Although this is still unconfirmed at this time, it does coincide with the fact that FARC–EP is planning to surrender and lay down arms in Colombia. Many of the members have been at it for years and joined as teenagers, so they aren't prepared for civilian life. Many more still may not want to surrender, so it's entirely possible that many of them are planning to join the Kurds in Rojava to carry on the fight there.
I'm surprised they even have the resources to send an army across the world.
Angel Mitchell
It's absolutely a revolution, but not yet a global one
Anthony Foster
Oh boy i am so fucking ready for the revaluation
Jose Reyes
the peace agreement between farc and colombian government just make farc stronger, as they're now a legal political movement that can easily won a future election.
Jeremiah Taylor
I may have been a bit too hasty on that, my apologies. Apparently, it's more complicated than that. It appears to be more of a peace deal after negotiations than a unilateral surrender, though some are interpreting it as such. There also appears to be inconsistent reports about the results of those negotiations, particularly between official statements and FARC–EP sources, and it doesn't help that major media outlets don't appear to be reporting on it. Notice the dates on the articles; some of them may have outdated information:
FARC-EP Commander Nariño: We will not abandon arms
Well, I have mixed feelings about FARC–EP. I support the whole revolutionary struggle bit, but they have ties to money laundering, illicit drug trade, murder, kidnapping for ransom, etc. That sort of conduct undermines their credibility as a movement and deprives them of any moral or ethical basis for their actions outside of some vulgar consequentialist narrative of ends categorically justifying the means no matter how reprehensible those means may be. The peace deal between FARC–EP and the Colombian government appears to include provisions which require FARC–EP to help the Colombian government combat such criminal activities, but that doesn't take away from the fact that FARC–EP has been associating itself with, if not actively participating in, criminal jackboot thuggery for years to decades.
If you can't fund and sustain your struggle without resorting to aggressive predation on innocents, then its obviously not an opportune time for that struggle, so it's better to go back to the drawing board rather than deciding to essentially turn into an organized crime ring. It appears that FARC–EP is finally doing the former, but not after years of the latter.
Grayson Morales
theres no ethical revolution under capitalism
Jace Hill
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Austin James
I'm sorry but this is only bad if it's aimed at the wrong people
Josiah Wright
That sort of philosophically bankrupt rhetoric is just the sort of vulgar consequentialism I'm talking about. Just because a communist revolution might inevitably entail certain ethically objectionable activities, that is not a valid argument against the minimization of those activities where possible. By maintaining that position, you are essentially giving yourself license to engage in immoral, unethical, or otherwise unprincipled and inhumane activities and hiding behind such rhetoric as a means of excusing them. That is the sort of evasive and nihilistic cowardice I would expect from capitalists and liberals, not someone who claims to be a radical leftist seriously concerned about the conditions and treatment of the working class.
Regardless, even when ignoring the moral or ethical arguments, such activities are generally unwise and counterproductive because they cause the development of a characteristically unethical reputation and sustains a narrative about the immorality of the revolution and revolutionary struggle. This would not only dissuade workers from supporting it and provide the opposition ample material by which the struggle can be demonized and discredited, but it might fracture the revolutionary base itself. From a purely rational perspective, such activities are risky and therefore should be avoided wherever possible. Regardless of whether you are personally compelled by such moral or ethical concerns, countless workers are and it would be rational to account for that rather than simply ignoring it because it is not consistent with your own amoral (and immoral) approach.
The vast majority of their victims have been innocent civilians, particularly rural Colombians in the regions they occupy and frequent.
Even if that is true, I seriously doubt you'd consider innocent civilians to be the "right people", even when those innocent civilians refuse to support the struggle and choose instead to remain neutral or unaffiliated in the conflict.
Dominic Nguyen
*countless workers and fellow revolutionaries
Daniel Gutierrez
Anarcho-greenie has a point though, just look at how the Shining Path fucked up after the Lucanamarca massacre, they killed the people they were supposed to for fight for. Not only that it was a horrible act it contributed to the degeneration of the political line
Josiah Lopez
Okay, this is a weird one. It feels like when two pop culture franchises crossover or something.
Sebastian Scott
Theres no need to archive ANFnews, they are a pro-PKK website
Xavier Russell
It's a habit now, even though I personally consider it pretty useless. Anyway, some anons might not want their traffic information sent to the site for whatever reasons.
Dylan Wright
Thanks for the information and concern, though.
Oliver Walker
I was memeing a bit, but seriously. The Kurdistan revolutionaries are exploiting their natural oil resources. I don't see how that's any different than FARC making money off of crops that get sold to American bourgeois coke monkeys. Similarly, so they extracted taxes? That's just building a state, which is necessary for many kinds of socialist revolution. Even smaller orgs like the Black Panthers did this.
