Mfw I have a ton of economists and econ students on facebook and my feeds are consistently repleted of their posts and...

independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/austerity-government-policy-conservatives-poor-food-banks-inequality-un-a7110066.html

Like that's ever stopped them. They've already broken the Geneva convention in relation to genocide regarding disabled people and there are constant rumours of a UNHRC investigation.

The English are largely a bunch of cocksuckers, they agree with it all wholeheartedly until it affects them.

youtube.com/watch?v=cwfoP0DshgQ
Vid related, it's pretty much the face of the public.

Read Keen's "Debunking Economics"

Why the petty nationalism? That is the what almost every single person in the world does - try to act in their own best interest.

What petty nationalism? I'm English. All the population does is get together in a tyranny of the masses and pick which group to cannibalise out of fear for their betters. The more and more they do it, the worse the country gets and the more they lash out. Serves them right.

you used the word "they" so I assumed that you weren't

but regardless - it's incredibly infantile to attribute the actions of a populace to their nationality or ethnicity.

I don't really see what's infantile about saying that the English are voting in Conservatives to shit on people they don't like and then getting upset when they get shit on, because that's exactly what they're doing. The Tories make no secret of their goals and it's certainly not the Scots doing it.

Are you English too? Surely you must remember just how quickly the narrative shifted from shitty banking practices to 'scroungers and disabled caused the global financial crisis, also Labour'. They lapped that up. Why? Because it's easier to kick down than to punch up.

by which you mean about 40% of them?

as the video that you just posted explains - they vote conservative because they think it is in their best interest.

jesus christ this romanticising of other cultures needs to stop. scottish people are selfish wankers who are voting to sever the british proletariat in two because they think that they will be better off.
t. scotfag

Trust me they bitch and moan about it enough on the street in the north without even mentioning their southern strongholds, even people on benefits have drunk the kool-aid to the point they're bitching about themselves. I once got in an argument with a 40 year old on job seekers who hadn't had a job in years who was sick of scroungers. I know a single mum of three who rants about scrounging single mothers. These people are irredeemably fucking stupid and suffer from snowflake syndrome, they think they're special because they're the centre of their world and therefore when the funny posh man on the TV is villainising them they imagine some cartoon character in another universe.

That's a cyclical argument. It isn't in their best interests, but they think it is because they're too lazy to actually put some thought into anything but what they think immediately benefits them. Because it isn't in their lot worsens they continue to pursue an option that they perceive to be in their best interests. Essentially they're gutting out all Keynesian economic elements in the hope of saving tax money, which is a dumb and hamfisted thing to do.

That's not what I'm doing. I could say the British but it's not the British, it's the English, particularly southerners.

Because the English proletariat are thick and selfish, see: voting selfishly even though it harms them.

sorry, but you are irredeemably thick if you think people are different anywhere else

you are romanticising foreign cultures because you lack knowledge or experience with them.

guess what? nowhere is a socialist wonderland where all the people vote in the interests of the proletariat

I think you should probably get back to reading The Telegraph, since you've now resorted to "ur rong" when I've called out your cyclical bullshit.

Seriously, you'll fit in much better there, I've been humouring your responses putting words in my mouth thus far but if this is the best you have to offer I don't understand which part of your mind compels you to continue posting.

But please, oh well traveled one, if you want to tell me more about my country and the rest of the world, please do, and don't forget to continue telling me what I think about your country while I'm at it.

jesus christ, why the fuck are you on here, you pathetic liberal

First we have the weird romanticising of foreign cultures you know nothing about.

Also the implication that English people are somehow "inherently" bad is just fucking bonkers - try actually looking at the material conditions you absolute cretin. What next, mate? "black people are inherently violent?"

And now you use "read the telegraph" as an insult - presumably you read the Guardian - like a true liberal Labour voter? Instead of focusing on actual class division - your analysis of the situation in England is akin to that of a 16 year old who has just discovered politics.
"the tories are bad XD go and read the telegraph you tory! I'll be sat here all smug reading the Guardian like a good little boy!"

Piss off with you divisive, reactionary bullshit - you fascist.

Don't worry, I can already predict the next few posts and I know where this one is going.

Feel free to reply with your first coherent argument that actually references something I've said if you'd like.

As if we needed any more evidence that you are a 16 year old Corbynista.

Sup newfag, welcome to the internet. Do you need assistance in identifying the source of content?
Dohoho, we're approaching "I was just pretending to be retarded!" at breakneck speeds, are you sure this thread is equipped with adequate safety features? Then again, since you're in charge I guess we'll just go round this NASCAR track for all eternity, setting several land speed records in the process.

exhibit no. 54

Yes, this is a really well put together and coherent point that really shed some light on your opinions. Not the type of thing that somebody without an argument would say at all.

The last point of any substance in this cancer of a discussion was:
"Also the implication that English people are somehow "inherently" bad is just fucking bonkers - try actually looking at the material conditions you absolute cretin. What next, mate? "black people are inherently violent?"
Which you never responded to. I guess because you are thick and need time to work it out.

Bit early for Buckfast isn't it m8?

Still not thought of one yet then laddo?

Fair enough - cling to your pseudo-scientific views of racial and national superiority while having the cheek to call other people "ignorant"

Of course you aren't "socialist". You think that politics are a result of "the english are all tories" rather than material conditions.

I don't think you know what that word means. Care to elaborate on what made you come to that conclusion?

