Is the first world Left dead?

Why does it have to be like this?

Don't get me wrong, I fully understand LGBTQ people face oppression and have a generally shitty time, but this is not why I go to a supposedly 'revolutionary' socialist meeting.

Is the left dead in the first world? It's pretty fucking clear that Europe is heading towards fascism and there's no clear force to counter it.

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How many fucking times must we have this thread? There are at least twelve of these threads in catalog, use it.

Death of soviets caused this. Without them and direct impact of the Comintern focus as shifted form un-popular issues to more popular ones that lie in idpol.

Until comrades stop trying to do politics irl?

That's spam.

Bisexual here, LGBTOMGWTFBBQ liberation is retarded in the first world. Outside of some backward hicks in the American South and similar places, nobody cares about your junk and what you do with it. Anybody who brings up the issue but talks about trifling shit like muh wedding cakes rather than gays being executed in the middle east needs to be reality check'd so hard they get sent into orbit.

Well aren't you special

Sorry, but you're wrong here.
Transgender people are at a huge risk of being victims of hate crime, the biggest out of any minority group IIRC

72% of hate violence murders were against Trans women according to this

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If Russia's economy gets any worse do you think Putin would switch to communism? He has admitted to being a card carrying member.

Not a chance IMO

Never, he sided with "reformists" during the critical moment of collapse( of SU) and his views on "jews" and their influence on communist party seems to be quite direct.

Also he has more in common with national bolsheviks and other bootlickers.

This is an issue but people are barking up the wrong tree about it. The people who do this don't understand the concept of transgenderism or see trans-women as women. They see trans-women as degenerate men. It's not a matter of hatred of trans people but hatred of men defying gender roles. It's a problem but nothing will change if nobody recognizes the thought process behind the actions and calls it "transmisogyny." Even though my point here doesn't really apply (you're right), most people I've seen doing advocacy about the issue misunderstand it at a fundamental level.

be my gf please

Also there will always be hatred of minorities under capitalism no matter what

if you don't like the org stop being autistic and make your own

Maybe I don't have the time because I actually have to work??

I`m going to assume that you have never been part of party politics, or been in that many political organizations?

if you don't like the capitalist enterprise stop being lazy and make your own

Transmen exist too, it's literally just a psychological phenomenon.

7/10, would organize with.

Fuck them. Get people to join Labour and get their 25 quid ready for the 20th.

I'm aware of this. They aren't victims of hate crimes at anything like the rate transwomen are. First of all, it's far easier to pass as a transman, because most people will just think you're a very effeminate guy. When transmen don't pass, most people see them as women defying their gender role. Defying gender roles has paradoxically become what a lot of people think of as women's gender roles, and on top of that women are not seen as acceptable targets of violence in the way that men are.

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She's married.
Although there was a semi-qt there.
I want to check out one of their proper meetings. Hopefully it's serious discussions about left-wing organizing etc and not an ineffectual idpol bawwfest.
Please hope for serious discussions.

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This.
OP should be helping to keep Corbyn in. People in the UK are lucky to have an ostensibly leftist, labor based party in government; They need only take it back to its roots. Random Billy Bragg tier edgelord parties are useless. In America all we have is the Democrats who are liberal scum who flirted with Social Democracy for a bit.
AFAIK the Tories are pretty widely despised, and UKEEP are dead in the water since meme-lord fucked off to the pub. Strike while the iron is hot etc.

that's pretty good, I hope they keep up the good work

I'm only 20 right now, comrade. But then again, plenty of time to study theory, politics and plan my advances.

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Just get people to join Labour and support Corbyn. It's a start.

my circle of friends is very left leaning, some idpolers but I'm working on it. Gotten afew to turn up to a corbyn rally

the first world left is filled with upperclass posh college educated white kids who obsess over identity politics.
I say this as a gay Latino .

The actual working class in america are god fearing, gun totting rednecks, god fearing gun totting black gangstas who live in urban blight, and god fearing, gun totting Mexican immigrants who pick fruit for 2 cents an hour.

