Is Latin America Part Of Western Civilization

Including race being everything, the cultures of Mexico, South and Central America aren't even really western. They're western derivatives fused with whatever native savagery that existed prior creating some twisted bastardization of western cultures.

Latin America is its own flavor of shitty mixed with some places that are okay. I'd say Argentina, Chile, and southern Brazil could be considered decent-but-not-there-fully. They're like a Diluted Western, while I'd say Costa Rica sits inbetween, and everything else is just Aztecs Larping As Spanish

t. blanco
America just invade and start colonizing already, it's just a huge waste of land right now

They could've been part of the West if the Spaniards had brought their own women with them.
Haiti would be a prosperous tropical paradise if the French didn't decide to bring niggers there for temporary convenience.

So Russia should be considered a part of Western Civilization, despite having (1) a political history that really took off out of a bastardized combination of feudalism and Mongol khanship, then later fused with Marxism to give rise to Khan Stalin, (2) a significant number of practicing Muslims, in certain areas forming majorities, (3) value systems far divergent from our own; but you're barring Latin America, even if it has much more in common with you culturally, because of melanin?

That sounds really arbitrary.

Latin America was colonized by Europeans. The entire southern part of the continent was a colony of exploration, just like the southern part of the United States, contrary to the northern part of US and Canada, which were colonies with climate similar to Europe, and were not used as exploration colonies, but just as population migration territories.

Latin America's shreds of civilization are all derived from Europe's. Portuguese and Spanish are the closest forms of Latin in modern language.

The only trap Holla Forums falls is comparing Brazil and Argentina. The latter is more white than USA itself, but its a cesspool of socialism and corruption, even greater than Brazil itself. Mexico takes all the flak from USA because it simply has a huge border with it. Mexican culture is very different from the ones in the other countries.

So, yes, it is a conglomeration of third-world countries with less islamization and asian influences than Europe itself. Corruption, poverty and general incompetence from govt's are a setback to their growth.

Argentina, Brazil and Chile used to be, search for any of their major cities around the 1900s or before the 1950 and you'd see the are doing great, not anymore tho

On the off chance you're serious, race is not a matter of skin color exclusively. If you don't understand even that then you're not ready to be having this conversation yet.

Russia is definitely not part of western civilization.

I've heard some people call Japan part of the West and leave Latin America out. Weird

Maybe Albania would be a better example. Muslim majority country

No, Russia certainly isn't part of western civilization, I'd hesitate to even rope Poland into the "west" despite having some heavy cultural ties

Honestly m8, you sound like a butthurt spic

Those people are fuckin idiots then unless you're referring to the term honorary aryans being applied to the japs.

ARGENTINA ES BLANCO

isn't the southern cone of latin america (ie Chile, Argentina and Uruguay) the whitest part of it?

Because iberian america mixed its european culture with the local amerindian culture.

This comes from the whole caste system and mixed breeding.

The culture brewing ended up creating a whole different beast.

And that´s just fine.

It's not even really necessarily that. I'm just not talking about ethnicity. I'm not saying they're white. I'm just saying that their cultural institutions are significantly similar to those in many parts of Europe, which I think is sufficient to call them a part of the same cultural–if not ethnic–genealogy. Indeed, close enough to group them together into some sort of common strata.

(That strata is called civilization)

Sure, but the U.S. is also very culturally different from Europe, maybe barring Britain which is an outlier even within Europe. Is it also a different culture?

Sage & reported

I would argue that the upper caste westerners and white Hispanics descended from Iberian stock have the right to call themselves westerners just like Boars and Afrikaners do.

Uruguay for example is a white country and absolutely part of the west.

But I wasn´t talking about race, my main point is that South American culture has diverged to a very significant degree from its European roots thanks to the mixing of Amerindian and European cultures.

Just to make myself even more clear, take Chile, for example.

Mostly white country but with traces of Guarani culture.

Maybe, but not in the same way. In North America most indians got killed and the mixing of cultures was almost non existant.

