Psychedelic Therapy For Veterans

We're gonna take care of our veterans, folks. But seriously, putting aside any hippie bullshit, we should seriously take a look at getting tons of people off of the mind destroying drugs pushed by (((them))) by looking into legalizing psychedelics.

But what's the proper way to do it? I don't think we should go with full-blown recreational use at first, but open up more research into the subject and try it out with groups of patients and eventually move on to dedicated centers. It would be a very powerful strike at the prescription jew, while simultaneously helping veterans/trauma victims, improving the mental well-being of many Americans and getting lots of people off of the poison they're currently taking.

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that will take years if not decades so you may as well just not bother
common psychedelics like mushrooms and DMT must be legal

We can start with trails on veterans, trauma victims - and get it legalized medically (and decriminalized to grow a year or two after) after 1-2 years of marijuana being decided by a majority of states. Which will happen soon.

They have already done the studies. They know it is effective treatment for a host of issues but it serves their needs to keep breaking and labeling people.

you're thinking in terms of following regulatory code but just rewrite the code

DMT is showing amazing result with alcoholism. I really think understanding the role it plays in mental well being, could help a lot of damaged people. If what neurologists say about dreaming is true - that it helps the brain understand and process trauma, we could be looking at a potential wonder drug.

Fuck shrooms. LSD is the literal redpill.

Obtaining spores is trivial and in the US you can even order shredded cactus from ebay. It's up to the vets. We don't need that MAOI ayahuasca shit, MDMA, or other RCs.

That opens up the issues of manufacturing though.

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MDMA is very promising for curing PTSD. Very good success rate.

I had it. It was complete shit. Anything that can get rid of or make it better is great. I think there are many paths to curing PTSD, and psychedelics should be pursed for this.

Then stop drinking coffee, eating sugar, and drinking alcohol. Make cigarettes illegal. You're a fool if you think all drugs are bad for you. Many are, and yes - they should be avoided. You wanna fuck over the anti-depressant kikes? How about the opioid jew? How about the amphetamine jew? Mushrooms. Just like there's medicine for physical maladies, there's medicine for mental ones. And if you only believe in the physical, what are you even doing here? We could get rid of a lot of major problems holding our country back - depression, anxiety, maybe even things like autism. But we need to do research to show that it's not a bad thing and actually very positive.

also if you're talking about narcotherapy the only viable ones are DMT and MDA.

MDMA is shit, MDA is the real stuff, it's just like MDMA without any of the "fun" elements and gives you a massively introspective experience

any chemical you add to your body is bad for you.
Study B.F. Skinner and kill yourself.

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That's DMT + sketchy jungle voodoo.
DMT is fine to consume when it's taken in crystalline form

You realize you're ingesting chemicals every time you eat a piece of fruit, water is a chemical compound.

Yeah, you could try. Unfortunately, we're bretty gud at what we do. Psychedelics, if anything, helped us work alongside you versus just eating you.

what is the reason?
will it help them in the long run, or is it just an escape or sanctuary.

proper medical care can make people more healthy. however, i believe people must face what haunts them. there's a spiritual element to this: not exclusively physical. do not be afraid.

Just fucking legalize all of it and put hard limits on drug tourism. There are literally no fucking downsides to this.

I would give every Vet who has his mind destroyed land out in the country side.

Fear makes the beast bigger than it is.

Except creating seeds of huge junkie problem within a decade and potential functional loss of young people to drugs. Gas yourself, liberal. There are things that should be banned and there are things that can be trusted to people. Society always lowers to the lowest common denominator. Legalizing faggotry did not make it less common and it sure as hell won't make drugs less common.

No user, you're fucking stupid and here's why.

Who haven't demanded anything in return.

I would legalize pot on a federal level, but still require pot to be decriminalize 45 times or legalize in states that haven't been decriminalized.

We get the following in exchange.

Put the Following in both the the Federal budget and the NDAA for redundancy to make the reforms pass!

-Federal Constitutional carry which nullifies all anti-carry statues in the country

-Allow truckers to carry

-Repeal NFA

-Forbid any Federal Assault weapons ban,overthrow any state-level assault weapons ban, including guns banned by name,and banned features.

-Reform importation rules so you could import guns like this AK,and the mp7 without any fuckery that's sporterization which makes the guns unreliable

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-Force the military to allow vet bring backs,force military to dump Ammo &Small arms onto the surplus market, ban them from destroying ammo & small arms.

-Let people distil any form of alcohol for personal consumption without an license , and make it easy for people to acquire a license to start a craft distillery.


-Federal Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground law

It’s time Americans put our guns to good use and start putting down the scumbags that plague our society. Free Michael Strickland!

