Sonic #291 Listed As Cancelled, Email Going To Subscribers About Sonic Comics Later In April

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R.I.P.

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Penders really did win in the end.

Is this what you wanted, Penders, you fucking sack of human refuse? To kill off an entire comic that people loved, even just as it was getting really good, all so you could use your donut steels in a marginally inferior comic?

First megaman, now sonk too?

I've been hearing people talk about Pender in reference to Sonic comics, and a couple of times in reference to some female CEO who did some weird shit to her co-workers for years now and somehow never learned who the hell Pender actually is, could someone please explain this?

Penders is an autist who used to write the comics and has an obsession for Knuckles who eventually got fired. A few years ago he filed a lawsuit against the comic for using his characters (even though they were actually Archie's) and won even though Archie and Sega should have won. The papers for those character's copyright were burned in a warehouse fire or something similar and it would not surprise me if we learn sometime in the future if Penders was behind that. Anyway because Penders did the lawsuit the comic rebooted to explain why so many characters couldn't appear anymore causing a large chunk of readership to leave. I heard in the last thread that the reason why the comic is canceled is because he did another lawsuit.

The CEO of Archie is a SJW insane woman who constantly fucks up her companyy and now Archie looks to be on it's death bed. I think what your talking about is when she referred to her male employees as penises for a week or some shit.

What the hell is his problem?

Fuck, it almost made 300 issues too.

While I can't say I've cared much about the book after it rebooted, I am a bit sad to see it all end overall.

A couple things that are incorrect here

Penders left Archie. He was demoted and he left on his own thinking they'd bring him back.

Penders didn't outright win in court, Archie settled after pressure from SEGA to do so.

Losing his contract due to a warehouse fire was never confirmed.

Penders is not suing Archie again. A company in relation to Scott Fulop, another former writer and editor, is suing Archie and SEGA this time.

My bad, I was just going off by what I remembered.

what IS known about the contract is that Archie presented a photocopy of the original. It was ruled to not be good enough

How?

I believe they thought there was a chance Archie could've forged or tampered with it and they didn't want to set a precedent for companies being able to do that.

You are absolutely RETARDED if you believe this. BTW, Archie Comics is ran by literal Jews that have been infamous for treating creative talent like shit for multiple decades. The autists are the people who just want to put this through their Chris Chan sanic fan lens instead of maybe considering the fact Archie's expensive Jew legal team got BTFO because they weren't following the law in regards to their employment practices.

It would make an amazing plot twist in this whole thing.

Can you really be infamous for that in the comic book industry? I mean not every company does it but pretty much all the mainstays do.

I wouldn't say infamous I'd say that stuff is so common no one cares.

Well, yeah. I guess so. If they can still employ an artist who is a famous tracer, just because he turns in his work on time, they'd allow any artist of questionable background.

Is it actually that widely known that Land literally traces porn? Because I'm pretty sure he still wins awards every now and then.

SONIC'S DEAD

*throws pennies at chris*

Archie is an awful company, but that doesn't make me any less sad about this news.

You're retarded if you believe that Penders shouldn't own his shitty derivatives of licensed characters, even though the terms of the contract was that he would not own his shitty derivatives of licensed characters?

The dark ages are coming back for fast-fags.

Neither of those are likely to do any worse with it than Archie. It's Sega who determine what the publisher can and can't do with its licence

It can't be as bad as when Penders was writing.

trips of truth

If Mania and Forces bomb then Sonic is definitely dead.

Fuck, what ever happened to them? I actually like the opening issues of All Hail Megatron (that is how you do a "military vs Cybertronian" story, Michael Bay) but damn…that drop.

Nohing can come close to Penders era sonic, nothing.

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Mania will probably do well Forces depends if the game is good or not.

Both of them will probably do average. It's not like kids like Sonic and the only people who will buy those games already know about them.

That's not what happened imo. Archie tried to screw Penders out of paying him for reprinting his comics. The thing about rights to the crappy characters he created was more about getting back at Archie for being Jews that treated him like dirt. Similar thing happened to Dan DeCarlo who only lost his court case because of the statute of limitations. Archie has a long history of talent that worked for them for multiple decades (in some cases 40 years) and they all ended up getting treated like garbage by them. Casting Penders as the bad guy here is a stretch imo, whether or not you think he sucks.

