It is true that the National Socialist redpill is usually the hardest to swallow. Not only that...

It is true that the National Socialist redpill is usually the hardest to swallow. Not only that, but it is one of the most jading and isolating. Both sides of my family are entirely German, and most of them are Israel worshiping neocons. How am I supposed to interact with normies? For the past four years I've had little social interaction outside of work.

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Nowadays its easier to do everything inside capitalism. Look at Trump. National-Capitalism seems to be more stable and more supported ideology.

There's no easy fix for this, I'm experiencing the same feelings you are now. If you hang out with a group of normies, would you be happy pretending to support ideologies you know are aiding the destruction of western civilization? No one here can make that decision for you, ultimately it is up to YOU to decide what is most important.

The problem with people who take a cursory glance like this is that they attach themselves to what they already understand (even when it's wrong or barely an understanding) and pretty much stop there. This user attached himself to petty economic and political labels. He doesn't understand a thing.

Why do most anons still not understand that Trump, their "god emperor", is a Jewish plant? I've known since the beginning, all it takes is a simple google search to discover who he associates with.

this is definitely heresy.

If you still think that you will still have a job after Soros and Hillary will be put into jail you are mistaken.

True jewish plant would not stop expansion of israel towards syria, and would not stop destruction of western culture. Get fucked.

Normies have no capacity for rational or logical thought or discussion. You have to talk on their level, appealing to their shallow feelings. Understand that you are better than them, but don't talk down to them. Assume, until proven otherwise, that everyone you meet is an empty husk of what could be a sapient person and act accordingly. Don't give them an inch unless they give you an inch first. After being around someone with a stronger will long enough, these husks will start to adopt the way this stronger person thinks and acts, eventually becoming just like their idol. It works the same way that the liberals convert the masses, except slower and more permanent.
Just lead by example, OP. The ones that are worth saving will follow you eventually.

Wonderfully said. Everyone ought to live their lives by the National Socialist example, and the masses might eventually come around,

Oh please, can you shitskins stop this D&C tactic already? It didn't work 6 months ago, and it won't work now.

Who's to say that the kikes don't fight among themselves?

He called out globalists in his speeches which barely anyone ever dared to do, dropped hints on jews, is fully pro-white and redpilled. Fuck off, Shlomo

But he still shies away from saying "Jews". He prefers "establishment". When he calls out the Jews directly, and has them register as he'll have the Muslims, then he's the real deal.

THIS

Israel doesn't benefit from peace with Palestine. Without their sordid little "conflict" with Palestine, Israel doesn't "need" gibsmedats from the US. The only party who benefits from this is us.

No, it's not the hardest pill to swallow. And in most cases, the NS pill is the edgy clown pill.

This is true. I didn't intend to imply that there wasn't anything good about President Trump, I just know that he isn't the Messiah that Holla Forums makes him out to be. Some even have the audacity to compare him to our eternal leader, Adolf Hitler. That's what I don't understand. He was okay with his daughter marrying a Jew for fucks sake, and she converted to Judaism. Adolf Hitler would have never allowed his kin to betray their people.

Kill yourself, ZOGbot. Trump is a stepping stone, far from the end game. This half-assed ideology won't be enough for the long run.

Naming the Jew will do more harm than good.
Just factor in that a small margin of people in this world know that the Holocaust was a Jewish sham. If he names the Jew now, people will make angry tirades comparing him to the fabled version of Hitler.

In most cases, it is pretty edgy. I've been this way for almost half a decade, and it's practically destroyed my social life. Not through others avoiding me for being an edgy nazi, but simply because i find being around neocons and race traitor liberals depressing.

Also, I thought I'd mention. What do you guys think of Esoteric Hitlerism?

ironmarch.org/index.php?/topic/6334-esoteric-hitlerism/

"ADOLF HITLER, THE SLEEPING KING AT THE CENTER OF THE EARTH

A small observation that recently came to mind.

The idea of Hitler having escaped to Antarctica and from there to Hollow Earth, waiting for the day of his return with a large force behind him in the last war to usher in the next Golden Age actually perfectly follows the traditional themes of the King sleeping in the Mountain. Everyone interested in EH should (re-)read Mysteries of the Grail. These themes always contain a wounded, poisoned, sleeping Hero/King who exists in a state of sleep/paralysis/unconsciousness in some locations that impart the meaning of centrality, like inside a Mountain or on an Island. He awaits the predestined hero who searches for the Grail and passes on the mantle of the King to this hero, becoming the new avatar of this function.

Hollow Earth = Center of the Earth = Center, thus the theme plays itself out.

Hitler losing the war = Wounded, theme plays itself out.

Some of the relevant passages from the Mysteries of the Grail, I underscored particular elements. First on how Hollow Earth is another symbol of the inaccessible hidden place where the wounded/sleeping King has been taken to."

