did in the past, you have the very seeds of feudalism. For example, the Empire paid the Huns 2000 solidii as tribute for not attacking within Roman borders - the average Senator made around 100,000 annually.
This, if I had to pick up a singular reason why Rome fell, which is already a gross over-simplification, I'd pick the Constitutio Antoniniana aka Edict of Caracalla
Holy shit, I made the thread yesterday yet I couldn't reply nor post for some odd reason. Sorry peeps, interesting replies though!
Ave Roma.
Remember to read this book, praetor.
Do you guys think the US situation is more similar to the collapse of the republic or the empire?
Republic I'd say, then maybe Trump represents Julius Caesar?
(Spooked)
Satan, Trump doesn't look like Ceasar, at least from what I can tell. He's never wanted to uproot the system, just shove through necessary reforms to stop it from collapsing. He's a Sulla - he'll reform the system and everything will be fine for a generation before the Gracchai brothers bring up that the fundamental problems still have not been solved.
Hail Caesar!
Hail Caeser! That's your answer.
romans were the first globalists
Sounds silly but technically aren't all empires "globalists" in a sense?
I think it has no precedent.
And is more of a true fulfillment of a certain prophecy. :^)
Probably.
There are many people looking to become Caesar now though.
Very contentious claim user. The beginning of civilization is essentially concomitant with the globalizing trend inherent to capital. The Sumerian city-states were essentially the first extension of city power over rural territory, which was possible due to the introduction of writing and basic mathematics that made the central administration of widely dispersed territories possible for the first time. Then there was the Bronze Age/Ancient Near East civilization, comprising the Egyptians, Hittites, and Ionians, which featured an increase of trade up to the point of those kingdoms' declines. Plato and those were at a historical point in their own society akin to our Renaissance, when ancient knowledge was restored and the means of practical improvement of that knowledge was distributed (again, writing).
If one examines the Chinese(?) forerunners of the Shang dynasty, one again observes the same trend of capitalization playing a central role in the extension and consolidation of the power of cities over rural territories and the enslavement of entire races of people. I know this won't be popular here, but I suspect that the Asians are one civilizational cycle ahead of Europe which is why they have the maturity to accept and embrace technology rather than trying to subvert it.
This user's mostly on the money. Christianity was largely a consequence of the Empir'es fall rather than a cause. The Roman people faced much of the same decimation of atomization as we are currently experiencing, and quite often the Christian communities were simply functional whereas Roman society could only offer intermittent material satisfaction (bread and circuses). Christianity offered hope and meaning to a people that were quite certain they were living at the end of civilizational history, full stop. Augustine's City of God is very instructive for this. The Dark Ages were the result of recovering from Rome rather than losing it.
Anons that aren't familiar with John Glubb should acquaint themselves with this: The Fate of Empires. About 30 pages, summarizes the features and trends of empires of all kinds from how they grow to how they decline. Many of the same trends that are present and obvious today - over-reliance on the education system, the provision of healthcare and welfare to the needy, debauchery praised in popular song and art, so on, Glubb discusses all of these trends happening in many empires before our own.
And the jews weasled their way into every court before they crumbled. Hmmmm….
Are you a retard? The guy you're responding to acknowledged that was where they started and recognized that the start was not useful for anything practical. They didn't have the metallurgical ability to create enough pressure for anything beyond novelty.
Consequence of diminished asabiya among the elites. Jews are consequence of and exacerbate the decline. Not a singular problem but a problem when connected to others.