It's not a question if it is or not. Latin America was supposed to be Western Civilization, but got fucked up and is now in a Limbo State where it could descende into irreversible non-Western or rise up again to it's original Destiny.

I'm more of the idea that America as a whole comprises a different cultural group.

But sure, gauchos and tango totally mix up with Oktoberfest.

You seem to think that ethnicity and race are not the same thing. That's silly, but regardless, as time has gone on these Latin countries have shifted more and more towards the culture and mindset of the native peoples. Personally I've seen this in the case of Mexico where they have turned towards blood and death worship again

Gotcha. Well, fair enough. I just didn't know that, like, old Guarani shamanism and the Guarani way of seeing the world were still a significant part of life for your average Chilean, who's probably a devout Catholic who does a 9-5 job and all that shit

If they'd only fucking secede they'd easily be a white, first world, western country.

No, I think they're more or less the same thing (as I use the terms, race is more broad and ethnicity more specific, generally). But I was talking about culture. Like, what people do and how they see the world and the institutions of their society.

Do bullfights mix well with Octoberfest?

I just think all jews should die that was Hitlers downfall he made camps for em when a bullet would have sufficed He wasn't as bad as (((they))) claimed yet he should have been far worse yet he was half jew himself no wonder he failed.

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Wut

Who came up with this map? It's fucking retarded and gets many basic things wrong.

But, in a sense, historically, the Middle East is more apart of Western Civilisation than, say, Latin America. If Latin America is ID'd as western then so must the Middle East.

Because mongrel countries are not civilized. Avoid at all costs until you can purge our nigger genes with genetic engineering.

t. Mongrel.

I brought up race and he was simply responding to that, our arguments are essentially the same. Still, I assert that race/genetics plays a fairly large role in the development of culture.

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I made a half assed argument and I'm sorry.

Sucks, but that's what happens when you get conquered by a nomadic people. At least Mongols were pretty based, Southern Europe conquered by muzzies had it much worse.

Marx was a German, and Germany was honestly pretty close to falling to socialist in the Weimar days. Had they not sent Lenin with several million Deutsche marks in gold to Russia, instead of arresting him like they should've, it's likely there'd be no bolshevik revolution.

There's a significant number of practicing Muslims all over Europe, fam. Like 25% population in Londonistan and Paris-habad.

If you mean the pozzed "tolerance and multi-kulti" values, then they're not really European, gotta thank jews for that.

Russia is definitely at least a periphery of the Western Civilization. Their history, culture, science and religion are too entwined with Europe to say otherwise, unless you're a butthurt balt or something.

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Argentina is white

Lolwut

We just developed our own unique culture but nothing about it was not a derivative of western culture except some Injun state names.

everywhere shitskins infect its utter chaos and what all decent whites would consider un livable yet cucked fking rats run by hook nosed faggots allow them to open borders for every fking degenerate nigger to come to your country rape your women and go on welfare with their ten wives and 50 kids your dumb ass pays for …..LMAO!! you deserve death.

Map came from this book.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clash_of_Civilizations

Latin America isn't part of Western civilization, it rather comes from it.

Also Brazil is a third civilization because not only you have the Europeans and the guaranis thrown in the basket, you have niggers thrown there also and in the end of the day the country is much more different than it's neighbors.

That's a badass looking feline.

I get what your saying. I guess what I'm asking then is, at what point will the civilizational split occur, and the U.S. of A. become her own unique civilization?

No, they are either A) indigenous little spear chuckers or B) indigenous little spear chuckers mixed with post arab colonization spaniards.

I understand that there are white people living there but the majority of the people are mixed and really not one country has ever contributed shit to western civilization unless you count supplying the coke and being the inspiration for Taco Bell.

Realistically?

It never will mainly because academia can't let go of the idea that Europe and America must be on the same cultural group.

If Holla Forums is right and it always is you faggot then it the rupture will happen in our lifetimes.

Spainards aren't fking niggers they are more like Romans the brass was always whiter than the shitskins so anytime you allow shit fucks to take hold in any country your will have problems …….the (((noses) know this hence the push for mass immigration in all countries accept their own that they wouldn't even have without Whites giving it to them.