"his is how the traditional notion of an invisible "King of Kings;' or "Universal Ruler;' or "King of the World;' came to be associated with specific symbols, some of which derive directly from analogies, while others are mythologized memories of the land or lands where the primordial Olympian cycle unfolded.

These are first and foremost symbols of centrality: the center, the pole, the region in the middle of the earth, the central stone or the foundation, the magnet. Then, symbols of stability: the island surrounded by the waters, the rock, the unshakable stone. Finally, symbols of inviolability and inaccessibility; the invisible or not-to-be-found castle or land, a wild mountain peak, a subterranean region. Moreover, the "Land of Light," the "Land of the Living," the "Holy Land." Yet again, all the variations of the golden symbolism, which, on the one hand, includes all the notions of solarity, light, regality, immortality, and incorruptibility while, on the other hand, it has always had some relationship with the primordial tradition and with the age characterized by gold. Other symbols point to "life" in the higher sense of the word (e.g., the "perennial food;' the "Tree of Life"), to a transcendent knowledge, to an invincible power; everything appears variously mixed in the fantastic, symbolic, or poetic representations that in the various traditions have foreshadowed this constant theme of the invisible regnum and of the Supreme Center of the world, in itself or in its emanations and reproductions."

Capitalism is as much of a kike subversion as communism is, even more as it's much more destructive long term (what we can witness with western countries being much more cucked than eastern ones today)

Not to mention that nationalism and capitalism are completely incompatible with each other, but good luck explaining that to lolbergs.

Also, kikes own most of capital in the world today, so they are most inclined to shill for capitalism (especially the lolberg kind), never forget that.

All ideologies in the world are invented by kikes. Nationalism itself is a jewish ideology of one race of people superior over another, it was never a case in culture of white people before jews spread out on lands along with catholicism. We assimilated one tribe over the other, after we conquered them.

Monarchy is actually the standard traditional rule that isn't subverted by jews, since it existed before they got out of their containment lands. So being monarchist is better than being nationalist.

kek, you're trying too hard OP

Libertarianism is confused liberalism. They fight for same values of social anarchy and degeneracy, false freedom with usual capitalistic economy. There's no difference between those destructive ideologies. Socialist democracy or anarcho-capitalism is basically the same shit, but brewed for different kinds of people, who wave different flags.

Also your current leaders are trash.

At least libertarians have leaders. NatSoc has none, unless you think david duke is a leader.
protip: trump is not a nazi

tell that to the mainstream media.

I don't know how it is in burger-land but the NatSoc party in Germany is meeting on a regular basis to go hiking or other outdoor activitys. On some holidays the meet to clean WW2 memorials. Maybe your NatSoc partys are doing equally.
I don't know much of your smaller partys but this one looks good: tradworker.org/

And guess why they are using a cog as symbol

Cool find! That's the guy who founded the White Student Union as well.

Jeff Hanneman from Slayer just "collected NSDAP memorabilia as a hobby". Like hardcore, he had some of the rarest shit you could buy. But always "i dont have to explain the nazis dont be silly we all know what they were about loooool" attitude.

Your nose is showing Chaim

Nationalism =/= National chauvinism

Enjoy permaban.

did that get under your skin, cryptokike?

CTR go home ALREADY.

You're grasping at straws there, buddy.

Too bad the ovens were too small kike. Go away.

On the topic of the NatSoc redpill, I am at an impasse.
I am a staunch social conservative and I believe all social degenerates should be 'physically removed, so to speak' in order to maintain optimal homogeneity in communities. Ethnocentric heterosexual monogamy, that whole thing.
The dilemma arises from the economic platform of the National Socialists, particularly the 'Socialist' part. I do think the free market is desirable, and I don't appreciate taxation and a Big Brother government interfering in the affairs (or, some element of privatization). I think tax money should go towards infrastructure and military, with the rest being left for the cream of the crop to rise up and offer the best service to the people.
I am also aware of how Jewy an-cap really is, and how it is ultimately the (((globalist's))) wet dream.
I understand the National Socialists took measures to avoid this, but they did tax the rich (proportionally-speaking) more so than the poor, and they did have income caps (ihr.org/other/economyhitler2011.html).
I just think that the line between keeping businesses in line so that they do not fall for the siren call of the globalist and "hey bro spread that wealth we are the 99%" is quite thin.

what the hell is that ID.

To clarify, I am aware of how Jewy an-cap is and how NatSoc made efforts to avoid this, but to what extent/effect, I am not sure.
I think Capitalism has its downfalls, but I do not support socialism (or more pronounced socialism) over it. Was NatSoc Capitalism with effort made to prevent kikery, or Socialism in the modern/Marxist sense?

