On the 11th of December Romania has it's legislative elections.
Now before I explain the parties and policies or how the heck this shit works. You need to understand what happened here.
At the beginning of current years there was a fire that resulted in the death of 80 people because safety protocols weren't followed so naturally rather than the owner being blamed it's apparently the government's fault so we are gona protest till they resign and put in a progressive EU government made out of (((technocrats)))
So Romania had a colored revolution to get rid of the more nationalistic government that before shit hit the fan where working on building an anti migrant wall for Greece and Bulgaria and wanted no mudshits in the country.
But the technocrat government is full of retards. The economy has stagnated, the government is even more corrupt and related to foreign ties. And though the Romanian people signed a petition of 3 million to make it unconstitutional for faggot marriage(which our constitution means a referendum needs to happen) they have not allowed or even proposed the referendum to happen.
Now for the election it's self:
The parties that have a shot to get past the minimum 5% threshold are:
PSD(Socialists with a nationalist tinge and a possible EU skeptic line up) 40% projected PNL(Liberal EU puppets that should be hanged for treason, went so far to add the EU starts to their party symbol) 25-30% projected ALDE(Libertarian and Conservative parties made a coalition and will coalition with PSD, they are nothing more than a party people make a coalition with to win) 5-8% projected UDMR(Hungarian party that will coalition with PNL) 5% projected PMP(Populist party led by a corrupt hack that though has come out against the media and Soros I don't trust him) 5-7% projected PRU(Nationalist Party) 4-5% projected USR(Bernie Sanders Socialists with ties to Soros) 5-8% projected
Anyone got any questions about our politics I will try to answer.
Evan Lopez
I might sound like a defeatist but shit is fucked. I'm not even sure what to hope for this country. We weren't cucked by shitskins yet but our economy is shit, and our political systems is one of the most depressing things you can behold in this country.
First of all, nobody has any chance of having power in this country except PSD or PNL. Yes you heard that right, you can either choose between fucking SOCIALISTS or LIBERALS. Fuck my life tbh.
I want to believe but as it currently stands we don't even have a single based politician, let alone one that stands a chance in hell of getting anywhere. Even if he would, the parliament would fucking wreck him as getting a parliamentary majority is close to impossible, hence why PNL and PSD, the two greatest forces in this country had to make the USL alliance (which even disbanded in the meantime) to get any shit done.
If you think PSD is nationalist you need to kill yourself. PSD is literally communist-tier, you need to take a close look at their fucking logo and that's all you need to know. Also 'EU skeptic' is the last thing I would describe PSD with. It's all about "MUH SCHENGEN" and "OPEN BORDERS" and shit.
I want to believe lads but this country is fucked and has been since the jews took it over in 1947.
It's going to take a serious revolution to ever make romania great again, trust me, it used to be one hell of a country, possibly one of the most based countries in the history, look up many 19th century romanian writers and politicians, they all talk against jews and the works they have are amazing, all of them. That's exactly why the jews got to us.
I want to hope lads, but we're not getting out of this by sheer democracy alone.
Nicholas Smith
I hate most of the PSD politicians, but they aren't stupid. Ponta was quite skeptic and has spent the past year talking about Soros. And PSD will give us the anti faggot referendum because they want the rural vote. And our comies where nationalist, look at Ceausescu. Besides it's not like we have any other option. PNL is even more fucked economically and a bigger puppet.
At this point I know the bigger picture is screwed for now. But because of the Technocrat fuck up people are starting to dislike the EU.
I know right now we can't get PRM to rule the country and we can't bring back Vadim, or Ferdinand or Antonescu from the grave.
But we can start change. In 2015 AfD was nothing and now it kicked CDU's ass. Who is to say same shit can't happen here.
We don't even need to do that much. Imagine what will happen if PRU get's in the parliment?
It will be caterinca non stop. And all they need is 1 more % than the polls give them. I am sure us autists can muster enough meme magic for that.
Because if we don't start getting our act together. Klaus Iohanis will be Carol II in the 21st century and our country will be cut to pieces. And I don't think the Green shirts are ever coming back.
Anthony Howard
That's the problem, that's why I get depressed thinking about it, but when you get the choice between two shitty choices you have to make a third one, it's just that right now i don't know what would even be good for us
Not a chance in hell, no party except PSD or PNL can ever get picked because the media is in the pockets of the jews (literally, CNN owns one of the country's biggest channels for instance and everyone here has television so they're really easy to manipulate) plus any little parties usually get absorbed (think of the conservative party)
I could see that happening but I don't know, this country has a very large rural population that are insanely easy to manipulate, that's not the case with germany for instance where the AfD managed to gain so much ground. I'd like to believe though
Jeremiah Howard
It's the legislative election so nobody can get majority so it's not one or the other. Right now best option would be to merge all the Nationalist and Christian parties into one. Call it Partidul Nationalist Roman or something simple like that. We need a leader, even a comedic leader that is know like Becali could work, we just need somebody more known and with bravado.
The Romanian people are getting more and more tiered of the media like everywhere else. Plus remember man this is for parliament there is no hope in hell any party breaks the threshold to get the full parliament. So we can have our little party be a pain in the ass for a few years.
The rural population is on our side, we just need to start talking with them. Rural population is nationalist, much more so than the cities. All we need to do is disconnect them from the media by any way possible. And how the internet is spreading we have a real shot at this.
The reason PRM or PRU or any other nationalist party failed is because they never campaigned in the villages of Romania. They kept talking in the big cities where people can't be arsed about our nation.
If we start getting focused, and start acting I know we will start winning. Decades ago UKIP and Farage where a tiny party with no shot of even gaining a place in a town hall, now they sucker punched the EU, we can do the same thing.
Jackson Carter
It's the legislative election so nobody can get majority so it's not one or the other. Right now best option would be to merge all the Nationalist and Christian parties into one. Call it Partidul Nationalist Roman or something simple like that. We need a leader, even a comedic leader that is know like Becali could work, we just need somebody more known and with bravado.
The Romanian people are getting more and more tiered of the media like everywhere else. Plus remember man this is for parliament there is no hope in hell any party breaks the threshold to get the full parliament. So we can have our little party be a pain in the ass for a few years.
The rural population is on our side, we just need to start talking with them. Rural population is nationalist, much more so than the cities. All we need to do is disconnect them from the media by any way possible. And how the internet is spreading we have a real shot at this.
The reason PRM or PRU or any other nationalist party failed is because they never campaigned in the villages of Romania. They kept talking in the big cities where people can't be arsed about our nation.
If we start getting focused, and start acting I know we will start winning. Decades ago UKIP and Farage where a tiny party with no shot of even gaining a place in a town hall, now they sucker punched the EU, we can do the same thing.
Isaiah Evans
Fugging double post
James Rivera
PSD PASSED LAWS THAT MADE IT ILLEGAL TO ARGUE WITH FEMINISTS YOU DUMB PIECE OF SHIT! O fut pe mă-ta, comunist nenorocit. Stop shilling for them. They also introduced a law that brands anyone trying to live away from society an extremist to be put under surveillance. They are the ones that introduced the law that makes holocaust "denial" illegal, and other "hate speech" stuff.
PSD IS NOT IN THE LEAST BIT NATIONALIST. They are former communists and OP is a cock sucking cretin.
Andrew Sanchez
Marși în morții mă-tii de aici, postarule. Cine te plătește să șiluiești PSD? Spânzură-te căcatule.
Blake Watson
And PNL is better?
At the very least Ponta wanted to build a wall to keep migrants out, I am not even advocating for that you potato.
All I am saying is we need to meme either PRU or PRM in
Daca as fi platit nu as vorbi de PRU sau PRM. Invata sa citestii
Justin Myers
Doream doar sa multumesc OP pentru thread - inca il citesc dar mereu admir romani care fac thread-uri aici.
Doar nu il lasa sa devolueze in discutii despre tigani sau unguri.
Sage for off-topic. Will comment once caught up.
Zachary Baker
No migrants will ever actually stay here in Romania bre. Migrants are a non-issue for us. I don't know why you keep bringing up migrants. Nobody cares about migrants in Romania, except insofar as they've fucked the West. Are you even Romanian? If whoever is paying you wants to shill for communists, they should at least find a Romanian who knows what it's like on the ground here.
And of course PNL sucks. Because the entire political class in Romania sucks. They're incompetent buffoons. To single them out as EU-philes is again proof that you have no fucking clue what you're talking about. Euro-skepticism simply does not exist in this country in any significant way.
They are both jokes parties. People who vote for them do it to spoil the ballot. The fact that you think anyone actually takes these parties seriously again proves that you have no bloody clue what you're talking about. They are absolutely NOTHING like UKIP or AfD.
Jonathan Evans
Well after reading all this i realized that there is almost zero information coming from your country in the media. Any englsih news site you recommend?
Jackson Thompson
Vrei sa iti art pasaportul sau ceva?
PNL kicked out all their nationalist elements with the fiasco that was the Mayoral Elections, they are such Europhiles they stuck the EU starts on their party symbol you dumbass.
And look at their more prominent politicians: Klaus asking for tolerance for faggots, Ciolos being a faggot and so on and so forth. They are led by a woman, they couldn't be more of a meme.
So what we are gona give up and wait for a saviour to come down from the sky?
What other options do we have?
Not vote?
Vote for something even more irrelevant?
Voting for the Besina sau Tariceanu?
If we don't start doing something we are fucked. Not to mention nobody took UKIP seriously or AfD. For fucks sake UKIP was a meme up until Brexit.
