Daily reminder that abortion is murder of a human being

Daily reminder that abortion is murder of a human being.

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>>835477748That's fine even the bible says there is a time to kill.

>>835477748That shit looks like it's straight out of Berserk

>>835477748Daily reminder that the best way to reduce the number of abortions is to fund planned parenthood so that women get low cost long lasting birth control. More birth control = less abortion

>>835477786>using the bible against bible thumpersfpbp

>>835477748I wanna slide my dick in that slit

Yeah, that doesn't look like a human being.Why are you calling it that?

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>>835477940>Why are you calling it that?Because it is one.Doesn't matter what the fuck they look like.

>>835477748It's actually self defence/preservation. If you want to talk about murder, how about we talk about the holocaust of tens of billions upon billions of innocent animals every year that you support?youtube.com/watch?v=LQRAfJyEsko

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>>835477748Even if it was a human being (which it isn't) I have no problem killing it. I have no problem with murder. What do you do now?

Bullshit. Abortion has no more ethical significance than trimming one's fingernails. An acorn is not an oak tree.

sometimes sacrifice and death is required for society to function.

>>835477991niggers don’t look like humans, neither do fetuses. Extra points if you abort a niglet fetus

nigga, we have 8 billion people we don't need any more retards like you.

>>835477748These arguments are so stupid.It just boils down to the subjective opinion of when you think a child becomes a child.Some people think contraceptives are murder. Some people think early abortion is murder. Etc.

>>835477820The morons won't take it, most rely on 'pulling out' which almost never works but people are stupid and will continue to do it.

>>835478039>niggaNigger detected

Is this sad? Yes. But people should be allowed a choice. They should just fund studies to see if fetuses do begin to experience consciousness as early as 5 months. If so that should become a cutoff threshold. Nothing over that threshold gets aborted. Yes its a life but if it was aborted before it even experienced consciousness then it was nothing more than a clump of cells that was developing into what was next in its phase of being a fetus.

>>835478186>They should just fund studies to see if fetuses do begin to experience consciousness as early as 5 monthsThat's irrelevant to someone having the legal ability to defend their body.

>>835477748you can't murder that which isn't technically alive.even the Bible says a fetus is without worth unless it has taken its first breath of free air and lived at least one month outside the womb.So.......you can fuck right offalso/sage

>>835477748Na. Human beings are self sufficient and able to contribute to society independently. That thing is just a potential human and current burden.I say until it's able to make a coherent argument for why it shouldn't be killed, we allow parents to do whatever they deem right to what basically amounts to their own property.

>>835477820>More birth control =more fattiesmore mental illness

Daily reminder that ever vaccine has human fetal lung fibroblast harvested from aborted babies. You had aborted babies running through you veins long before you thought it was wrong.

>>835478305Shut the fuck up with your dumb religion

>>835478364>More birth control = less welfare leechesless broken families

Wow, based as fuck replies. Abortion is fine.

>>835477748that potential human got lucky. they'd end up suffering in life in one way or another. bringing a human into this world is straight up cruel

>>835478386>ever vaccine has human fetal lung fibroblast harvested from aborted babiesAborted fetus, singular. You make it sound like they chop up whole human beings and put it into a needle. You'll find the same trace amounts of human DNA in a vaccine, as you will find on a piece of fruit that someone touched. It's virtually nothing.It's there, because in most cases, you're not making a vaccine for animals.

>>835477748Nah, that's not a person. It's a young fetus and has no interests, desires, preferences, object permenance, relationships, self-awareness, values, ego, intelligence, or emotions. People have those things.

>>835478473actually at this point it's debateable. poor people definitely more birth control options. a lot of them just don't know how to go about doing it but recently they are finding out that a lot of recent divorces are happening due to changes in attraction during different periods of a woman's cycle. hormonal bc tricks their body into thinking it's preg, so the woman is more attracted to more gentle and feminine traits. so after they get off the pill and/deliver a child, they become disgusted with their husbands and bail out. most likely contributes to why women initiate so often

>>835477826youtu.be/UjZAgNh5X7w

>>835478267A fetus can't defend itself. It has no comprehension about what being aware is.

>>835478364Being this retarded

>>835478852Injecting people with a dead baby is still injecting people with a dead baby,Brb gonna shoot up some fruit.

>>835479266If that's where you'll split hairs, then you're Hitler for breathing the air that he did.

>>835477820Bullshit.Abortion has gone up exponetionally since it became legal.Women who have had abortions should be steralized, men who preassure stupid women to get abortions should be hanged.Niggers should be forced to have madatory abortions after the first pregnancy.

>>835477748make up your mind you want less blacks but less abortions? you people are so stupid.

>>835477748always bothered me that people like you only care about people until they're born then its work yourself to death just to survive because something something rugged individualism for all but the rich

I personally think abortion is amazing!check this song out this guy makes it sound funny.soundcloud.com/user-331996896/slicc-ken-leoloksta-devil-nightz

>>835478267There are numerous people that would volunteer for such study.