Sonic is getting a Hollywood movie that will give him extra exposure.

Both sides are bad in this case.

Your opinion doesn't count for anything. That's exactly what happened.

fuck off fence sitter

What will be next?

Wait, what did happen to them? I haven't read any of their stuff for a while.

Hopefully anything, what do they have left? Riverdale? Regular archie comics? I hate one and dont care for the other, would like to see archie fall at this point

Do they still make Sabrina comics?

Penders really did it. The absolute mad man fucked over one of the biggest vidya franchises in history to the point where he got the official comic cancelled.

Its a novel series actually.

All you need to know

But it was because of Penders that Fullop took action since Penders was the one who told him that Sega was using his characters without permission and even helped him with the lawsuit as seen on his twitter.

sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Ken_Penders'_legal_cases

I wonder if this can get further.

If the new Sonic game has Knuckles or a new Echidna, you can bet that he'll lose his shit. He even threw a shitfit on Twitter when Knuckles made a cameo in Sonic Lost World.

Calm down, Chris Chan, I'm sure they'll change Sonic's arms back to skin tone again.

autism.

The moustache really hides it

agreed. I was unfortunate to come across this comic with issue #47.

Aka, when penders took over full control and tried to steer the franchise into his own design. Killing off dr robotnik, then pushing a 25 years later storyline. He wanted to force everyone to write for him.

I like Penders because he's like the killer of autist's hopes and dreams.

that being said, dropped this shit as soon as I realized it wasnt some temporary gimmick to stir up sales, but was the way the comic was headed. dropped after issue #75

He's also the killer of his own dream.

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Blaming this all on Penders is retarded. Archie Comics has been going out of business since the old owners died and the new retarded ones took over. Archie Comics management deserves blame for fumbling the license. Penders is a convenient scapegoat. If Archie survives two years into the future, I'd be fucking shocked at this point.

Penders is a major reason in it, though. The fact they let him seize so much control and gave him so much ammunition is why shit is happening now.

Management fail. No competent editor or publisher lets one writer write your series so far off base that it needs to be completely rebooted and completely cast aside almost 2 decades of story as if they never happened.

Shit like that happens with the other big companies all the time, but they're usually small retcons or re-imaginings of the original stories, not erasing 20 fucking years of story completely and pretending they never happened.

Penders managed to steer the original comic, which up until the #30's issues were loosely tied storylines with little or no coherent story other than "sonic and co. fuck up robotnik's shit with hilarious results"

Then they took on a Knuckles miniseries and Penders hopped on that like flies on shit.

Which explains his autistic obsession with echidnas, it was the first character he could hijack. Then he was given control in the #40's issues and started overriding the other writers and editorial decisions, banking on strict timelines so no one could undo his bullshit. IIRC he often submitted his stories late so no one could properly counter his shit and pushed everyone to work the midnight oil. Hence why a lot of the comics during his prime had very low quality art from talented artists.

He also fucked over Junior Artist Dawn Best, and by the time she quit Archie, he was literally tracing over her work and re-drawing it. Showing her "how it's done" She does not speak of her years in Archie at all. I talked to her shortly after she left, and she at first talked positively about him, then not long after the stockholm syndrome wore off, she became apprehensive of archie and penders, and then deleted all her art and stories from that time period. Now all she'll tell you is that she worked there and that's it.

He was toxic, he took over the comic alongside a few others (Bollers, etc) and ran a shit show for at least another decade until they started prying the comic back from him, to which he fucking stormed off, hoping the comic would die without him. Then sued when it didn't.

To downplay his role in the downward spiral the comic series has had is being disingenuous. He was a major factor.

The management fail was not seeing his clear manipulation and shitcanning him sooner. Sonic Live and all his previous works should have been a "no fucking duh" to shitcanning him.

It's also a fucking shame that he managed to convince disney to let him draw the AOSTH dvd covers over better artists, claiming the fans liked him. When he was the one who fucked over Ben Hurst when they were pitching a revival of that series.


I honestly think that SEGA will either get someone else to do the comics, make their own digital comics division , or just give up on long term comics as no one gives a shit about comics in 2017 unless they tie in with a product directly in limited release.