Nathaniel Ross
It's formed out of former PSD faggots. Diaconu will suck your dick just to get your vote, it's not in any way nationalist. Just vote PMP to get it above the threshold.
John Adams
You keep saying that guy's a shill, but everything out of you is defeatist.
Go fuck yourself, how bout that?
Even if by increments, we should vote for the least shit party possible. The "mein Fuhrer will come one day" mentality is exactly what the fucking kikes want - to keep you home, jerking off and not doing anything IRL.
God, you're fucking disgusting, like every other defeatist, cynical cunt of a Romanian I know that gave up before the fight even started.
Pe bune, cred ca traditia noastra nationala a devenit sa ne dam batuti si imnul nostru ar trebui sa se numeasca "Ce conteaza, asta e"
Landon Perry
Few days early there were a chart which showed what nations support Trump or Hillary. Your country was the only (besdies Ukraine) which supported Hillary.
Dude, if your country fuck shit up again i swear to kek the hungarians will take back Erdély and dump the rest of your shithole into the Black Sea.
Man up you dumb fucks!
Jose Gutierrez
wew lad just search wikipedia for "(((" in the "notable hungaryans" list
Julian Williams
Problem is I don't trust Besina too much. He could at any point join up with PNL. If after this election he stays true I will vote for him.
If I was voting with my consciousness I would vote PRM, but they can't win shit now that Vadim is dead. Even though their current party leader is hilarious and fucking based.
I blame reddit.
Brody Murphy
I think most muricans don't know Soros is hungarian, kek.
Chase Kelly
Union with Bessarabia will wake up both populism and nationalist. We seriously need somebody who will fire up the enthusiasm and trigger the shitlibs to fuck off to western european pozholes.
Ian Martin
Then explain why your country let the rapefuges in and supported Hillary in majority, while the hungarians didn't?
Romania is fucked!
Connor Cruz
Do you need memetic support? Sadly all I know about Romania is Based Vlad of course and that the technical university of Cluj-Napoca has won first place in an international university competition I'm on a team for, for like five years straight.
Andrew Collins
We didn't let anyone in. They never came through here. The only reason we have 7000 of them is because our (((Technocrat))) government cucked out and didn't oppose any of it during the quota distribution. Hungary has more sand nigger refugees per capita than Sweden, by the way.
Parker Torres
I like his campagin, I like how he wants unification, has a plan for it and he is working for it. I like how he is pointing out the media being something that is ruining our country and naming one of the skypes. Plus he actually has the bravado to rile up people.
But what is to say he won't try to ass rape us like he did with the Boc government?
Noah Butler
Nice lie cuck. Now talk me about your Hillary support. And my sides, even you admit your goverment is a jew puppet!
Adrian Young
Him ass raping us again will radicalize the right, tunneling them to Noua Dreapta. It's our best bet, I won't trust for a fucking second PNL. PRU is a wild card, if they have a chance to get near the threshold while PMP is a sure call, I may vote for them just for the fresh rhethoric in the parliament.
((( ))) gas yourself bozgor
Connor Adams
After the colour revolution finish off you there will be an Ukraine 2.0 on you cucks. The clintons won't save your hide this time!
Ryder Ortiz
More Ukrainians speak russian than they speak ukrainian, you absolute moron. You don't know what you're talking about. There is no russian separatist movement here.
Isaac Clark
But there is a hungarian one :)
Nathaniel Morales
You gotta remember that in our country the names of parties are meaningless. It's not filled with people who follow a certain ideology, but with people who just have connections/friends in the party. Ponta was from PSD, and yet he cut down taxes and the TVA which is not something that Socialists usually advocate for. Now with our puppet president he just came out and said that they can't just repel 100 or so taxes, because it will ruin all the plans that the businesses had made at the beginning of the year(as if losing less money could ruin your plans and projections).
Justin Campbell
Yeah, and they get 5% in every election. I hope they chimp out just for us to purge them once and for all.
Samuel Carter
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Wyatt Myers
Please do that! Give the USA a reason to get rid of your Clinton-loving jewmutt asses! Please! Please!
Henry Hill
He claimed he will lower taxes because he is not in the government and because nobody wants more taxes. If he gets power he will everything he can to expand his Clinton Foundation tier corrupt empire. Fuck him and fuck everything his fossil party stands for. Ordinary romanians are already redpilled on the Soros question. Just start pounding the fact that he is jewish and that the ADL & co funds pozzed media outlets like mediafax and protv, and they will go full Capitanul.
Mason Long
Even if we indulge your deluded masturbatory dreams of Transylvania and ignore we're both in the EU, U.N. and NATO so a war between our countries is virtually impossible here you go:
Also anyone who wants to destroy our christian Orthodox values is a confirmed kike or good goy and must be dealt with. We all know parts of the church are corrupt but it's quite clear they don't want any homosex and are still nationalist.
Oliver Peterson
Why the fuck should I trust a socialist to lower my taxes? I want to gas the media, purge the bozgors and the gypsies and unite with Bessarabia. For now, union is possible only with PMP.
Jaxon Perry
Ok he cut TVA but who increased the packaging tax?
Adrian Evans
As I said the names of the parties are meaningless. Someone could make a party called The Libertarian Party and be filled with national socialists and someone could make a party called The National Socialist Party and be filled with pro-eu communists.
Isaiah Wright
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Samuel Walker
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Cameron Carter
Yeah I won't trust Ponta to unite with Bessarabia and not indulge in free shit for the gypsies either.
Zachary Butler
Fugg
Yup. Our coalitions will be:
The Socialist party together with the Conservative, Progressive Socialists and libertarians.
Against the Liberal party united with the Hungarian party.
Our politics are retarded.
Justin Lee
(almost 1488) Perfect environment for a populist, authoritarian figure to rise out of it.
Angel Reed
I will admit this does look a lot like the 1930's.
Klaus is just as dumb as Carol II to add to the coincidences.
Wyatt Campbell
Make Romania Great AGAIN
Logan Ross
PSD Soros tinfoilers, PRU and the monarchists can be converted to Noua Dreapta or some other movement that idolizes the Legion Klaus can go back to his Sibiu cuckshed and whine about the fucking shot bear
Robert Bailey
to add to this, I think we need to significantly upper out meme game the current youth movement is the bernout tier USR feminist/cuck tumour
Cameron Adams
up our*
Lincoln Lewis
We got a few days to go until the meme war starts.
If we get like 100 of us autists working together with about 10 sock puppet Jew book accounts and doing a bit of propaganda around our places we could meme any party of our choosing into the parliament. We just need to pick one.
Jack Clark
we need a discord chatroom is there one existing already or do I create one?
Nathaniel Myers
I don't recall one existing for us Legionary goys.
But we might as well start prepping ASAP since in 1 day the campaign starts.
Hudson Campbell
alright I've created one discord.gg/n3nvN
Brandon Young
I support this as well to a certain degree. The far right in Romania needs a place to safely coalesce and I tend to think most of us don't use kikebook.
Anthony Clark
Invite doesn't work.
Jack Robinson
Kikebook is not safe enough for actual dealings. Best case scenario we get our own site.
We should use kikebook for propaganda only.
Nolan Lopez
accidentally refreshed the invite link discord.gg/uSsAy
Bentley Stewart
from further fallen hath we risen; folk must dare to hope
Brody Carter
adevarat.
cel mai bine ar fi sa votam PRU ca sa incercam sa-I bagam in Parlament iar daca nu intra sa li se redistribuie voturile catre PSD macar sa obtinem faggot referendum.
la initiative lui Crin Antonescu, futu-i mortii in gat de tradator au criminalizat miscarea Legionare si astfel au desfiintat si Totul Pentru Tara. erau chiar de treaba oamenii de acolo, i-am cunoscut.
Isaiah Howard
I care about Romanian pop music and that's pretty much it.
t. American
Zachary Allen
discord.gg/uSsAy intrati aici goyim
Noah Thompson
congrats, you enjoy our nigger music
Angel Turner
expira in 7 minute
Luis Garcia
hadeti pula mea intrati discord.gg/tBPgT
Nicholas Gutierrez
Come on you legionary goyms.
We can't detonate the skypes if you don't join.
Anthony Reed
New discord: discord.gg/CADuV
William Parker
Come on faggots.
Anthony Howard
da-te-n sloboz cu Udrea ta.
Jason Bailey
how is this correlating with this?
Jacob Richardson
banuiesc ca PRU.
Benjamin Nguyen
E cea mai logica optiunee.
PRM este o meme si PMP este um pic nesigur. Dar vom face un straw poll ca sa decidem.
Brayden Robinson
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Brayden Ortiz
sunt aici stai linistit
Kevin Jenkins
There isn't. Some hungarians want autonomy at best. Most don't care, since we're getting along just fine with them.
David Collins
bump for interest though the conversation so far paints a depressing picture
Grayson Williams
You're nuts. Nu vreau nici o unire cu moldotonții de peste Prut.
Alexander Rogers
I sense someone with a long nose and cold hands.
Nathaniel Robinson
Are the Romanian youth as pozzed as in burgerland? A relative there in high school is pretty DUDE WEED LMAO and says most of his classmates are into harder stuff
William Kelly
Depends on the city.
Some cities are cuck central. Others are nice
David Nguyen
He's in Bucuresti, so they probably get the worst of it
Justin Moore
Nah Cluj is worse. Cluj and Timisoara are California levels
Logan Cook
why is that? at least you're not inundated with spics and shitskins yet :^)
Joseph Peterson
one word: gypsies
Adrian Price
Do they even go to school??