Except that capitalism never was, and never will be about that. Capitalism rewards kikery and anti-social behavior, and with no control you get a bunch of subhuman degenerates pass on their wealth to their inbred children ad infinitum while quality people never get the chance in the first place.

It's both dysgenic and demotivating (once the kike propaganda wears off), just like communism.

National socialism strikes the best balance between freedom and duty.

I dunno I've redpilled everyone I've come in contact with to a certain extent. Of course the holohoax is the hardest to swallow and usually I don't even bother since its not important. I just focus on nationalism since that's the important thing (or rather, destroying globalism and the economic and media network of the jew).

You don't even need to arm yourself with arguments. You just need to arm yourself with the truth. "Isn't it horrible this old woman had a SWAT team break into her home and arrest her for saying something? This debt based economy was never changed after the last crisis and Deutsche bank is failing. We're going to end up in another crisis now because our economy is still based on debt rather than work".

Just small things anyone would agree with.

It is NOT marxism.
Nationalsozialismus is about people helping themself, not gibsmedat. Everyone was obliged, not by the government but by the social standards, to help each other.

Never heard about that before. And even if this is true it doesn't really matter since even the poorest had a house and enaugh to eat.

There is nothing wrong with inheritance, though. My father passing down his weapon, or his life savings, or whatever it may be: that is not the decision of the government to regulate that. If some billionaire wants to give his son his wealth, then let him.
I agree with you on this point 100%, it breeds a bunch of degenerates, absolute freedom is a codeword for decadence.
I will need an elaboration on this point though:
I thought it was about the free market, as in I offer better dental servicing. You don't, so my business succeeds and I give the people what they want.
That was what I thought about NatSoc, hence the impasse. I agree that kike greed is cancerous, but I don't like that the government has to step in and regulate everything, it's just a Big Brother government. I want to be able to start a business and succeed, making tons of money and passing it down to my child. This doesn't mean I am a bad citizen if I donate and keep my Volk in my heart? It seems awfully similar to the hippie degenerates whining about "Wall Street has more money than I do".

I like the sound of that much more. I don't agree with an-caps/libertarians on their social stances whatsoever, but I think the free market is desirable, more so than over-regulation. If the National Socialist government/authority REALLY knew what was best for the people and could deliver the services better than private companies, then so be it/I stand corrected. But that is not the case today.
It just seems that pure Capitalism is just kike globalism, while regulating the markets is just big brother Communism "you give us money and we buy state sandwiches for you".

If the extent of your political understanding is that the solution to the issues of modernity is to put together the perfect platform (national socialism, no, national capitalism!, no..) , then electing politicians to enact said platform, then, well, you need to keep thinking.

The root of our civilization's problems and decline is in its insecure power structures. We're a society at perpetual war with itself, and we think that's just swell. We've lost all understanding of primary property. All the while we keep swimming down shit creek and no one knows why.

Reject imperio in imperium. Reject political formalism. Reject psychological determinism.

Read Aristotle, Fulmer, Carlyle, De Jouvenel, and Moldbug.

These are the truly dangerous ideas. 99.999% of what you've likely been reading, even in the age of the Internet, is all based in Hobbes and Locke – completely liberal, and just curtain dressing.

...

And that's the point where you are wrong. Your virtue should not be to make money but to be happy and have a healthy Volk and family. Germans back than had those priorities rather than money.

Absolutely not. To put it in the simplest terms, National Socialism, Fascism or general Third Position politics is Class Collaboration which is completely at odds with the key tenet of Marxism/Socialism/Communism, that being Class Conflict, with the aim of abolishing classes. I still don't know why more aren't aware of the fact that Hitler killed the more radical elements of the NSDAP (Strasserites), at least in terms of economics. There was private property in Germany, Hitler even encouraged it, however state intervention did exist if it harmed the nation's interests. The industries would act as different parts of a body (the nation) so that it may succeed.

Well, how do you propose we stop swimming in shit creek, or win the war, or abandon constrictive ideologies and liberate ourselves?
I believe it is 'imperium in imperio', by the way. Besides the point. Also how is that what we have, is that not just treason, or a mutiny, or a coup d'état?
I am not a psychological determinist. What does that mean in this context? From (((Wikipedia))):
That is not what I am plagued by. I disavow the ephemeral nature of the hedonist.
If this is to say that human beings are flawed and irrational, then I guess that is correct, to an extent. Factor in racial backgrounds and you have an even better argument, as well as time preferences.
Any else? What do you think about Meditations?

i too, was redpilled by this election. learning over the past month that all of history is a fraud, that Hitler was right and we were the evil side. WW1, WW2, Holohoax… it has been brutal.

i have been trying to discuss this with my ex wife, who i painstakingly but successfully converted to libertarianism over many years, but she "is not interested in politics."

my only other friend who is semi cogent politically … is a jew! but I am working on redpilling him as well. he hates how SJW has destroyed society.

almost everyone else my age is a SJW zombie. i have no patience for redpilling them and would rather exterminate them en masse.

but mostly i fear … what further redpills await me?

