Why dictatorships AND democracies don't work, this is a long video but I found it very interesting

Why dictatorships AND democracies don't work, this is a long video but I found it very interesting.
This video deconstructs government leaderships and how they function. All governments esentially function on gibmedats, money, government produced infrastructure, power structures, revolutions, the exploitation of its citizens, and the "keyholders" of the governing structure etc… There is VERY little political bias the only bias being muh morality arguments/jokes and all governments are corrupt

The really interesting bit starts at around 14:00, where he talks about revolts in dictatorships vs. democracies(15:05)
The important part: 16:20
where we are now in the US


These are the most important ideas that I can note. Mainly because we are almost in a situation like this, here in Burgerland. So my question is, what IS a non-corruptable functionable government? It can't be a democratic republic (we have that), a pure democracy Switzerland is nearly the only successful example of a pure democracy?? Probably dependent on having a low population Fascists states don't usually last long (but CAN be successful while they last, see Nazi Germany, Italy, Cuba etc..) My question is, can there be ANY form of government that isn't corrupt? That doesn't collapse? Not asking for a utopia, but something at least STABLE AND SUCCESFUL for more than 300 years. Democratic republics have lasted the longest sure, but they also collapse in the end, it's drawn out slowly and with greater impact than communis or fascist revolutions. See Rome. Not in terms of death count, but reduction in quality of life, standard of living, economy etc..

When a fascist government is succesful (Nazi Germany) it usually means that outside influences are also able to gain power, the (((Allies))) and in greater force depending on counries' alliances and relations.

Well user, societies and government wouldn't (((Collapse))) if it weren't for (((Them))) fucking everyone over for shekels. We remove the jude first, then we work on making a new system, hopefully something similar to National Socialism mixed in with the US Constitution and bill of rights.

No.

Natsoc Germany only failed because virtually the entire planet teamed up to crush it. Never has there been a more miraculously economic recovery in such a short time frame as well as an urbane and degeneracy-free culture. The fascist government was the strength of Germany back then.

The only government that I can agree is completely irredeemable is democracy. Any brief interaction in the outside world will teach you how incapable the general public is at electing leaders who will represent their best interests – and it's not because people are wicked but because they're stupid and are easily manipulated. Only a true nationalist government, who will look out for the best interests of their nation and people, can lead this nation into prosperity without letting simpletons interfere with the complex job of running a country.

Think about how successful McDonalds would be if suddenly every single employee was given a ballot to vote for their next CEO. I can guarantee whoever was elected would run the company into the ground in half a decade.

That's what I took from that as well, the only problem is how much and what part of each system should we take in order for it to be more successful than before? But to ONLY place the blame on them isn't really the answer, because most of the world is so brainwashed that anything anti-semitic is inherently evil anyway

Explain more please. I'm curious as how that pertains to the video at hand.

This is true, but explain how the current CEO can keep both the consumers, executives, and it's employees productive and happy.
Nazi Germany is a great example on how well a Fascist/National Socialist government can run, but that success is VERY dependent on the outside powers at be. I know the Juden had a lot to do with WWII, but to ONLY place the blame on them would be idiotic, so removing (((them))) isn't really the answer like in the first reply.

Though the removal of kikes would definitely help, restoration of logical thinking would be the next step but would be impossible unless we were all once race/religion.

Yeah, but factor in what's been going on in the shadows while we slowly deconstruct every link and happening, what we see and find is fucking great! It really is, but we only get half the story and have to put the pieces together ourselves. I'm willing to bet that once Trump get's in office he will name the Jew for the whole world.

False. Dictatorships work.

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Hitler's 3rd Reich is a prime example of a dictatorship working very well.

Doesn't mean that at all fag.

Which is why Whites will take over the world once the kikes are gone. Then we will be once race and one religion. The religion of the Imperium.

There is literally nothing wrong with being a dictator

That's precisely the next step. Once the Jewish Question is solved, which is the first and foremost crisis facing our nations, we need to enact policies that will return Western nations to their formerly homogeneous populations. All of these race riots that are becoming weekly occurrences in America will cease overnight when everyone is of the same race once more.

For a time. Explain to me how that success will last longer than a democratic republic.

History says otherwise. The fascist country in question may not allow other countries to gain power by simply existing, but they will see the fascist country as a threat and ally with one-another to topple it when it becomes too stronk.

I mean that in all honesty seems like the ONLY way for mankind to stop dicking around.