>>835477748As long as it's legal. What the fuck do I care? If I had a kid, I'd kill it, if I legally could to get out of supporting it.

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>>835477940Lol but it is you science denying retard

>>835477998How is it not human?

Post it in the rekt thread faggot

>>835477748daily reminder that murder is a common occurrence and unsolved murder a lot more common than you think.

>>835477748this is my fetischkik me more abortions pls killenxl on kik

>>835479433Thats a dream come true for some people

>>835481342>unsolved murder a lot more common than you think.~50%most solved murders were committed by somebody close to the victim. It is very difficult to solve murders of strangers

>>835479433Im curious, so if we keep cloning the same person and harvesting its organs, will that count as 1 death?

>> Why are you calling it that?>> Because it is one. Doesn't matter what the fuck they look like.Wow! "Because" ...That's not an answer, though, is it. You just repeated what you said.And don't quote me any Bible malarkey, OK? That's also a deficient base to build your argument on.Here's my thesis: it's up to you to prove that mass of cells is a human. Go.

>>835477820Daily reminder that birth control pills are about 10 dollars a month in the US. About a sixth of what women pay for their cell phone plan

>>835478018So at what point does it become a tree? Where is your arbitrary line you have drawn?

>>835477748If you're American>Defund planned parenthood and circumcision>Keep them both legal Things will get better.

>>835482635>Defund planned parenthoodRetarded>circumcisionWe don't "fund" circumcisions. The fuck?>keep them both legalNo, make the circumcisions illegalYou go away

>>835477997Prochoice is just as hypocritical. Save the animals! ... except for unborn humans.If you held a demonstration in front of a room full of prochoice vegans and laid out 100 fertilized chicken eggs near the point of hatching, then took a hammer and smashed them all, your audience would be up in arms. But a late term abortion? Perfectly fine with it.

>>835482251If you cloned someone, it'd a new person. And if you killed them for their organs, it would count as a new death, not the death of the original. But that's if you're cloning a whole human being, to say nothing of the inefficiency and ethical complications that come with growing a full, functioning human being, just for a heart. When cloning organs, you may not even have to kill anyone. The cells that came from the fetus sample are on par with lab-grown skin cells at this point. It's a culture of cells, generations removed.>>835482802Eggs... don't pose a harm to the hen like that. This is a very bad argument.

>>835477748No, it isn't

>>835482710Medicaid pays for it in many states, so your opinion is probably irrelevant if you didn't even know that.

>>835482830 What does harm to the hen have anything to do with my example? The main prochoice argument is that a fetus is not a life until is is born

>>835477748you still eat burgers don't you?

>> If you held a demonstration in front of a room full of prochoice vegans and laid out 100 fertilized chicken eggs near the point of hatching, then took a hammer and smashed them all, your audience would be up in arms. But a late term abortion? Perfectly fine with it.Uh, no. Maybe work on your example a bit, cause it sucks.How about put 100 fetuses out and smash them with a hammer too, I'd be pretty disgusted and I'm pro-choice.Frankly, I'd be after you for the chicken eggs as well, and I'm an omnivore.See, your example sucks.

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>>835479889>[reported] Abortion has gone up exponetionally since it became legal.maybe someone should have been included in that statistic

Who cares what makes a human life so inherently sacred

>>835477820My girl relatives and girls I used to know that used birth control about half or so could not conceive. It could be that they're barren or their husband has issue but they said it's not the husband. All have used birth control for years and now that they want to have kids, they can't. Some of them did the in vitro fertilization, spent 100 grand or more and got twins who are a bit off...

>>835482986>Frankly, I'd be after you for the chicken eggs as well, and I'm an omnivore.You just made my point, faggot

I've been saying for years that we need to find a way to temporarily sterilize people from birth or at the beginning of puberty. If one chooses to have children they have to pass a process similar to adoption. If you pass you get your shot that allows you two to reproduce again.

>>835478054Early abortion not murder, anytime after 4 weeks could say it is

>>835482802This is the issue I have with prolifers. You automatically run to late term abortions as if it's the only kind.

>>835478186Yes, freedom of choice,

>>835483054Cool anecdotal story with zero science behind it.

>>835478305Yes

>>835482933You dont even know the pro choice arguement omegalol

>>835482802Why did you ignore the fact that i said its self defence?

>>835478386Incorrect.

>>835477748do you remember being in your moms womb user?

