WE NEED TO MEME THE 4TH POLITICAL THEORY

Cuckchan is real ITT

Dulgin is based newfag. Nationalism is a stepping stone to ethnonationalism is a stepping stone to national socialism.

You idiot.

MUH PR.

Commit suicide.

You don't win by showing all your cards faggot. You also don't win by alienating all your allies. Dugin has gotten the Russian government to fund white nationalists all over Europe. What have you done faggot?

Your nose is showing

We already HAVE nationalism with Trump, with heavy ethonationalist elements. The next stop is towards National Socialism… not to be diverted towards an ideology that leads away from National Socialism and over to a niche ideology designed specifically and solely for Russia's particular situation and which is neither made for, nor would work for, western nations.

Nobody said don't bother with the universities. I just said MUH PR because we'll never win anything for as long as we kowtow to the leftists every time they whine, which is always; and you know it JIDF. It's been awhile you and I. At least you're smarter than CTR.

I say, go for the universities, but working towards OUR ideology, not a foreign one. Eurasianism has no place in the west. You can have them as allies if they stay in Russia but we should absolutely NOT waste intellectual effort trying to spread it in the west when we could be moving towards NatSoc instead.

Go back to reddit if you think what we have now is nationalism. We had a protest vote that shifted the overton window. We need to capitalize on this with an INTELLECTUAL foundation for our position.

This guy is definitely on our side. His work builds on classic right wing theorists like Oswald Spengler, Heidegger, Guenon and Evola. Fags in this thread want to transplant 1930's Germany to the US which has completely different cultural roots. You can't just trash everything american, you have to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN

4th Political Theory =/= Eurasianism

Eurasianism is its Russian manifestation. In America it has to be built on a different platform that focuses on the US's sphere of influence and internal problems.

We don't have nationalism yet. The missing step to natsoc is to redefine Trump's personal stance as the new face of the right/republican party. Then we radicalize that towards the third position. We need a theory-label (e.g. paleocon, neocon, new right, etc) that pundits can rally behind.

In America it has no place to begin with. Keep that shit in Russia where it belongs, we have our own goals and ideology, we do not need cucky civic nationalist hacks trying to hijack Holla Forums's efforts for that shit.

We have a working class movement built on memes. Remember that to have a white nationalist movement we have to counter the progressivist propaganda fed to us in the universities.

okay pal

We have to tailor our ideology to the US and our own geopolitical situation. We can't just say:

"Mein Kampf says we need to invade Russia so we can grow more food hurr durr we have to do exactly that"

Dugin wants to turn whites into non-whites.

I see the problem here. You're having an argument with someone who is wholly imaginary.

Fucking THIS

We can't start by calling it NatSoc. Dugin understands this very well and uses whatever fringe group he can to destroy the Jews just like the Jews work to subvert all sorts of different movements.

For example, I know a shit ton of Orthodox Christians and almost every single one of them voted Trump. Not only that, but they actually work towards homegrown US white culture, see:
orthodoxartsjournal.org/

We need to support the institutions that support us while building our own power base as well. We have to use environmentalism to promote localism so that we can capitalize on that and transform it into nationalism.

You guys are all new as fuck

I don't think its Civic Nationalism. He is not taking into consideration the fact we're going to have robot labor, fusion energy, and 3d printed houses.

Once 50-805 of job are gone, there is not reason for people to be "mixed" together. The only reason its needed now is birth rates and labor has to be moved. When there is no need for labor, multiculturalism ceases to be needed (in the eyes of the economy).

Once 50-80% of jobs are gone in the next 15-30 years.

I wish cuckchan would leave

Thats based on Jewish slander images that were floating around. They were proved to be lies

pic one.

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Even if that does somehow happen, labor won't go away, it'll just move to things that are bespoke. Who wouldn't rather have a hand-crafted suit or table rather than something mass produced?

While Holla Forums is pretty milo-tier, Holla Forums is not part of the alt-kike

you wanna fucking unban me now you cocksucker

Fuck off. Aleksandr Dugin is anti-white.

We can use this to build our own position. Hitler didn't come out of an intellectual vacuum, he had people like Gottfried Feder and Oswald Spengler already there for him to build on.

katehon.com/article/trump-victory-epochal-event

You want to tell me 4pt isn't redpilled?

We have at the moment at best have a small amount of ethnonationalism within rural areas and economic nationalist ideas. Both can go further and we still have a long way to go until the jews are removed from their positions of power.

His political theory "4th political theory" is a rip off of the economic model of fascism even the name 4th political theory is a rip off of 3rd political theory which was a name for fascism and then a shift for a type of multiculturalism that fits for russia. He has stated several times Russian men should marry asian women he is not a nationalism and for the most part he is a crazy som bitch. I have no urge to live in a federation style multiracial shithole like russia or practice a shared culture like the one he describes.