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This weekend Michael Strickland, a former contributor at The Gateway Pundit and Progressives Today, was jailed in Portland, Oregon after he pulled a gun on a gang of thugs who were going to kick his a$$ at a black lives matter protest.

Last year Michael was jumped by an anti-gun activist who broke his arm in three places at an anti-Second Amendment event.

This weekend Michael was confronted by a gang of men and he pulled out his gun. The story made headlines and Michael was thrown in jail. Michael has a concealed carry permit in Oregon and can legally carry a weapon. He was being threatened and he pulled the gun on his would-be assailants.

Apparently, the state of Oregon issues concealed carry permits in Portland but you’re not allowed to use your gun if you are being threatened with an a$$beating."

jewish mysticism is literally based around entheogens as a communication channel with the nether

the white man rejects them at his peril

Proper medical care involves a myriad of drugs that permanently affect the brain chemistry of the person taking them. LSD, mushrooms, you at least have the option of being aware of the changes that take place.

I've seen too many of my fellow brothers-in-arms get paraded through cocktail after cocktail of drugs to know that the VA doesn't have a fucking clue what it's doing when it comes to psychiatric medical treatment.

What does a veteran get if he goes into the VA to seek treatment? (checklist)
1.) has his guns taken away.
2.) prescribed permanently mind-altering drugs.
3.) talks to a real human drone programmed to fill out paperwork but certified in a fake medical profession.
4.) loses permanent rights guaranteed to any other American of full blood just so he can seek help for wars he fought in service of said nation.

The VA is a joke. It chews up young men fresh from the war and tries to spew them out into roles that don't fit them. Our warriors have seen the light of the Zog. Our goal is to survive so long as we are able of our own volition to do so. Do not presume to know our difficulties and do not portend our proper course of action. Respectfully.

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While I would agree in principle, it's probably not a bad idea for people with 0 experience with psychedelics and PTSD or other traumas to start out with something a little more mild.

William Davis - grain free diet for total health

John Perlmutter - similar research

Mark Gordon - brain chemistry as a balance, works with veterans, I believe many of his techniques can be achieved naturally by just following the Davis diet

Wim Hof - breathing techniques to achieve health, good brain and body chemistry, similar to Gordon I believe a lot of his benefits are achievable with Davis diet, different from Gordon I believe he has material to offer beyond that, even to those who are already on Davis diet

T. user with diagnosed ptsd who got over all that shit with a combination of William Davis diet, Wim Hof method, and Holla Forums spiritual guidance. I would not advise "research chemicals" of any kind until those three things are tried in earnest, I honestly believe those three give you all you need.

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How long did it take you, user? One of the benefits of a good trip is you can undo a lot of damage in just a few hours.

The thing that really bothers me about all this war on psychedelics is that they're being treated in the same way as meth or PCP by the government.

Research and honest appraisal should be our demand. I've never done any psychs in my life but as with everything else, a simple and honest assessment is all the public really wants.

I've tripped before the health maoeover, the problem was always regression to the mean. Once I found davis diet, the change was a week long high period, followed by a steady few months of improvement. The wim Hof method can boost all that, plus can be great all on its own.

Another thing to mention is that I've been on these methods since june, but it was just last month I picked up a bottle of probiotics manufactured to a specification that Dr. Perlmutter created, I finished them this week and have felt even better, the first big noticeable improvement in a couple months. But honestly after 3 months with Davis-Hof-Holla Forums, it's all uphill, the only question after that is what to do with your newfound energy and optimism.

I don't hate on your trips don't get me wrong, I just did one myself a decade back, mushrooms, and found that is wa fun and I became real close to my trip fellow and his girlfriend, but past that, it did not solve my problems. Mix and match how you see fit, but know that a fellow ptsd user got over that shit without the tripping being a part of it at all.

P.s. trip or not I think all anons should be on davis-hif-Holla Forums for oife, I dont see them as medicine so much as the proper way to organize you intakes of food-energy-information.

OK another clarification that one trip, the only I have done (not counting weed which I quit a while back and don't see as a "trip"), was before I was ptsd, indeed it was before I had the job that gave me it. So I don't feel I can say that trios don't help it, sorry if that came across.

Just want to reiterate that I got over mine trip free, and just like we all want to avoid the pharmacy jew because it is artificial and manipulative, I think we should all want to avoid the shamanic jew as well *if possible*. So the only viewpoint I am espousing is try the *truly natural* methods I have recommended here of Davis (diet management) Holla Forums (info and morale management) Perlmutter (microbiome management) and Wim Hof (metabolic management) for at least a month before you decide that the trip is necessary. And if you do trip, don't think that Davis-Hof-pol-Perlmutter are not applicable anymore, they should be guidelines for life.