That map claims that Poland is western, which is wrong. The problem here is that yes, part of Poland was part of western civilization, but that was before the war when those parts where populated with germanic people. After the war, any German child left in that region was murdered and tortured by the ancestors of the people that lives there today.

The people constitutes the nation. Western people are the foundation of western civilization.

The fuck are you saying, lad? I think you misquoted someone.

its dago lad

But hot latinas…

Also, are you saying Iberia isn't a part of Western Civilization? If so, well, damn.

But the Poles' history was pretty much the same as other places in Western Europe. Certainly much more like Western Europe than it was like Russia

Funny because a gaucho is a mixed race man and tango has a lot of africanization in its roots.

Most chileans are mongrel brown midget neanderthal faced subhumans.

Bullshit based on ignorance. Brazil and USA are almost the same ethnically, just instead of lots of niggers they have lots of mixed people and less niggers.

49% white and 100% poor and niggerish vs. 70% white and 60% middle class and prottie. Guess who is who.

Argentina has 5 Nobel Prizes.
We've invented the mythical bypass technique.

Poland was populated by German people. Parts of Russia was part of Sweden populated by Swedish people, not anymore. You can't just look at the history of a region and claim that is is the heritage of the people living there now.

no it was not

I was talking about ethnicity and you're talking about income. Way to move the goalposts, kike.

it is german land give preussen back you snowspearchuckers

Also:

brazil is over run by niggers and other various shitskins hence their downfall No non white country in the fucking world is viable they are all complete cesspools of human feces.

i was talking about ethnicity, society and religion
if you think being haute class is just having money you're wrong kiddo

I'm not defending niggers/mixing, retard, I'm arguing against the notion that burguers get to decide what is western and what is not and the hypocrisy of calling places like Brazil non-western for having niggers when USA has just as many.

Allende was a mistake

Hawt class

Yeah and the reason that number isn't higher is because of how many Mestizos from latin america are here.

Mexico was a superb place in the 1800s

no amount of money makes a nigger stop being a nigger in fact it just makes them nig more.

Burgers decide who's western? lawl

Technically only the brits, the prussians and the french are western.

no nigger will ever run the banking system worldwide man

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We learned to behave like the West, but we are by no means West.
We don't know what we are. Until we find an identity, we'll keep killing and stealing taxes. Leave us alone, please.

Our (((mass culture))) is western, but the customs and way of seeing life is already different from our founding nations (Portugal and Spain). We have African influences on a smaller scale and indigenous medium scale. Obviously the greatest influence is European, but it is a mixed European influence, not like in the US where each community maintains specific traditions for years. Until communities that maintain certain traditions, but is much more folkloric, do parties like "Oktoberfest" and dress like old German, but in everyday life are common Brazilian (unless they are more civilized than the average Brazilian, of course).

Just imagine that

Fucking NO.
What the fuck is wrong with you?

South/Central America is Third World shitholes out the wahzoo, and the population is, by vast majority, mestizo-nigger-euro mongrels of the lowest order.
A few legitimate European bloodlines remain, but they are a small island in a sea of shitskins.

True they are incapable however I see very little difference in a nigger and a jew.The sooner we relieve jews of finance their whole bs world collapses after that ex usury what is a jew and ugly weak disgusting specimen.Hitler failed!! but then again was never his goal to kill them all as it should have been.

No one asked whether Latin America is white, you meme-spouting idiot.
OP's question is irrelevant, anyway. The better questions are:
a) Will Latin America support western countries or their ideals?
b) Could Latin America possibly be recolonized and used by the west?

The movie Fitzcarraldo shows how insanely rich some of the cities were back then because of the rubber exports. The invention of synthetic rubber later on ruined them.
Another interesting movie that shows South America is Aguirre, with the same actor (Klaus Kinski). This one is about conquistadors in search for El Dorado.

Nigger, if it ain't White, it ain't Western civilization.
Deal with it.

