The coming economic crash

We've been overdue for one for years now. Market fundamentals haven't improved at all. The only reason this bubble has been kept going is that the Fed has been pumping money into it with record low interest rates. When interest rates rise the bubble will pop and the bottom will fall out. Or it could even happen without a rise in interest rates because the market is overpriced.

This crash will be particularly bad because the asset bubble has been kept going for so long and interests rates are so low that they won't be able to be lowered effectively to help with recovery. With boomers reaching retirement age they're going to see their 401ks evaporate. The reason this bubble has been kept going for so long is to protect Obama's legacy. Can't have two economic crashes during the first nigger presidency.

You can be guaranteed that Trump will be blamed and nationalism will be blamed. Media will go into overdrive to drill it into people. It's coming and nobody can stop it and Trump won't be able to stop it. The only thing that can stop the crash is if some new revolutionary technology is produced that leads to real growth rather than speculative growth. That's doubtful to happen.

The first thing Trump will do when he gets into office is begin rising interests rates to pop the bubble earlier rather than later. You can expect a crash shortly after Trump is in office if it doesn't pop before then.

When Trump fixes the economy won't it be all fucked up for a while?

The effect of the policies Trump wants to implement are too uncertain to predict. And the benefits of those policies will only be seen in the long term. Short term they will hurt because the economy is so reliant on cheap imports and illegal labour.

The US economy has been so fucked and gutted of anything productive.

Are we talking 08 or great depression?

Did any of you pay any attention the the market today?

It'll be worse than 08 because of three reasons. This bubble has been going on so long that the market has no idea what the real value of assets are and interest rates are near rock bottom already so they can't be lowered much. Lowering interest rates during a recession is tremendously helpful because it's basically like pumping money into the economy. And the bubble during 08 was mostly isolated in real estate and related markets. Today's bubble is across the board on all assets not just one particular market.

As for whether it will be as bad or worse then the great depression there's no way to know that.

And interest rates are kept low for political reasons not economic reasons. If the Fed gave one shit about the economy they would have begun slowly raising interest rates in 2011. If they had done that the recession would have already came and be mostly over with by now.

Instead the Fed has been delaying raising interests rates and releasing statements they'll do it the next quarter for about 5 years now. Then when they next quarter comes they'll release a statement that market fundamentals aren't good enough to raise rates yet they'll do it in two quarters. Then repeat that every year for 5 years.

Nasdaq down a little.
DOW and S&P 500 are up.

That horrible instant market crash after Trump's win was short lived. By the next day stocks were more or less up or back to normal. Bitcoin also surged only to come back down in less than a day.

I don't know if this is due to the Chinese kvetching or because the Plunge Protection Team came to the rescue. We can't have a crash during Obongo's last months in office now can we.

The economy crashing with no survivors is inevitable. We have essentially put a bandaid over an infected wound. It must get worse before it gets better. The question is when? My guess is after Trump gets in as OP has said.


Absolutely. What I'm confused about is what was the Feds plan if Hillshill got in? Were they going to blame the economy crashing on a war? Was the war supposed to save our economy? I don't see how the latter is even possible given that we have a fraction of the production we used to on our shores. Certain investors would have been ok but the majority of the population would be at the breadlines.

Flood the country with 80 IQ shitskins to tip the scale and blame Republicans. The same thing they always do,

bump

They blamed Bush's policies for the recession so they can't blame Trump for it unless it's several years in by which time he would have replaced every one.

The only way to fix the economy is to start making shit. The return on that investment isn't immense at first, but it does show up pretty quickly. Food is not going to be a problem. Power is not going to be a problem. Business will come to a standstill and there will be a period of price controls and completely ludicrous financial statements ("all student loan debt is forgiven", "The gold standard is back…after an X year transition plan" (which re-paints the same Keynesian illusion under which we are suffering as a form of exit strategy)).

