Is everyone's attitude towards BLM here negative now?
When they were starting I remember that despite being "idpol" they still seemed to get a reserved sympathy from a majority of posters here.
If you were one of those, what changed your mind and made your turn against them?
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I didn't really like them to begin with, all the stunts turned me off worse
Idpol issues aside, I'd have way more respect for them if they were the "terrorist" organization that the right accuses them of being.
It's a stepping stone to something better. They don't have any real theory or doctrine, they're incapable of purging blatant liberal shills like Deray, and they're full of idpol, but they're also the biggest leftwing movement currently going in America.
If you see the B████ campaign as an opportunity to educate liberals about real leftism, then you should see the BLM movement as the same thing.
i'm black
they make me look terrible
BLM actually seems to be doing little else besides organizing peaceful rallies and being the scapegoat for the right
Same here, started fairly neutral for me, now I think it's mostly dogshit and evidently just a capitalist-funded ploy to divide the working class, they now seem to be trying to trigger some kind of Nazi masturbation fantasy instead of class war which they ought to be doing.
Sometimes their views for a few brief moments seem to align with mine but it takes almost no time at all to discover it's just another farce, they are simply racial segregationists.
We have lots of different people here. Someone likes it, probably.
Me, i don't really care. Never did. It was reactionary bullshit from the get go. Organized protest (vanguard party, yes) I can get behind (provided it supports at least some semblance of Marxism).
But BLM? It's a mess. Stampede without any meaning or reason. I don't even hope that some bad guys get trampled in the process. Seen it one too many times (albeit on a smaller scale).
They aren't Left.
they aren't homogenous or monolithic either
BLM I knew were lefties, tankies and Maoists
Not that that makes them or what they do revolutionary
I was on a BLM march yesterday in the UK, it was breddy gud, none of the divisive crap you hear coming from the bad side of the movement over in the states.
Seems to me they only want to grab the spotlight for themselves and go about complaining about police brutality with a toxic mix of identity politics without actually trying to solve anything or giving people and alternate other than some liberal version of "the police are bad".
I support their opposition to the police, and if I were forced to choose I'd side with them rather than against them.
They really need to learn out what racism actually means though.
BLM are good, as liberals go
Why the fuck would that even be a thing in the UK? The police aren't armed there and there isn't really any semblance of gun violence in black neighborhoods in the UK, combined with the fact there are barely any black people there either.
I always thought they were a bunch of racist shit stirrers, but I sympathize with their motivations. Or at least the motivations of the peons. TBH I'm pretty sure the people behind the scenes are actively seeking to divide and conquer the proletariat.
I remember last year going to a BLM event in Chicago. It was decent, probably has a lot of potential to raise class awareness among blacks and radicalize them but it definitely had it's fair share of classcucked libs though.
solidarity bruv
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I never cared about it before but now I hate them. They only make things worse and make the left look bad. Their causes are pretty pointless since blacks are the one committing too much crime causing the police to be naturally trigger happy in the first place.
It was planned as a solidarity march last week, and to highlight that while things aren't as bad as they are in burgerland police racism still exists, IE unwarranted stop and searches of black guys, deaths in police custody etc. Then of course by horrible coincidence a few days before the march went ahead a black guy died after being arrested by the police. (The marh was in Liverpool btw)
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So it was twice as relevant as originally planned.
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That's Eastern Europe. You see someone black once or twice a year.
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Gee, I wonder why. It couldn't be the fact that many of them grow up in poverty. Nah, that has nothing to do with it.
Im with the BLM movement, there are a ton of radical elements worth working with in the protests, not everyone there is an sjw.
They're liberals, yes, but so is 99% of the people in this country. Their existence is triggering the fuck out of policecucks and classcucks, and that's more than I can say about any marxist/anarchist group in this country.
If this unrest continues, hopefully down the road the conditions will get to the point that revolutionary politics will start appealing to the masses. But I'm not gonna hold my breath.
I sure don't.
I think its FBI-run controlled opposition. I agree with their issues but I wish they would bring the Panthers back instead of doing stupid stunts and yelling.
Where are they, all I see is rich liberals trying to change the names of things.
They lost support on here after they interrupted one of B████'s rallies.
It was always negative to ambivalently-benign. Whatever positives it may have, in its current incarnation it's not even close to revolutionary and is mired in progress-retarding identity politics.
Yeah they are. They're not very well-educated about leftism, but they are ultimately leftists.
No they're not, they want a few niggers in our ruling class, that's not Leftism.
as a B████ ██████ supporter I am apathetic to their movement now. I just enjoy watching them talk their way out of a paper bag after the Dallas shooting. So much for Hillary's gun debate revivel.
They look like A Wyatt Mann caricatures, lmao
To what extent was MLK's work marxist? Just asking for my education.
Don't you mean the sun? And by that, don't you mean your own shadow?
No they're not. They're mostly liberals.
I had a great conversation with my conservative roommate the other night about BLM, and I got him to say that if BLM actually talked the wretched lives of living the ghetto, and how people from the ghetto are geniunely terrifying as a result of it, he'd be more down to support it. It's not that the police are evil, it's that they identify black people as threats because there's a lot of scary poor black people. It's a class issue mixed with a race issue.
The police are not evil because evil does not exist. The police exist to violently enforce bourgeois rule onto everyone who resists it. Every police officer (that isn't a complete traitor or saboteur) is a blatant enemy of communism.
It's idpol, but at least it's some form of resistance to police violence. There's no hope of defeating idpol, anyway.
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This.
The usual SJW identity politics.
This time with "white men" being offered as a scapegoat to prevent actual change and to prevent a unified defense against the capitalists.
Edit:
An I say this as a Baptist who is, theologically and politically, much closer to many parts of the "Black Church", that, historically, used to be much more friendly towards socialism, opposed to capitalism, imperialism, feminism, etc.
Unlike many parts of the "white church" and white "Evangelicals", etc.
They are like begging to be exterminated by fascists.
IDPOL steered by the powerful who, in exchange, feed them validation through the media, social or not.
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Its just one of those times when you are so satisfied with a post you just lean back smiling. Ahhh.
The cross contamination of the userbase of Holla Forums to reddit and tumblr is probably about 98% of you cancer cells.
I should add satisfied with the obliviousness if it was not clear.
I'm sympathetic to efforts to stop police violence, I'm unsympathetic to the way a lot of this frustration seems to have been channeled into black nationalism, twitter wars against people saying "all lives matter" and other such bullshit.
It's a hashtag, there are good and bad people and ideologies involved and I haven't been close enough to judge the whole. Strikes me as a flawed effort to address a real problem - at least insofar as it's actually addressing said problem and not unrelated shit.