Ive said it before, dont go to a college, go to a church, dont go to California or new york, go to Alabama, go to Detroit, go to new mexico.

You have to somehow convince a multicultural lower class to stop hating each other, except marx, and overthrow the libtard globalist college kids.

You need to create a new confederate movement that is based on communism and not racial animosity.

Testosterone is also more powerful than estrogen, which is great for transitioning trans men but basically means most trans women are fucked if they want to be cis-passing. It's a lot more difficult to, say, narrow broad shoulders and a wide jaw than it is to create them.

Gender is just gender roles, though, and gender roles should be abolished. But whatever.

>Gender is just gender roles, though, and gender roles should be abolished. But whatever.
If that's true and it has no biological component then what are trans people supposed to be?

Noise.
So I guess a huge portion of the electorate have to pay 25 quid (new memebers and union members) between the 18th and 20th to vote in the recall election. Please double check this and let everyone know.

I know these feels.
I'm just happy we had some actual working class people in the place and the middle-class idealogues weren't full idpol.

The thing about the South is that the idiots are everywhere and also very loud, but that makes the people who disagree with them hungry for an outlet. I forget who it was, but somebody said that people are the most enthusiastic to hear about socialism in the South when he went there to talk about it. You get the same thing from liberal and atheist comedians who make fun of bigoted idiots. People laugh the hardest in places where the others normally don't let them.

The south is the most impoverished part of america, the people there have a history of rebellion, they dont go to college, they are the most effected by capitalism, they love guns, they are willing to fight for their beliefs.

Now, if you can convince them racism is wrong, bring together the black and white lowerclass and create a neo confederate movement based on socialism and communism then that would be somethings.


Maybe frame a communist confederacy as repenting for its past racial sins and striving to fix america and the south with gommunism.

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Their personalities just don't fit the gender role they were assigned.

You will never convince them racism is wrong because they, most likely unlike you, live with vibrant diversity. They see the reality of your pipe dream.

Have you ever went into a room full of people from another race ? Racism is a visceral, innate reaction based off survivalist instincts.

Sex and gender are different

Kek. Go back to Holla Forums dude.

Western left-wing parties have swamped their countries with migrants, thus driving wages down for the working class to comply with the need of the bourgeoisie for cheap workers. Obviously the working class resent left-wing parties now.

He's not wrong though. Racism is human nature even though it's spooky bullshit.


Then how does gender dysmorphic disorder fit into that? Why does their personality not fitting their gender role mean some of them want to change their genitals?


That's my point. There are biological differences called secondary sex characteristics that affect a lot more than how people have sex. Some of them involve behavioral differences.

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Maybe they think they have to have X genitals to match their personality, because their personalities is supposed to go with those genitals.

Gender is still fake, though.

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This comment I like, because it's very near the truth. Its also noting that those same posh white kids who obsess over identity politics have largely admitted that they don't want working class men in their movement.

I used to care about this. I don't any more. Ultimately this community is so small and they demand their issues eat up such disproportionate amounts of time and resources in contrast to their numbers that I couldn't give a shit now. Our efforts would be better spent on obtaining decent food, shelter, safety and medical availability for the masses rather than on this time sink which helps only Porky.

I was thinking about stopping being an autist and actually going to lefties meetings. I live in Detroit and I see that the SEP and IWW have meetings coming up. Anyone have experience with those groups?

The US hasn't had a left wing party worth mentioning since 1920, and even then they just had a mayor in Milwaukee.

If it makes you feel any better OP, they don't think any better of you for being an "oppressed" identity if you don't abide by their precious party line.

I'm gay as fuck and these people cannot even mentally comprehend the idea that I am not an idpol liberal. I'm reluctant to even share my political views because they and rightcucks think it's related to my sexuality.

Oh well. At least I understand you, bro.

Try being trans without passing and walking around outside

I feely sorry for them tbh.

I would want to hug them, if they didn't look like old middle-aged men in drag.
If you are not passing, because you are just androgynous looking, then I would give you a hug.

Actually opposition to immigration and multiculturalism is more pronounced in areas with less diversity. More diverse, urban areas tend to be less racist.