If SEGA does revive this shit with their own writers and artists, I hope they re-hire the current archie writers and artists, they have been doing nothing but justice for the series the best they can.

Ian did wonders turning Penders and Bollers' shit writing around before the reboot.

jesus christ, he is literally living off of lawsuits at this point, no wonder Archie is divesting themselves of Sonic. It's a huge legal nightmare.

I retract my previous statement, Sega is likely not to recreate a sonic comic series after this. He'll just sue them for making another comic series, claiming he owns the concept of making a sonic comic or something frivolous.

I had an employee like this guy. I'm honestly waiting for a lawsuit from him.

The comics were and never actually good with or without Penders. Archie Comics is the McDonald's of comic books, and they treat and pay all their talent accordingly. Penders trying to do something with a product Archie obviously views as disposable is a testament to him, not a criticism. Even if it was bad, he at least gave a shit, because I read all the comics before Penders and you have to be shitting me if you think anyone before him gave a shit about what they were writing. Your perspective is fucked up, and so are all the sanic autists who obsess about this guy like he's super Hitler. Seriously, the obsession over Penders is pretty much un-hinged, but that's Sanic fandom for you. Honestly, Archie should have been leveled into a burning fire of wreckage for how they fucked over Dan DeCarlo, someone who broke their back for them for 40 years. Let's not forget Archie Comics is literally responsible for the CCA, and Richard Goldwatrer personally ran EC Comics out of business. I'd shake Penders' hand honestly for holding Archie accountable for not following the law in how they take advantage of creative talent and don't pay them for what they were owed.

John Goldwater*

The big two are worse. No one gives a shit about Archie anymore.

That is literally the only thing that has come out of this. Archie has always been a shit company. I liken them as the radioshack of comics. They're always within reach everywhere you go. They did what marvel and DC wouldnt do, which is sell to grocery stores.

However, ignoring the fact that penders has also attacked SEGA and the game franchises and is still threatening more lawsuits against SEGA specifically is also causing damage beyond Archie.

to add to this:

Penders has made sure that the comic cannot continue without him. His ego was so huge that he bulldozed his way into relevance, wrote the comic into a wall on purpose so he could push his own lore contrary to SEGA, then when he didn't get his way, he went to work on killing it.

Archie Comics killing off horror and crime comics via the CCA did far more damage to the industry than anything I can imagine coming from the big two. Killing off newstands was at least a self inflicted wound and not a direct attack against other publishers.

You're buying into your own narrative. Comics retcon shit all the time. It's not like he had some huge evil plan like you are suggesting just because he developed his own story arcs. Archie made itself a target through shitty business practices, so the company shouldn't have made enemies. If you think Penders is the only person who has a vendetta against Archie Comics, you're mistaken (some of them died right after they got fucked over though, so you can't hear anything more from them I guess). If Penders was so in the wrong, the courts wouldn't have lifted his hand in victory.

I honestly want to see Sonic drawn by Andy Price

Anons explained multiple times how he tried to hijack a comic that was supposed to be a team effort into a fanfiction he alone could write, and how he caused problems for SEGA too.


You're a fucking retard.
Just because you're a basement dwelling autist who looked up to Penders as the Autist Magnus it doesn't make your bullshit true or believable. Get the fuck out.

Possibly the dumbest post I've ever seen on Holla Forums.
Litigation has nothing to do with the fucking truth, it has to do with two things: money, and time (because lawyers' time costs money)
Penders spent years making a ridiculous clusterfuck, and archie couldn't spend their way out of it.
Jesus, kid, you're a moron.

Insert Holla Forums in the last panel's door…

>>>/mlp/
>>>/pone/
>>>/trash/

Cry me a river weeb

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His suit against Sega and EA got laughed out of court twice and he settled his Archie suit out of court. You're an idiot.

Just becuase a narrative is parroted here doesn't make it truth. The fanboys hate Penders, of course they're going to make elaborate tales that bend the truth in their favor to make him look like some kind of villain. This isn't anything new. The Penders hate has been non-stop in Sonic fandom for at least 10 years now. Get some context. You may as well be asking Holla Forums for their opinion on the Beastie Boys or something.

All the court cases were going Penders' way. It's why Archie gave up and settled. Archie wasn't following the law for it's third party contractor work period. This wasn't the only lawsuit about it either.