>>835482933>What does harm to the hen have anything to do with my exampleIn the utmost sense, your preferred construct of "late term abortions" does not correspond to the reality therein. Abortions are never done within the window where a live birth is about to happen.That would be the exact moment you describe in your analogy. Where baby chicks are, as you said, near the point of hatching. Furthermore... those kinds of abortions don't just happen for funsies. For them to be considered, there hat to be some kind of serious risk to either the mother, or the child, if it were to be delivered. I don't see how your random assortment of 100 fertilized eggs, nearly ready to hatch... consist of the same variables, and are thus an appropriate equivalence. Frankly, you propose we smash them with hammers.What medical professional is hitting pregnant women in the 30th week of pregnancy, with a hammer? Come now. Seriously, you have to explain just why you're killing baby chicks that are practically about to hatch. Think about it. If there's nothing wrong with them, or the eggs, why are you smashing them?For funsies? Even if there was something wrong with 60 of the eggs... why are you still smashing them with a hammer? Heavens, man, no.>The main prochoice argument is that a fetus is not a life until is is bornYou know that's a deliberate misrepresentation of those who argue such. You know this, because you took care to mention that the abortions are happening, late.

>>835478364I guess 90% of European women are fatties then...Don't lie to us, we all know the US women don't use the pill because it cost a fortune and often isn't covered by private insurance, not because of anything else.

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>>835483217So where is the line that it is ok to abort in your opinion?

>>835483401I don't remember preschool. What is your point?

>> >Frankly, I'd be after you for the chicken eggs as well, and I'm an omnivore.>> You just made my point, faggotI'm sorry, do I know you? You seem a bit unhinged ...I didn't prove your or anyone else's point. I just think smashing things (alive or dead) with a hammer is disgusting. All that goo, and the violence of it.Perhaps you don't know that abortions are performed in a clinical setting, that they don't just put 100 of them out on a table at one time and then smash them with hammers?And don't you know that there are people going hungry in America and those 100 chicken eggs could have provided nutrition for a bunch of unwed mothers who couldn't get an abortion and so have to raise their child in poverty?What point was it that you were trying to make, initially? Abortion is bad? No, I don't agree with that blanket statement.Or, are you a chicken-lover? Maybe that's it. You're not anti-abortion at all, you just have a sick love for fowls.Chicken-lover ...

Daily reminder that there is no non-religious argument against abortion. >>835477991No it's not. It lacks multiple of the essential qualities to be considered an independent life. It's human tissue. It's not a person or a human being. Destroying it is no ethically different from destroying a tumor.

>>835483433It is about 10 dollars a month. They spend more than that at a fast food restaurant at one time.

>>835483472That some people remember preschool.

>>8354777481. Astor2. Collin3. Bundy4. Du Pont5. Freeman6. Kennedy7. Onassis8. Lee9. Raynold10. Rothschild11. Rockerfeller12. Russel13. Van Duyn>>835482957

>>835483513you still need a prescription moron.

>>8354834333 months of the pill with no insurance is $125 in my state. What are you on about?

>>835483514And?

>>835482585when it can survive on its own, breathe,eat,walk,talk,and shit

>>835477748What's retarded about this debate is that people equate abortion being murder to whether or not it should be legal or notUpon implantation, the fertilized egg is officially a human. Implantation is the best logical line to create the distinction because men and women let eggs and sperm go to waste all the time, just because one meets the other, it doesn't mean it they shouldn't be allowed to go to waste.Anyone who says an implanted fertilized egg isn't a human then logically believes that people living outside the womb who become unable to survive on their own are no longer human because they require outside assistanceThis simple parallel should be enough to sway the simpleminded. Beyond that, though, it should be clear to all the 'birth' is an entirely broad word with a vast array of definitions that make it impossible to truly define within this contextMoving farther back, people say that once a baby can survive on its own outside the womb, that's the logical point it becomes a human. What people who believe this forget is that the baby cannot survive on its own. We largely, as an entire species, cannot survive on our own. We all need natural and manmade things to survive. Heat, water, food, etc. Unless you live entirely independently of all outside resource (impossible here as you cannot independently connect to the internet), you have no ground to state that the baby isn't a human unless you agree that you are not a human.Outside of its morality (entirely immoral and murder, obv) should abortion be illegal? The answer to that question is no, unless the government becomes a socialist state with demands for all conceived children, the mother can just as easily kill the child from neglect after it separates from her body. To do right by any conceived but planned to be unkept child, abortion has to remain legal for society to stay true to it's pursuit of happiness

>>835483570And, user is saying that no one remembers being in the womb, not that no one remembers preschool.

>>83548354Yes. And?

>>835477748daily reminder that you are a failed control freak incelseethe harder

>>835477748how many niglets have you adopted?

>> implantation, the fertilized egg is officially a human.Source, please. And none of that Bible malarkey ...

>>835483594>Anyone who says an implanted fertilized egg isn't a humanit isn't you fucking longwinded retard

>>835483590 on its own.... Can a 4 month old baby do that? So by your logic they can be aborted?

>>835477748Daily reminder your a fucking douche bag none of your business if someone you don’t know or ever will gets an abortion it’s their choice not yours

>>835477748Better never being born than having shitty parents...

