Is there gonna be a war, Holla Forums?
It certainly won't be a class war. Possibly a civil war, a religious one, or a Nazi masturbation fantasy.
It all just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Nice, the Dallas shooting, everything
Am I just biased? Biased because of slective media repoerting? Are things really as bad as it looks to me?
There definitely is going to be war and conflict. The cold war is over so this time the left won't play that much of a role. It looks more like different fascist powers fighting each other.
There won't be a Nazi masturbation fantasy
There won't be a class war
Nuclear weapons ensure that the nations which have them shall continue to exist forever
Capitalism and globalism has won
Stay mad Holla Forumsyps
Stay mad /lefty/cucks
Personally I don't give a shit about Muslims anymore.
They are pure reactionary cancer dividing up Europe. If the Left had a modicum of sense it would criticize them as much as they do the far-right. The West should actively support the Kurds, secular federalism and kill/nuke ISIS, while they cut all ties with the Saudis. Stop immigration and refugee flows by creating stable societies in the Middle-East. Yes at this point I believe in White Mans burden with regards to Muslim societies. We have to pull them off the muck so that they don't destroy themselves.
The racial conflict Holla Forums masturbates about will never happen, and it is a completely different issue having more to do with wealth inequality, and crooked police and justice system that lets cops off the hook for everything.
Then you are a right winger, probably a Zionist sympathizer. Most Muslims of the billion Muslims are ordinary workers and they are not involved in terrorism like Daesh. It is the Muslim bourgeoisie and the leadership that is corrupt like the Saudi royal family and their cohorts.
How about westerners not fucking everything up for once instead of this "white man's burden" bullshit. The middle east is fucked up due to Western meddling. The West installed Israel and it has invaded so many of these countries only to make them worse. The West doesn't care about the people in the middle east and it caused the situation we are in now.
This is why nobody likes us.
Care to explain? Nobody likes us because we aren't willing to hate all Muslims like poltards and their ilk?
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Yes. Learn to let the hate flow through you, you boring fucker.
Not going to happen.
Oh, where? Things are pretty calm where I live.
Oh wait! THE MEMA CAMPS. I FORGOT TO BUY THEMEME FILTERS, ITS DONE GLOBALISTS WIN THE MEMES WERE TRUE
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Leftists as a whole are just going to have learn to live with racial tensions and fascism. It's the price of living in a diverse, democratic, and tolerant society.
So check this out guys. I've got a plan.
>this gives us an excuse to spy on our citizens and ramp up police state policies
What do y'all think?
I am not a zionist sympathiser.
And you should know that support for Israel has all but died down for Israel.
Yes the west fucked up the Middle-East but Islam cannot be allowed to prosper. They either become modern democratic sates or they will fall back to complete barbarism.
Islam is the far-right. They're more far-right than the nazis. They want to return to a pre-medieval society.
It's slowly turning into a dealbreaker for a large portion of the population and nobody has any solutions. I'd say we have a year until staying impartial becomes an ideological death sentence.
Pretty idealistic. I didn't want to have a kneejerk reaction to this but terrorists seem to be a thick bunch that rarely mix it up. Now they're using trucks, so that's now a thing that's going to start recurring, probably more because it doesn't require the dolt to be smart enough to find a ranged weapon.
On the scale of left to right they're Khmer Rouge. Not even giving a fuck about logic.
Shit meant to say support for Israel has all but died down in Europe.
At least with regards to popular support.
I never claimed to have any solution. If in the past the West was willing to allow Arab socialist regimes in middle east to survive and it hadn't meddled so much to support Israel and secure its nuclear monopoly then things wouldn't be the way they are now. The Soviet Union tried to fix this by supporting Arab socialists. But the West fucked the middle east royally during the cold war out of their extreme fear of anything leftists. Things are too fucked for their to be any simple solution at this point. The problem is made a billion times by the crisis of capitalism starting in 2008. At this point all we can do is hope this crisis ends and things get better eventually. But hating on all Muslims is not a solution that is falling into the Zionist bourgeoisie agenda.
Who said anything about hating them? The left deal with them using kids gloves. Religion has always been regarded as a cancer that has been superceded by free speech, but we're more than entitled under free speech to criticise their religion as unrelentingly as we do other right wing ideologies. Constant criticism and treating hate preachers like they're the modern incarnation of Hitler is probably going to get the most feelings hurt short term and have the least bloodshed long term.
This guy
What do you even know about Islam? Have you studied the religion? There are multiple branches of Islam so your attempt to stereotype it is misguided. The variant of Islam that is relevant here is Wahhabism. This variant of Islam just happens to be spread by the West's ally the Saudis and the corrupt gulf monarchies. The Saudis allied with the West in the cold war against the Soviets and their Arab socialist allies.
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Go home reddit
I think that guy was being sarcastic, since he wasn't me and he's replying to the poster that brought up the get tough attitude in the first place.