The crash is going to be unimaginable in terms of the "economic" damage, but the market has been so removed from the economy that there aren't going to be actual shortages. People are going to be strapped for cash, but there are more things then we can ever hope to buy. There are bankrupt companies sucking oil out of the ground. Farmers get paid to underutilize their land. It will be painful for the business class, but it is very easily something that can be made bearable for the working class as long as everyone chills the fuck out and accepts the fascist takeover.

Things have gotten so bad that a single year of running things properly will make life so much more tolerable for the people that they will completely forget that the "numbers" say we are in the most astronomical depression of all time. They made the numbers meaningless, so we have to restore the things which have true meaning.

Sounds like Wall Street is pretty fucked.

Sounds good.

They sucked all of the money out of the country and made it worthless for good measure. It sounds Marxist in the end, but they are going to be holding the cash instead of the capital. If Trump is anything as close to as smart as he has to be to have gotten this far, he has to realize that he controls the most powerful form of capital in the world, the attention and striving of the American people. There are even legions of shitskins willing to go to work at his beckoning. All he has to do is put people to work and the problems sort themselves out.

At the same time, the corrupt gangs in DC and Jew York do not represent the actual American upper class. Fuck the Marxist bullshit, we have to make our elites great again as well. Hierarchy is the ancient wisdom which allowed Europa to emerge as first among the races.

It's not just Wall Street and DC either; it is time for a red purge in academia. The globalists turned over control of our educational system to Marxist scum, but we're turning the tide. Our colleges should be gods damned mystery cults producing nothing but the sharpest minds in this reality.

Short 1 month
Immediate threat from Obama, martial law for ___

Medium 3-6 months
Leftist revolution and a civil war

Long withing 1 year of Trump in office
Sustained ISIS attacks, Legit war with China or another nation, Currency collapse

Amen.
The current "elite" exist in a sort of broad cult scheme, their appeal lies with the deception of constant growth and "progress".

The pleb horde will be nowhere without federal funding, they don't even donate to their own organizations. It's all literally handed to them, the heirarchy, the community, the activism and the smugness. It's all pre-packaged. All they had to do was click "like" a bunch of times and go to a couple student council meetings.

If the 100 day plan goes through, there will be no incentive for the left to continue operations in the way that they have for the last 40 years, they'll actually have to compete for attention.

I don't even care anymore.

OP is a faggot. Trump will only start hitching interest rates back up after he's re-started the economy. If the economy grows to match the size of our debt, we can survive the return of interests to normal rates. Oh, but the first thing he WILL do is end quantitative easing.

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How dare you doubt the God-Emperor. He has Palantir, the combined forces of the Intelligence Agencies, Putin, and Chhhhina. He loves China. The Reichmark will return.

ever 10 years since the 1940's the US has had a recession its the way the economic model is set up. We are due for the next one in 2018 look for the crash then

If his hundred days plan even starts to come true, we are going to be able to march in the streets with nationalist banners unopposed. The military can secure the farmland, the farmland can keep EVERYONE fed. Secure key installations and offer protection to everyone who complies. If the establishment tries scorched earth, control defaults to the people with the food production and power. If no one tries anything, we will be well underway toward looking like Berlin after the National Socialist revival or Paris during the Petain government.

And yeah, the elites have to be invested in their communities again. You don't get to collect influence and power if you aren't drawing it from the goodwill of the volk you have helped along the way. The sort of globalist absentee elite which exist now will be disbanded.

It's as simple as the monomyth. Only the hero who accepts a call to understand the disorder of reality and returns can be master of the two worlds. This potential can be hereditary, but there is a cycle that must be fulfilled. When that cycle is broken, the elites become just as disordered as the rest of society.


His gameplan could be anything, it's all shaky. He said he wasn't going to force Yellen to resign, so I think he is going to tell her to just carry a plan of no raising rates or ending QE and "work around" the brokenness of the economy. Why try to band-aid what has to be replaced? Just as easily though, you can argue for using every band-aid on hand to survive to the replacement. Complete chaos until he hits the ground running, then we have to start calculating his vector.

wut

What part of "blow the hell out of ISIS" don't you understand? The day after Trump's President-elect announcement Putin called Trump to congratulate him. This is fucking huge!