CGP Grey did a good job of explaining the issues with First Past the Post Voting, because those issues are pretty objective and there's little room for interpretation. On subjective issues like this though, I trust his opinion less.

That said, I think the biggest issue with modern democracies is that they let anyone vote. Democracy is a fine idea when the ability to vote is limited to those with a strong investment in the nation and its well-being and longevity. For example, those that own property, or have served/are serving in its military. These things guarantee that voters have at least a shared interest between their own selfish interests and their interest in the prosperity of their nation. Opposed to current democratic systems where the majority of voters are interested only in what their candidate can do for them, like welfare or tax breaks.


Though I can't say I'm a big fan of national socialism, Nazi Germany was incredibly successful and it took the might of the world combined to bring them down.

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Duh.

They need to be a Caesarian Dictatorship with the backing of the people and the dictator has to not be an idiot like in all the third-world.

Simple, we build the eternal 4th Reich, but also hold on to our roots as Americans. The US Constitution of course will have several amendments added to it to prevent this shit from ever happening ever again, and then we continue to grow and grow until we reach our peak as a superpower. Then we take over the rest of the world and fill it with whites, all inferior races removed. After this is all finished, something that could take over 100 years, we look to the stars and begin colonizing planets. Now, one problem we might run into is competition for resources and females, this is one weakness the Jews really fucked us in the ass with during the 20s, it's how feminism started and why it's out of control today. So short of arranged monogamous marriages for youngsters who turn 18 after passing boot camp and obtaining gainful employment, I don't see a 100% clear solution to the problem of competition in reproduction, but I'm open to suggestions.

His point is that once the jewish problem has been eliminated, nations won't start beating the war drums whenever a nationalist government emerges that promotes ethnic homogeneity and rejection of an international monetary system.

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The jews really are the enemy of the entire planet. Not just whites, but every race on this planet, they corrupt and destroy everything they touch and take joy in it. They must be stopped forever.

For fucks sake! Kill yourself

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Would it though? I mean all people are inherently selfish to a degree, so lets say we do follow through with our memes, we remove juden, would there be a global race war at that point? Or would we all live in harmony. Excluding mudshits, they would also have to be eradicated.


Yeah, yeah, but as a communist nation, excluding the cold war, it hasn't really collapsed like the rest of them… yet. It's slowly but surely gone downhill yeah. I'm not saying it was ever great or that it's a good country, but its still standing and still communitst. Compared to African hellholes it's doing loads better.

Haha I didn't even catch that from OP. Cuba is the polar opposite of a successful fascist state - it's a bankrupt communist nation that's an international joke.

I think OP might have meant Chile actually under Pinochet

WebM for CGP Goy.

Thanks, my internet is shit and that would have taken a week to convert.

Sure, that and I've been drinking.
Sue me

It's unfortunate, but "muh dik" has ruined many, many great nations before Jews were even a factor. So we really need to figure out a way to prevent beta males from fucking everything up for everyone at some point. Women can never gain the right to vote or step out of their gender role, when they do they do nothing but shit all over the system like they are right now. But on the bright side, if we figure out a way to keep their bullshit in check we win forever.

No, you don't even understand what fascism is, so how the fuck are you going to make any judgement on whether or not it can succeed or fail.

It has never been communist unless you mean it tried to achieve communism (something which can't be implemented)

And he would still be wrong

wew just in time for the election.

dictatorship dont work? look at Singapore and Lee Kuan Yew.

Not going to bother to read through the thread throughly, but I'm seeing this problem prop up with Nationalist in general - they think we can just copy and paste a system and use it everywhere simply because we're all white. This is simply untrue. To say it better, "I know of no such thing as Man. I know a Frenchman, a German, a Italian, but no Man." Americans would not do well under a dictatorship because it would feel so foreign to their culture - a heavily Right Wing republic has been their historical system; whereabouts Germany does just fine under a empiror; France under a monarchy. So on and so on. Each country has their own system to fit their people - there is no one system to end it all.

With this in mind though, that does not mean us whites should not unite and advance our race.

I thought the video was fairly interesting, if a bit normie-tier. I really don't like how the mods seem to be centrally managing even innocuous threads like these.

Read Chapter 12 in Clash of Civilizations.

All civilizations or governments follow the same timeline. A burst of productive people allow a nation to ascend, the following generations become lazy and complacent. There is no rule that prevents the US from having 7% GDP growth like China. It could be done if all citizens had the drive and motivation to be that productive.

They don't. Why should they. The more you produce the more the government takes.