To clarify my point in relevant to the discussion you're wanting to have:

Debating platforms and policies is a moot fucking point in a civilization founded on the idea that imperium in imperio is a great idea. It's not; it leads only to internal war, and the parties of that war slowly but surely destroy civilization in a constant effort to win.

Put someone in charge. Complete power, nothing superior to them. Commander of the US military, with no laws or "democratic will" bullshit giving them their mandate. They're in power because they fucking have power.

They are now the primary property owner of the entire US, and they have interests in her vassal states (Europe, Oceania), so may well prioritize becoming the formal owners of that land to.

With an ability, interest, and responsibility to make good decisions, good decisions will be made. That may be socialistic in some cases, capitalistic in others. It doesn't matter - it's up to them, because they're in charge.


At this point, the cards are stacked against western civilization.

It seems exceedingly unlikely that Trump has the ability to end the republic and begin the empire. Were he to try, civil war would result (due to centuries of divided power; see above), and external powers (China, Japan, Russia) would then be able to intervene and control outcomes.

Alternatives? Not sure. China's ascension seems fairly well established now.

As mentioned above - political platforming is a dead-end.

What we can do is get fit, go to church, work hard, raise a family, have lots of kids, teach them good morals, and implore them to learn Mandarin (no, I'm not kidding), and apologize for what they and their kids will have to deal with.


No - that's not it.

Determinism is an advanced section of this whole realm of completely non-liberal political thought. If you can muster it: reactionaryfuture.wordpress.com/2016/01/19/materialism-and-determinism/

(it makes sense to me now, years into reading all of this - I was where you are)

Have fun.

You misunderstand me, I don't just want a shekel, I am not willing to betray my countryman if it meant getting an extra buck.
Having a sound financial background is vital in raising a virtuous family. I want a middle-class lifestyle with a traditional woman and two children.


This is what I am looking for. You'll have to excuse my cynicism, as most governments did not keep the people's interests as their first priority, so I find it hard to believe. Every single time you do, they open up the vote, betray the blood, tax the shit out of you, push business out, and create nothing but ruin as far as the eye can see.
I've heard that Fascism is 'left-wing'. Is this just butthurt Capitalists, or do they just over-regulate the shit out of everything without the daftest clue of what is best for the people.
Also, trade unions are shit, in your image. Most of the shit working conditions have been dealt with. We have coffee breaks now, employers don't screw the workers over. It's just coercion of the worker "we want x and will strike if we don't get it" at this point. At least modern trade unions.
The trickle-down thing is dumb, too. I don't think it means that the poor will just get rich, but that if they start competitive businesses up, too, then they can succeed. Most of the modern poor are that way because of drug use. They had a fair shot and they spurned it. Even if you take them to water, you cannot teach them to drink (they will still be drug addicts unless they make the conscious effort to avoid that lifestyle).
For other degenerates, they are beyond reproach. AIDS-infested Sodomites will have to be physically removed, they have no use. Marxist traitors also have no use in the societies, they will have to be expelled.

No, the Jesus is a kike and Christianity is the source of Jewish power over the West is the hardest redpill.

20% of Holla Forums still can't reach that power level

Don't ruin the thread. But you're right

lost me at socialist, m88

So might makes right? He who has the power will know what to do with it because might is the greatest test of a man's character?
As in:
I agree with the power premise, though. The weak should fear the strong, etc.
Not sure what you mean, imperium in imperio is "an empire within an empire". Does that mean a mutiny, is it a violent empire uprising in the original empire, or just divided control? So does the absence of political platforming just mean third positions, like NatSoc or Fascism?
With you so far, excellent.
Yeah nah, that's pretty defeatist.
>Determinism is an advanced section of this whole realm of completely non-liberal political thought. If you can muster it: reactionaryfuture.wordpress.com/2016/01/19/materialism-and-determinism/
I am not very well-versed in philosophy, or the 'must-reads' at all. I am still a young man and cannot find the time to get to all of these readings. I know a few of the core basics, but not much else. I will give this a good read, though. Thanks.

you got lost in the 50s section

I think I did, too. Any time I hear 'socialist', I just dismiss it immediately. Aren't Socialism and Marxism interchangeable? Rather, that abolishing classes is the logical conclusion to abolishing private property (or seizing the means of production from le rich 1%, in realty normal middle-class hardworkers).

the religious establishment has literally served as the MSM and pop-culture for the last millenias.
but most people on this borad still wont break off

Except this is not your weapon, tool shed or some life savings, this is giving them a lot of power. Power over other people. Control. That they didn't earn on their own, or prove to be worthy of. Thus it is completely unnatural and dysgenic, especially when it spreads over countless generations. Not to mention that someone being a billionaire in the first place is anti-natural and impossible without the kikery of the highest order. And do you actually NEED to be one? What difference does it make having few millions or a billion dollars? From a standpoint of a healthy, wise and honest man? You only need that extra wealth if you want to engage in maximum degeneracy at the expense of other people, or hoard wealth for the sake of hoarding like a Jew.