I never said the Sega/EA lawsuits had merit, but the Archie one did, thus him winning. This wasn't a fucking sexual harassment suit that that they had to settle to stop negative PR. They settled because Archie's expensive jew lawyers were getting wrecked in court. This is a story about the little guy creator holding a crappy company that treats its creative talent like livestock accountable for not following employment law.

Companies arent nameless, they have people working for them, a successful lawsuit of one man vs a company often can cost many families their income

Just cause management are horrible people doesnt mean employees are, and its usually the employees that suffer

Archie doesn't really have employees. They had creative talent treated as third party contractor freleancers who were paid a terrible page rate until they were all let go recently to pave the way for Tumblr clique people, like the person responsible for the "unsolicited opinions on Israel" and the Squirell Girl artist (until she was replaced, but still they were stupid enough to hire her). You can't really apply these bleeding heart arguments to this company. It was literally one Jewish family getting rich off of other people's back breaking labor, and now those people doing the back breaking labor don't even fucking work there anymore.

Penders was one of those 'tumblr clique writers', ex one comic he had bad guys exclaim "he's so powerful" when refering to blaze the cat, then having her stop and wag her finger and say "i'm actually a girl", or something like that.

Imagine a scenario where the shitty squirrel girl writer sues marvel, and the only thing that gets cancelled is the vision family series. Now we get to see that writer act all smug, while a decent comic gets cancelled.

Sure marvel gets hit, but wont fall, and only we suffer the loss of good comics

You don't really understand what 'settled out of court' means, do you?

I stopped reading during the universe reboot because I knew that Penders killed the comic, and that putting it on life support isn't going to save it. Looks like I was right.

Please this is fucking retarded. Not everyone who is moderately liberal by 90's standards is "Tumblr." The people I did mention came directly from Tumblr and are the most Tumblr people in the fucking industry by a long shot.


You're so dumb you think people only settle for reason, don't you? Archie didn't settle because of bad PR or because of court costs, they settled because it looks like they were losing and kept getting their asses handed to them in court. This is a fucking fact. Go read all the past news articles about the case.

*only settle for one reason

Yes they did. They settled because a trial would have been lengthy and expensive and because Sega told them to make it go away. Space Knuckles wasn't worth it.

No they didn't, you butt hurt fanboy:


Archie Comics was losing the case, because Archie Comics was not following the law period. Go back to jacking off to how much you hate Penders. You're wrong.

Fair enough (the tumblr part) but you are nitpicking. Penders was a bad writer and has a cringy twitter, he is disliked for a reason.

My point (and everyone elses) seems to be that penders and archie suck, and that the comics (as of ian flynn) do not. So we are reasonably upset by the incompetence of archie and the spitefulness of penders.

How the law was followed or lawsuit was consucted is irrelevant.

Of course we're fucking fanboys, why do you think we're upset that our comic got cancelled

Ian Flynn was a Penders fanboy. You get that right? Flynn can go wherever the fucking license goes post-Archie. He would just end up being treated like last days garbage like every other person who has been employed by that company that's not named Goldwater. Honestly, Archie is sinking like the Titanic. If you think Penders is the only reason Sega is pulling out, I don't think you're cognizant of what is going on with that company. Titles end up delayed there for months because they can't afford to print them.


Holla Forums has the least self awareness of any board on hatechan by a long shot

Go back to /pol

This Holla Forums is like everything that was wrong with halfchan's before tumblr took it over. The only difference is it's way more willing to shit on the Big Two, but somehow lets their shit dominate comic discussion even more.

that's because most of the faggots that mpost here ARE from halfchan's Holla Forums both before and post tumblr. once the exodus happened all those fags that took it personally had to go somewhere. 8/co/ is dying faster than another board because they push people out for not adhering to their safe space regulations. however unlike halfchan where if you dont like it too bad its the only place to be here peole just make smaller specific boards. you know why no one storytimes here any more? its because the austists pushed them out and now /storytime/ exists. discussion cant happen here because attention whore faggots need to derail every single thread and when the thread isnt being derailed Holla Forums and Holla Forums have bitch fits.

fucking trying not to have giant blocks of text is also bad because muh reddit spacing if you arent one with the hive mind well better get back to Holla Forums or Holla Forums or leftypo/ or whatever th new Holla Forums boogyman is now.

shit I've been here since the exodus and its a slow going shit show. in a year i bet this Holla Forums will be a fuckng ghost town with nothing but shit threads and trash and any potential discussions will all be relegated to general boards.