What of the murders, kidnappings for ransom, rapes, and terrorizing of rural Colombian villages? Facilitating the illicit drug trade, and the black market in general, grows the black market economy, which only bolsters organized crime in the region. Even if FARC–EP is not committing rapes, murders, robberies, and kidnappings, those organized crimes are and their participation in the black market only helps them.
Is that actually an official Twitter account, or itself a fake?
I'm just reporting what I find. I stated it was unconfirmed. I was excited, too. I couldn't find any conflicting or contradictory reports, but no confirmation or denial either.
Adam Howard
I refuse to really take your accusations seriously until you show substantial evidence. Right now your word about FARC is as meaningful as any other NATO smear campaign to me.
Juan Wright
you are utterly pretentious
Ethan Brooks
These are all well-documented activities, so much so that they're even available on Wikipedia:
You're free to Google them yourself. That's all I'll be doing, so it's rather pointless for me to curate the articles you can yourself review.
How so? Do you have anything worthwhile to contribute to this discussion?
Robert Reyes
have you seen wikipedia lately? everyone there has completely abandoned the pretense of NPOV.
Benjamin Green
I regularly edit Wikipedia, so I'm aware that POV writing is a major problem, though that's primarily due to the rapid growth of Wikipedia coupled with the mind-bending quantity of articles on English Wikipedia alone which are still incomplete or works in progress. Keep in mind that the "Featured Article" status is basically Wikipedia's way of saying "this article is up to the standards of a professional encyclopedia and is in full accordance with Wikipedia policy". Anything below that will inevitably have flaws, even those with the "Good Article" status.
Anyway, I'm not sure how this is a matter where NPOV is critical. The issue is with whether there is evidence for the specific claims regarding criminal activity. There is, and it's even cited on Wikipedia. You're free to check the sources they cite. The only "other side" that could possibly exist is FARC–EP's denial of those incidents, but they could easily be lying, as well. In the peace deal signed in Havana, there were numerous provisions about reparations for crimes, cessation of participation in the black market, and cooperation in stemming the illicit drug trade they themselves contributed to maintaining. I'd consider that to be admission that FARC–EP definitely engaged in those criminal activities, or at least that they engaged in some criminal activities which likely correspond to the documented incidents listed on Wikipedia and detailed in various articles on them.
I'm not sure what you would consider to be sufficiently NPOV "substantial evidence", so I can't really provide it. Like I said, I'd just be doing what you'd do anyway by looking for evidence on Google and elsewhere, so it's probably better for you to research and find evidence to your satisfaction than for me to guess and curate the information for you.
Jackson Walker
wikipedia hasn't had "rapid growth" for years. It's common knowledge that the site is hemorrhaging editors and can't keep up with anything anymore. political articles on wikipedia are worth less than dirt. I'm not going to spend an hour or two vetting every asspull source on an article about a socialist militia, so either do it yourself and find the good ones, or fuck off.
keep in mind I don't give a damn if FARC taxes drug production. again, I see no difference between that and oil production, paper production, whatever. let's see some proof that they're really dirty rat bastards.
Nolan Brooks
The rapid growth of Wikipedia's database over the years is what I meant. There are over 5.1 million articles on the English Wikipedia alone, and tens of thousands of them are complex and highly controversial topics that have yet to reach "Featured Article" status and which still suffer from POV issues, not to mention gratuitous basic style issues (which is what I usually fix).
If you want me to bother doing your work for you and to spoonfeed you information you can easily find if you cared enough to answer your own questions, then at least specify what constitutes NPOV "substantial evidence" and I might take time out of my day to curate some information that roughly fits your criteria. Otherwise, I'm not going to waste my time playing a guessing game of what meets your standards of NPOV and source reliability.
Andrew Wood
You either have a biased point of view or you are really slow on the uptake.
I got tired from delusional crap people were spewing there over 5 years ago. Actually, it was 2009… Fuck. Seven years. And the things were going bad long before it.
Andrew Nguyen
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Nathan Mitchell
Disillusioned former Wikipedia editors represent. I edited for about 3-4 years, stopped last year.
Aaron Nguyen
I was quickly disillusioned about Wikipedia myself, after only a few months of using it in 2014 and 2015, but I still occasionally edit it whenever I see a glaring flaw. Wikipedia had great potential, but it's unfortunately a complete technocracy headed by a Randian Objectivist and riddled with idpol Wikipedians. Many of the community activities are also rife with idpol, as well.