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>> believes that people living outside the womb who become unable to survive on their own are no longer humanYes, a dead person meets your definition of human. Are dead people human?And if not, at what point do you draw the line between them being alive and being dead?I mean, they look human, at least for a while, until they start looking like an aborted fetus. But they can't survive by themselves outside of the womb. Hell, they can't survive at all, even with outside help ...I'm sure there's some Bible malarkey you can quote ...

>>83548344912-15 weeks max. Which is around 90% if all abortions are taking place. Your "late term abortion" is only about 1-2 percent of all abortions, which takes place around 20-24 weeks. Get it done early or not at all.

>>835483697>Doesn't read>Wants to debateHow's that sub 80 IQ working out so far?

>>835483554Wrong. Go to goodrx dot com. Type in birth control.You are welcome.

>>835483673I literally explained it in simple terms as to why implantation is the logical starting point

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>>835483541Yes. So what is your point? And if you didn't want to go that route, plan B is prescription free.Moron.

this looks like general gau chicken. id eat that with a side of white rice

>>835477748that's tomato paste.

>>835483759You get injured, you need to be put on a ventilator- that means you are no better than a baby who still needs its mother to continue to live

>>835483594>you have no ground to state that the baby isn't a human unless you agree that you are not a human> Unless you live entirely independently of all outside resourceI feel like that's an especially unreasonable piece of criterion for being human. I could argue why, at length.But then you said this.>Anyone who says an implanted fertilized egg isn't a human then logically believesYou might be making a critical error here. I hope you've enough mind to see the extent of why you might be, for you've already said why.

>>835481316it can't survive on its own outside of the womb?

>>835483809But it's not, because there's no way of knowing if it's even viable, it's a crap shoot, something like 50% of women's fertilized eggs are deemed nonviable by the body for one reason or another and are expelled during normal mensturation. People who are hyperfocused on abortion do not really understand and they're only affecting quality medical care with their retarded abstracts.

>>835483763You should read up on Virginia law that is trying to be passed about late term abortion.

>>835477748If that’s murder blowing my load is genocide

>>835477748Doesn't look human to me. Fuck em.

>>835483756If your parents does not existed then you wont be able to post some shit on 4chan/b. If your parents hates you they should have abort you from the beginning. Be thankful to your parents mate!

>>835483852Except, people on ventilators wouldn't thrive better if you gave them their mothers.This is a wild hill to die on, user.

>> I literally explained it in simple terms as to why implantation is the logical starting pointYes, that's called an opinion, and you have one and I have one. I asked for a source that confirmed the definition you floated. And you said it was "you."I reject "you" as a source of anything, your opinion is valueless to me. If you read enough of Holla Forums you'll find people proposing that black people are "logically" inferior. That's obvious bullshit, but it's some people's opinion.Are you the same guy that said "Because" when I asked him why a fetus was human? If so, you just did it again.Try saying something that doesn't start with "Because" or "Because I said so."So far, you've demonstrated you can't ...

>>835477748Daily reminder that you should've been aborted

>>835483930Yes, the phantasm of a law that never gets mentioned by name.

>>835483930>VirginiaIt's probably some "god's will" shit to pretty much kill the mom to save the unborn child that probably won't even make it because there's already complications. Correct me if I'm wrong.They just want kids to rape in the foster system.

>>835483594Wrong, retard.> Upon implantation, the fertilized egg is officially a human.Why implantation? Why not fertilization? What point during fertilization? It's a process that takes up to 24 hours. A huge portion of fertilized embryos self terminate. We don't consider those deaths. Because there was never a human life. At that point there is only the POTENTIAL for human life. It is at the early stage of a continuum. The existence of a continuum does not imply that the two sides are equivalent. If you put bread in a toaster and hit 'toast" in a couple minutes you will have toast. Does that piece of bread become toast the moment you turn on the toaster? Before it's experienced any carmelization or even raised in temperature? No, of course not.There's nothing that makes a zygote 'a' human. It is homo sapien tissue. It is incapable of thought. It is incapable of homeostasis. It has always been incapable of thought. It has always been incapable of homeostasis. There is nothing there that makes it a 'person.' Similarly if someone goes brain dead, even if their heart is still beating, you can take them off of life support. The 'person' they once were has ceased to exist. The only reason to oppose this is a infantile belief in something like a "soul"

>>835477748Some people shouldn't breed.

>> implantation is the logical starting pointI'm going to go out on a limb here and say what you're not saying: you're an evangelical Christian.You're keeping silent on that crucial point because, well, who knows I guess you're ashamed, but probably also because you know all your arguments are dependent on a Bible verse or Biblical interpretation of something.And you know you'll get excoriated if you say that.How do I know? Because every argument you've tried to float isn't connected to anything, anything except your improvable argument that the Bible (i.e. God and His Divine Editors) say so.I think that's why you just keep repeating "because" and "because I say so."Comment?