Free market doesn't exist. If regulations don't control it, those with most capital will. Read a book on economy (that's not lolberg fairytales) to understand just how many mechanisms there are for using accumulated capital as a leverage and as a weapon against smaller businesses. Providing better/cheaper products only works on a small and somewhat medium scale.

Nat Soc is not about government controlling everything, it's about everyone being the government. It's about constant pressure being exerted from both above and below until you get the optimal system of checks and balances.

You need to make your mind about what's more important for you. Your selfish short term interests, or the long term interests of your people (and that includes your future generations). And unless you already have a lot of capital, capitalism is self-defeating as well, as your chances to actually succeed are much, much lower than you think. It's a typical gamblers fallacy.

The goal is to make it possible that even the "poor" people can afford lots of children

Note: the "You were there" part at the beginning is translated wrong. Goebbels asks him if he is a farmer.
polite sage for self replying

Kill yourself, shlomo scum.

How big is your nose?

I fucking love that man.

Sounded like a Commie until
This actually makes a lot of sense, I never really thought about this. The 1% is overwhelmingly Jewish, I doubt every Jew in Hollywood got to where they are because of their "brilliant capability" just as much as (((Amy Schumer))) got in because of her comedy act.
But I'm not talking about billions, I'm talking about a father passing down his life savings to his son, an average middle-class guy who raised his son now gives his money to his own blood.
Again, I'm talking of middle-class. Billionaires are a different story.
Sounds pretty Keynesian there, what do you mean? Are you against hiding wealth instead of spending it in the economy? Using inflation as an incentive to invest before your, say, $200 becomes $20?


But the poor can only achieve this if they work hard for it. Modern welfare system act as disincentives for this outcome. How many poor people do you know who fit this description? A while back, I saw my friend offer them the meal they had not eaten, and they turned it down. Most likely because it wasn't money, for drugs.

Most examples of government we have seen and continue to see even to this day don't have their people's interests at heart, whether it be because they have been subverted by (((them))), are greed ridden opportunists or a mix of both. We have seen what NatSoc can be, it has been implemented, unlike communism which can't ever be successfully implemented. You have to have some hope for something better, it isn't healthy to envision every single person within the power structure to go against the nation's benefit. Nationalists have existed and continue to exist.

Fascism isn't left or right, it is as i have said Third Position and even then there are different flavors of fascism as opposed to capital F Fascism (Italy), National Syndicalists like the Falange in Spain and Mosley's BUF come to mind.

I'm not for trade unions, Hitler ended trade unions in Germany.

It's difficult for many to even scrape enough money to start something up when those same (((people))) who promote trickle down economics push for trade deals which harm the working class.

None, because we live in capitalism not in national socialism.
That has been my point the whole time.

Might certainly does make "right" … but, to your supposition: not exactly. It's unlikely that whoever attains power is the most qualified to enact power.

However, it doesn't take a lot of brilliance to be able to delegate decisions to people who are very qualified in their assigned domains.

Robert Filmer's "Patriarcha: Natural Power of Kings" is the quintessential source for the question leading on from the realization that unified power is better than divided power - that is, the question of "who should receive power?"

Taking from: reactionaryfuture.wordpress.com/2016/11/07/locke-versus-filmer-or-why-you-are-all-communists/

Filmer writes:


And RF summarizes:


Back to your questions:


It means the power centers of society warring against each other constantly throughout the ages. It's all culture wars now, since the left has been firmly in control since the Reformation(s), English Civil War, and French Revolution. The so called "enlightenment", that is. (see how might makes right?)

This process kills the civilization.

Read De Jouvenel and Moldbug for this. Moldbug is the most accessible: unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2008/04/open-letter-to-open-minded-progressives.html


No. I think you might be missing my point there. "Political platforms" make people feel good and meaningful. My position is that it's unlikely to be fruitful given the stage our civilization is at. People will still want to attach themselves to such purposes and branding, though.


Well, what do you think we can do?


You're welcome. Looking back - it's a lot like the Matrix. It's a real fucking shitter to have this political understanding, but I do prefer to understand reality rather than living in the clouds.

