Unbrainwashing Transfags

Well then at that point it's about modifying one's own state of being.

If someone wants to genetically modify themself to become a fucking carrot, and the means are presently possible to do so, and our population isn't in decline, why is it a problem?

We're not going to be at that point for a 'very long time though, so in the meantime I'd rather just correct/reverse their delusions.

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regardless, no need to further derail the thread, we agree that Tranny degeneracy is something that must be corrected, let's work towards that end.

You really are a jew.

Problem with trannies is they think they can transform themselves into women (aesthetically speaking) through clothes, makeup and hormones.
To fix that aspect of the problem, they have to be shown that the male physique is just a important as the female one.

Also, males are being stigmatized in society by (((them))) where they don't have any outlets for their potential (no families, no meaningful jobs)

Listen fam, I'm sorry you are personally affected by this shit.

But that said, part of the jewish trick here is massively misrepresenting the scale of the issue. Trannies, even today, are very rare. You really have to be living in a faggot-magnet city like SF, Portland or Seattle to have a good chance of knowing one. The jews have picked one rare freak edge-case in our society and are blowing it completely out of proportion to make a wedge issue out of it. To artificially create a political divide where before there was none.

10 years ago, who the hell ever heard of a tranny bathroom law? Nobody, because 10 years ago trannies were something you never thought about because you never encountered them yourself. The jewish media is blowing the problem way out of proportion, exposing everybody to trannies through the media so that they feel as though they've personally met one. The media creates the illusion of there being lots of trannies to force the issue onto the public.

Fuck off kike.
You're clearly either twisting my words to D&C or have very poor reading comprehension.
I made it very fucking clear in the OP that I'm against present Transfaggotry, that should be all that fucking matters faggot.

Exactly. Really we could take away the credibility of transfaggotry by pointing to it's failures (the affects on human physiology and psychology from transition). And further reinforce the idea that men and women are separated by their chromosomes, and that there is nothing they can do to change that.

Kill yourself kike.

semi-tranny here, feel free to disregard

You aren't going to be able to do anything when it comes to those with severe gender dysphoria (the kind who have had it persistently from a young age). Likely there is a biological component to it, such that even if they wish to change or attempt to cure it they won't be able to. For those it's largely either let them do their thing or repress them (directly or indirectly).

However when it comes to others, perhaps impressionable teens who've gotten ideas in their head from tumblr, there may be some ways. Firstly is the society-wide fight against intersectional feminist ideology and progressivism. Simply continuing to act against these things is going in the right direction - the fewer teenagers being indoctrinated in gender studies courses the fewer of these people you will get.

On a more personal level, convincing a bluepilled trans-trender that there are concrete genders/roles that can't be switched and so on, is probably not going to work. Same with the typcial Holla Forums rhetoric against trannies, you'll just make them think you're an evil bigot. If they are remotely reasonable and capable of argument then you may have some luck just discussing it rationally. Failing that, I think simply being an example of a good virtuous (and most importantly, likeable) male role model in their life might actually do the most good.

Everyone already knows that men and women have different chromosomes and that it can't be changed, including trannies.

Holy shit, none's checking these double, double dubs with the ID?

I disagree.

Although this may have certainly been the case before, they have been going overtime on pushing this shit on the millennial generation.

I still have younger siblings who go to school, and they tell me that many of their friends feel that they are 'pansexual' or 'genderfluid' and all that gay shit I managed to have enough of an impact of my siblings to put up a front to all of it, so they're immune.

It certainly doesn't help that the new generations spend all their time on kike media. Although it may not be widespread across the US everywhere, it's certainly having an impact in some areas, and is slowly spreading.

I'm sorry, but who created the anti-Tranny thread again? Oh that's right it was me. :^)
Filtered and reported for derailing, you're not going to get me this time CTR.

I already did m8, and I got dubs for it
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didn't mean to sage for this post

Trannies still have the same number of chromosomes. Their "treatment" is as thorough as dying your hair

You can't. Transgender is real, not a meme or a "mental illness".