>>835483986If your parents had been listening to a different song when they fucked you would have never existed. You dad would coom at a slightly different time, and the one of the other sperm would have gotten there first just do to how incredibly unlikely it is for any one sperm to be the first. "but you'd never have existed" is an argument for brainlets. Nearly anything would have caused you to never exist.

>>835484033The Repeal Act. Introduced by rep. Kathy Tan.

>>835484014No source? You're apparently very familiar with this bill.

>>835483958Stop guessing to suit your worldview and go read it.It's the Repeal Act. Rep. Kathy Tan.New York pushing for something very similar.There was a nice piece in the Atlantic about both last year.

>>835483449Ethically? 15-18 weeks. Legally? There should be no hard limit. Anyone who wants to abort does so as early as possible because being pregnant fucking SUCKS. The exteme minority who have late term abortions do so because of medical complications.... Usually some form of "the baby will die sometime before birth, and the longer you have it in your the more of a health risk it is to you." It's a mentally agonizing decision for these women who desperately wanted to have a child, and should be left entirely between a woman, her family, and her doctor.

>>835477748and?

>>835484158>>835484014I explained why a fetus is a human. Any source you state to the contrary will just be another person stating their opinion.>>835484158A lot of babies don't make it out of the womb for natural reasons well after implantation. Your logic is less sound than mine.You make a metaphor to toast, but you don't actually define what it means to be human making it impossible for you to actually take a stance.There is a very good argument to be made that humans don't gain "consciousness" until they are around 7 years old. They eat and sleep and talk and walk, but their higher level thinking doesn't develop until around age 7. Before then, they are just reactionary similar to sperm and egg cells. They don't think or remember, they just exist. Claiming that independent thought defines being a human moves your line for becoming human years after traveling through the birth canal.Having separate labels for stages of development doesn't automatically make each state mutually exclusive of another.A zygote is a human, an embryo is a human and so onI'm simply referring to injury. If you need a ventilator but are expected to make a full recovery, you are no longer human if you believe fetuses aren't human for needing external life support.

>>835484394>Repeal Act. Rep. Kathy Tan.Literally doesn't show up if you even google it. Some tanning tax bill by rand paul is what shows up. You're just a gullible moron.

>>835484277You should be grateful being safely born compared to million of sperms who failed to penetrate your mommy’s ovum. Be grateful for having an internet, mobile devices and being able to shitposting your shitty life on 4chan/b. Our niggas in Africa wont have a chance to enjoy the luxury life you have mate!

>>835484238I haven't once mentioned the bible but made logically sound arguments. The fact you are strawmanning me instead of debating my well worded points show you have no logical retort.If you cant simply debate my logic, do you really believe what you claim to believe?

>>835477748Yeah, not really. If that is your moral stance, that's up to you. But you don't have any right to impose your beliefs on others.People have been disposing of unwanted children since the beginning of the race. Even other animals abandon defective offspring. We do so humanely. The fetus (fetus; not baby) is not yet self-aware. Then again, you don't seem to be super-self-aware yourself, OP. Where do you live?

>>835484692Type in virginia abortion law. Read the piece in the Atlantic- not exactly a radical right wing magazine.

>> No source? You're apparently very familiar with this bill.I'm afraid I don't know what you're talking about. I did see a mention of some bill in an earlier post, but I'm not an American and didn't think it would be worthwhile looking it up, as you mentioned it.I just would like you to admit that you're a Christian, that you've based all your points on the Bible and how that's been interpreted by the old men in your faith.Are you that ashamed of who you are and what you believe?Again, I honestly don't know what that bill you are clinging to is about. You seem to be intimating it includes some definition of when "life" begins ... if so, are you trying to float that as some "source" I should bow down in front of?I think your thought processes are so conditioned by the unquestionable authority of the Bible and how your church interprets that book that you really have lost sight with what "logical" means.Refutation?

>>835484692It is the first thing that shows up on Google.Try harder. I know you can do it.

>>835477748So you think viable human beings can fit in the palm of your hand and be alive?

>>835477748so what asshole

>>835483026This is sick, why does America embrace infant genital mutilation?

>>835479889Women will get abortions legal or not. And in most cases the males involved aren't against it either. More legal abortions have risen, hmmm I wonder why.

>>835484954I made this postYou're responding to 2 different peopleYou really need to tag your fucking responses with post numbers

>>835477748>>835482802if you consider abortion murder then contraception must be murder, too, because you're denying life to a human that could potentially be formed. so masturbation must be murder too because you could be using that seed to impregnate a woman. so using all your load on one woman must be murder as well because you could use half of that for another woman. maybe we should all collect every drop of sperm from every man and every egg cell from every woman because not using any of them means denying a human a chance at life?

>>835477748TECHNOLOGY IS INCREDIBLE

>>835477748Every human kept out of this world at this point is a blessing.Abortions should be mandatory.