/storytime has been around for a really long time, it was origionally sn archive for /co storytimes

I dont think anyone disliked stoytimes, people just got lazy

Holla Forums has an aging population, our young and bright either left to persure their dreams, leaving us behind. Or we just all got old and too busy.

its not about disliking them its about the antagonistic nature that Holla Forums posses towards anything that doesn't lean towards its way of being. it isn't lazy to not bother posting comics because the thread will eventually get derailed and its not lazy not to try to have meaningful discussion because it will end in the same way as it always does now.

go to any thread the progression is as follows
thats the cycle Holla Forums. adheres to anything that goes against it gets shit on til it dies or out right ignored.

i wont disagree about the aging. it does play a part but in the end 8/co/ is just a place for bitter assholes to be sad and bitter about everything. No Fun Allowed should be a banner.

kill yourself.

Man I'm sad. I remember reading them because I expected a so bad it's good situation only to find that they were unironically fucking incredible. Then I read a number of issues back to find penders stories to find something worse than I could have ever imagined. Flynn didn't deserve this, that guy is a fucking hero for taking biggest shitshow in the world and turning it into gold along with the artists they brought on board at that point.
I left after the reboot for many reasons but ultimately it wasn't the same characters and world I had fallen in love with, which once again is so shocking because the foundations for all of that was created by Penders. I

Oh boo hoo you little spergy faggot.
It sucked, and anyone who liked it sucked.
Penders did nothing wrong enforcing his legal rights.
Sega fucked up, Archie fucked up, and Flynn fucked up by taking the job.


This is much deserved.

Maybe they're ALL assholes.
Maybe thay're all assholes being assholes to each other, no one is the good guy, and the only loser is US.

you're absolutely right, you are losers for liking such a shit comic. Grow up already, this was garbage aimed at 10 year olds whose balls haven't dropped yet.

Nope, it was good. I dare say this was one of he best comics out there.

It was never fucking good. I tried it multiple times. Unless you want to imagine Betty and Veronica dyking out, the only good action comic to ever come out of Archie was the TMNT one, which was done by Mirage anyways with Archie acting as distributors.

Also again Penders is a convenient scapegoat, but Sega is going to be rolling out a big Hollywood Sanic movie soon to try to re-establish Sanic in the US. As such, they probably want to take stronger control over the IP.

They already pulled the plug on megaman. It was already over.

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Yeah until the point where most of them were based on a character he had no rights on

What shocks me most is the fact that he is still using Knuckles in his novels. All he did was give him a beard and draw him in his awful art style. Otherwise its the same Future Knuckles from the shitty comic.

Is there actually a novel yet? Has he actually written it?

Not only that but they were created for a comic he knew he would have no reasonable expectation of ownership on.

He probably thinks he owns Knuckles, the twat

Nah, Sega'll totally go the comic route again. I dare say they have even been waiting for this, so they can reboot it and this time have MUCH more oversight and keep shit in check. They were a little too loose with their IP, which is why we had like four different cartoon series and three comics across Archie, some British series, and another one I'm forgetting about.

Now that they're in [Current Year], though, they've been a little more protective of their IP, especially after the autism Penders caused. They're a lot more hard-up on guidelines now, from quizzically specific (No original characters can be related to the 'main cast'- in other words, the 'We don't want another Penders trying to make himself indisposable by making a fuckton of characters we can't drop on the fly if they start getting out of hand' clause) to broad and general ('Yes, we own our own shit and whatever you write needs to be Sonic centric, not for your Donut Steels.')

Sega'll totally get back on print media in some form. Archie was just the last non-Sega leg standing on the IP. Once that's out, you'll likely see them hand it off for easy promotional material- five bucks says it's Boom oriented.

Last I heard, he put that on the backburner and tried his hand at pushing around some kind of sci-fi story or something? There's a gif floating around of the 'trailer' for it. Shit looks like amateur hour in photoshop.

you mean this abomination?

blissful thinking, user

This is a bit autistic but I'm going to miss the freedom fighters.