It's a disease too, but you can't cure it that way. It's mostly related to chemicals in the environment (Xenoestrogens) and shit like soy, porn, lack of proper eating/exercising etc. Around 50%~ of all "men" today are literally females with dicks at this point, there are even epidemics of animal transexualism in some places. (>>8353734 Is wrong, kikes aren't exaggerating the issue, they're feminizing goyim.)

One way of curing it is exercise (Weightlifting specifically) and testosterone supplements. If it got them young enough or deep enough, it might be impossible to cure. There is something that happens when the "inner map" (
proprioception) of the body that our brains has does not fit our actual bodies for some reason, the most common instance of this is "phantom limb syndrome. Some trannies ought to be suffering from something like this, maybe because the same xenoestrogens altered that part of their brains. These are impossible to fix afaik.

I support transitioning for some cases like that, if it's the only thing that can make them happy and productive… Transexualism is a symptom of degeneracy and worse, not a cause. These people are victims. Alternatively just gas them all and let's get it over with but you'll abandon this idea very fast if you get a trannie kid yourself or anything like that..

Also, non-homosexual trannies (Male to female, likes females) are smarter than average, so it might be related to "openness to experience" or other intelligence-related things.

Also trannies are the least "trigender" "genderfluid" etc people you'll find, real trannies at least. They're more typically feminine than women these days actually.

I saw a response to this picture, anyone have it?

What a waste of time. I don't give a shit.

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Yes, such as hormonal inbalance, which can be corrected/maintained.
You may be right there. I think an emotional appeal, that people should be able to love themselves for who they are would work pretty well.
You could then work with them, saying liberal things like how human psychology isn't binary, so if you say feel feminine as a male, what's wrong with being a feminine-male? From there you could proceed on with questions like if someone is not comfortable in their own body, then how isn't that a mental disorder?

It would certainly nudge them out of transsexual territory at the very least, we can deal with what to do with masculine female/feminine male anomalies after the sex change practice is dead.
No arguments there

I'm more inclined to agree with this statement. Men today are more feminine than their female counterparts.
I don't because it encourages body mutilation, and it distorts the idea of what it means to be a man/woman.
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no one forced you to faggot

WHY THE FUCK WAS THIS THREAD BUMPLOCKED?

Okay let's assume everything here is correct and they are victims who were dealt a shitty hand. How do we deal with them and get them to stop shitting up the world? If they have a disease, that's fine, plenty of people have diseased, but don't act like transfags do. What do we need to do to stop them from spreading it and brainwashing other people?

Kill yourself kike.

Most trannys (and lots of fags) are basket cases of serious personality disorders. The kinds you can't fix. The Jew conspiracy to fuck with our sexuality must be addressed, but these people would be dumpster fires anyway.

id say hes applying his own bullshit brainwashed opinions to this. Black pride=African heratige? Black Americans know NOTHING about Africa. Blacks here have black American culture (which is almost all negative things), whites have their own culture in every part of the world just like everyone else. Hes doing mental gymnastics to signal to everyone how much of a progressive cuckold he is.
also, why cant white pride=being proud of European heratige if he wants to claim Blacks are proud of Africa?
Why doesnt black pride mean proud of not being white? Hes just pulling that straight of his ass that white pride means not being black.

I meant to imply the inclusion of that sort of thing with

I think you're missing the probable most important part which is hormonal development in the womb. That's currently the main theory behind it, this may also be related to xenoestrogens and so on.

Any evidence for this?

This part I agree with, if you can basically convince them there's no such thing as gender in a concrete cultural way and that there's only biological sex, then you may be halfway there, even if that isn't your actual view.

The first thing you need to do is figure out what you're actually dealing with. There are at least three different groups of trannies:
1. Extremely effeminate gay men who are obviously faggots even in childhood (this is possibly caused by molestation, but that's another thing we're not allowed to research)
2. Otherwise normal, masculine heterosexual men who only do tranny shit after adolescence
3. People who do it for political/social reasons (this group includes all FtMs, all "genderfluid"/"genderqueer" and a small but growing portion of MtFs.)