Kayden Ward
discord.gg/4zrHb
Intrati aici goyim, acum suntem 7 Facem o baza de useri 8pol si apoi trimitem aceasta delegatie sa se imprastie pe cuckpol
Jeremiah Peterson
Don't think so. Doesn't matter, they're scum either way.
Evan Sanchez
they're too retarded, more so than niggers
Ayden Evans
bump
Luis Sanders
Geman here, can I move to Romania? I will have an engineering degree in two years, and I don't mind living in rural areas as long as there are interwebs and postal service. I heard you can even guard the borders from rapefugees and that there still is a german minority.
Justin Perez
fix your own country Hans
Lincoln King
The Romanian president is an ethnic German cuck that called people that wanted to modify the constitution to say clearly marriage is between a male and a female, religious fanatics. But I guess you could move to a rural area (vid related, some guy from Germany went there and never returned to Germany) but don't expect too much anti immigrant and uncucked shit to happen, quite the opposite, the country will get more cucked due to european directives.
Aiden Smith
Isn't Romania filled with gypsies? Aren't they all leaving for western Europe? Just push them out even quicker to fix your demographics, then you'll be able to vote in the right.
Gabriel Thomas
nice try, bozgor hungary has more gypies per capita
Cooper Ortiz
They are leaving to west to steal and beg and then return and build big ugly houses, throw parties in the summer disturbing the whole fucking town and then leave again. At least that's a plus for being in the european union, getting rid of them for a few months.
Hudson Morris
And gypsies don't matter in elections. Gypsies are libertarians, lol.
Owen Watson
I'm probably 6,000 miles away from Romania, it would just seem to me that they'd be the type of minority to vote for socialism.
Ah, that's right, I have heard of their gypsy mansions. They're basically the Mexicans of Europe, the people you find if you need cheap labor.
Robert Davis
You sense wrong. The Unification would help US foreign interests (getting us directly involved with the Transnistria shit show, leading to a potential proxy war with Russia) more than it would help us, so it is (((you))) who has the dubious position here.
Henry Ramirez
Bucharest is degenerate as fuck. On par with any western European big city (1-2mil+ citizens).
Xavier Foster
GOOD JOKE! They don't fucking work!!! And why would they? In Romania they would be paid 10euro per day while in sweden or whatever they get triple from just standing with their hand open.
Logan Allen
Both Cluj and Timisoara are university cities, with a lot of young people. I disagree with the other romaniabro though. Bucharest is a lot worse. Neither are "California-tier". More like Berlin-lite tier. Few European cities are as degenerate as San Francisco. Maybe Amsterdam.
Grayson Evans
I don't know how, but it wasn't like that 5 years ago. I go monthly to Bucharest, and in the past 2 years, more and more degenerates appear on the streets. Tattoos, colored hair, piercings in college female youth and males giant faggots with skinny jeans and emo hair.
Kevin Taylor
Let me expand on the previous replies –
yes, you are more than welcome, provided you can put up with the disadvantages. The rural area infrastructure is very bad. There are corners of the country that are literally stuck in the Middle Ages. The roads are generally bad, and the drivers are actually even worse (one surprisingly good thing the politicians have proposed recently is to ban anyone without a high-school education from owning a driver's license). The trains are almost India tier. Urban areas are a lot better though. If you're an engineer you'll probably be forced to work in or near a big city anyway. The bureaucracy is an absolute nightmare.
Government aside, the average Romanian is a "mind your own damn business" conservative, somewhat similar to a combination of Midwest America and rural France: the average Romanian will be initially somewhat cold but very warm once you've broke the ice. Romanians are very blunt/rude and loud. People generally care more about where you're from than what you do. Family ties are very important.
The german minority is pathetically small (you'll have to seek them out), mostly disperesed among the rest of the population (so not really a community within which you'd be able to come and feel like "home") and outside architecture and a German language theatre in Timișoara, there's virtually no cultural trace left of them either. If I were you, I wouldn't factor that in when considering whether to come or not.
A lot of young people speak English, but they speak bad English, and people here will appreciate it quite a lot if you learn the language.
Justin Walker
It didn't start in the past 5 years. Bucharest has been filled with all sorts of human junk and junkies since the late 1990s.
Dominic Hughes
Good luck Romania. Hope you find another Căpitanul soon.
Cooper Ward
Godspeed from Spain
Carson Moore
Daca voi credeti ca PSD-ul este nationalist, sper sa va duceti in mortii vostri de comunisti tradatori.
PNL de asemenea este o marioneta a Uniunii Europene, un cacat cu foite de aur in el ca sa dea bine publicului, iar compatriotii ii inghit vorbele.
PNL-ul si PSD-ul sunt una si aceeasi moneda, amandoua au colaborat sa distruga viitorul tarii asteia. Nu exista rau mai mare, ambele au aceeasi fata de diavol.
Partidul Romania Unita, desi un vis frumos, nu are sanse sa ajunga la guvernare in viitorul apropiat. In opinia mea, sa zis si cu PRU atunci cand au decis sa il sustina pe tradatorul ala albanez mizerabil de Ponta.
Nu avem oameni la conducere, clasa politica este impanzita de bolsevici, de tradatori, de oameni corupti pana in cel mai mic neuron din ceafa.
Societatea romaneasca este in degradare constanta, tinerii de seama cu mine se inchina ca la idol la personalitati tampite precum Nicki Minaj si restul gastii de 'cantareti' ai elitei iudaice din america. Toaca droguri si propaganda dezgustatoare zilnic. Satele noastre arata deplorabil, iar viata la tara este parca iesita dintr-un tablou de epoca, doar ca de 1000 de ori mai sumbru. Respect pentru cultura nationala nu mai exista. In tara domneste cultura tiganeasca si imoralul.
Cu toate astea, inca sunt mandru de tara si de potentialul ei, chiar daca in fiecare zi astia imi dau lovituri in suflet si moral.
Jaxon Johnson
Transnistria was never a part of Romania, so it wouldn't be annexed. There's no reason to think Putin would start a proxy war with a nato country just because they moved the border a bit, so your analysis is plain retarded. (((You))) just don't seem to care about national unity, even if a proxy war were to start it's worth it.
Carter Allen
Trebuie sa incepem de undeva.
Daca burgerii si engelzoii au reusit, de-ce nu si noi?
Atuncii cand legionari au inceput ca partid Romania era mai rau ca republica Wimar,
Ai dreptate, una si alta, intr-o zi unul din noi va claca mintal si nu va mai suporta.
Eli Cruz
USR and Soros were smart about this. They saw the movements from europe like 5* or AFD and now cuck stupid hipster voters pretending to be anti-system.
Alexander Scott
That's Hungary.
Nah, they literally sold the Germans to Germany. Sent them over the iron curtain and got a sum of money after every single one. And they weren't too kind to them even before that. There are no Germans there any more, and now the Romanians like to send their children to high schools that once belonged to the Germans, because they are rather prestigious. Of course they now feel sorry for them and like Germans very much, but only because they displaced them. It's a lot more sinister than what Israel did to the local Arabs. At least they admit their hatred.
Noah Foster
On a more positive note, you think Trump will lift the visas? Obama did not even bother to meet the president.
Jace Rivera
And wasn't there some thing saying that all members of european union must have same VISA rights?
Cooper Ross
Wtf are you talking about you filthy fucking hungarian kike. The germans emigrated to germany after the collapse of communism on theyr own will. Romanians don't hate and never hated germans, only lying subversive, kike-like hungarians like yourself.
So? it was a priviledge to leave a communist country for a democratic one. They were not forced to leave, a lot of them stayed after all. It says so in the article you quoted you subversive dumbfuck.
>The last non-communist government of Romania, headed by Prime Minister Nicolae Rădescu, declared itself "completely surprised" by the order that Romania's Soviet occupiers issued on January 6, 1945. >An article in the newspaper Allgemeine Deutsche Zeitung für Rumänien, published on January 13, 1995, revealed that the Romanian government was not in fact "completely surprised" by the deportation order. In fact, even before receiving the order, the government had ordered that lists of men and women capable of performing hard labour be drawn up. Weeks in advance, the state railway, Căile Ferate Române, had begun to prepare cattle wagons to transport the deportees. Documents uncovered after 1989 show that the deportations were planned in detail: as early as December 19, 1944, the prime minister's office transmitted orders by telephone to police inspectors for the purpose of registering the work-capable German population, to comply with the Soviet Order 7161 issued 3 days earlier.
Carter Robinson
Yes, so the deportations were done on soviet command. You can blame the russians at most, but even then they were just deported due to harsh war conditions, not killed, so it's not worse than what the jews are doing to the palestinians.
Gabriel Allen
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Colton Gomez
So the non-communist government was preparing to implement the soviet orders? Romania was allied with germany before communism so it makes no sense for them to plan the deportaion of the german people. The article makes no sense.
Juan Martin
You dropped the alliance and attacked Germany the moment you realized the USSR has a better chance of winning.
Anthony Jenkins
Traiesc in Canada de mai bine de jumatate din viata. Am venit aici la 12 ani. La anul planuiesc serios sa ma intorc acasa. Mi se pare ca tara are nevoie de copiii ei si sper ca poate o sa reusesc sa fac si eu ceva sa ajut. Desi, sincer sa fiu, sunt complet detasat de ce s-a mai intamplat pe acolo. Am sufletul greu ca am fost plecat atata timp, iar tara asta (Canada) se pare ca nu pre are mari sanse sa iasa din cacat pre curand. Singurul lucru de care o sa imi para rau cu adevarat este ca trebuie sa imi las armele de foc aici. Ce opinii aveti despre planul meu stupid?