Then ecstasy. Lsd is better for waking up normal people.

Low dose LSD should be mandatory for all autists, aspies and ADHD types, it can work miracles.
I believe if we had a government that had been putting LSD into the water supply instead of fluoride, we would be imortal galaxy-conquering gods by now.

I can second this, (EMT-P) pulled a mashed potatoe baby out from under a old ford exploder that rolled off an embankment. Now I don't have as many uncontrollable rage episodes or nightmares and experiance emotions in a healthier way. MDMA was by far the best treatment, bar none. Aside from getting a dog that is.

So, MDMA while surrounded by puppies and forest while smoking cigars and drinking good beer as therapy?

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I am glad that you are fine now.

I have taken MDA 4 times now I did not know there was a big difference between it and MDMA I thought it just had to do with the precourser used to make it.

i meant GP care: blood tests and such perhaps along with medications for hormonal balance. keeping physically healthy allows a healthy mind.

i would propose a spiritual remedy for a spiritual issue, though. keeping a healthy spirit allows for a healthy body, as you won't end up filling it with chemicals in order to cope.

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I did MDMA once I was a stupid kid at a rave. I kinda hated it. I couldn't pay attention to anyone or anything and it left me scared to touch any mind altering medications afterward. So I got off of all my anti depressants and I never looked back. So far, I'm doing great. Though I am susceptible to panic attacks.

Most vets are permanently broken and are better off with strong SSRIs / anti-psychotics to quell the trauma and rage. Sad but true fact. There's not gonna be a magic drug/solution to this.


If you talk to WW2 vets they repeatedly say that the nightmares never stop, the memories never go away, and they dealt with it by not talking about it. Maybe we can learn from them.

perhaps that's because they're conditioned to fight it.

Fuuuck dude panic attacks are the worst. I had them a few weeks after my critical incident debriefing and would just drown myself in booze to make it go away, ya bad choice but for the time being it worked and it stopped me from looking like a socially inept retard front of my girlfriend.

Seconded.

Meme magic is esoteric Autism. The Reich requires MORE spergs, not less!

Fuck off, CIA.

They are. When I get them, I'm always checking my pulse and feeling like I'm going to suffer a heart attack or a stroke. Once it was so bad, I was crying in the corner of my room, pleading with my body to not die for what felt like five hours. But that was actually before I tried MDMA. Years later, I only have small attacks while I'm alone at my desk.

Yeah, just buy some substrate from some website or make your own if you can follow directions. Inject some spores, wait a few weeks and then fruit it.

I always got them alot when I was in a loud environment or when I would lay down in bed it felt like a weight crushing me followed by a rapid heartbeat and cold sweats, I really wanted to die to get that shit out of my head but there are still things to live for like vagina, and president Trump.

It's probably greatly exacerbated by the booze. Surprising how few people factor in alcohol to their panic disorder when in truth it probably is the main cause outside of stress and unresolved life issues.

I think mushrooms would have tremendously positive effects on traumatised patients if administered correctly and within a positive environment. I think that if barriers were removed then research and trials would happen organically as many people are already aware of the unique properties that psychedelics contain.

I think the brain is still the most misunderstood organ of the body and that the current treatment with anti-depressants and other pharma drugs is pseudo science at best. They talk about chemical imbalances in the brain but there are no actual physical tests to measure these so called imbalances, only behavioural symptoms. It's all about making money and probably has a much more sinister angle as well.

Yes! After the elections my attacks started to lessen when I heard the emperor had won. A lot of my attacks are stress induced, so every time I saw Shillery on the TV, I would have to turn it off and try to distract myself. As for vagina, I have yet to grab it, but as I learn to better manage myself, I hope to start looking for a relationship.

The idea of LSD scares me. I'm a very negative person by nature, so I'm scared that if I tried it, it would manifest my deepest fears and add to my panic attacks, probably even giving me a real case of PTSD.

If I had to give one chemical a recommendation based on my reading, it would be mescaline as the clarity of thought is high and the incidence of stressful trips is reportedly especially infrequent compared to shrooms and LSD. I've only tried shrooms: one moderate dose and many threshold doses. Feelings on mushrooms can fluctuate from happiness to cold fear and back in moments.

If it is indeed true that psychedelics are different despite having the same agonist activity, then mescaline is probably the therapeutic choice. People saying the cactus makes you vomit are ill educated as I've prepared it for someone based on a guide that successfully eliminated the nausea.

