Will a social revolution ever happen in America?

For some time, I had been assisting at the meetings of a Socialist party. Though on the inside, the party had eventually divided into three sections, each under its own leader and its own garret. That is when i decided to stop attending. The workmen's discussions were too timorous; the interest they took in the question of wages was inordinate. I feel as though they were hard featured realists and that they resented an exactitude which was the product of leisure not within their reach. In my opinion, I do not believe any social revolution will be likely to happen in America for some centuries.

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You need objective AND subjective conditions, to have a revolution.

Back in 2008 - 2012 the objective were there. Then Occupy happened. But it didn't create subjective conditions, as it was taken over by Id Pol and this is still the bane of revolution. Id Pol.

Now, would there be a second economic crisis, with most people sick of Id Pol… there MIIIIIIIGHT be a chance.

But still not sure about class con in USA.

the one moment a genuine revolution could of developed was at the outbreak of the great depression but that was before military keynesianism emerged as a response to managing crises

'08 didn't really have serious revolutionary potential since it could be managed with state fiscal and monetary policies

a total breakdown is still possible and that's when spontaneous organization would become necessary

But that's the point.
The bourgies have become so overconfident that they now want to go fullneoliberalism.

And neolib doesn't fix crisis…

No, idpol will prevent it from happening. If there is a revolution in America, it will be a reactionary revolution.

This. The propaganda system is too strong.
We're fucked.

Comrade we shouldn't give up hope on this. Just how Propaganda works to prevent the proletariat from organizing. It can be used as the means to demonize the porkies and capitalists.

But unfortunately right now those who support the left would not want full blown revolution. I'd like to believe that we can ease them into the ideology without spooking them. I just fear we won't get that far since /idpol/ will destroy it from happening.

I fully agree with this as spontaneous organization will become necessary for a total breakdown. But when will we see this happen? If it does happen will we have the means to take control of the situation?

Fuck off

I think we need a crypto-leftist movement. Also we need to focus on actual working class people and less on IDpol inclined middle class college kids etc.

Someone is upset.

Idpol is taking a huge shit all over itself, and the actual left (i.e. not idpol bullshit literally funded by capitalists so as to divide the populace) needs to take a real firm stand against it if they don't want to be swept up in the reactionary uproar that is quickly approaching. It seems inevitable at this point that a reaction is coming and if the left wants to actually survive they need to quickly distance themselves from those elements that will be reacted against, namely idpol.

Thankfully actual leftism has nothing at all to do with identity politics, in almost every way it is actually the exact opposite of what the left stands for. It should not be too hard to push idpol away considering there is no reason at all for leftists to defend it, but regardless, it seems all it takes are some deluded so-called leftist idiots to give into social pressure and start giving their support to BLM and other outright divisive organizations to taint the entire left, and that is what the reactionaries will use as justification to destroy the entire left unless we make a deliberate point of opposing idpol and other clearly divisive forces.

Not that it really matters but the OP is just paraphrasing a story by James Joyce, see the bottom of the page at books.google.com/books?id=OSGcDAAAQBAJ&lpg=PA1&pg=PT128

You mean americans were thinking that a neoliberal senator barack obama is in reality a closeted communist?

Did you recognize that or did you find that out by googling the post?

this, propaganda is too strong.

revolution in the U.S is also less likely because of the diversity.

If a country is close to 100 percent one ethnicity, it will be easy to recognize the class system as being the oppressor of the poor.

But if there is a substantial minority group, you can always shift the blame of the actions of the ruling class on the minority.

But that might be wrong, it might be a sign of the triumph of the spectacle that Lithuania passed a law that prohibited burqas and the country only has three women who wear them.

To even get a U.S worker to begin to think along leftist lines, you first have to overcome all the racist notions they have.

We have always lived in a post-truth politics. The media exploits evolutionary psychology (tribalism, fear response, confirmation bias etc.) to keep the proles asleep.

tbh we might be up against human mass psychology itself.

They Live is such a relevant film. It couldn't have been more spot-on.

The language just sounded old-timey so I googled a phrase out of curiosity.

I hope so. The only way global revolutuion can occur is if the U.S. falls to revolution.

Well yes, it will happen, however the conditions require to get their are going to be catastrophic to the population. It has to get worse before it can get better and people start seeking out radical solutions on a large enough scale to actually change anything.

not anytime soon because you cucks follow the directions of old fucks who died long ago after failing to bring about communism.

get creative and make it happen instead of leaving it to mystical dialectics and discussing nihilism with other losers

Do you believe "getting creative" will undo centuries of propaganda on an incredibly pacified populace.

You can't fight the media domination. The number of potential revolutionaries in the U.S is so incredibly small and there is no reason for them to grow.

If there was no propaganda, what would you do?

I don't think I am more than half wrong if I say that idpol is to 21st-century capitalism, what fascism were to 20th-century capitalism; they both distract the working class. Fascists had the jews and communists (for some mysterious reason they thought reason rich jews wanted a monyless, stateless, classless society, go figure), idpolers have white cishetero atheist/christian men (queer multiracial lesbian billionaires are more oppressed than white working class men living from day to day because muh white muh privilege (not a stab at queer multiracial lesbians, though)).

(pic related very relevant)

'68 called, they want their autism back

please keep larping like teabaggers all day.

keep believing in mystical dialectics and abstaining from actually doing anything

What have you done to incite revolution then? Tell us so we can learn from your example.

He gave a cop a nasty look once and wrote some really subversive graffiti.

Maybe a Day of the Rope style of social revolution.

I want to fuck hot leftist bitches and turn them right!

I disagree .

A Ted Kaczynski / Charles Manson inspired uprising against The Man.

Former NCP-LC organs are doing some great work atm, and SAlt has always been good at organizing (although they tend too close to demsoc for comfort.) PSL seems like they're doing a pretty good job but I'm not sure.
One of the biggest obstacles to revolution in the US is the armchair left's unwillingness to organize