Robert Sullivan
You're a historically illiterate idiot. He's actually right about that. Ceaușescu got money concessions for every single German that emigrated into West Germany.
Jason Lee
Yes, but the government was replaced and Antonescu was killed. So it only makes sense that it was the communist government that implemented the order. And just because the order wasn't given that doesn't mean they didn't know about it and make preparations. What you are implying is that Romania, that didn't deport german before or after comunism suddently decided to deport germans just a couple of weeks before a sovie order to do so, and only started actually deporting when the soviet order came, complete coincidence. Also the writer doesn't specify how he/she knows that the preparations were made for deportation or for something else, like transporting other cargo. Also, Romania had no reason to deport germans, unlike hungarians and jews they were not hated and were not problematic. If Romania really wanted to deport someone it would of been hungarians first. And even if your incredibly flimsy accusations were true, deportation isn't genocide. But i wish we had genocided your kike-like race of turanic, subversive, lying scum(hungarians).
Nolan Morgan
Good, i never sayed he didn't, but that's not something to be ashamed of.
Evan Jenkins
Ok, I take back calling you an idiot then.
Blake Hughes
Fi gata de un culture shock.
Si am auzit de lucrurii mai stupide care au iesit cu bine.
Asher Smith
Pentru voi goy's legionarii: un group de discord undem ii vom gaza pe jidanii discord.gg/7kBZu
Dominic Gutierrez
Aăh… din punct de vedere material, o să-ți fie mul mai greu aici decât în Canada. Și nu doar din cauza economiei, ci și din cauza culturii. În rest, it's up to you man. Ești bine (re)venit. E nevoie de un aflux de Români și alți Europeni în România. Se inmulțesc prea rapid țiganii și elementele murdare din societatea românească. Adică, mulți români sunt țigani.
Să alegi între Canada și România revine la a alege între răul mai mic. Mulți zic pe 'ceaun' că vai ce bazată e România și una și alta, dar din multe puncte de vedere populația de aici a absorbit extrem de rapid elementele josnice din cultura vest-europeană și americană.
I'm sure you'd cheer on Hungary if they weren't any Hungarians there either. You are indeed worse than jews.
Evan Baker
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Daniel Flores
I don't give half a shit about the germans they gave the bozgors half of transylvania, fuck them and fuck you I care about my country and people, period
Isaac Clark
so? that was good already explained why ths is wrong the germans who wanted to leave could do so, they weren't forced. It was a privilege that we allowed them to leave a communist country not an act of hatred no, the germans left for germany beacause romania is poor and germany is much more wealthy. Also, they'r germans so it makes sense that they would want to be live in theyr own country we don't have anything against them, the president is of german ethnicity after all (and yes, he was born in Romania) If hungarians didn't act like kikes yes, I would be friendly to our neighbours. i'm not the one living in someone else's country trying to subvert it from within. That's what hungarians do.
Jordan Gomez
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Cooper Ramirez
why should I care about the germans, again? they're a bunch of cucks now, anyway
Christopher White
A government and a people are different things.
Connor Allen
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Kevin Jackson
They are not dead. They just went back to their homeland. Too bad that homeland won't last for long.
Alexander Jenkins
The only thing that i know about Romania is George Zhamfhir, so yeah good luck.
Christian Cooper
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Jose Rodriguez
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Jacob James
why do Magyars and Romanians hate each other again? I've never been able to
Hudson Richardson
*figure that out
Wyatt Allen
Imagine if the Korean/Japan hate went back a milenia.
Imagine there was never a moment of peace.
Ayden Bailey
Except the romanians weren't a minority in transilvanya but were treated as one. But that's in the past, why most romanians hate hungarians is because the ones living in romania are subversive kikes that don't want to assimilate and hate romanians. the hungarian minority is a parasitic body in romania, and should be exterminated. there is no such thing as a german genocide in transilvania, do you ave a single fact to back that up? Poeple moving away of their free will is not genocide
Josiah Clark
They migrated to our lands and stole them with the help of the French. Imagine the UN giving the whole South of the USA (including Texas) to Mexico. Not to mention that in the last two centuries they slaughtered Hungarians time and again.
Henry Martinez
PSD is basically a Socialist cesspit of corruption. PNL and ALDE are EU funded puppets. UDRM are Hungarian separatists that are still salty after Trianon. I don't even know what PMP do besides putting up posters. PRU are a watered-down for of nationalism. USR are utter shit. Bernie's wet dream.
The good parties are Noua Drapta (New Right) and Noua Republica (New Republic), both whom incorporated ethnonationalist elements from the Iron Guard. They both have about 1% seats at best.
Bentley Nelson
Long story. Basically, they are still salty after the Treaty of Trianon.
post ww1 borders were established based on ethnicity, and romanians were the majority in transilvanya. Also, the magyars were a turkick tribe that assimilated the mostly slavic population in the carpatian basin to their culture.
An Orthodox bishopry existed in Transylvania before the Magyar migration and was destroyed by them
Roman ocupation of Transylvania lasted till the 3rd century and there are plenty of byzantine attestations.
Sure thing bozgor
There are small groups related to the Greeks in Anatolia
They where under longer rule than Iberia, yet they are apparently Roman descendants no problem.
Kayden Bell
There was a coup. We never turned the guns against Germany, only after our leader Ion Antonescu was captured and executed.
They only fucking reason we even went into war was to stop the USSR. Apart from that, we had nothing to gain.
Brandon Bailey
Yeah, after centuries of avoiding warfare, pouring into our lands and breeding like rats you became the majority in parts of Transylvania. Székelyföld is still 90% Székely even today. I do admit that you weren't given collective rights and the language of administration of the Kingdom of Hungary was Hungarian only. But it was the 19th century. Ireland stopped speaking Irish under the English rule. Nothing similar happened to you.
Nah, those are you. You lie just like them. You also didn't want to assimilate back then and hated us for no reason. Transylvania has a better economy than the rest of Romania. I'm sure the higher IQ has to do something with it. If anything, you should get out of Transylvania. Go back to your homeland.
MY FUCKING SIDES! Not in all of it. We are an Ugric tribe, and we also assimilated many Germans over the centuries.
Grayson Ward
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Parker Fisher
how about not giving us equal rights and not just the administrative language wich is essential, but also suppresing our religion, so basically trying to destroy our culture. And hungarian is a foreign turanic culture, not even european, so of cours we don't want to learn your ugly steppe language. But the part of transylvania with the most hungarians is the poorest. And you could attribute the stronger economy in the rest of the region to stronger institutions from the habsburg rule. this is ust hungarian propaganda necessary to justify your existance. hungarian isn't even an european culture it's originally turanic so how can you say you were first here when we speak a latin language?
Benjamin Ortiz
And how did you get those words if you were living in Transylvania all this time, far away from Albania. I'm sure they aren't older than the Albanian words though. And then we took up Catholicism. So if you were in Transylvania all this time, then you should be Catholic too. And? You honestly believe that they survived 600 years unmolested? First Germanic tribes went there, then it was part of the Hun Empire, then the Avars conquered it, and then we came. Do you honestly believe that any Romans were living in the area after all these things happened? Yes, because Greeks have been living there. So if you have small groups through the Balkans, far away from Transylvania, then you either had to migrate out of Transylvania, or migrate to Transylvania. They are next to Italy, Romans conquered that area quite early. Also, it's first and foremost about how you migrated to Transylvania over the centuries, then came up with this retarded idea about you being there from the very beginning of the universe.
Charles Hernandez
This comment alone shows how stupid you are. Why? maybe some people don't like to be cucked by a pope and practice a dumbed down version of christianity.
Dominic Smith
Yes, and? German was the language of Budapest until the last third of the 19th century. We assimilated most of them, and commies deported the rest.
Again, look what was going on in the rest of Europe, especially in France and Ireland. You got it incredibly easy if we consider the era. Even in the USA they didn't give a damn about minorities and just used English as the administrative language. Let me tell you two other non-European cultures: Finnish and Japanese. Come on, talk shit about them, I dare you.
Justin Richardson
60% of our vocabulary is Latin. 30% is Slavic, and 10% accounts for Daco-Thracian, German, Hungarian and Greek. Albanian words aren't even 1%.
Ever heard of migration? Of cultural assimilation? When the Bulgarians had their empires, most of Romania was part of that empire. That's when we got our slavic words, and that's the point in our history when we stopped seeing ourselves as Romans, but as something new, called Vlachs (word of german etymology).
The Catholic missionaries never passed the Carpathian arc. The Byzantine ones, however, had to pass through southern Romanian and Moldavia to get to the Kievian Rus.
Because the term "Romanian" did not exist back then. It was only adopted in the 17th century.
Yet somehow, here we are. Did we just pop into existence and decided to live in Romania and speak a Romance language?
Because your armchiar historian experience can be used to testify with uttermost integrity on the ethnogenesis of the Romanian people.
Kindly, fuck off.
Isaac Scott
it is our job to bring them to faith that is why LOCAL politics is the theatre in which we must act its simple: keep it so. join the best party or start your own if they're all bad. protesting on the street is a dead end road. remaining internet focused is playing into the (((globalists))) hands. don't be a dafte - support your LOCAL - first and formost. suit up. grab some flowers, and start doorknocking. leave the autiste wonders behind - they are as useless to these humble, normenfolk as global meta-politics. keep it simple; keep it local. put your autism into use by researching electoral demographics - and LOCAL ISSUES.
okay thankyou
Austin Perry
Trade, magic, fuck if I know
And you are a great language expert
Are you retarded on purpuse?