A damn shame. There will be death squads to end their great betrayal eventually, the people will wake up. If the psychological warfare has its way, then that will not be the case unless some great redpill is swallowed and shifts the Overton window back to the social Right.
Interesting point.
Good.
I had not considered this, that is a great point. NAFTA and the like.


I think is has more do with absolute freedom/moral relativists versus absolute standard of morals upheld by virtuous members of communities.
Druggies will exist unless that lifestyle is ostracized and punished. Don't think it is dependent upon capitalism versus natsoc. If either one forgets that standard, then chaos ensues. Granted, natsoc can enforce this much easier than under capitalism, as there is an incentive to be a backstabbing kike with capitalism. Pure individualism, pure hedonism.

Fixed

Good point, but considering ideal scenarios, then yes.

Yes. I will read that link, too. Thanks again.
Would the counterweight be to strike back at this great shifting of the Overton window?
And what might that be?
Ties in with the point above on the Overton window. Teach them what you said: get fit, go to church, work hard, raise a family, have lots of kids, teach them good morals more so than the other guy.

I'll leave you with this short video, as it's getting late for me.

Praise KEK.

Alright, well thanks for the time and redpills.

Try using fascism as an avenue to redpill your normie friends (the politcial class is so corrupt, the 1% is so corrupt).

99% of people understand this, point out that fascism is misunderstood and that with government regulation (in the national interest) that this wold have never occurred.

I had a nice discussion with someone who turned the conversation towards illuminati shit, I asked her "do you know about fascism?" obvious answer "yeah its evil and oppressive" then "actually it was about the people, fascism was government for the people. If a business was not going to help the country then it was not allowed to start."

"why do you think these ideas have become buzzwords for "bad people"?" after a 15 minute conversation listening and answering her questions it ended with her saying "alright, that's enough I don't want you converting me to fascism." to which I said "I'm not i just think its interesting how many lies we have been taught (back to the illuminati shit)." That is the art of the gentle redpill, turn an organic conversation into a redpill, then back off when they start getting obvious cognitive dissonance, Move back to normie shit like TV or celebrities or whatever the subject was.

If they come back and ask you questions a few days later then you have planted the seed for them to start searching out into on their own just try to lead them in the right direction.

This was one of the most blue pilled women I have ever met btw. She went to africa to "give aid". Its all about selecting your vector point and not being a complete autist.

t. complete autist.

was said with a smile while we were both laughing. That seems like an important detail reading this back.

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Also redpilling women is much harder. I am more of a tough love kind of guy, so I will give the redpill as a suppository. Some girl starting talking about white privilege, so I talked about indigenous slaughters amongst their own, the white man's burden, and crime statistics, as well as immigration (or, if it must be necessary, what the immigrant must do to be in the best interests of the nation and its people: not allowed to vote, hold office, commit crime of any sort, etc.). Did not end well, but I do not have the patience to beat around the bush. Take it or leave it.

You need to understand that Americans (and most of western bloc) have undergone decades of brainwashing how everything that's not the most kike'd brand of capitalism is communism. You are so deeply conditioned by it that it causes a Pavlovian reflex. And this is why Americans are hardest to redpill, as their indoctrination is as strong as Soviet one.


There is nothing wrong with inheritance as long as it doesn't give someone too much of an edge in life over other people. Everyone needs to earn what he owns, and everyone needs to be worthy of the power he has. That is the most optimal state. Kikes are just experts at nepotism and networking, it's their natural habitat.

Nat Soc is the most middle class friendly system. Keynesianism is not possible because the very nature of economy is different there. Nor is Marxism, or (((Chicago school))). It's a rounded up system on it's own. Yes, it's goal is to eliminate both the very rich and very poor, but it in no way forces equality of any kind.

And most importantly, economy is completely secondary here. You put it as a first issue because you have a mentality of a petty merchant (not your fault, you live in such society), but in Nat Soc the economy is only a means to an end, not the end in itself like in capitalism or communism.

Well, yes, as our civilization's decline becomes more and more inescapable, the Overton window will naturally widen as people research and try to explain the decline. (and btw - on 8ch/pol I should clarify - racial conflict will be a central symptom of the decline - but what was the root cause of that symptom?)

Holla Forumsacks like to tell themselves they're doing it through meme magic, and it is fun, but this culture change is only brought about by the backing circumstances.


Four centuries into rule founded on divided governance. The philosophy runs extremely deep at this point.

Meanwhile, there's an ascendant empire built by a fairly intelligent race, with a functional philosophical backing (Confucianism, unified governance, strong understanding and value of social trust).

As our civilization continues to decline, the overton window will widen, and there will be more and more (absolute and percentage) European peoples who are "redpilled", as in, fed up with leftist principles.

However, I think it's unlikely that we will be able to turn around the behemoth of philosophical fuckery based on Hobbes & Locke so as to be able to right the ship of Western civilization, BEFORE we begin having to contend with meddling by external powers (which we won't be able to deal with).