Orthodox Christianity and Russian civilization is not part of western civilization no matter how much you want it to be so and all of you LARPing as slavs is just sad.

Just goes to show how cucked you are. Roman Catholicism was the first "universalist" org in the West, before that nations were more autonomous. Orthodoxy is the only coherent Tradition we have remaining in the West.

I rather not "work" at all and go do something fun. The economy will change, but human labor will be all but obsolete. When a robot factory can supply a widget for the whole country or the world, there will be no need for masses of labor.

The whole banking system will need to be redone.

It fulfills the future of the 3rd political theory by basing the state on Dasein and Tradition. The work of Spengler and Heidegger was moving in this direction.

Obviously race is important but the NatSoc religious/philosophical model wasn't anywhere near complete. It needed a few years of peace to be put together and it didn't get the chance.

yes Dasein can be included with race, but race is secondary, but a needed component.

any respectable philosopher from Russia or europe would tell you Russia is not western civilization

Up to now I have refrained from mentioning Russia —intentionally, for with Russia it is not a question of different peoples but of different worlds. The Russians are by no means a people like the Germans and the English. Like the Germanic tribes of the Carolingian age they contain within themselves the potentialities of many future peoples. “Russianism” is the promise of a future culture as the evening shadows grows longer and longer over the Western world. The distinctions between Russian and Western spirit cannot be drawn too sharply. As deep a cleavage as there is between the spirit, religion, politics, and economics of England, Germany, America, and France, when compared with Russia these nations suddenly appear as a unified world. It is easy to be deceived by some inhabitants of Russia who reflect strong Western influence. The true Russian is just as inwardly alien to us as a Roman in the Age of Kings or a Chinese long before Confucius would be if they were suddenly to appear among us. The Russians have been aware of this every time they have drawn a line of demarcation between “Mother Russia” and “Europe.”

For us, the primitive soul of Russia is an inscrutable something that lies behind dirt, music, vodka, meekness, and a strange melancholy. We naturally form our judgments subjectively, i.e., as the late, urban, and intellectually mature members of a wholly different culture. What we “see” in Russia is therefore not a soul just now awakening, which even Dostoyevsky was helpless to describe, but our own mental picture of it, which is formed by our superficial image of Russian life and Russian history and is further falsified by the use of such very “European” words as will, reason, and Gemut. Yet perhaps some of us are able to convey a virtually indescribable impression of that country that will leave no doubt as to the immense gap that separates us.

This childlike, inarticulate, fearsome people has been confused, wounded, tortured, and poisoned by having forced upon it the patterns of a foreign, imperious, masculine, and mature “European” culture. Its flesh has been pierced by European-style urban centers with European ambitions, and its undeveloped consciousness infected by overripe attitudes, philosophies, political ideas, and scientific principles. In 1700, Peter the Great forced upon his people the Baroque style of politics, complete with cabinet diplomacy, dynastic influence, administration, and a Western-style navy. In 1800, English ideas, basically incomprehensible to these people, made their entrance in the guise of French writers who succeeded in confusing the minds of a small intellectual minority. Even before 1900 the bookish Russian intelligentsia introduced Marxism to their country, a complex product of Western European dialectics of whose origin they were completely ignorant. Peter the Great transformed the tsarist state into a major power within the Western system, thus perverting its natural development. And the “intelligentsia,” themselves the product of the Russian spirit after it was corrupted by foreign-style cities, then entered the scene with their somber longing for indigenous institutions that must arise in some far-distant future, thereby distorting the primitive thought of their country into a kind of barren, childish theorizing after the manner of professional French revolutionaries. Owing to the Russians’ boundless humility and willingness to sacrifice, Petrinism and bolshevism have accomplished some very real things in senseless and disastrous imitation of such Western creations as the Court of Versailles and the Paris Commune. But these institutions have affected only the surface of Russian existence; each of them can disappear and reappear with unpredictable swiftness.

As yet Russia has had only religious experiences, no social or political ones. Dostoyevsky, in reality a saint who has been made to appear in the nonsensical and ridiculous Western guise of a romancier, is misunderstood if his social “problems” are considered apart from his novelistic form. His true essence is sooner to be found between than in the lines, and in The Brothers Karamazov he reaches a religious intensity comparable only to that of Dante. His revolutionary politics, on the other hand, originated within an insignificantly small metropolitan coterie which no longer possessed definite Russian sensibilities and, as far as family extraction is concerned, can indeed hardly be called Russian at all. As a consequence Dostoyevsky’s political thought was caught between the extremes of forced dogmatism and instinctive rejection.