Do you honestly believe Hungary survive 600 years of Hungarian and Habsburg occupation, Do you honestly believe that any Magyars were living in the area after all these things happened?
Or maybe, just maybe when Balkan populations that had similar cultures went under the Romanization process they created similar Romanticized cultures.
And Transylvania was next to the Byzantines and next to the Romans for a long time.
Cameron Reed
Meant Ottoman and Habsburg.
Xavier Gonzalez
And like I said, that's in the past and not the reason most romanians hate hungarians. But even so, at least english and french are indo-european languages so it's leass repulsive to adopt those than hungarian.
Dominic Roberts
Didn't mean to greentext the last bit.
Jackson Bailey
Why are Europeans arguing with each other when the barbarian are at the gates
please stop
Ryan Rogers
Because the Europeans with barbarians at the gates are asking for them, for us they are nothing but a meme.
Ethan Sanchez
Because the Balkans have the highest concentration of salt mines in the entire Europe.
Isaac Myers
Yet they are there, and they shouldn't be there if you had no contact with Albania. Kek. Yes, you migrated to Transylvania.
Vlach means outsider. Wales has the same etymology. Besides, you didn't even have one country, not to mention one identity. No, you slowly migrated here under the centuries.
You know, our existence during that time period is proven by quite a lot of writings. Also, we had a state during all that time, and a nobility hell-bent on survival. You at best had some goatherders who were enslaved by different people as time went on.
Yes, (((user))), it's the Europeans asking to be exterminated. It's not like it's kike propaganda and brainwashing for the past century or so. No, no, it's just Europeans deciding they should go extinct. Gas yourself.
Isaac White
land disputes cause the biggest shitposting wars ever
Evan Bennett
So what you be saying Janos is that you wuz not ottomans cause you wrote some fan fiction.
You serious nigga?
Leo Cruz
Their fault for falling for it.
Ryder Peterson
Because this traitor fucks smugled muslims last year, we have fucking police reports about that shit! Their majority supported Clinton!
And fucking hell, even the romanian pol users admit that their right wing has no fucking chance! They will be leftist cuck and thiefs!
Aiden King
100% adevarat solutia este sa nu ne pierdem sanatatea mintala. nu ma mai cert cu pulimea iubitoare de house, blugi stramti, ciori si popi. e contraproductiv. m-am invatat sa recunosc o cioara albinoasa de la 100 metri. dupa cum vorbesc, subiectele care-i intereseaza sau subiectele care nu-i intereseaza. am invatat sa ma infiltrez. sa-i fac sa creada tot felul de ineptii dupa ce le-am castigat increderea. parerea mea e ca la un moment dat se vor autodistruge.
Dominic Perez
Look at this map.
Julian Jones
this meme again, when all else fails just say you were first, even though the original magyars were a turkick tribe that settled in Europe in the 9th century and assimilated part of the indigenous population (slavs and romanians). You were taught lies in school in order to give you a sense of national pride and justify the eistance of a foreign asiatic language in europe.
Liam Mitchell
I've told you this numerous times, but attempting to genocide eachother is a sign of love among the nations of the Balkans. The closest anyone's ever gotten to winning the Genocide Game was Serbia taking out Bosnia a few years back, but the burgers ruined that one.
Oliver Hall
This is what we are taught in school, so I don't understand your problem. No, you weren't in the Carpathian Basin before the 12th century.
Hudson Sanders
Look at this one.
Aiden Roberts
This is what we are taught in school, so I don't understand your problem. The magyars were described as being short, corpulent and with narrow eyes and balck hair. They were asiatic, and from all the porn i've watched hungarians don't look like that. Then who were the indigenous people before the magyars arrived? And there are writings of latins living north of the danube before the hungarians settled.
Hunter Martin
Ancient Albania was inhabited by Illyrians, who were closely related to Dacians. Dacians in turn were a balkanic people, culturally and genetically if not geographically.
Alexander Murphy
Well, i hate to admit, but if i must choose between a stinking muslim or a romanian, i would be more happy with a romanian guarding my back.
And for fuck shake, rise the right idiots! Do you want to be like the smelling spanish?
After a millenium of intermarrying we do look quite differently, that is true. Genghis Khan was described as having a red beard, while the average Mongolian doesn't have that. Yet he still has a good chance at being a direct descendant of Genghis. Nomad genetics are fun.
Mostly Slavs and Avars it seems. From a chronicle written centuries after that.
So Albanians are actually Illyrians? Therefore Romania is then the extension of Albania, or what? No, it's more likely that you migrated from an area next to Albania to your current position.
Jackson Anderson
user…
Angel White
You wish you had sons of Decebal guarding your back. :^)
Brandon Green
Not a Romanian, m8. I'm the slav that Italy can't ever let go.
Current Albanians are half turk niggers whose only talent is stealing kidneys.
Robert Ross
And Romanians are spineless animals stealing lands and making up history. There must be a connection between them.
Elijah Hernandez
Still no real reason as to why we should belive Hungary has any relations to Magyars.
Kayden Bennett
Romanians are extremely collectivist. Oriental tier collectivist. There is no "I" in Romania. There is only "we".
Landon Richardson
You're putting words in my mouth mongol. The Illyrian language, which is believed to be the primary stratum of modern Albanian, was closely related to the Thracian language spoken by Dacians.
Luke Lee
It's ethnic cleansing. The Germans were ethnically cleansed from Romania during the 20th century. This is a historical fact. You are the stereotypical tribalist cretin. You also probably believe that we're descended from Dacians, and that Dacians are the originators of all civilisation. No wonder you fuckers support a communist party and call it nationalist.
Spânzură-te!
Ethan Wright
Dacians aren't the originators of all civilization, but they undoubtedly are the primary element in the modern Romanian ethnos.
Jace Ramirez
I'm pretty sure that they're a mix of magyars and whoeverthefuck was on the land before the magyars came.
Cooper Thompson
Oh how convenient, and how do you know it's not romanians, who even after centuries of persecution were the majority at the end of ww1? Let me gues "romanians just had more kids than us ", even though everyone had a lot of kids in those times and there is no reason to belive romanians had a faster population growth. You just make things up to favor your view on history, typical hungarian propaganda, used to compensate the fact that you speak a turkick language. Wow, the fact that you actually think chincks were your ancestors is disgusting, the cognitive dissonance must be the reason hungarians are so mad all the time.
Jonathan King
All Indo-European languages are steppe languages, because Aryans were warrior nomads living in the Pontic steppes. Împușcă-te prietene. Mi se face scârbă de cât de tempel și incult ești.
Charles Price
Prostii. Propagandă ceaușistă pe care o înghiți ca un căcat ignorant.
Gavin Diaz
the germans were not genocided. yes the german population is much smaller, bu that's because they left of their own will. Who performed the ethnic clensing, themselves? If you have any evidence for a german genocide post it.
Evan Campbell
Why do Hungarians always start shit in Romania related thread? This isn't cuckchan. Go there if you wan't le ebin country bantz
Kayden Peterson
Sunt de acord. Suntem toti tigani care trebuie deportati in India.
Jason Wilson
You weren't the majority in any major city of Transylvania. And during the Ottoman times Transylvania was attacked quite a few times, and that resulted mostly in a loss of Hungarians and Germans. Then it's simple mathematics: if all populations have the same rate of growth, but one of them is bigger, then the gap between them will grow as time goes on. Did you know that the Basarab family is Cuman? So you were ruled by the same kind of Eurasian nomads.
Gabriel Perez
Ai auzit cumva de revizia din secolul 19?
40% of that 60% are 19th century loanwords from French.
Nu. Tu în particular, la ce prostii scoți pe gură, probabil că ești vreun țigan care și-a uitat rădăcinile. Eu unul sunt român.
Dominic Taylor
Cuckchan /int/ mentality. I wish KC would also be free of this countryballing garbage.
Carson Brooks
you know what i mean, hungarian is a turkick language not indo-european. Also, i never heard indo-european being called a steppe language just because it "originated in the pontic steppes". Arata-mi tu unde limbile indo-europene sunt definite ca limbi de stepa, nici nu exista asa ceva.
Jayden Smith
rak
Jackson Murphy
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Michael Butler
Bre. Nu mai vorbii tâmpenii. Las-o moartă cu ungurii, că nu ei sunt inamicii românilor. Ești un autist tembel. Și maghiara nu e limbă turcească. E din ramura fino-ugrică. Nu ești nici pe aproape de adevăr. Nu doar că îți irosești timpul antagonizând pe cine nu trebuie, dar scrii și niște tâmpenii ordinare.
Ia o pauză.
Jeremiah Phillips
No, our language is related to one of the greatest peoples' of Earth.
Samuel Hill
But it isn't; it's an Uralic one, related to Finnish, Estonian and whatnot.
Jackson Bailey
Bozgors.
Luke Hughes
I hear that shitskins are the majority in most major western euro cities. Could they be the natives? I mean, it's not like rural areas is where the roots of a country are most clearly seen.
Sebastian Hernandez
I need an /int/ in my life, and it ain't going to be Ylis.