Nobody gives a shit, because they are mudfolk.
Well fucking obviously dipshit, Europeans could colonize the fucking moon, let alone hugely fertile lands that just happen to have a bunch of hominoidal vermin, practically fucking orcs and goblins-tier, scuttling about therein… If you remove the vermin, we could colonize the shit out of it - but until you remove the vermin, until you have a people able and willing to do so, those lands are lost.

The West is not an idea, it is a people - and history has shown us again and again and again and again and again that, without those people, "Western civilization" ceases to exist; as such, the question of whether or not the mongrel mudfolk, bred by lecherous Iberians fucking nigger-slaves and injuns, which dwell in South/Central America are of any value to the peoples who compose what is often called "Western civilization" is rather obviously answered.
You might as well be asking the same question about African niggers.

think it is a general belief between us that niggers are sht and all shtskins are nothing but lazy non working uneducated rats as a whole …most hispanics I know hate niggers work hard catholics and decent ppl older gen or 2nd and 3rd gen have assimilated to being white whether they admit it or not.

They were at one point and many Latin American countries have white population groups living in enclaves surrounded by browns and blacks, but now I'd call it third world or Southern "Civilization".

Niggers don't want to improve. You will be hard-pressed to find non-Catholics in Latin America either.
While I already said LA isn't West per se, it should be obvious to anyone that it's way more akin to "Westness" than Africa, Asia or Russia.

Please learn how to write

Where do you think you are?

No.

Although Latinos have advantages over mudslimes and asians, in the end they're still hybrids of spaniards/portuguese with the native races of the Americas (Aztecs, Incas, Mapuche, etc).
Although pure European specimens are rare even in America, it's a proven fact that the races with a higher percentage of aryan blood on their veins are the superior races.

By the way, I'm Chilean (in Chile).
Nationalism will prevail and Globalism will fall. Celebrate diversity by keeping each country different from the other. Keep the mexicans in Mexico, keep your borders solid and strong.

Only white parts like Argentina.

Well it is more western than it is Mesoamerican or anything.
Indo-European language ✓
European religion ✓
The majority of the people are mixed with Iberian genes which in case you didn't remember are a branch of the Indo-Europeans with likely some Moorish ancestry as well.
Angola and Mozambique could be considered western if they'd possessed the genetic element.
This isn't really a benefit though since western Cathlicuckism and materialism is the reason why a lot of it is disastrous. Most of the region would have been better off and probably less polluted had the native institutions remained in place.

And those human sacrifices man! Holy shit imagine the memes.

Yes they are.

It's not very popular among the super edgy here, but American drug consumption has put artificial ceilings in Latin America. We won't really know where these countries are able to go because they're flooded with crime funded by untouchable, limitless donors in the form of degenerate drug users in the US. Mexico can't end the drug war because they can't just walk up to the US and start shooting users Duterte style. They can only take down branches, never pull out the root. This is why most Latin American countries are corrupt as shit. Because the politicians understand that the drug war is perpetual since the US doesn't want to deal with its degenerates, so they cut deals with cartels, they try to point the problem somewhere else.

Look at the history of Latin American countries. Look at Mexico, for example. They were never at the level of burgerstan, but they had a respectable society, somewhere between Chile and Canada. I'd be willing to put money on most (the less niggers, the better the chance) Latin American countries being around the same level as Eastern European countries today.

Really some civilization and medicine you brought there.

Well they could legalize marijuana but the government is cucked by drug traffickers and no guns so….Meanwhile U.S. has had the troops guarding opium fields for a decade while doctors got a lot of people hooked on the oxycodone coinciding with the recent attempts at marijuana liberalization.

…under Spanish or Portuguese rule and/or with white leaders.

Wog detected

There are 3 parts to the west.
1. The anglo-germanic-nord sphere (anglosphere, germany, scandinavia, maybe the baltics)
2. The latin sphere (brazil, france, italy, spain, mexico)
3. The slav sphere (russia, balkans, poland, etc)

Other relationships to the west is possibly the persian, Mesopotamian, northern african spheres. These are "white" but not european white. Iran is borderline.