This is why I think political platforming (and NatSoc LARPing) isn't fruitful.

I just post on here every now and then to give someone else a leg up like someone did for me a few years back.

But if the market is not free, it is not capitalism. No surprise that the modern system is not capitalism, either, but the fundamental assertion is that the free market is desirable. I knew it was not perfect, and basically globalism incarnate, but I was not aware of a superior alternative. The rest is fairly accurate, it's basically 'my government is best and would never lie to me'. All the while the KGB was infiltrating the States, their own government did not lay down like indolent pigs, they subverted their own just as much.
Agreed.
I had not considered this. I am of the belief to reject all worldly possessions and wealth for my nation if it meant losing my blood and heritage.

I had the patience, mainly because we seemed to get along so twisting a fun organic conversation is not hard (and women are the easiest to redpill because they are not convicted in their beliefs and yet respect strong men who are. In the end redpilling any form of leftist is pretty bullshit hard, but I think it would be for the greater good if people understood hitler did something for the benefit of mankind.

By the way, to illustrate just how out-of-band we are for all this discussion, note how everything I'm writing to you is receiving -zero- comments or criticism.

People have literally no idea what I'm talking about. If you read the authors I recommended, in a few months/years, you might understand things in a way totally alien to most of the "redpilled" internet sphere (let alone Reddit, Facebook, …). Polacks call THEM the normies. Hah!

At that point, seeing how alien your thinking is, you would likely share my position on the futility of political movements in the western world.

Is this rhetorical, or should I answer? Either way, the cause is niggers being niggers, the assumption that we are all one (but only in white nations, cool it with the anti-Semitism).
Too bad Mao killed anybody who wore glasses.
Agreed, so long as there are people left to distribute redpills.
This is still unclear, are you being centrist, or just taking a third position (as in NatSoc itself)?


Well, kudos to you. I'm about one more redpill drop from being mobbed by antifa.

There is nothing to worry about then.

DOTR soon brother, save as many as you can.

I agree, I am unfamiliar with what you are saying. You come off as just another le sophisticated centrist, I am still unsure about "[your] position on the futility of political movements in the western world".

Yep, basically. Universalism. A very liberal idea. Where did that come from? Where did the philosophical foundations of the roots of our other social ills come from?

Mentioning univeralism, it's always funny seeing polacks equate universalism with Christianity itself - it wasn't always that way, boys, but again, you all have no idea what I'm saying.


I've described my position to you in earlier posts.

reactionaryfuture.wordpress.com/2016/04/09/platform-building/

Good luck.

(signing off)

There will be a rain to cleanse the filth from the streets.

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You could say that communism and capitalism are two sides of the same shekel. They are two extremes that flip and change sides at certain point. One destroys the individual by forcing him to become the equalized mass, another destroys the individual by forcing blind individualism irrespective of the society. We need a well developed individual, that is an organic part of society. Think what would happen if all the cells in your body started fighting each other for body resources they don't actually need. This is the disease of the modern society. Or what would happen if all the cells had equal nourishment, regardless of their role (brain cells take much more energy than some periphery tissue for example)

Anyway, market can only be truly free for a very short period of time (in a hypothetical scenario where everyone starts from zero, that will never happen in reality). It's end game is the same as that of communism, or more specifically, tyrannical feudalism. To understand a system, don't look at it's initial state, look at it's logical conclusion.


I'm glad someone finally put a yellow star on that kike LaVey kek.

So that's your blog, then.
Alright, bye. Thanks for the chat.

Precisely what I am after. So NatSoc is the equilibrium?
Good point.
Thanks, that answers it.

Whoops wrong video, but all the people getting carried away where antifa. 50 workers party vs 200 antifagshits and 5 antifa went to hospital. Pretty good odds 1v1 or even 1v4 m8.

They want civil war in the States, but with what guns? They are going to petition the opponent to death. Sun Tzu is rolling over in his grave, they are like sitting ducks.

Not my blog. I'm just an user.

I'm going to highlight parts of that linked post here since it's relevant to this whole thread and maybe some posters here will read it and realize "oh god what have I been doing".


I apologize that reality is unpleasant. I'll tune back into Holla Forums in a few weeks and see this same shit spinning again.

But what does happen is a consequence of who has the power. Those who have the power dictate the future.
If you are referencing the inevitable collapse as the "will happen", then that is defeatist.
Seems overly cryptic and exceedingly centrist, or without aim. What 'must happen' is a product of its environment, it is not intrinsic (the only thing that is, is the inevitable collapse, but basing our mindset upon that is defeatist), for if that were the case, it 'would happen' regardless of the power dynamic, but that is not the case.
Again, I feel as if this is alluding to the incapability of bipedal primates "dude reddit stars and atoms and black science man lmao".