Hence Russia’s deep, formidable, atavistic hatred of the West, of the poison in its own body. It can be felt in the inner suffering of Dostoyevsky, in the violent outbursts of Tolstoy, and in the silent brooding of the common man. It is an irrepressible hatred, often unconscious and often concealed beneath a sincere inclination to love and understand, a basic hatred of all symbols of the Faustian will: the cities (Petersburg in particular) which intruded as vanguards of this will on the rural calm of the endless steppes; the arts and sciences, Western thought and emotion, the state, jurisprudence, administrative structure, money, industry, education, “society”—in fact, everything. It is the primeval apocalyptic hatred that distinguishes the culture of antiquity. All bolshevism contains something of the dismal bitterness of the Maccabees, as well as of the much later insurrection that led to the destruction of Jerusalem. Its rigid dogmatism alone could never have supplied the impetus that sustains the movement even to the present day. The subliminal anti-Western instincts of Russia, at first directed against Petrinism, have lent strength to bolshevism. But since bolshevism is itself an outgrowth of Petrinism it will in time be destroyed in order to complete Russia’s liberation from “Europe.”

Russia is closer to France culture or Asian culture. they are moon based, which is why communism took hold there

You say that now, but I bet you'd get bored sooner or later. Humans enjoy being productive and industrious. They like finding new ways to push themselves to their limits. Whether or not that will always take the form of "work" … personally, I think it will. I think a lot of this futurism will turn out to be a pipe dream, like the futurism of all the generations that came before us.

Though, you never know. Maybe we're just a few years out from literally being able to meme things into reality.

your trying to steal Russia's unique civilization and religious experience because you know that your own has no value and substance. It wont work you are not a slav and you never will be.

I'm familiar with both Spengler's view of pseudomorphosis of Russia and the view of the Slavophiles. I don't believe that the US needs to follow Russia exactly but to build up from its own soil rather than transplant German NS which was tailored to its own time and place.

are you going to explain to me the racemixing he has advocated for in the past or some of the more crazy outlandish shit like the crystal skulls and Atlantis

we are already doing it

people will work, but at things that interest them, not for need of basic supplies

Its important we execute this in a Nationalistic / Libertarian and cultural way, not in a Socialist or Communist way.

Yeah, the fringe elements of Duginism went off the deep end but the core which is based on Heidegger, Spengler and the Traditionalists is good stuff and takes over from where the 3rd Reich left off.

Are you sure he didn't advocate it to destroy the West while it was still Atlanticist? I remember some fake quotes that initially slandered him here. As the video in OP shows his position on the US has changed now that Trump won and he has been funding white nationalists in Europe for ages

which white nationalists? im interested to know
and with what money is Dugan loaded?

how about conquer all inferior nations and remove them from the gene pool

Fuck off Holla Forums.

it's like your awareness is chronologically frozen somewhere right around jane fonda

He influences the Russian governments policy on asymmetric warfare and operates several thinktanks that fund ad support groups in the West. Katehon is just one of them. Not everything is out in the open

No we lost because of cucking, exactly what you are advocating.

We want an American fascism and should use colonial area symbology rather than german symbology but the goal is the exermination or exile of all non-whites and liberals.

Lying about those motivations to normies in order to employ the same slippery slope that liberals did is fine. But the ultimate goal should be as extreme as possible so even if we fall short we get everything we really want.

We haven't even taken our own countries back retard.

pick one m8

This what this thread is about m8

Was that a bomb victim or something? How does that sort of damage happen?

there will always be a need for labour.

Dunno tbh.

The Italian fascists did not believe race mattered. All that mattered was national unity and loyalty to the state.

like what

using such tools requires labour.
maintenance requires labour.
progress requires labour.

and there may be times where robots ought to be replaced by humans depending on the consequences of deploying robots.

I'm talking about manual labor, most people do not have the intellectual capacity to do the jobs of the future, like computer coding, creative things.

if we become more advanced, then specialists will be required even more.
there's only so much one person can do.
but this is all theoretical.
we need to consider our circumstances and find a way to adapt as best as possible.
adaptation is the key to survival.
and this is all to the end of happiness.

Constitutional Monarchies for everyone imo

I tend to agree fam

madmonarchist.blogspot.com.au/

roguemoney.net/stories/2016/8/2/dugin-globalists-supporting-massive-muslim-migrationjihad-and-neo-nazi-dialectic-to-crush-legitimate-nationalism-destroy-europe

MEME HIM

No.
Not now, not ever.
He's a eurasian closet commie.

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