This. The more money you make the more they take, and you end up just as poor as you would be working a shit job anyway because the kikes fucking nickel and dime us to death. It's the perfect storm of socialism run by greedy hooked nose psychopath's, eventually they always run out of other people's money, even when they themselves produce the money.

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Exactly, we must fight together, hand in hand, brother to brother, blood spilled in name of protecting the other. All I'm doing is pointing out that even Whites need different systems to rule themselves - cookie cutter governments will just bring us down.

No human system is non-corruptible because all humans can be corrupted.

The best system would probably be one that balances the interests of the power blocs (like a constitutional monarchy) and makes their incentives as convergent as possible with a STRONG cultural sense of duty, loyalty, honesty and morality. CGP Grey's video is materialistic and doesn't consider the influence of these transcendental concepts or inherent human biological differences in nobility/ability. He isn't even aware of racial differences I think.

1) High quality population (intelligence, honesty, initiative)

2) Environment that facilitates the application of qualities towards surroundings and future (investment)

3) Moral framework and social norms which reinforce the above

that's the main take away he was going for I think, fucking libshits will eat this up.


That's why average IQ of a country matters and why low IQ countries have never been able to run a democracy. It's also why there's a few degrees of separations in the US and several checks to allow people who aren't idiots to say no.

For beginners. There's no such thing as domesticable wild animals.

leave you autistic faggot.

I'm afraid you missed the point of the video.

Our bond with Europe is a bond of race and not of political ideology

We have had our unique form of nationalism in the United States which covered race. Our first immigration law excluded citizenship to only white people of good character (unfortunately at the time this included jews) yet it still lead us down this path. National Socialism was first implemented in Germany but was ruined by external forces. We have seen what a representative democracy does to our nation, to go back to it would be foolish. America is unique in that it very much is a melting pot of Europeans, it was a truly unique experiment the founders set out to create (otherwise they would have limited citizenship to only the English). National Socialism has been implemented and it was great while it lasted but as i said it was destroyed by external factors, we have seen what a representative democracy leads to, i would like to see what National Socialism leads to.

literally china, figuratively just a generic autocracy.

there wasn't anything particularly unique or efficacious about the nazis as a form of government. solid generals with an engineering edge sweeping across europe was hardly anything new.

>>>/liberty/

You do not think we could do a republic with a set of unremovable laws (e.g. whites only, no open borders, remove no fault divorce, etc) and not be fine? I honestly do not see Americans breaking away from our culture of freedom/constitutional republicism.

Also, I'm guessing you've never read Rockwell's works - he "believe[ed]in a constitutional Christian republic for Americans, not a dictatorship like Germany's" [source Rockwell's speech to Berkeley Unvisity]. He states this in many of his speeches and his book White Power.

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That would already be altering the nation's founding principles in that it would remove any amendments.

We elected FDR 4 times.


"I don't believe in democracy. In the second place, neither did our white forefathers. I believe, as they did, in a republican authoritarian republic"

I used the video as a general idea of difference between his view of NatSoc and that of the founders. Even he differed from the founding principles whether or not he admitted to it.

Yes, and new amendments could be drafted.
True.
Glad someone around here reads GLR.

So, if hypothetically if we drafted a constitution with the 10 amendments with whites only, closed borders, etc, etc added in, you do not think this could work? Explanation please.

And they would not be unremovable as you have said. As i said, citizenship was limited to white people but that changed. To break away from this would itself be a betrayal of the founding principles.

As i said, it would be breaking away from the founders intentions which is what you are in favor of preserving.

Citizenship was not put into the constitution, which is where the founding fathers fucked up - they shuffled it as any other law and allowed it to be removable.
Sorry, let me clarify, the only thing I, and I assume other Americans, would like to preserve of the current system is the Bill of Rights and the Republic since these are main two factors of our political culture. The rest of the system can be torn and rebuilt.

Now, let's say in my perfect little political system, this republic, which only whites can live in, with all of extras thrown in to make the perfect traditional culture enforced by law, and only white men who are of 35 years of age and own 10 acres of land with at least 2 childern are allowed to vote, would not be feasible?

It was something which the founders envisioned and sought to set up certain rules for.

Good, you admit they made great mistakes. You are breaking away from the founders, thus deviating from the principles which you are advocating to preserve.

You would allow free speech to communists and other explicitly anti-white people/groups? You would allow these same communist groups to gather arms?

You propose going back to a system which we had and which led us to where we are today (granted jews played a role in it but this was ultimately because whites allowed them to run amok) ?