People saying these drugs will impart divine wisdom are not to be trusted. They do however have real therapeutic value and are proof that the human mind possesses a mysterious spiritual ocean unexplained by evolutionary psychology.

I'm surprised that the anti drug autists aren't raiding the shit out of this thread. Should I try acid or shrooms first? Or should I avoid all of them and just forget about them?

Ya like i said boozing was a bad choice it really does help in the moment, but the panic attacks worsen the moment i sobered up. So being proactive and getting a dog to to be with while freaking out helps alot, hell my dog even knows before I realize i'm having one he's my friendly autism wizard.

I recall reading that immediate alcohol consumption does not affect anxiety levels. The rebound effect and mid-term neurological changes have quite negative consequences for anxiety and panic disorder though.

Then why did it made me sociable and have fun? I wouldn't be able to socialise if it wasn't the booze.

Acid. Just remember everything you is bright due to dilated pupils, you have a pack of strong smokes, and everything and nothing is real and yet not real. Your feet are stapled to this world, and your head is peering out over the cloudlayer in the Aether. Just make sure you have Clove smokes, they anchor you if you start to fly off into dangerous territory.

The only realistic thing would be to recommend it before electrochock therapy.

LSD has shown to be slightly more successful than ECT.

The only reason psychiatrists aren't prescribing this is because there is taboo around the drug itself, suggesting abuse of the drug. It's a shame.

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Yeah, let's hook the paranoid veterans on hallucinogens, that will work..

Honestly remarkable that some of you have the moral pretense to threaten me with the electronic rope when I defend pedophilia.


fuck off

I don't support the people who are sexually attracted to children under 15 age.

I recall reading that people's anxiety scores remain the same after consuming alcohol. Stressful stimuli and alcohol might be different and perhaps relate to alcoholic socialization.

Okay but not for me. I was very sociable when I was a little bit drunk and it gave me confidence boost. Maybe it's Aussie thing?

Using psylociben mushrooms to expel trapped traumas is the best way to start. Psylociben mushrooms are easy to grow, abundant.

The effect are mild enough not to be dangerous without professional shamanic presence. I've used mushrooms several times as a meditative aid to work through childhood garbage to great effect.

It's sad that marijuana is the one everyone focuses on. Regular marijuana use is far more destructive to the mind and body that cigarettes. it's on the same level as most (((pharmaceuticals))).

I used marijuana once a week for six months as a meditative aid and it was the best thing I ever did, but most people do not have the self control to not turn marijuana into an addiction.

Recreational use cannot ever be legalized. It will devastate our society.

Zogbots out

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Non-vet Britbong who has suffered with PTSD, deperession and anxiety since early childhood.

3 years ago I started using cannabis medicinally. I had never touched a single drug in my life prior to this and had in fact turned away the offer to try them several times in social situations. I intentionally sought out weed after reading about how much it helped vets with PTSD in the US and being sick of ignored and mistreated by the shithole NHS over here, that has virtually zero mental health support that doesn't include throwing prozac at everyone.

It has been a god send.

After a few months of regular use I weaned myself off SSRI's, beta blockers and high doses of diazepam (benzos/valium). I haven't gone back to any of those prescription drugs, have lost more than half of my body weight (morbidly obese since early childhood due to abuse) and no longer get panic attacks with anywhere near the frequency I did previously.

After I started using cannabis medicinally I quickly realised the "drugs are bad and will fuck you up" prohibition meme was bullshit. I tried both LSD and mushrooms (again because I had read about their use in controlled settings to treat PTSD) and had great experiences with both. I was very fearful of the idea of psychedelics, because I had assumed that all the fucked up depressed/dark/suicidal/abuse-ridden thoughts I had in the back of my mind would manifest in hallucinations and make everything worse, but it wasn't like that at all. The first time I tried LSD, I did a quarter of a tab, can't remember the dose now, but it was a threshold thing, just to test how it feels and not freak out. I was so fucking happy. We went for a drive and I stared out of the window, an expression mirroring the Hillary-sees-balloons vid. I saw renewed beauty in the smallest and most mundane of things. I didn't feel like I was tripping, I was sober, but happy and exciteable like a kid. A week later I tried a real dose and tripped fully, no bad trip, just a bunch of positive, mind-expanding, self-improvement type thoughts. I felt a connection to life, the universe, to conciousness again, instead of the zombie-husk I'd been molded into as a child.

Similar experience the few times I used mushrooms (made mushroom tea). Very pleasant, very introspective, lots of new perspectives and understandings. Both LSD and mushrooms felt like a combined happy pill and soul/brain/mind expander in one.