Unless Trump is forced to put a chain around his neck for Israel, consider a lot of this Islamic extremism bullshit to die down greatly, especially the attacks on our soil. I know there is a major possibility that the 3 letter agencies are rogue but if Trump can wrangle them in something like 9/11 should never happen while he is in the white house.

Those are toads, not frogs.

We know the (((Federal Reserve))) is going to try to have Trump take the blame - not Obama. The federal reserve next convenes on monetary policy on the 14th-15th of December (FOCA). This is before the Electoral College vote is tabulated on the 19th so if the echo chamber convinces themselves before then that Hillary will get faithless electors then it won't happen then. Any effort they are putting into Obama's legacy will also be a factor in whether or not they raise interest rates before the 19th.

My gut tells me they won't or not by much. The following meeting is January 31st or February 1st.

(((They))) want to be the order out of the chaos. That is why they are still fighting and will continue to fight. The chaos is coming. The question will be: politically, what ideology will the people turn to?

If they don't stop nationalism, people will turn to it instead of globalism.

Their plan was to let the economy meltdown and then conveniently introduce IMFs (((global currency))) to save the day and have the entire planet enslaved by (((central banks))), Shillary would have introduced gun grabs and censorship also so resistance to NWO would be minimized. Now their plan is to crash the economy and blame it on Trump and Nationalism, the problem with that is that Trump could go full Hitler and nationalize banking in response, and if America, a nuclear superpower, decouples themselves from a parasitic international banking system it is game over for the kikes, there is no easy way to retaliate against a superpower like America and NWO is dead in the water permanently. It will be interesting to see what their move is now, they can risk full blown shoah if the overreach or miscalculate.

Nothing is going to stop the Jews and their useful idiots from doing everything in their power to get their world Communist dystopia more popularly known as the Jew World Order.

They will stage the mother of all false flags to make it happen if all else fails and yes I am referring to the false extraterrestrial threat scenario.

The Jews are "all in" for our racial/cultural destruction.

They've simply been working too long to let anything stop them.

A piece of shit like Donald Trump isn't going to thwart their plans and if he tries he'll just "have an accident" or be made an example of like JFK.

The important thing is to blame the coming crash on our enemies. One good turn deserves another.

there is no possible way to defeat such an insurgent enemy unless you kill all of their population ISIS will never go away

You are ignorant as fuck.

pick one you liberal fuckfaggot

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I think they're gonna keep it propped up until Trump is finally in office and then do one of two things.

1. They crash the economy with no survivors or;
2.They hand over the FED to Trump peacefully after they've already made their escape back to Israel.

I think they're going to do option 2 in order to escape being thrown in the public hangings with Hillary and co.

Every action has an opposite reaction. That's what they never learn, and by JFK'ing Trump a war will start. As for the ayylium angle, people would just flip the fuck out and scream for the nukes to come out.

This is going to be a huge part of the narrative. The Dems did very well controlling the narrative to blame all problems for eight years on W. Bush. The media won't provide this service for Trump – quite the opposite. We had better start the counter narrative.


It's a very generic economic pattern that capitalistic reforms hurt the economy for at least two years before market forces stabilize and things get better over the next decade. Milton Friedman complained about the political difficulty of establishing and maintaining capitalism in the face of this pattern. On the other had, going socialist and printing a bunch of money makes things look good for a while before it all crashes down.

Can we stop with the Obama Martial Law meme?

that doesnt make sense and you wont be killing a billion musliums in any universe tough guy

Just another chapter in Consumerism and the Myth of Progress. It's true, they've been putting off this crash for too long and it will only be worse for it when it does come. You'll never fix the market; rampant, trance-like consumerism is the only conceivable result of progress and the market as dictated by consumers; producerism is the only alternative.

Reminder that Soros has been investing in gold all year.

He also invested in Hillary.

wew, we got a real tough guy in here

Trump could nullify a lot of the damage if he delivers an address to the people and explicitly states that the economy is going to crash due interest rates being raised, the Fed withdrawing market liquidity, healthcare spending completely out of control, etc. None of these are his fault. He needs to nip this in the bud and start talking about this constantly.