Connor Perez
yli is meant for only the finest shitposters of the internets, no serious discussion
Nathan Nelson
Yes, bu we didn't get assimilated by the turks, we assimilated them. So? Irrelevant, we were the majority averall, and the fact that we were the majority in the countryside just goes to prove our continuity in transylvania. Just because more hungarians died doesn't mean romanians took over their land. Some other relative would inherit it. It's not like hungarian families were massacred to the last member. Also, the war losses were distributed over the empire, so you'r exagerating this to fit your view of history. And romanians joind the army too,
Dominic Morris
"Individualism" is pretty much the cuck mentality that is plaguing Europe. Nationalism is considered collectivist
Luke Turner
Oh, that reminds me: there are no mountains or rivers in Transylvania with Romanian names. All of them have either Slav or Hungarian roots. And you can't blame us for this, we took up the Slav geographical names. A good example is the name of Lake Balaton. So, if you have been there all this time, then why do you use Slav and Hungarian names for mountains and rivers?
Ryder Torres
You do realize that, in the end, all the European languages are related? They all stemmed from the same language called Proto Indo-European(PIE).
Also, I do not understand your obsession with Albania. Most of the Balkan languages have Albanian loanwords, since we lived in close proximity.
Indeed, we didn't have a single unified country until the 19th century. Neither did Slovakia, Belarus, Finland, Ireland, etc.
Where did we migrate from? Also, do you have any evidence to support this theory? Do you have a theory that could support the migration premises and the 60% Latin vocabulary?
If you can prove your claims, I will gladly concede the argument in your favor.
atunci cine? daca vezi ca ungurii iti jignesc tara si vor independeta si ii aperi pe ei esti o carpa. ce importanta are? nu e o limba indo-europeana
Joshua Miller
Ylis on suomalainen reddit. Tykkää-painike ja epäironiset kulta-vitun-tilit.
In case you're not a Finn: it's shit.
Jaxon White
Din nou, EȘTI UN CRETIN. Românii nu și-au spus niciodată "vlahi". Niciodată. Termenul e un exonim.
Aiureli. Termenul există din secolul 5 e.n. Era folosit de tot imperiul Bizantin. Care de fapt nu se numea Bizantin de loc, ci Roman. "Bizantin" fiind, ca "vlah" un exonim dat mult mai tăziu de un Englez teritoriilor respective. Secole mai tâziu.
Tot teritoriul de la sud de Dunăre se numea "Romania". Până în secolul 19, Grecia încă își mai zicea "Romania". Toți cetățenii "bizantini" se auto-denumeau "romani". De unde și termenul de "român".
Nu ai treabă cu istoria prietene.
Daniel Lewis
Mt. Mare, Mt Rosu, Mt Morii toti bozgorii
Caleb Williams
Nici eu nu ii iubesc be Unguri, dar nu ei sunt adevaratii inamici. Termina cu D&C.
Hudson Jackson
Bozgorul cu care vorbești spune multe lucruri care sunt mult mai puțin eronate decât cele pe care le arunci tu în stânga și în dreapta. Nu jicnește pe nimeni. Doar te face pe tine de râs, că habar nu ai ce vorbești.
Sage că s-a ales praful de threadul ăsta cu tipica prostie D&C.
Zachary Clark
lies A lot have Slavic names, but few to none have bozgor ones
Jonathan Gomez
It looks like I'm breaking the conditioning here. It's okay to assimilate Eurasian nomads, but being a descendant of Eurasian nomads is disgusting? Barely. No, it shows how spineless you are. You don't get it, do you? Ottomans sent Tatars to literally slaughter anybody they met. Whole villages literally disappeared, their population slaughtered to the last child. No, it was standard practice for an army to sack the countryside and kill parts of the population in the process. And the Ottomans went through Hungarian areas mostly. Then it created a gap in the population, and Romanians became the majority after a few centuries. But even then it wasn't that much of a majority.
Jayden Campbell
Intradevar.
Oricat de multa ura exista intre Romani si Unguri, putem fi de acord ca musulmanii reprezinta un pericol mult mai mare pentru existenta ambelor popare.
Hudson Ortiz
And? It's not like Russian has random Irish words in it just because they are both Indo-European. It shows that you migrated from next to Albania. From next to Albania. That's why you have Albanian loanwords and why you are Orthodox.
Also, from your own link: A Daco-Thracian (or Thraco-Dacian) grouping with Dacian was widely held until the 1950s, but is untenable (according to J. P. Mallory) in light of toponymic evidence: only a percent of place names north of the Danube betray "pan-Thracian" roots
Dominic Wood
Atunci cine sunt adevaratii dusmani? Bineinteles ca cele mai multe probleme vin din partea noastra da asta nu inseamna ca trebuie sa-i ignoram pe unguri, sa-i lasam sa-si bata joc.
Spune ca romanii au venit in carpati dupa unguri si ca ar trebui sa le multumim pentru cate drepturi ne-au dat in trecut. Plus spune ca suntem mai rai ca evreii. mars de-aici de tradator. Preferi sa pupi in cur ungurii decat sa ii superi.
Noah Wright
lurk moar faggit or go back to cuckchan
Ryder Martin
It's just a handfull of rulling families. i never said that romanians were pure 100% latins or dacians or whatever, but no one is. not an argument Oh, and were the tatars told to leave romanian villages alone? I doubt it. So this doesn't say anything. Yah, if hungarian historians say so then it must be true. They wouldn't just make that up for nationalist propaganda.
Justin Morgan
Neither the Hungarians nor the Romanians were first in Transylvania. It was Gothic germanic tribes, who displaced the autochthonous population during the Great Migrations (the same migrations which contributed to the fall of the western Roman Empire). Romanian language was indeed formed south of the Danube, but north of Greece, in the latin speaking northern half of Romania (i.e. the "Byzantine" empire). Most archeological, toponymic, and historical evidence points to this. Romanians (=byzantines) from Romania started to migrate north after Cuman and Bulgar invasions into northern Romania (=Byzantine empire, specifically Thracia and Illirya).
Anthony Morgan
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Romania Sunt doar 3000 si ceva de evrei in romania. E adevarat ca sunt mai rai ca ungurii da asta nu inseamna ca trebuie sa fim lasi si sa ii ii lasam pe unguri sa-si bata joc.
Jason Campbell
No, they went through the valleys instead of climbing mountains. You know, they wanted to wreak havoc quickly and efficiently and then disappear if a stronger enemy force came. It's hard to do that if you have to hop from mountain to mountain. So, will you admit that you are brainwashed by your nationalist propaganda?
James Reed
And in case you didn't get it, I'm talking about the formation of the first Bulgarian Empire, in the 11th century. Romanian "ethnogenesis" occurred in present day Serbia and Bulgaria.
Current Romanians are descended from Goths, Cumans, Slavs, and "Byzantines". This is reflected in genetic studies and corroborates with the migratory hypothesis. Hungarians started to migrate into Transylvania almost simultaneously with Romanian migrations from south of the Danube.
The Daco-Roman continuity theory is nothing but ahistorical propaganda. There are no verifiably dacian words in the Romanian lexicon. Just ones assumed to be because no one really understand their etymology.
Jason Cooper
Look:
I've just wrote down some facts and immediately you called all Hungarians kikes. You are the one mocking us, you fucking rat.
Aiden Cook
your whole country claims to be the descendents of eurasian nomads, so i don't know what you mean to say by this. And yes, it's just a handfull of families. your whole argument for hungarians being first in transylvania is that the tatars killed more hungarians some hundread years ago. That does not proove anything even if it were true, and the very notion that a people speaking a steppe language lived here before a latin speaking people is absurd and only hungarians belive this. But even if hungarians were first in the carpathian basin you should still be exterminated/displaced, because there is no place in europe for an asiatic culture. Europe for europeans, Asia for hungarians.
Tyler Miller
Vezi
By all available evidence, both hungarians and romanians started to migrate into Transylvania sometime around year 1000. This is reflected in toponyms (traditional names for rivers, for example). All romanian toponyms are found south of the Danube.
Nu mai regurgita propagandă ceaușistă. Ipoteza de continuitate a rpmânilor pe teritoriul României din timpuri dacice pur și simplu nu ține apă.
Ian Roberts
In that comment you reffered to romanians as they, and spewed some anti romanian nonsense,you are mocking your own nation, and you call me a rat?.
Parker Ross
Again, you find this to be disgusting, yet you have no problems with being ruled by "disgusting chinks". Do you honestly can't see the problem here?
No, that is my argument why we stopped being the majority. And that was but one example. Nomad incursions to the area were not uncommon, and if they just killed 1% of the Hungarian population every time, then that already had a great impact over centuries.
Carter Jenkins
yeah, no. countless folk traditions and huge swath of our language are dacian.
stay salty.
Gavin Cooper
nu mai regurgita zoe petre si boia, zdreanta jidanita.
Easton Hughes
Individualism is good. It's why western Europeans conquered 90% of the planet. The aryans invaders were themselves individualists. Western Europe's problem is not individualism, but excessive altruism. The "white man's burden" mentality. The "concerned mother who has to take care of everyone" mentality. Not individualism. Caring about yourself as an individual and putting worth in your own identity is what has been pushing so many of them to succeed on an individual basis.
The ancient Myceneans who spawned the great classical Greek culture were individualists. Achilles, in Homer's Odyssey, was an individualist. He did not fight for his country, he did not fight for his king, he fought to make a name for HIMSELF.
This is the spirit, the drive behind Europe achieving practically everything of note. Being collectivist is oriental tier. Chinks are collectivists. The chinks had no industrial revolution. The chinks never conquered 90% of the planet.
Ethan Foster
Bull-fucking-shit. You're clueless.
Xavier Bennett
You know, I firmly and honestly believe that speaking about how good those Germans were after you made sure that there is virtually none left is worse than what they Israelis are doing. They won't miss the Palestinians after all.