>>835485106>>835484954And you need to stop posting "what now??" At the end of every postIt's clear that you're insufferable IRL

>>835483141you see, this is exactly what the person you responded to was talking about. it's just a subjective opinion, there's no convincing anybody on this topic

>>835477748Lol don't care it's mostly niggers anyways

>>835484688>Your logic is less sound than mine.No. You are just logically inept and are conflating "simple" with "correct." Your lack of capacity for nuance isn't an argument. >You make a metaphor to toast, but you don't actually define what it means to be human making it impossible for you to actually take a stance.No, you tard. You are just incapable of understanding logical relationships. The point about toast is to demonstrate that if there is a continuum from one thing to another, and that process will occur without intervention, that does not mean that the two sides of the process are equivalent. It has nothing to do with my definition of a human and has everything to do with your definition being devoid of reason. >There is a very good argument to be made that humans don't gain "consciousness" until they are around 7 years oldNo there isn't. if you start arguing about that you are arguing about an entirely different phenomenon that you are just using the word "consciousness" to describe. A baby can from memories. It can respond to stimuli. It can make rudimentary plans. A bundle of cells without even a single neuron can not do that. cont...

>> I haven't once mentioned the bible but made logically sound arguments. The fact you are strawmanning me instead of debating my well worded points show you have no logical retort.See, this is the problem. You think you've made "well worded points," whatever that means, and that your "logic" is irrefutable by anyone.These are just your opinions. In the same way you have said, "life begins with conception" (and where have I heard it put that way before ... let me think ...) and you expect me and everyone else to just bow down and go "Amen!"However, because your statement is just an opinion I can absolutely obliterate it with the same, but opposite statement: "Life does not begin with conception."And look, again, you are denying your faith. Have the courage of your convictions, why don't you? What is preventing you from admitting you are a Christian and what you think is based on the Bible?Are you afraid it will weaken your arguments if you admit they are Bible-based? Isn't that an admission of the power of secular thinking and the weakness and inability of scripture to change a human heart?Don't I sound like the anti-religious nutbar! I swear I'm not, either.

>>835477748so is modern capitalismfuck off dicklips

>>835484688I'm not sure that>humanmeans>personin this context. Right? I'd like to bet.>but you don't actually define what it means to be human making it impossible for you to actually take a stanceThough, I don't have to.>There is a very good argument to be made that humans don't gain "consciousness" until they are around 7 years oldOh, there is not. Not when you have to put it in quotations like that. That is... wow. No, user. You and I both know that's definitely not a good argument. A child is not as reactionary as an actual gamete. user. user, it is absolute folly to even suggest that children don't remember. There is so much wrong with what you likely invented on the spot, that I'm both parts amused and bewildered.There is so much specious reasoning, pun intended. This was bad, user. I can't believe you thought this was a good idea.>>835484954>I just would like you to admit that you're a ChristianAnon, you're confusing people now. I'm definitely not Christian, and I'd like to know why my third degree would mean I'm arguing against abortion. Or... when I've mentioned the good book. Or anything you just charged me with.I'm as logical as they make them.

>>835477748You came here to try and tell us that murder is bad? You do know that there are a dozen threads a day where we laugh at videos of people dying, right?

>>835477748Fetus are property of the mother. She does not need to please every belief of every religion when deciding what to do with it. Grow up guys!

>>835485119>denying life to a human that could potentially be formedNobody is denying anything. A sperm either makes it or doesn't make it to the egg, totally out of our control.Furthermore, you're talking about "potential" to form life. A fetus is not "potential" to form life, it is ALREADY LIFE.If you're really okay with abortion, then prove it. Kill yourself.After all, both of them involve a loss of human life.If one is okay with you, then why not the other?

>>835478018This guy gets it.

>>835477748If you're too fucking dense to understand the difference between a fetus and a baby your opinion can be ignored entirely.

>> And you need to stop posting "what now??" At the end of every post. It's clear that you're insufferable IRL.Why would I do that, it's accomplishing what I intended.Now you're just trying to stall and avoid answering everything I've mentioned.I await your rebuttal.

>>835485329You can't abort someone who was born. What you ask for, is suicide. And it doesn't add up.

>>835484688>A zygote is a human, an embryo is a human and so onWrong. A zygote is human tissue. The same as a lung or a tumor. It doesn't exist independently of the mother, it does not think. It does not respond. It is just human tissue that MAY one day become 'a' human. This is what I'm getting to with the toast argument. In order for a zygote to be a human and a cancerous tumor to not be (reminder that cancer cells have distinct DNA, before you try to go that route), you have to use the argument that the zygote may become an independent human if "left alone" (never mind that this takes the CONSTANT bodily intervention of the mother). But that is just the continuum argument. You have to rely on the idea that because there is a direct continuum from zygote to human that must mean a zygote is a human, but that is as fundamentally ridiculous as claiming that a piece of bread becomes toast the second you turn on the toaster. >I'm simply referring to injury. If you need a ventilator but are expected to make a full recovery, you are no longer human if you believe fetuses aren't human for needing external life support.Except this is completely wrong. A sick person has been a person. They have had thoughts, they have been an independent entity. They are capable of maintaining homeostasis given the right environment. Your lack of understanding of that quality of life isn't an argument. That's like saying "hey if you throw someone naked into the arctic they'll freeze to death. guess humans can't maintain homeostasis"

>>835485308But so far I never heard dogs who abort their puppy fetus...