GOLDBAG
Gee Bill, how come your holding the GOLDBAG?

-"Because my ship can never sink"

Is this real?

yes

I don't think so, actually

Ass implants?

how is this in any way related to the thread?

Well they will. Liberals don't think in logic, "ITS DIFFERENT THIS TIME"

I just hope this crash doesn't cripple Trump to basically not able to do anything he set out to do. A very real possibility, especially because he only has 4 years to prove himself.


Also this is fake. Here is the artist from where it comes from http:// www.alison-jackson.co.uk/mental-images/5fj9vvsfwlksdjptig08plvhni8nkx

Yeah there's a pillow there or some kind of pad or something.

Gold and silver are generational wealth.

Could someone explain this to an economically illiterate retard. Trump's plans seem mostly fucking fantastic, but they include a significant cut in taxes. I know enough that this is good for business growth and works in conjunction with fixing trade deals, foreign policy etc. but how does it work in the setting of this utter clusterfuck that's barely being held off? Does it need to be crashed hard before it can improve?

That was possible in a 90% white economy in 1970, not in a 64% white economy in 2016 with multiple global competitors.

yeah the crash should happen in july of next year

no president has ever survived this type of crash , they are all one term presidents

this is why people saw that both dems and repubs were fighting NOT to be in office.

how can you be sure about it?

they were? Why did they choose to apply for presidency in the first place?

1. He has no clue
2. Stupid question but also might be a stupid original statement

You have no idea.
Now German economy is tanking because of the refugee waves, and guess who's media blaming it on? "Rising nationalism and racism, that lower investor trust in the German companies".

I shit you not, they are not even trying, they are just pushing the dumbest possible narrative there is.

You just didn't try your hardest to make it work you filthy aryan goy.

you're not going to believe me but people are talking about it in think tanks in DC. You talk to people when you are in the area.

its a timing thing. the market is ready for a BIG down swing. the 2008 thing pushed it back a bit because of the "too big to fail" banks bs.

when the stock market tanks next year and people don't know why remember I said it would.

DOW 4000, let's send the kikes and all these blue chip rackets straight to Hell.

Bumping with chart porn.

Yuge crash coming our way. Trump actually warned us about the bubble before he was even the nominee. He is probably positioning to blame the Fed for keeping rates low too long and Obongo for crippling the economy with regulation and Obongocare. If anyone can sell this (the truth) to the public it's Trump. Should be fun times ahead.

There are lots of things could trigger the crash. Deutsche bank collapsing, France electing La Pen and leaving the EU, etc. I heard a theory that municipal bonds will collapse next year. We're literally on the precipice, just waiting for the snowflake that will cause the avalanche.

Currency.

lol accountants and idiots at work shilling a 401k

Simple blame it on the Federal Reserve. Blame it on the Big Bankers who the public already fucking hates because of 2008. I mean the faggots will get away they're to big but they can have their power seized from them in America.

There's only one measure by which I will hold the Trump presidency as a success: does Trump
End the fed
Maybe we have to wait for 2nd term, but if this doesn't happen we're all just slaves of the (((Bankers)))

How to prepare? Gold?

Food stores, happening tools/weapons, seeds, and books like these.

I have insider knowledge on this.

He is going to privatize fannie mae and freddie mac.

Short sell: Tech stocks, in particular facebook.

Short Term: Gold, use NUGT etfs.
Medium term trades: Gold, Airlines, Banks.
Long Term: T-bills at high yields.

Immediate danger: China has killed itself economically with stupid government policy of a managed peg. After trump was elected, a shitload of chinks started to move their assets into USD to avoid devaluation. This caused the Yuan to move lower, so the Chinese Politburo sold US treasury bonds (T-bills) and Gold to keep the peg in place. However high yields and lower gold price causes more chinese money to rush out of china in search of safety. This creates a cycle of doom which they are currently burning into.