Tyler Miller
Ce prost esti. Jidanii nu trebuie sa fiu la noi in tara ca se ne controleze si sa ne asupreasca. Ei isi fac treaba cu un telefon din Jew York
Charles Perez
You can't help these things, the asiatic people were more powerfull then, we are slaves to geography and historical movements to a large degree, such is life. But some things you can help, like you don't have to adopt the culture of the asiatic overlords and then seek to replace the culture of your fellow europeans who mentained their identity. This is why hungarians are so repugnant to me. And if you would at least stay in hungary that would be fine, but many hungarians inside and outside romania want more land from us, to spread the culture of their asiatic overlords in europe.
Hunter Ortiz
jidane, ai gresit boardul. inapoi la reddit.
Cooper Bailey
ad-hominem. refugiul jidanitului.
Luis Ramirez
Să spui adevărul nu e jidănesc.
Ryder Garcia
the germans aren't dead though, they moved to germany. I don't know what your obsession with germans is all about. stiu asta foarte bine, da asta inseamna ca trebuie sa ii lasam pe unguri sa-si bata joc de noi? Ce crezi, ca daca ne imprietenim cu ei (imposibil, sunt prea mandrii si chiar daca incerci o sa existe mereu certuri) o sa ne ajute cu ceva? Opozitia fata de unguri creste unitatea nationala pana la urma.
Noah Martinez
catre ceilalti romanianoni.
singura regula este: e bine pentru romani?
1. e bine sa ne respectam stramosii Daci? 2. e bine sa actionam ca un tot unitar, ca nuielele unei fascii? 3. sau e bine sa ne denugram stramosii? 4. si sa imbratisam hedonismul si individualismul?
asta ca sa depistam tentativele de D&C
Hunter Powell
Nu-și bate nimeni joc de "noi" căcatule. Marși în morții mă-tii de incult colectivist. Nu e de mirare că ești simpatizant comunist. Sigur vorbești la bere și semințe de cât de bine era "înainte", pe vremea lu' cană.
Marși!
Robert Rodriguez
You don't get it. We are the Asiatic overlords. And all we want if what we worked and bled for a millennium.
Nu avem strămoși daci. Nu mai spune fantasmagorii. Când pretinzi că ai strămoși falși, scuipi pe mormântul strămoșilor adevărați. Individualismul e ortogonal hedonismului. Arunci termeni într-o găleată fără să înțelegi dacă au vreo legătură sau nu. E bine să cooperăm, în mod familial. Mai întâi cu românii ca între frați, apoi cu celelalte neamuri europene, ca între veri.
Cameron Gray
cand citezi din zoe petre si lucian boia esti la fel de jidan ca narx.
Benjamin Richardson
ce? eu nu sunt comunist si nu cred ca era mai bine, nu stiu de unde ai dedus asta. Chiar ungurul care a comentat sub tine spune ca e "asian overlord" si vrea ce-i al lui (ce-i al nostru)
Then we can never get along.
Jason Rogers
glorious finno-hungarian khanate
Logan Green
Nu stiu daca sa te detonam, gazam sau sa te tragem in teapa.
Blake Diaz
copile, tu n-oi avea stramosi Daci dar eu pe linie paterna am 65.000 de ani in Balcani. verificati genetic in proiectul Genographic. haplogrup I proto european.
si vezi ca te da de gol lumba romana, se scrie ""Mars", fara i
Tyler Clark
Îți fut toți morții! Bunicul meu a făcut pușcărie pentru că a făcut parte din Mișcarea Legionară. Tu ești un prefăcut infect și ordinar.
Dă-l în morții lui. Vorbește pentru el. Nu e reprezentantul ungurilor. Dacă vrea, să vină să încerce să "cucerească". Se bate în piept aiurea.
De-asta e bun individualismul. Denotă un tip de gândire mai avansat. Mai evoluat. Mai nobil. Fac pariu că tu și ceilalți căcănari prefăcuți care se cred "naziști" nu vă recunoșteați în oglindă la 2 ani. Nu aveați un concept de sine. Exact ca cioroii.
Kayden James
So it's on right to deport all Romanians from Transylvania, because they can go home to the other side of the Carpathians. Got it.
History is not over.
Damn, I kind of miss these maymayballs.
Luke Rodriguez
Mai bine ungur decat individualist
Hudson Perez
bravo, baieti, ramaneti vigilenti ca Open Society are filiala si la noi.
se vad de la o posta deracinatorii.
Lincoln Bennett
I am so scared Janos, what will you build a fence around the border or something to show how nationalistic you are?
Anthony King
Se scrie cum vrea pula mea. Ai strămoși în ținut de 65 de mii de ani tot în pula mea. Nu ți-a comparat nimeni ADNul cu vreo mumie așa de bătrână. Haplogrupurile sunt foarte generale. Haplogrulup I e împrăștiat bine prn Europa.
Ești un tembel prea tipic.
Nathan Cooper
Nah, we learned from you how to do it. We just have to wait for the next big war, act as spinelessly as possible, betray all of our allies at the right moment, and in the end we will win.
Chase Young
Cred ca detonarea e cea mai buna solutie.
In fiecare zi de 23 august vom strange toti jidanii si ii vom detona ca razbunare pentru ce a facut Mihai.
Michael Ortiz
Nu doar jidanii. Și cretinii. Ca tine. O nație nu prea poate să supraviețuiască sănătoasă dacă e formată de idioți.
Nathan Long
You can try bozgor, you can try.
Carter Mitchell
Dute naibii inapoii in Germania daca tara asta este prea stupida.
Daca cei care vor sa pastreze tara unita, sa pastreze credinta ei, cultura ei, istoria ei sunt cretinii. Dute naibii la Brussel unde sunt genile. Une vei putea suge cate pulii vei si sa le iei in cur de cate ori vrei.
Kevin Williams
nu e nevoie de lacrimi. toti individualistii ca tine vor atarna in ziua franghiei, de mana cu multikulturalistii, degeneratii, comunistii, jidanii si jidanitii.
Might makes Right.
Cooper Turner
cum spui tu, Moishe.
Nicholas Cook
Nu mai plânge cu lacrimi de crocodil. Că vorbești tâmpenii cu nici-o realitate isorică nu are legătură cu unitatea neamului. Nu am ce să caut nici la Brussel nici în Germania.
Trebuie să rămână cineva să repare și apere țara asta. Nu doar de inamicii din afară, ci și de trădători. Și de idioți.
Asta e adevărat. Problema e că tu nu prea înțelegi ce înseamnă expresia respectivă.
James Wright
Nu, nu sunt imigranți. Românii sunt aici de secole. Nu, nu suntem asiatici. Suntem Europeni, în mare parte. Sunt și mulți țigani printre români. Țigani care și-au uitat rădăcinile. Nu are nimeni nici un drept la pământurile noastre. Right of conquest. Cine le vrea, să vină să încerce să le ia. Cum au mai încercat și alții.
Voi sunteți șili pentru Soros, fie că sunteți plătiți sau nu, pentru cu îndrugați niște prostii.
Bentley Sullivan
Oy fucking vey
Nu te plang, ma doare in cur de ce se intampla cu tine, tot ce vreau este ca tu, si ceilalti cucks sa plece din tara.
Orice individualist roman se uita la alti si se plange de ce nu are, si se uita la ai lui si se plange de regulile lor. Si toti trebuie gazati. Vrei individualism, du-te naibii ori unde il vei gasi.
Wyatt Gonzalez
dudule, da-mi contul si-ti virez eu niste shekeli pt angajament. nu trebuie sa pupi in pula doctrina lui Ayn Rand ca sa te dai de gol chiar in halul asta.
plm n-a mai ramas nimic si pentru postaci de la masa (((soros/usr)))?
Landon Torres
FTFY
Cooper Mitchell
Bag pula chiar atat de handicapati sunteti sa va lasati suparati de un bozgor care posteaza Anime?
Jacob Perez
Sentimentul e mutual, stai liniștit. Și eu te vreau afară din țară. Hai să vedem cine reușește.
Xavier Hill
Fuck off.
Nolan Long
Trebuie sa te intorci
Liam Barnes
O rahat, waddup?
With whom should I vote? Voted PRU at local elections (primarie) but lately PRU seems like controlled op (they've been adding so many people from different parties into their own, especially PSD). Reminder that the current president of the party was a former PSD party member (including many others).
Srsly, what do?
Benjamin Brown
I love how this thread is like 98% shitposting and 2% actually discussing the topic. Romanian bantz are the best.
Jackson Robinson
ar mai fi fost partidul lui marian munteanu dar la ce lombrosieni am vazut pe liste nu multumesc.
PRU, daca intra, bine, daca nu, se redistribuie celorlalte. ideea e sa linsam usr-ul lui soros.
Shh, you will trigger the romanians who swallowed revisionist communist propaganda hook line and sinker. Plausible historicity is too much to handle for the WE WUZ DACIANS AND MY ANCESTOR WAS DECEBAL crowd.
Carson Davis
Your very own written history says that we're dacian. So stop.
Jason Bailey
The New Right is just a honey-pot of the secret services. It's controlled opposition.
The other nationalist party - PRM (The Greater Romania Party) - also started as controlled opposition in my opinion. Vadim was clearly not a lunatic, but he played that role to discredit such a nationalist movement. Everyone still associates "nationalism" with madness because of that guy. Maybe there are some good guys there, but the party is compromised.