Yes, I know everything you're telling me now and from your previous post, but that doesn't change the political reality of the situation. It's just more beating around the bush and the exact reason the left has failed time and time again to captivate the masses. Socialism (inb4 autistic argument over semantics) is very soon going to become a niche interest topic in history, although looking at most threads here I'm starting to wonder if it already is.
Political reality: Terrorist attacks are going to continue with an increasing intensity causing the left to lose ground to the right due to being soft on an ideology that to the average European worker seems hell bent on destroying them.
People don't like being talked down, and if you're go on about moralizing and being condescending, people are more likely to do the exact opposite of what you want out of spite.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
we are living one kiddo.
The only reason this is happening is because of the end of the cold war.
it's perceived that way because of how the media is portraying things but it's really not
the tension is between the american people and the inequitable actions by their government
Perception is reality.
Don't lose hope, comrade. The left is slowly gaining nfluence in the UK, especially scotland and wales and slowly into northern england.
The nazi masturbation fantasy will remain just that, normal people are not being swayed to their ranks in the numbers that they espouse. Their position is built on lies and fallacy and it is our job to ensure that people know this.
The struggle carries on, comrades. Don't lose hope.
It ends only with robots of Freedom killing the last of proletariat or evil bolsheviks killing the last of capitalists.
So far neither has happened.
You forgot the last step.
When all goes to hell, you "surrender" to muslim fundamentalists and enthrone yourself as the sheikhs of American Khalifate.
I'll do without another pointless Holla Forums semantics circle jerk, thanks.
whyd you copy the tumbnail
Eradicate yourself.
What the fuck are you even talking about? Do you even know?
Don't feed the troll fucktard.
If you go around claiming something, be prepared to clarify and defend your position. At the very least don't expect people to instantly agree to your opinion.
Specifically: Cold War never ended, because it was never about USSR as a state. It was about Communism (and Socialism) as an idea and (yes) class struggle. You'd have to be total Holla Forumsyp to pretend otherwise.
Immigrants are not getting in EU/US because of "bleeding hearts" or someone attempting to "muslimize" anything or dilute Holy Aryan Blood. They are getting in to increase competition for the jobs and to lower wages to EU/US workers. That's all there is to it.
This is not "racial war". This is economy, pure and simple.
No true Scotsman detected. You're going to have to actually state a reason you believe something rather than try to change the framework of a discussion with sleight of hand. The cold war is the term for a potential war between the USA and USSR that never went hot which was instead fought through politics, espionage and proxy wars, nothing more. The end of the cold war is the reason that the USA is lashing out, as it was left with an infrastructure and culture focused on combating an enemy that collapsed so quickly that it pulled the rug out from under them.
I peddle this angle myself, except my angle is that it's in order to keep the population growing at a rate capitalism continues to be feasible at rather than a risky shortsighted move to lower wages. The reason they cite 'muh bleeding heart' is because to outright state "We need to let a load of refugees in because the system is unsustainable in the long term and will collapse if we don't do something about our population crisis" begs the question "Why not change the system?". Reframing the decision as one of altruism completely negates this and it's a narrative both the left and right are happy to occupy, the left as the good guys and the right as the macho tough guys.
None of that has anything to do with your initial premise though.
We caused it to begin with you fucking retard. This is literally what the Western powers want, another excuse to wage war in the Middle East. To maintain hegemony through eternal conflict.
We destroyed their society and now they are fucked.
Yeah, not like saudi billionaires arent funding global terrorism or something instead of educating their people and ending poverty
The Saudi family has no power that the Western world doesn't let it have.
They have oil money, OIL MONEY.
They need religion in order to control their retarded population.
The saudis used to beg america to fight its wars for them, only recently obama said fucked that shit and now they are stuck in a quagmire in yemen
That's kinda my point. The KSA only exists because an absolute monarchy of soft, sociopathic idiots was ideal for Western powers to control. If we cut their lifeline of support they'd be up shit creek in an instant.
Not sure if youve noticed this, but oil prices have dropped like a rock actually crippling the Saudi economy and thus their power over the region. Just a thought.
What you guys forget is trough oil, the Saudis accumulated a fuckton of capital which they increased by buying shares in corporations, infrastructures and State's bond.
Do you understand how capitalism works?
It's not funny cause it's true.
WELCOME TO THE ALT-LEFT COMRADE.
And this doesn't excuse terrorists attacks.
The west's liberal right can hardly complain since they've supported it in one way or another since day one. Consequences, political responsibility, they say they believe in, has made their ultimately liberal choices.
Their deaths are just the results of democracy at work.
the saudis caused the oil price drop
Yes and then demand dropped and the Saudis are in serious trouble. The worlds strategic reserves are filling up and it is only a matter of time now that oil production will have to be reduced because there is nowhere to store the stuff. Saudi Arabia is on the brink of bankruptcy.
If there is, the right-wing will clearly win
They're in the police, they're in military, they're in the government.
What do we have? Academics, students and a few miners?
We're fucked