Abortion kills a humanAbortion doesn't murder a person"Murder" and "person" are legal terms that have been crafted to exclude abortion. Claiming that abortion is murder is factually incorrect. Claiming that abortion kills a human is factually correct.

>>835485389I don't think you intended to scream about atheism at an atheist, user.

>>835485329Of all the stupid posts in this thread this one is by far the most retarded one.

>>835477748Humans were a mistake

>>835477820thats bullshit, if we normalize it even more than abortions will just become the norm, itll definitely go up. we should be avoiding abortion 100% of the time cause its murder

>>835485442Not sure what your point is, but obviously dogs can't perform abortions. They can and do abandon or kill their newborn puppies for a variety of reasons.

>>835485329Going against abortion is the ultimate virtue signal. Worry about the living before you worry about the unborn who bring forth nothing to society.

>> user, you're confusing people now.Yeah, you all look the same on the internet.My apologies, I was talking to the religious guy.>> I explained why a fetus is a human. Any source you state to the contrary will just be another person stating their opinion.Wait a minute! Maybe you aren't the religious guy but you make as little sense.Are you actually trying to state that what you say is the undebatable truth, and what everyone else says is just "opinion"?You're going to need to explain why you think you're so infallible. Because you seem like you don't actually have any credentials at all other than the "because I say so" fallacy.

I'm about to send 100 million potential living humans into my cum sock. Won't anyone stand up for their rights???

>>835485363Both are living things you deepshit moron! They deserve to live and its not their fault for growing inside your fucking womb! Its YOUR fault the fucking sperm penetrate your fucking ovum!

>>835477748I’m cool with it. Overpopulated anyways

>>835478018shut the fuck up you moral nihilist, you know for a fact its a baby you just dont care cause you prefer your own selfishness, bro if i murdered a pregnant woman id be charged with double murder cause technically the baby is a person, all these arguments are BS, if someone wants to avoid pregnancy they can use birth control condoms or plan b. all these things dont involve the actual murder of a fetus and you know what, people are so dumb that they want to do things without consequences, wow you had unprotected sex what did you expect? a TV?

>>835483709This is logic to you?

>> I don't think you intended to scream about atheism at an atheist, user.Yeah, I wouldn't do that, user.

>>835485587The why should we degrading ourself lower than dogs? Or you gonna tell the dogs to wear a condom?

>>835485697Both fetus and baby should be property of the mother. It's nature's way.Our distorted views of religion and moral have confused us into thinking we need to 'protect' them from the very mother that created them.

>> shut the fuck up you moral nihilist, you know for a fact its a babyNow we're getting somewhere! Louder, user, louder! The louder you yell the more your argument shines.You're just getting frustrated now because nobody is acknowledging what a good Christian you are and you are just so heartbroken that they haven't found the healing peace you have.Some people don't know they are gay; I think you don't know you're a Christian.

>>835483882A baby cant survive on its own without a mother and it's milk.

>>835485818We are not degrading anyone. Abortion is more civilized than puppy abandonment or eating.

>>835485668>you all look the same on the internetDebatable, as you're reading words. Words convey intent, information. Words consist of grammar. These vary,especially online. Even if every reply comes with its own block... they don't always contain the same content, especially not in this specific circumstance. It would be very, very hard to mistake user A for user B, purely at face value, when you even have a proper back-linking system to aid you in that endeavor. The website is holding your hand. And you seem to be merging people again.>>835485772>I wouldn't do thatYet, you did.

>>835478669abortion is fucked up murder no matter how you view it, people are stupid as fuck when they justify these dumb behaviors with shit like it doesnt matter or its a parasite. fuck right off, if i murdered a pregnant woman who's four weeks pregnant then i get charged with both her murder and the childs murder. we have all these excuses for this shit and its not okay

>>835485873What is formula?

>> Both fetus and baby should be property of the mother. It's nature's way.Our distorted views of religion and moral have confused us into thinking we need to 'protect' them from the very mother that created them.Finally! Thank you.To abort or not to abort must always be the right of the mother. Not only is it her body, it would be her duty and responsibility to raise the baby should she want to bring it to term.All the old men and old men thoughts about women being property can fuck off.

>>835485833Nothing to do with religion, its living being norms. Again they deserved to be protected since its not their fault for growing inside your fucking womb! Your sex education fucked up mate! Never hear the word ‘condom’ before?

>> abortion is fucked up murder no matter how you view itAgain, that's your opinion user A, B and whoever else is a wannabe Christian here.Why are you getting so mad, hmmm?