I'll answer your questions but I'll only consider the Southern Cone. I don't know shit about the rest.
a) The southern cone has been vastly influenced by the US for a long time. Sure, we don't share the exact same values, but plenty of our culture is based around what we import from that nation (we also have roots in Europe, but aside from catholicism and food, we sadly bow to ignore most of them).
The truth is, we are a corrupt bundle of countries who attempt to imitate what we see in the US. Americans have a strong presence in our culture. You might think "it's only fucking movies/music/tv shows" but if really has a strong presence on our culture as a whole. You could say it is rooted in the minds of your average person.
On a different point, I've seen that it doesn't matter how much leftists say that they hate the US, they still copy their ideas (liberal ideas, but still).
So, to answer your question: yes, we would support western countries and their ideals, if we manage to get politicians who actually listen to the people and if it doesn't fucking ruin us economically. Your average Juan from here would support your ideals, because your average Juan from here isn't that into politics and he mostly cares about having a job and to take a walk without seeing some faggots kissing.

b) You could try. You'd have to specify a bit more though, because "recolonized and used by the west" is a broad expression.

Sounds a bit like an argumentum ad lapidem.

Argentine here, i live in the less white part of Argentina the northwest, here there are whites at least where i live they are the 50% most of the whites here are descendants of Italians and Spaniards that came under the Roca period, but our country has gone full into the abyss since the 1940's, this country has become a shithole ruled by corrupt politicians and is a fucking joke, i hate living here.
I do consider the southern cone as a branch of the western world, in fact here live more whites than in the whole african continent, and yet we are ignored because we are not rhodesians or boers.
Here whites are bluepilled as fuck.

Tyrone go away.

Fuck off kike

Western civilisation is in its death throes and it must be destroyed by us for our nations to survive.

if you think western civilisation is worth fighting for then get to work on creating a rally cry to fight and die for some western civilisation.

Lol wtf

"The West" is a racial term. South America is not white, it is not a part of The West.

Balts are closer to Slavs e.g. Balto-Slavic.
Greece is historically culturally relative to the rest of European Mediterranean except in it's Church only after the schism and also with the Macedonian situation.
Iran was classically defined within Asia. After colonialism the European identity kind of coalesced into the western identity.

Ancient Greek bloodlines are all but dead. These days the average "Greek" is some sort of Turko-Slavic hybrid

Absolutely wrong. In no way, shape or form is "the West" a racial category. Show me one, just one reputable source for that statement.

Yes, as any traveller can confirm, el cono sur is, on average, without a doubt whiter than many parts of the US.

Guaranis are in Paraguay, not Chile. Most natives and mestizos in Chile are of Mapuche origin.

It's only a Mexican and Central American thing. South America proper is heavily western in its culture.

This. If Southern Brazil would secede - in this very moment -, it would be one of the whitest countries in the world, without the slightest doubt whiter than France and the UK. I'm completely serious.

There's still quite a bit of R1b left. And we need to give them credit for preserving the tongue and not having it branch out into a dozen autistic languages.

Uruguayans and Argentines are mostly descended from Italian immigrants from the late 19th and early 20th centuries although Buenos Aires was more multicultural like a regional New York, Chicago, or Philly.

Meant for

That paki cunt should be lynched along with all the other treasonous cucks.

The rulers of Brazil ARE portuguese. This is what you don't seem to understand. The crown itself declared independence and today Portugal has only 10 million inhabitants, while Brazil has 200 million. Some aren't either pt or european but if you take only the ones that are fully or mostly portuguese you already have much more ethnic portuguese in Brazil than in Portugal itself.

You know that before the ottomans the greeks ruled turkey right? In fact they probably ruled it longer than the turks ruled greece.
Greeks have not been 'turked'. It's more likely that the turks have been 'greeked'.

Italians and Germans.

A lot of the german migrants during the second world war fled to the Pampas. Uruguay served as a buffer area to the southern part of Brazil, effectively reducing Spanish influence from further south, Argentina.

