Anarchy Strategy Thread

Special notice:
I created this thread on /liberty/ as well. I just want to hear your opinion on lefty anarchism as opposed to anarcho-capitlaism. Please don't get triggered. I just want to specifically talk about your kind of capitalism, not anarcho-capitalism in this thread. Kay? I copypasted the thread from liberty with a few adjustments, so dont get surprised if you hear me refer to capitalistic concepts.

Let's talk about Strategy. If you aren't an anarchist, just assume a devil's advocate position for this thread or leave.
Let's deal with some parameters.
Say we have secured for ourselves a landmass of 50km2 in an unidentified, habitable european flatland.

We have gathered together a group of 1000 anarchists and let's say a rival group of 200. (don't take the word rival too seriously, it just means they don't agree with our charter of basic rules and do it a bit differently, don't kill them you psychos)

So anyway what kind of basic rules do you think we in the 1000 strong community can agree on? What would our basic organisational structure be?
Do we give each one absolute ownership of a part of the land? Do we give each one absolute ownership of a SMALLER piece of the land and then everyone gets a share of the rest?
Do we establish some basic laws about trespassing the outer boundaries of other people's property?

How do we oranize our court system? Anarchism means no rulers, not no rules, so should we from the get go establish a justic system, rather than wait for one to spawn?
(not saying that we have to initate force)
Are there any immideate concerns, like should we give every settler a contract enforced by an agency which is solely responsible for enforcing that contract. Are there any rules we should have our anarchists settlers sign. Can anyone think of something?

PS:
Please no sociopaths allowed who want to abuse their own children and don't feed them.

Oh, I'm sorry, I thought this was ANARCHY. Next thing, you'll be telling me I won't be allowed to sell them, either.

Ask here
/anarcho/

You can do whatever you want, but that doesn't mean that we allow you to immigrate into our anarchist community, if you behave like that.

We won't just accept anyone, you know? At least not in the first waves of settlement.

Naturally we will vet the first immigrant settlers for relevent red flags that might be a threat for establishing an anarchist community.

After all we have a responsibility to show other people the way. The whole world will be looking at us. We shouldn't fuck this up, before it even starts.

So please try to act like an empathic human being who loves other people.


Ask? Didn't I make enough questions in the OP.

Just roleplay like we are legitimetly forming an anarchist settler organisation and we are all bunched up together and discuss some basic principles.

We don't want our project to descend into total chaos and … Anarchy, do we.

*puts on sunglasses*
YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Is there a new board owner yet? That asshole banned me for serial shitposting.

I was joking. I'm not interested in entertaining your fantasies of a non-anarchistic ancap dystopia. Just fuck off.

Well FUCK YOU.

I explicetly said that I wanted to talk about lefty anarchism instead of anarcho-capitalism.

THAT'S WHY I CREATED THIS THREAD HERE AND ADJUSTED IT.

Do you know what you are?
You are just a big mean bully.

I want to talk about lefty anarchism here, not anarcho capitalism!

Then what's up with all the spooky laws you want to implement?

lol anarchists are reaching People's Temple territory now

you guys are always 50 years behind

sigh … they are not laws, they are rules

I think we can all agree to not murder or rape each other, right?

And I don't want to implement any rules, I am just asking out in the open if there are any rules which are very important to implement for the creation of an anarchist commune.

They don't even have to be universal, but we have to organize this shit somehow.


please no bully

I was talking about the property rights shit.

Mate. I said that I am an ancap. I copypasted this thread from liberty and replaced ancap with anarchist.

Now please stop being triggered.

strategy:

Yup

how do we organize the union? how do we organize the federation?

how do we organize our humble beginnings?

do we vet settlers or do we welcome all?

All organization is at the local industrial level. Workers decide how they will decide, and their decisions are sent "upwards" to the union/federation, which has no council or anything, and is like an entity that consists entirely of the resources it accumulates and the decisions sent to it. It is the task of all involved in the union/federation to see the decisions made collectively come into action. For this reason, the federation/union should only be able to do a handful of tasks in order to ensure the consensus can be executed.
I propose all the following powers be given to the collective body recognized as the union/federation:

Also I think everyone should be welcome, a screening process will give ammunition to anyone against the cause

Cool, but what about judicial disputes outsied of economic matters.

Common law court or civil court or a mixture?

At the point at which it becomes a union of unions aka a federation, there could be unions within the federation operating on different rules that would allow them to tackle the issue of legal matters. Perhaps special interest groups can be part of the federation also, and lobby for the removal of anti-union laws so that the federation can expand

are you sure that you are an anarchist?

I know that you're an ancap. And I won't stop being triggered. Nothing triggers me more then you faggots calling yourselves anarchists. There's plenty of other ancap shitholes on the internet, fuck off to one of them.

I want to talk about anarchism with you. About your anarchism.

Why don't you accept me as one of your own?

I'm not an anarchist anymore. But, I wouldn't of accepted you at any time then, either. "Anarcho"-capitalism would not signal an end to unjust hierarchies. It would be a return to feudalism.

are you autistic? I dont want to talk about anarcho capitalism

How are unions etc different from a state?
What if I disagree with the practices of the union(s), particularly the ones that create and enforce laws?
Do you make a distinction between personal and private property? That is, can my home and basic possessions be appropriated by the community?

classic

This.


When were you banned?

as a thought experiment I am curious to see real replies as to it's conclusion. I am interested in how this plays out in real life, in this sort petri dish. Any serious replies? Would you have to start with anarchists or could you start with a mix of normies and anarchists and put them together? or is the 200 person faction drastically different?

That is one of the practical reasons as to why I am an anarchist.

I like that you think so as well.


In this example I would highly recommend to vet the new settlers. Especially to a violent past and that they are anarchist.

Maybe they want more security and support clearer property rights from the get go.

Maybe they are farmers and get the most fertile land and all divide it equall with each other with a guarantee and certain …

oh wait, I am in ancap mode right now, sorry

Welp, I am on purposefully not going to edit this comment now, I wanted to ask actually lefty anarchists, that's why I posted here in the first place.

Forever ago.

I doubt you're still banned but if you are you can appeal it and I'll lift it

I'm probably not still, but I'll get around to checking.

Question: what kind of economy are you even running there? Do people even have anything there except land?

I need 20 grenades and a machine gun. For reasons.

starting off with obligatory "ancap isnt anarchism because anarchism refers to the removal of all hierarchies, including private property"

Direct democracy. Re callable mandates that preform only tasks that have already been decided upon. "Rules" would probably simply be to not harm others, and build from there.
This is not how ownership works in anarchism. It is collective and is owned by everyone, that is, no one can modify a productive system without the agreement of others. Instead, people are given "usership", that is, they use the system/capital for whatever purpose, but they do not own it.
Recognizing that incaceration and execution really don't do anything, punishment will largely be medical rehab (actual medical assistance, not "lock em up and forget about em" like private asylums tend to do).
wow this is some hot autism and totally wont lead to anything bad nope
how would a paper with some ink scribbled on it change anything

i belave we would try to resolve are differences.
if we can't the 200 would succede, and the commune
would be partioned

Is this a world where capitalism still exists, or is this a post-scarsity socialist world? If the former, then we will just get killed by the nearest state.

capitalism still exists, but we have nukes, fam