This peg is set by a bureaucratic Monetary Policy Committee of the People's Bank of China. It historically moved to adjust itself to the USD. If he wants to put tariffs on china, he has to set them in accordance with the devaluation of their currency. So that impliues tariffs need to be about 40%. But this is unpalatable for china or the US.

Trump is the master of branding and deal making, he is going to solve the Chinese crisis by making a deal with them to devalue the USD in order to keep the Chinese peg at 7. It will be at 6.95 in a few hours, if not 7 by the end of the week. Maybe even the end of the day. Higher yuan prices and lower USD is good for everyone, without the more drastic measure of tariffs.

It doesn't matter though, chinese wages are way too high at this point. Everyone and their mother is out of there. The money is in Mexico, Bangladesh, Vietnam, Thailand and India.

wew

Personally I kind of hope the dollar lives since I have a decent IRA from a 401K when I worked in a meat packing plant.

one day he will eventually be right and then we'll go "Holla Forums is always right"

Hang yourself
NOW

It's how it works here spitball long enough you'll be right eventually. Also meme magic will make it true.

How the fuck is that going to work? They have hundreds of billions of dollars of toxic assets from the student loan bubble, and are only kept solvent by tax dollars and the federal government. Privatizing Fannie and Freddie is a death sentence, unless the "privatization" is just more deregulation without fully revoking their charter as a state sponsored enterprise, which is is exactly what caused the housing bubble, socialized losses and privatized gains in the banking sector with zero accountability. If Fannie or Freddie is fully privatized, they go into bankruptcy immediately. If they "privatize" and don't go under immediately that is a sign that the privatization was a ruse and we are totally fucked.

Kill yourself, Agenda 21 shill.

How much gasoline do you have to huff to think this way?

The American economy is so wrecked, and our infrastructure is so old, that we only survive by constantly shipping in crap from third world countries 24/7/365.

Once truckers and shippers quit getting their checks (or the money becomes worthless), the cities will EXPLODE. And the violence will extend out to the suburbs and beyond as people are desperately hunting for squirrels to eat. The only ones that will do OK are the people living WAY out in the country (anything within 50 miles of ANY populated town/city) and are mostly self sustainable. Densely populated Agricultural towns will be either destroyed by looting or taken by the Feds for extreme rationing.

Remove whoever is funding them, problem solved. Guess who is funding them and created them, who arms them to kill us every fucking day, then covers for them when they do?

You have no idea how much the US is infiltrated by them. The first battle was won, but the war is far from over.
Trump will have to do Kristallnacht×10, and that's only with the military. Nuclear weapons and the ones that operate them may as well be considered in enemy hands.
I will be extremely happy if the world comes out of this unscathed.

I still expect a crash when Trump gets in this January, especially if he goes full HAM with his first 100 day list. Right now I am seeing silver and gold do strange things. Both were up a about a dollar yesterday now down again and two days before that I thought they might drop 2 dollars. I am excited but wish I had gotten into stocks sooner.

t. poorfag with little capital to invest.

No you don't, after 2008 everyone with stocks or bonds is on borrowed time. You are better off with silver, bullets, and other happening supplies, and if Trump does a good job of delaying the happening or any shenanigans solid investments like real estate or any business schemes you can think of are the way to go.

Get out of the stocks and housing markets first of all.

Physical gold will keep it's buying power when everything around it is crashing, everyone should own a little. Bitcoin will also do well as the Chinese economy tanks, just don't keep it in an exchange. Both of these are outside the system, if anything gets locked down in the next panic money will be pour into them.

Yes and yes. Trump will do what Hitler did in the 1930's x's one thousand. By cutting out all of the gibemedats and other benefits he could focus all federal funds on fixing the government and military. And by lowering all the taxes to that extreme whites will be able to produce things again with no jew laws and jew IRS up everyone's ass. This also means the niggers and mexicans will starve to death and the old boomer faggots who got us into this position will be fucked too.

THE YOUNG WILL EAT THE OLD AND RIGHT THEIR WRONGS