The problem is the racial purity degrees which Holla Forums likes to masturbate to. Brazillians are viewed as mongrels because they're not from the northern part of the hemisphere, starting there. Then we have several hot topics in Brazil, such as the northeastern population, which is their version of "rednecks" in the paraíbas, which are ethnically white, but as dumb as austrialian abo's. Hardworking people, but still dumb.

Finally, Brazil has their african slave descendants living majoritarely in favelas, which spawn criminals at an alarming rate due to fragmentated families in single mother parenting and nearly nonexistant birth control methods.

Brazil was Portugal's colony, and had a lot of cultures influencing its own for several hundred years, it has its own identity and though yes, i'd agree in that it is in Portugal their main heritage. It's a pity that it is a country with such potential to be the south america's powerhouse.

so glad this meme is finally catching on

GTFO.

With "they" I hope you refer to the small Jewish clique surrounding the Foreign Ministry at that time?

'''The Jewish Role in the Bolshevik Revolution
and Russia's Early Soviet Regime'''
ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_weber.html

Lurk more, this is Marxism 101.

It's fucking true though. They almost don't understand why they obey.
The governments teaches nothing but learned helplessness.

Japan is cool though. They're getting less ant like. Probably explains their empire in the 20th century.

The west is a collective of rebels lately. They don't like the machine.

North American Indians were largely genocided.

South American Indians continued to breed in large numbers in the jungle and mountains and whatever and are still around.

Meh, it's not that bad. Former shitholes like Peru and Bolivia are advancing quite nicely, Colombia's not that bad, and on average Chile and Argentina can be better than France and the UK nowadays. All in all LatAm is way better than during the 80s/90s.

You're joking, right. The average Euro today is a weak, materialist hedonist, completely suverted by dependency on the state.

Bullshit. Very few pure natives around, the diseases took care of that. Even in Bolivia and the High Andes in general you won't find many persons who don't have at least some gringo in their lineage.

Were. Then memes started to get attention. People are rebelling yet again.

Why do you think jews have to have to subvert & condition us?
Because otherwise we cannot be controlled.
In fact.. Holla Forums is proof it still didn't work. The best the jews could manage is divide our rebellion.

Estonians are Fenno-Ugric tribe, same as Finns and Hungarians. As with Finns, Estonians have had lot of Swedes mix in there from since they were part of the empire. And German nobility used to rule there for hundreds of years so that's also one thing to consider.

All in all I'd say they're really damn white, most are blond blue eyes. The russian population remains largely segregated and speaks Russian.

But a lot of russian slavs are also blonde and blue eyed..

autistic semantics aside: he clearly was referring to Western Individualism.

interesting observation i heard on the convict report podcast over on the thedingoes was the difference between chink and western culture: shame vs guilt.
their moral ethos is based on if you lose face; not if it conflicts with your own principles.

Nah, Latin America's not on the same level as the West, not by a long shot.

But it's definitely a developed part of the world and a damn sight better than most of Asia. If the left make life in the West truly untenable then I'm perfectly okay fleeing to Argentina or Chile, Bariloche's probably at the top of the list.

OP's not referring to some kind of level of development, but to qualitative differences viz. "Western essence".

Does Holla Forums have a Mexican flag?

Hardly.
Race is everything.
Few respect the law there, and think it revolves around them. I don't think "bix nood" tier reasoning is Western. Or the "hives" either.

In some countries, the people hardly have any native in them. Please, do not put them in the same category, it creates misunderstandings.

Stop.

I would have to agree. I never agreed with the idea of "I'm from there" or "This happened to me, so I'm right". I think she probably knows more about her culture than most people who talk about the place, but it is a bad arguement.

At least there was some semblance of order and honour.

The drug problem isn't Mexico's, it's the US'. Decriminalizating anything on the Mexican side won't do shit to the drug and corruption problem, because the money that funds everything doesn't come from Mexico, it comes from the US.

i go to Bariloche at least once a year, it's a nice place but a bit pricey (on season and off season).

Overall best place in the south right now is Rio Negro.