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You almost made me spit out my soy-mocha-chai-frappe-latte all over my mac book.

A war of words is fought with 1000 tweets and 10,111 more blocks and shadow bans.


Checked, enjoy some BLM youth for your troubles

Universalism is not inherently incorrect. It's just that other things that go along with it get ignored on purpose.

We are all ultimately the same, and ultimately different. It's hard to explain without going into some quite complex philosophy, but let's just say that you won't uplift niggers by killing yourself and letting them breed excessively on your expense. It's not the philosophy that's wrong, it's the context that it gets wrongly applied to. Basically, they are doing it wrong so they can profit on both sides.


Not the forced equilibrium, but the natural one, yes.

Communism - equal opportunity, equal outcome

Capitalism - unequal opportunity, unequal outcome

NatSoc - equal opportunity, unequal outcome

On BLM, and niggers in general, there is an utmost respect for the ethnic population of a nation. One ought to do everything to preserve that lineage, that much we can all agree on. It is better to uplift than to abandon, for all this decadence is taught (or, a result of a lack of moral fibre and proper education), and can be un-taught with redpills, though it may take years.
But what of the race traitor? There is no crime as heinous and filthy as betraying the heritage of your people. Surely, these people are irredeemable, and must be made an example of.


I agree with Communism, but in what way is Capitalism an unequal opportunity? Is it the same mindset as the gentile has in that one comic where he decides to start a business, but the heeb states that he must first have a house to be eligible. In order to be eligible for a house, he must first have a good credit, from paying off a mortgage which he must get, with plenty of interest on it, too. Yadda yadda, repeat until the gentile claims that he is happy to live in a free market.
In what way does the Capitalist society have an unequal outcome, too? If you work hard, you get your fair share (ideally). If I truly have a great product, it will flourish.
How is the NatSoc outcome unequal, too? Is that a result of indolence versus honour (or, he who works to uplift his people will succeed, while the lazy individual will fail)?

I think people who have trouble swallowing the NatSoc pill just don't understand it.

I've been reading a lot about NatSoc lately and I came into it confused because lol socialism is in the name right it's just another path to a Marxist hellhole. Nah, the main focus of NatSoc seems to be respect for Nature and Reality. It's appreciation for the way things ARE and trying to work with that not force people and nature to work against their instincts.

I am not fully informed yet but my advice to anyone who is interested in NatSoc but turned off by the idea of socialism try looking into tangentially related works like a biography of William Pierce or Hitler if you can find a decent one. Maybe read things written BY NatSocs but not necessarily about National Socialism, etc. You get a sense for what it is without having to wade deep into political and philosophical thought.

Thanks, that's where I'm at, too.
I'm so used to socialism being defended by social parasites like Commies and Marxists that I want nothing to do with it.

I'm a doctor and it makes it damn harder to kiss ass when every other senior physician is a fucking handrubbing stereotype.

I attended a lecture by one of the world experts in wound care a few weeks ago and I completely lost the ability to concentrate on the research findings after he shared a small anecdote about how he's been volunteering as team doctor and is now some unpaid manager for the women's Olympic swimming team and under-14s athletes training program. Those poor girls.

Gross, I never got that. Pedos need to be purged, it's so fucking filthy.

He didn't say anything incriminating and I'm sure I was the only one in the room whose mind even considered that sort of filth … but fuck it sounded shady.

Read my previous posts

Basically, in capitalism those who inherit most wealth and influence (networking) rise/stay on top, not those who work hardest or are most capable (except in rare exceptions). Therefore it has no equal opportunities. And i'm not talking about "real capitalism was never tried" , i'm talking about reality.

In Nat Soc, you would more or less start equal, and then succeed based on your qualities and hard work.

What's so hard to understand?

I'm kind of hesitant to socialism, that's all.
I just found a good video, thought it might have some relevance to this conversation: youtube.com/watch?v=HXqty2rkUDY
Technically speaking, this is pure capitalism, but it is nation-destroying. Making money from money. The free market destroys the need for nations, and results in one global economy always undermining the top dog.

Interesting, will check it out. But Soros is only doing what the system is allowing him. He got rich thanks to capitalism, not socialism.

It's easy to think that, but he's a flip flopper. He has many contradicting views that go against kikes, such as getting close to Russia and possibly letting Bashar off the hook. He even said earlier in the year that he would be "neutral" on the Palestine issue, but of course took it back. The fact that he mentioned it at all is very good. He will do everything covertly.

that tradeworker dude is a 4th-way Dugin cocksucker. He is ideologically opposed to nationals socialism

read the socialism section, it is completely different from marxist socialism, it talks of Social equity as in everyone is equally German and united regardless of class.

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