PSD (The Socialist Democratic Party) - these guys are corrupt as fuck. They are no longer in power and they are being rounded up and thrown in jail. But I feel no pity for them. They had it coming. Yes, they started naming the foreign influences, the secret services, Soros and everything, because they are desperate. But I say, let them burn. The sons and heirs of communist traitors. Yes, Ceausescu had nationalist tendencies, but these are the goys who betrayed him and had him killed. Traitorous scum.
PNL - liberals - the cucks of our country. They are not even taking any decisions themselves. They are taking orders straight from EU and USA (clintons, soros etc). As corrupt as PSD - and from the same gene pool of communist traitorous scum.
The current state of affairs is pathetic. But there is hope I think. We can turn one of our weaknesses into a strength. Romanians idolize the cultural trend-setters, whoever they may be at the time. The Germans, the French, now the Americans. Everyone does this I know, but trust me that no one does it to the extend that Romanians do it.
If Americans start to promote new values (instead of cultural-marxism), we will follow along soon enough. There is not much we can do politically right now, but we should concentrate on promoting an ideology shift.
Angel Watson
Except it doesn't. The Dacian Continuity hypothesis is virtually exclusively pushed by romanian """academics""" from the communist era. It holds no water. And genetic testing is the silver bullet that has put such propaganda to rest. The genetics of the romanian population reflects a migration background.
This has always been the most historically tenable hypothesis, because the current territories of Romania have always been a borderlands run over by many peoples.
Michael Young
Yes, Dacians went extinct or they ran to Hungary. Ok. No continuity. What now? Gypsy theory? Fucking shill get out.
Joseph Butler
still butthurt? go back to the plains of russia you fucking mongoloid
sugi pula cu anti-romanul Lucian Boia al tau. si sugi pula si cu Zoe Petre just sayin'
John Anderson
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Kayden Torres
Ce-am vazut in thread-ul asta: Nu-i nimic, si eu sunt pentru promovarea tarii strainilor, da' nu intr-un thread dedicat alegerilor. Raspund unu, doi si move on, altfel ne furam singuri caciula.
Suntem niste oameni atat de luminati (doar faptu ca suntem aici e suficient ca sa o dovedeasca) si totusi lasam orice rahat de diferenta, oricat de mica, sa ne consume.
Acum regruparea, si trebuie sa intreb: WHAT NOW? Memari suntem toti, da' avem nevoie si de cineva bun pe retelistica daca nu vrem sa ne bata baietii cu ochi albastri la usa.
Hunter Baker
Reform the iron guard fags
Parker Howard
Romanians got a fuck load of hungarian land post ww1
Connor Adams
Ok just let me snap my fingers real quick and bring 'em back from the dead with dank gypsy magic.
Pentru cine vrea sa se apuce de lucru: Care-i faza cu asta? E un primer foarte bun legat de mentalitatea generala romaneasca. (ideile - pasagere si fundamentale, gandirea si imaginatia maselor, pt cine a citi Le Bon) Adica puncte de plecare de la care trebuie sa se plece daca vrem acoperire memetica maxima.
Matthew Gutierrez
Alright good job dont make me warn you again fgt
Charles Price
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Carson Bailey
Bump inainte de somn
Colton Carter
alright last bump
Jonathan Hernandez
It's the bozgors derailing threads with shitposting about muh transylvania and muh gypsies
Owen Moore
such is the way of the etenal magyar
Christian Carter
bump
Elijah Ross
It is always a pleasure to read these threads. I feel for all of you brothers but you are on Holla Forums and this place can give you a far better insight on your choices. If you think the USA is loaded with leftist propaganda, shills and CTR's you ain't seen nothing yet. Let me explain. After finding Holla Forums back in the day I was fascinated by propaganda so I started to study it. Turns out Romania is a testing ground for new techniques as much as the nevada desert for nuclear fucking bombs. We are fucked but not all is lost. You see, for the propaganda to work, the country needs to remain isolated from cultural influence. Here you have the "nationalist" movement that advocates just that: translating scientific articles, translating, transforming or rejecting everything foreign. Why ? So that the results are always predictable. Ask yourself this: While watching TV how can you discern bullshit from reality? You do see that everything you are fed every single day keeps this status quo going on.
Let me give you a framework: Foreign and internal interests collide, collude, work together, or against each other but there is always PROFIT. And more profit goes to the foreigners while the local "capitalists" feed on the leftovers. I was watching narcos the other day and get this: The US did not try to stop the drug trade until businessman complained that there were huge amounts of money being bled out from their country (3-4bn $/ year). Imagine that in Romania in 2016 companies like Coca-Cola, McD, Orange, Renault, all the petrol conglomerates, etc. keep their profits at 0 while their revenue is in the billions of euros. That money is being bled out.
How can that happen ? Simple, the propaganda machine has emerged out of this bullshit and it has become the testing ground for the world. Every single peace of propaganda for at least 10 years was first tested here and then used abroad. We will soon be facing meme warfare (even if it has arguably begun), and only after it has been perfected will it be used abroad.
Now you wanna know what you have to do ? Bring down the fucking press! Issue complains against big companies at the revenue service and do this constantly. Make sure they get fucked in the ass. Wake up every day and think of someone or something to fuck in the ass and spend the rest of the day thinking of how to best proceed in fucking it in the ass.
Fix your country fam. After that you're welcome.
Hunter Ward
cont.
Going back to nationalists versus leftists. The division by those lines is extremely hard to make. Allow me to explain: The nationalists after 1990 were dumb as fuck, none of them could be consistent and issue a direction or a form of thought. The left is stigmatized by (who wants to guess?) and can never be fully open with its ideas since it will be shunned. Both nationalists and leftists hide themselves and come around working together. You will ask, but user how ? Open your eyes, look around, your friends, your family, your neighbors, the political parties. Everywhere you look there are nationalists hiding their power level hoping that they will someday be in a position to do good. Leftists on the other hand are always the first to associate that common good with social problems first. There is a third group that has given up and mocks the bullshit, but even this group is made up of nationalists and leftists. This is what you call the "Romanian mentality problem". PNL is filled to the brim with nationalists but they are fooled by the leftist propaganda into working for them. PMP members openly talk about Hitler and Antonescu from the "good old days". PSD members are retarded as always but you can find the same thing as above. PRU are idiots but they are not shills, they have no clue what is going on, their nationalism is diluted and polluted with leftism.
Don't chose anything. Reach out to the idiot outside listening to Salam or Guta, make him feel smarter and start giving him some memes. One good meme is enough to have them see you as a leader.
Jayden Butler
Can you expand on this?
Jaxon Murphy
De ce nu face cineva /rompol/ sau /ro/ sau /romanianpol/?
Evan Price
Prea putini oameni, cred . Sunt niste threaduri ropol (gen cum erau alea britpol) cand se mai intampla ceva important pe la noi, rest nada.
Blake Long
I hope you are aware of the fact that the Great Schism happened only in 1054, more than 50 years after Hungary took up Christianity. Religious tolerance was a non-existent thing back in the times, so if Romaninans had lived in Hungary they'd be forced to take up Catholicism. It's not unreasonable to assume that Romaninas at the time lived under Byzantine rule and migrated later to Transylvania.
Hunter Ward
Just make one and shill on 4/pol/. Many fans of Gutza there.
Oliver Nelson
Darvidians fucked up the ancient Indo-Aryan empire, now their mongrelised spawn are messing around eastern Europe. Not just in our homeland, but Bulgaria, Slovakia and Hungary too.
To any bozgors in this thread, keep in mind: Gypsies are your problem too.
Why is this comic written right to left? We're not in Japan for fuck's sake. So confusing to read.
Jacob Lopez
Let's assume that the Romanian migration into Transylvanian theory is correct. Why does it matter, Magyars migrated from the Urals and steppes. Just like all indo-europeans migrated and their ancestors before them.
It's like democrats claiming republicans are the real racists.
We'd have more respect if Magyars just flat out say, 'yeah we want Transylvania and we want to fight for it, just like you want to fight for it too', And cut out the pseudo intellectual middleman.
Michael Reed
Reverse the republican phrase*
Jayden Parker
The migration theory is true but I 100% agree with this. It's all a retread of 19th century flawed arguments/propaganda about "autochthonous" peoples used to justify foreign policy to the local population.
Mason Thomas
Hey Hungarian history buffs answer these questions:
What was the situation in Transylvania between the year 102 AD and 1000 AD?
In Gesta Hungarorum who were the three dukes (voivodes) that the Hungarians fought to conquer Transylvania and what ethnicity were they?
Why was Transylvania an autonomous region in the Kingdom of Hungary and why was the region ruled by a "Voivode" and not a duke?
In 1438 why was the Unio Trium Nationum signed, against whom, and why were Szekelys presented as different from Hungarians?
Why did some Romanian nobles leave the Kingdom of Hungary and make their independent principalities of Wallachia and Moldavia?
How many "peasant revolts" happened in Transylvania and did they have an ethnic dimension? Why did the 1848 Revolution had elements of an ethnic conflict?
Did any organizations exist with the purpose of "magyarizing" other peoples?
In the late nineteenth century did population censuses include jews and gypsies as Hungarian, why?
During Horthy's reign were there any atrocities committed against fellow Europeans?
What was the plebiscite of Alba Iulia (Gyulafehérvár)?
Christian Allen
Apropo bă golanilor faceți-vă bă twitter-uri, băgați la descriere chestii cu "Romanian, Iron Guard, Nationalist,etc." ceva sa se prindă lumea și hai măcar să avem un oarecare contact, în pula mea. Așa cu shitprosteală și cu lonewolfism facem fix ciuciu.