Conventional shitlib views don't make this distinction at all. Conventional opposition views recognize there's a difference between the first two groups, but incorrectly classify the second type as autogynephilia, a fetish for perceiving oneself as a woman. The problem with that classification is that autogynephilia is just as common in the first group as the second. Anyone who was on 4chan for more than a couple of years pre-exodus has run into plenty of weirdos who jerked off to thoughts of being fucked as a woman in which the man was just a prop to demonstrate how much of a woman he was.

The approach you're going to take will depend on which type you're dealing with.
The only thing I know of that can "fix" the first group is a religious conversion, and that's unreliable. Like the more ordinary form of homosexuality, it's a deeply rooted thing that has noticeable effects on things other than psychology–we all know what "gayface" looks like. You're not going to make them psychologically normal without actual medical intervention, which is not on the table in the current political climate (but with Mike "Deus Volt" Pence as VP, that could change soon).
Group 2 can be easier to fix if you spot it early, because they tend to be substantially less damaged physically and psychologically. They're also smarter, though there's relatively little data on this. One study claims they have an IQ 2 SD higher than the general population on average (which is completely insane–for reference, the black-white gap in the US is only 1 SD. Hyperbolic claims aside, in dealing with this group I have found that they're noticeably smarter and more rational than group 1). They tend to still have normal human priorities, and respond well to clearheaded talk about what becoming eunuchs would actually do to their bodies and their lives.
Group 3 is the easiest, since all you have to do is change their social environment. Introduce them to people who aren't degenerates. If they look up to you, make sure they know you disapprove. Don't give in if they try getting you to change what pronouns you use or refer to them by a different name. Treat them like you'd treat anyone who fell in with the wrong crowd–the main goal is to separate them from the bad influences and not normalize the behavior they're learning from them.

There is a mental illness that makes people feel one bit of their bodies is "alien", and seek to mutilate themselves. Psychiatrists had a lot of issues treating this people, until they had the idea of just doing the mutilations. They were afraid that if they let them amputate they would go even crazy and start requesting more amputations, "validate their insanity" etc. Turns out they just chill and are able to lead normal lives after doing it. I don't even like tattoos but medicine is something different, if a life can be fixed by amputating a rotting hand or a poorly mapped dick / toe, so be it.

This is the key. They are shitting up the world, just like homosexuals, because leftism had the brilliant idea to almost force these people into their coalition. They were weaponized, and every time we act like rabid beasts towards them, they turn even more leftist. Stop doing that.

Many cultures have been smarter, Christianity is a bit at fault here, SJWs are the progeny of christianity after all, as is socialism.

If we want good trannies we stop asking for them to be gassed and create decent institutions for them. Scientists found that, in certain bird species, homosexuality appears on those above-average birds who are tasked with being the vanguard. The vanguard dies all the time so no children makes sense, no worry about reproduction, reminds me of the en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_Band_of_Thebes.

Or the esoteric rituals, (Bonding rituals and others) that tantric buddhists had, especially designed for faggots and deviants of all kinds.

Our society is so degenerate than I don't know if its worth salvaging anyway. From one perspective, christian marriage was a beautiful spiritual ritual involving the masculine and feminine universal polarities, but from another perspective that is already lost, has been for a while, and we might as well campaign for legalizing marrying your pentagendered computer, as a form of accelerationism / sabotage so that people might see how rotten it all is, realize the gravity of the situation etc.

Reminder that OP is shilling for accepting transgenderism once medical (((science))) improves to a point it's done (((better))).
Glad I'm not the only one that noticed what OP's intentions were.

Homosexuality in humans is inherently antisocial and transgressive and always has been wherever it arises. It's not an adaptation, it's a disease.
It will never be lost as long as there are any sincere Christian men and women left in the world.

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This is an issue that affected me a great deal throughout my dysfunctional teenage years. I've pulled myself together significantly since then, and I have some insights that might be valuable here. Although I can only speak for myself, I think I can help some of you who are dealing with similar things, or maybe give you an idea of how you can positively influence people you care about.