>>835482382are you retarded? its a baby egg with baby sperm growing to make a human baby, than what the fuck is it? u dont have to quote the bible to know its fucked up, the bible isnt the pinnacle of morality

>>835486036Several anons are not Christians. A through Z, AA through AZ.

>> Nothing to do with religion, its living being norms.Nah, I don't believe you're not a religious user.What are these "norms" you speak about. If you're presenting yourself as "normal" I'm afraid I have some disturbing news for you ...

>>835485898Then why not wearing your fucking CONDOM before the intercourse? You’re the one who are not fully civilized! Your prevention action failed!

>>835486117No one in this entire thread has typed that sentence before.

>> its a baby egg with baby sperm growing to make a human baby, than what the fuck is it?That's a very good question to finally ask, user.Put aside the hubris and ask questions.Wow, a bit of humility, finally.

>>835477748Kids in cages are dying - this is not a contest - neither party has the moral high-ground you partisan faggot.

>>835477748and you post on 4chan instead of blowing up an abortion clinic?

>> Then why not wearing your fucking CONDOM before the intercourse? You’re the one who are not fully civilized! Your prevention action failed!What about rape?What about devastating physical deformities determined during routine health checks?What about incest?Let's hear your definitive statements of what everyone should think about these situations.

>>835486205The cages obama and biden built?

>>835485898Are you gonna tell us ‘oh i forgot to add the cinnamon before baking the cake’ and you dump the cake just like that?

>>835486205No, they aren't.

>> No one in this entire thread has typed that sentence before.And it completely destroys the premise of all of his arguments, which is "I think so, I say so, it is logical to me and therefore should be to you."

>>835477748That thing does not look like a human being

>>835486349It... doesn't. You'd be attacking a strawman now.

>> The cages obama and biden built?They didn't, and he means these ones:

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>>835485871how about you reply to the comment fag so the discussion can continue. this isnt about anyones personal acknowledgement you actual smoothbrain, i can tell you fancy yourself a smart edgy individual but anyone who actually has brain cells knows you can have an opinion on something without it being about a god or something else, im allowed to genuinely hate the idea of abortion without wrapping it around any identity as a religious fag. Somethings are obviously wrong but its bigger than that. Abortion is an issue wrapped around something more important and thats the fact about personal responsibility, its what its really about. We dont want any consequences for our actions so we make an out for ourselves to allow everything so it doesnt hinder us. Abortion is really about wanting to live a care free lifestyle and not pay anything, the more we normalize not taking responsibility for things of this magnitude the worse society is going to get. Right now people dont give a fuck about anything, we do whatever we want all the time and are super selfish literally butt fucking the Earth and each other all the time. Thats for me what its really about user, not the murder or egg destroying or whatever. I want us to actually give a shit again and start building a society where everyone's responsible for their own actions. sorry if i yelled user but fuck u

>>835477748i fucking hate embryology

>>835486268Why don’t you do some homework instead of posting some shit and expecting /b to spoon feed you all the answers?

>> Abortion is really about wanting to live a care free lifestyle and not pay anythingOK. I appreciate you've shared a bit of the background as to why this is an issue for you. But you're generalizing about why women make the difficult decision about getting an abortion. I'm sure you don't think that every time a women goes through the procedure, which ain't fun, and decides that it's better for her to live with the consequences of that decision than to have done nothing and brought the child to term when she can't support it, or she was raped, or has a genetic disorder she'd rather not pass on, she did that because she's an irresponsible person.Who are you to make that decision for all women, for all situations?>> Right now people dont give a fuck about anything, we do whatever we want all the time and are super selfish literally butt fucking the Earth and each other all the time. Thats for me what its really about user, not the murder or egg destroying or whatever. I want us to actually give a shit again and start building a society where everyone's responsible for their own actions. sorry if i yelled user but fuck uI think that's what all of us want, user. I don't think deciding what thoughts and behaviors other people should have is going to work, though. I mean, if it could have, it would have, because we all know that's been going on for some time and it just polarizes things more.So I think, and this is just me, that it's very easy to see what's wrong, and screaming at people about it ... well, keep trying that and keep track of whether it's effective. I haven't found it is.I don't know what is needed to turn things around (well, getging rid of the Orange Hambeast would be a good and necessary place to start), but this is what I think is absolutely necessary to start:Tolerance. That's it.So, thanks for your honesty, user. Good luck on your mission.

>>835485562Why do you give a shit? According to most Abrahamic religions, a Fetus/baby that dies automatically goes to heaven. No need for baptism, no need for anything. Auto-Heaven. Why would you want a baby to be born into abject poverty, have a shitty life, probably kill people or whatever...just so you can feel good about yourself?if you truly believe in this shit in your magical book, you would let God be the judge of those who have abortions and rest easy that those souls are at His side without a lifetime of suffering.