Are you trying to tell me that nobody is responsible for their own actions? If everything is just a result of material conditions, surely there's not really any point in even espousing an ideology if people are just going to do what the conditions tell them to.

What is it you want an example of again? I genuinely can't see your point beyond trying to drag the conversation into some tediously cyclical argument.

So your views aren't based on any sort of rational observation or method then? That much was obvious, of course, but at least you admit it.

We are talking about individuals now? Last I remember - you were trying to explain the actions of millions with "they are all bad people" - completely ignoring any rational explanation for why this group acts the way it does. Yes - individuals are responsible for their own actions. When an entire society behaves in a certain way - that is not because every individual has made the "wrong choice" completely independently or because their race is somehow corrupted.

I'm looking for you to provide some sort of basis for your wild claim that English people are somehow inherently worse than other people - which you haven't done.

its fitting that you are the laughing stock and bitchboy of your social group.

Oh no Shamus, looks like you're doing lots of implying and implications again! I hope you don't plan on driving today, you'll get someone hurt.

At no point did I claim that "English people are somehow inherently worse than other people", that's something you've tried to worm into the conversation by repeating it in the hopes it eventually became my argument, they call that a strawman. I'm saying they're stupid because they believe what they're told without question. Your argument seems to be that that's society's fault, but guess what, they are the society Shamus.

Stop trying to get your idpol wedge in there too, and stop getting so salty that I'm not letting you.

I'm Scottish you illiterate cunt

Understand that these statements were in consecutive sentences. Understand that you have completely contradicted yourself.

Your "analysis" of why English people believe what they believe, why they behave how they behave and why they vote how they vote is…. "they're stupid"

Great job.

I don't think you know what inherently means m8.

What you are saying is that whatever goes wrong in the UK is the result of a multitude of material conditions, because even though individuals are responsible for their own actions, at some arbitrary level you've decided upon they no longer become responsible and then it's society's fault, a society which consequently consists of all these individuals.

Is this some kind of meme I have missed out on? Are you trying to tell me that a large number of people are incapable of making the wrong choice by virtue of being a large number of people?

So you think that English people are "stupid" - but you don't think it's "inherent". It follows, then, that something - some outside factor - must have caused this, as you call it, "stupidity"

Why is there no mention of this in any of your posts then. Essentially all you said was "ugh the English are so annoying because they are stupid".

But surely if you recognise that some factor has led to said "stupidity" - then that is the issue that needs to be addressed - rather than simply badmouthing a population of 50 million people?

Yes, but it's not going to be fixed because they're dead set on voting against everything that would fix it in the belief that they are fixing it. They are convinced that the solution is the problem, and as such are adding to the problem by further removing the solution.

I'm not infantilising them and taking their agency away from them, nothing is stopping them from taking the initiative and making more informed decisions. They just collectively choose not to. Why should I mince my words about them? Fuck them, they can stop being willfully retarded and pick up a book. There's no cosmic force stopping them and it's not as if people haven't been trying to tell them nicely for years.

This is why I said your argument is cyclical, because you're saying that they vote in their own interest, but when they do that they're actually voting against their interests because, well, they're wrong. We have a corrupt media and a political class of shysters but no shamans casting spells preventing them from actually looking into it themselves. That's what makes them stupid. At this point they'll believe a man in a suit on the TV spouting memes like "long term economic plan" with no evidence of an economic plan in sight, because they can't be bothered to go and check and take his word for it. That's pretty stupid.

Yes - but you're completely biased against the English because of your frustration born out of living there.

Where is there a "democratic" nation where the people vote in their best interests? Seriously, where is it? And why single out England when there are nations like Poland and the USA, where there aren't even any social-democratic parties, let alone ones that represent the interests of the proletariat?

Once again, you ridiculously oversimplify. You try to explain everything by saying "they collectively choose not to" - and not looking any further than that.

There isn't a council of English workers where they all meet up and agree to be "wilfully retarded" and vote against their interests. They vote against their interests because the capitalist superstructure instructs them to - just like in every single bourgeoisie democracy in the world. They don't vote for working class parties because they are denounced and subverted by the media and the authorities.

True, but my disdain comes from just how petty and spiteful the country is, and my gripes are more to do with the culture more than anything. Maybe the rest of Europe and the Anglo world is like that, but in countries much poorer and much more downtrodden they spit far less venom and are far less gullible, despite or because of a lack of formal education and material wealth. I've been to places with over a hundred tribes and religions and there's still less division than the largely monocultural west.

I think it's to do with material wealth in itself. The first world is full of useless shit people build their lives around and as it slips away the people lash out at anyone they can pin the blame on. Sure, there's this reason and there's that reason, but it still shows human nature at its worst, with the veneer of civilisation finally stripped away you can see people for what they truly are. Sure, the people in the third world are much more laid back and more likely to reject the norms of western culture, but as the planet progresses technologically the human race is going to be increasingly dragged towards revealing the worst parts of itself.

I guess what I'm trying to say is it's a Pandora's box scenario, we're past the event horizon now.

Which is a more reasonable conclusion than your original point - the blame is on the material conditions - not the English people themselves.

But if I did that then who would go on a ruse cruise with me?

And you're not telling them off? What a faggot thou art

How did this devolve into "ur a racist" just because somebody identified the actors involved in an specific example.

Holy shit this board is terrible.