To be brief I believed I wanted to be a girl for about six years. This was mostly fueled by a sense of inadequacy and self-pity. I was always shy, not a social reject, but I never felt comfortable socially. Instead of seeing this as a sign to improve my self-confidence, I withdrew from my social circles because of discomfort. I discovered pornography young, and it quickly became something that I used to ease my anxieties rather than confront them. I became reliant on fantasy in order to ignore my insecurities about puberty, hoping that I could avoid confronting these issues by becoming a girl. Many of you have noted that there is a general progression from softcore porn to other more fetish oriented material. At the time, I assumed that my fixation on trap, futa, etc. was just a natural part of myself, but I now am certain that it was only reinforcing my existing issues and making them much, much worse.

Around this time two years ago I was seriously considering committing suicide. It was constantly on my mind, but I was too much of a pussy. After a series of events that forced me to kick myself out of it, I realized how pathetic I was, and that I needed to become a better person. I recognized my addiction was a problem, and with some realizations and hard work, and I've made leaps and bounds over the past year or so. I'll explain in a bit.

as said, exercise has been helpful, but alone, it isn't full solution. Unfortunately, you can't convince some faggot to exercise with the intention of changing their self-image. As destructive as it is, they see it as their identity, an intrinsic part of themselves. If it's you who feels this way, then you have options. But, if you're trying to help someone else, you'll have to be much more subtle. Frankly, I don't believe you can do much for people unless you are very close to them and can slowly show them how they are hurting themselves.

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At the end of the day, I don't think that you'll have much luck arguing one of these individuals out of their situation. Logic isn't really a factor, in any of it. My hypothesis is that most sexual deviancy is born from a feedback loop of self-conditioning. With easy access to pleasurable stimuli such as pornography, erotic literature, etc. our brains can be re-wired to find strange things to be sexually gratifying.

Throughout the history of our evolution, stimuli associated with sexual pleasure were limited and mostly associated with the opposite sex. This is healthy, associates our attraction with good mates. More importantly, some amount of effort (physical, social, etc.) was required to achieve sexual release, so these associations were always created in moderation.

Pornography turns this on its head, however, and allows sexual release to act more like a drug. Now the only stimuli associated with pleasure is visual or textual imagery, and there is no work necessary to achieve it. This can massively compromise our reproductive instincts, causing us to seek out and fixate on unnatural behaviors. Like Pavlov's dog salivating to the bell, we may slowly find normally disturbing things to be enticing. This explains why deviancy seems so prevalent in modern society, where pleasure can be attained without real effort. In fact, it isn't hard to see how this line of thought applies to other things such as drugs addiction, homosexuality, obesity, alcoholism and so on. The ability to achieve pleasure without work is almost certainly a factor in the degeneration of society.

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These ideas are all my understanding of my own issues, so they won't necessarily apply to you. I urge you to take my advice if you see yourself in any of this, and hopefully it's of use.

The first step I took in de-conditioning myself was to wean myself off fetish porn and engaging in fantasy involving my warped self-image. This is easier said than done, especially for those who are very dependent on it, as I was. The good news is that you can do this in small steps, rather than cold turkey. Although it was easy to fall off the bandwagon, the most helpful thing in the beginning was to fantasize from the perspective of a man, rather than a woman. Although the goal is to avoid porn as much as possible, when you are too weak-willed to resist, this will at least help you dissociate from your unhealthy fantasies.

During a particularly bad bout of procrastination I discovered that punishing myself with exercise gave me a significant boost of will-power. Whenever I slacked off I would do some push ups or sit-ups, squats, etc. and get back to work. I started applying this to my use of pornography, by essentially requiring that I do 10 minutes of exercise before use. Along with the tips above, I saw a great deal of improvement in terms of restraint. In a matter of months I went from needing to use porn daily, to every other day, to weekly. Now I can go about a week without jerking off, which I think is probably natural, just for clearing out old fluid. I really don't feel the urge to use porn as much. My issues have subsided as I expected, and I'm becoming more well adjusted and confident.

I actually think these ideas have applications for a lot of other vices and issues, so if you're reading this I urge you to try and use them in your own life.
Apologies for any typos; I've been meaning to post this for a while, to give something back. This is very rough, so if I there's anything I should elaborate on, tell me.

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