We all know the soviet union doesn't disprove communism. We don't need to rehash old arguments.
Instead I was wondering how we could implement a communist system now, and I thought
By undeniably demonstrating that communism does work, we will gain support in leaps and bounds. We would transform into an actual movement, with at least as much support as Holla Forums.
I've always fancied this, but it's only you wacky Americans that give it this sort of thing a go.
Registering interest for a European attempt.
Problem is in the US it would pretty much be a no fun allowed commune because the FBI would probably be one of the first ten members.
there are already a lot of communes in the united states.
lol, I saw that mods
Kebab removed from the commune.
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I've actually read some books about a movement in Russia involving "homesteading". The books have a lot of esoteric stuff in them, but they also have a good plan of action when it comes to creating self reliant systems.
then we just have to get creative. maybe not call it a 'commune'
do they work well?
i'll have to look into that
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This is what Marx and Engels called "utopian socialism". It was BTFO in the 1800's.
You'll have to participate in the global market to survive. No territory has every resource needed to compete in the modern world. You're not going to meaningfully change the relations of production or abolish the state. It's not communism. It's a hippie commune.
they do work well enough. But that's the problem. They're insular and have little connection with the outside world.
Also let's face it, no one wants to live in a commune
Let me sing ya a little song about a place called jonestown.
So a commune can't import and export?
They can. They would be relying on capitalist countries who would like nothing more then to see them fail. So I wouldn't expect fair trade agreements or much prosperity.
why do we have to be competitive with the entire world?
Also you've got to worry about the economy of scale, the smaller you are the harder you'll struggle.
Because most people like the technology afforded to them by the modern world. How are you going to attract people to live on your commune? Will you have modern medical equipment?
And yet we see folks regurgitating utopian shit like that today, eg. The Invisible Committee.
Means. Of. Production.
Did you think about them? This is the first thing you should've thought about.
Also, you seem to be confusing Socialism and Communism.
The wealthy elites are effectively living under Communism already. There is nothing left to demonstrate.
You go North Korea route if you don't want to.
There's already SWAT teams raiding homes just for growing their own food and living off the grid, how the fuck do you pretend to survive as a socialist commune without the technology and weaponry of the US military?
This brilliant idea of founding a commune has been brought millions of times and it's bullshit, there's no way other than to build a mass movement to seize state power in order to build socialism.
Do you intend to seize state power in the whole world at the same time?
Got sauce on that?
Land of the free.
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Congrats OP, you've become a libertarian municipalist. Read some Bookchin!
And yes, demonstrating an alternative to capitalism is THE problem for the left to solve right now. There's loads of populist anger against the current system now, but no one agitates for serious revolution because they can't imagine what to put up once capitalism is overthrown. Butthurt M-Ls will suggest the necessity of a global dictatorship of the proletariat but that's almost insurmountably hard to achieve, and would result in massive amounts of reactionary sentiment within the general population.
A system of decentralized, democratic and moneyless communes is much more feasible, and could be put in motion RIGHT NOW in a lot of more rural areas, particularly in the USA.
There is the problem of capital; a commune won't have the resources to sustain itself unless it's totally independent from the capitalist economy. But hopefully such a communal communist movement could occur during a crisis, such as the recession which is due at any moment in the USA and Europe, where the government is weak, the people have nothing to lose, and mass repression looks a lot less attractive to those in power.