The one negative experience I had was when I decided to use cannabis to try and relax/get sleepy before bed when I was nearing the end of an LSD comedown. I was aware that if you use cannabis at certain points during a trip it can act like a reboot and restart the initial LSD surge/come up again, but I thought I was well past this point and that it was already close to out of my system. Unfortunately it brought on a bad trip instantly, cold feeling all over, felt sick and fearful, like the most intense feeling of a panic attack. I instantly realised what was happening and calmly told my (sober) partner that a bad trip was starting, who immediately comforted me. I didn't at any point freak out or hallucinate anything weird, it was just a cold fearful feeling permeating my body. I took a couple of xanax (always good to have on hand as they can pretty much instantly stop any trip), went to sleep cuddling partner and all was fine. Just taught me to be even more cautious/respectful of the substance than I had already been.

How did you feel a week after taking LSD or mushrooms?

I have had chronic depression.

Took LSD and had a wonderful trip. Just don't take too much the first time and you are safe user.
For me it was 1 quarter of a trip and another one about 3-4 hours later.

What he says is a good idea, low doses of LSD have a vastly different effect than normal doses. While a normal dose of 100-300 µg can sometimes be challenging and may even end in a horror trip if the setting is wrong, a low dose of 10 to 25 µg, maybe even 50 if you're used to it, is certainly managable. You can look up Microdosing, you can function perfectly fine at a dose of 10 to 15µg while having increased energy, mood and creativity, some consider it a valid alternative to anti-anexiety meds

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Really good. Really good for several weeks. They have quite a high tolerance that dissipates over 4-7 days, so I wouldn't recommend doing psychedelics more than weekly/fortnightly at most, or you'll have to take more and more because of the diminishing returns.

A metaphor I often use when talking to family and normies about my use of medicinal cannabis, is to imagine a rack of test tubes in my brain. All the tubes have a thin black horizontal line on them half way up, showing the "normal"/optimal levels to which they should be filled. Each test tube is filled with a different coloured liquid, representing various chemicals within the brain. On any given day, I may wake up and feel that all those test tubes are fucked up (i.e. PTSD symptoms, depression symptoms etc), some may have less liquid in them, others may have too much, they aren't all filled to the halfway (optimal) level, some might be completely empty. When I use cannabis, it feels like almost-instantly all the liquids in those tubes change, test tubes are drained/filled and brought to an equal level again, with all the liquids being filled to that half way marker. Cannabis use brings that "level" feeling, makes me feel normal again, productive and motivated even, clear-headed and focused. Calm.

To expand on that metaphor in terms of psychedelics, they left me feeling like all of those test tubes were maybe 70% full instead of 50%, but it was still level, they were still equal. And that resulted in generally feeling much less depressed, less anxious, significantly more positive and hopeful, significantly more motivated and productive. And then over the course of the following (several) weeks, the 70% full test tubes would slowly drain away until everything is back to 50% - still good, but without that extra "oomph".

I've only done LSD/shrooms around 3-5 times each, spaced a minimum of a week apart, this was approx 2-2.5 years ago. I've started to feel frustrated and itchy in my brain recently so have been considering dropping one of the tabs I've been saving for a while now, but just waiting for an opportune time where I'm nice and relatively relaxed/in a decent frame of mind before doing so, because I'd like to avoid the potential for a bad trip. Unfortunately investigating the pizzagate stuff has NOT been conducive to this, so I've avoided it for now.

/xpol/ here, friendly reminder that last time we did this we wound up torturing and mind fucking a host of Korea War Vets.

We are run by not nice (((people))). That means that, even if you have the best of intentions, a program like this would be used as the cover for something monstrous. Many of us here were subjected to GATE. That was sold as alternative education for smart kids.

Always be aware of the license you are giving when you advocate for such a program.

What is GATE?

Gifted And Talented Education.

We've had a series of threads on it, but I'm not going to derail this thread with the details. You can go to >>>/gatebreakers/ to find out more.

This is the most civil drug thread I have ever seen on Holla Forums

The first three days after have a cool feeling of getting back home from vacation, it feels like you took a literal trip somewhere. Everything seems more full of life, you feel at ease with yourself and as if everything in the world is in its right place. Overall subtle sense of wonder.

Nothing residually hallucinogenic, it just feels like you witnessed something special, and that fact feels comforting.

Checked. Also am vet whose depression was dramatically alleviated by conscious use of shrooms.

Okay, gotta know: what does Anubis have to do with drugs?

Time to try mdma next my friend.

We've finally gotten a moment to relax

The more you sweat in times of peace the less you bleed in war.

Fuck that.

Any recommendations for solid sources?