Do you believe in a moneyless society? How can it happen?

Do you believe in a moneyless society? How can it happen?

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Burn all the money. Moneyless society achieved.

Full direct democracy. The population decides how resources are allocated democratically.

Simple.
Remove Profit.

More?

Ok. You could go with labor vouchers, distribution though algorithms, fully automated luxury communism…

Point is, end goal of socialism, anarchism, the left in general is a classless moneyless society.

If one does not want that, he is not part of the left.

direct democracy is shit, consensus or nothing

buttcoin

I need some of those…you know…need to build some bun- I mean socialism

I'm probably tye only one here but…no.

Basically you can't get rid of it. As long as there are private interactions between humans there WILL be money. If in my state we burned all the dollars and melted down all the coins tomorrow, then the day after tomorrow there would be several new moneys. In the north I know a few dozen towns would just revert back to using buckskins as currency since the only even completely stopped doing that only 45 years ago. (thats why people call dollar bills bucks) I'm pretty sure in my town weed would become the new money. In the towns next to me opiates would become the currency.

People interacting peacefully with each other, given enough time, makes a money be born. SOMEthing will become a money. Hell, it's NOT EVEN A HUMAN THING. Fucking baboons use sex for money! They trade sex for comfortable sleeping spots or extra food.

Money itself is not inherently evil, its capitalism and it's destructive nature and coersive

Hierarchy that is evil.

Pretty much this, unless of course we're talking about some distant society where new technologies and new forms of rationalization of the economy have made stuff like that have made trade and exchange as we know outdated.

I'm also kind of skeptical of how much people who are for a moneyless society (with present technology/information) have thought their ideal society through.

Yeah there wouldn't be a new medium of exchange based on a widely accepted commodity or anything (like cigars used to be in prison)

Those who say "no" are being subconsciously misleading.

The proper answer is "I don't know; I couldn't conceive of such a system myself with my current knowledge or lack thereof."

Communism.

Although, it's about creating such tech, I tend to believe we already have/could have in short time, the tech to go fullcommunism.

Cigars in prison! That's another good example. I forgot about that.
Capitalism can go fuck itself but a money of some kind will always exist and trying to ban people from using a money would work about as well as trying to ban them from giving each other gifts and presents.

Bitcoin. But it can only happen in a educated society (automatically white).

Prehistoric men, antique slaves, Middle-Age peasants, all of them lived without money.

Commodities in general were an exception, and the fact that this exception became a rule is precisely what defines capitalism. There will be no more money, no more commodities in communism.

Simple: picture yourself living the exact same day as usual, only without anybody asking you, or giving you money.

Go listen to some David Graeber. Moneyless economic interaction between people, based on credit, usufruct or gifts, have been the norm for much of rural/village society. Money as a medium of exchange is only necessary in larger, complex societies where you're interacting with strangers and across long distances.

I agree that current states couldn't survive without money; we'd need some kind of transitional system of credit or barter, or a lot of computerized central planning. But at the truly local level, moneyless interaction can easily be returned to.

something something m*rket socialism

How can you contradict yourself so much?

Must be the American Way.

Sort of.
Prehistoric men, yeah, slaves and peasants? Not as much. Depending on different areas SOMEthing was made into a currency. Jewls, coins, vouchers of some kind. Like someone else said, today we have cigarettes in prison, and if we destroyed all the USD tomorrow people interacting privately with each other will end up making something into a money.

That was then and this is now. My point is that the means of production can be taken, and capitalism can be done away with, buck skins, bitcoin, blowjobs, fucking bottlecaps if you meet a bunch of Fallout fans after the revolution.

One CAN'T ban money, and that's not a bad thing because without capitalism we're not chained up. We're free. No unemployment and no going hungry or thirsty or without shelter. There is nothing wrong with say, someone bringing me, a MASTER KNITTIER some wool and asking me to knit them a sweater with them smybol of communism on the front in exchange for three buck skins, or 0.04 bitcoin, or two blowjobs, or 30 bottlecaps.

Except he won't need to give you anything in exchange for his sweater. That's the point. The revolution will abolish trade, that is the very nature of capitalism. In other words, it will abolish commodities, all commodities including the one called "money".

But the idea is that I am the MASTER KNITTER and he just wants the sweater made. Oh, commodities are not allowed? Well this person desires one anyway. Will he put a gun to my head and force me to? Or he could just exchange something for it. It's not a bad thing.

And you will do it. For nothing in exchange. Crazy, huh?

I want my dick sucked for nothing in exchange. And you will do it

Are you sure about that?

….I will?
What?
Why?
The revolution is already done so my needs are already provided for me. I see no reason why fictional me would do it unless the other guy gives me a reason.

Dude, it's a fictional scenario about something that WILL happen. There are 7 billion people on the planet or something and eventually one of them might maybe just desire something. Like a pretty sweater maybe?

Yeah, I'm sure about that.

kek

i think cnt "abolished" money in 1936 catalonia
the had labour vouches instead ,
which is essentailly money

"Just don't call it money!"

You know horny fuckers traded labour vouchers for sex.

This way we have to trade a square centimeter of land for bread or some retarded shit. Actually consider suicide.

That's a type of currency you dolt.

Do you by chance have Australian aboriginal dna?

We can abolish money, as long as we bring back slavery. You can only have one or the other :^)

Then he can request one from whomever and accept their answer. Industry will still provide mass produced stuff. Want something especially hand made? Make a request. Humans are creative by nature, it is likely someone will want to make one for him. When money doesn't exist money will not be power like it is today, and status symbols to show off that power will be irrelevant so there likely won't be the same pressure to produce them.

I like gifting economies best but that is likely best suited for exchanges within communities or by large groups so their rapport level can be kept track of. For the rest you can have bartering. There also is labour vouchers but I realized these enslave people into work worse than money does if you are not allowed to pass it on to another person to buy things with but otherwise its fine but it works best as digital form. These systems work best if it is globally done, if it is just one country that risks isolation from resources that have to be imported.

hello autismo

No, think it's a rather dumb utopian ideal to be honest. So is the complete absence of a state. Whether you have a state distributing credits in automated luxury communism or people bartering for things with an intermediary currency, it all amounts to money being the most flexible way to exchange things in the end.

So capitalism existed before the 1600s? Do go on…

i said its essentailly money
yep money can't be eraced

so lets use gold or bitcoin

Vouchers can't be exchanged between private actors of any kind and can only be used to claim goods from a public outlet (at which point the voucher is destroyed/cancelled out).
If it doesn't circulate it's not a fucking currency.

No they couldn't be used for trade, since there won't be no trade.

You have nothing they can't get somewhere else, and they have nothing you can't get somewhere else. Even skills.

Yeah I see where you're coming from.

m8 you're high as fuck

99.99% of people did not buy their food, clothes, house, tools, etc. before capitalism (that is, for most of history).

It's actually terrifying to see how stating this simple fact can now make one called "high as fuck".

Wow, Stefan looks bad ass in this one

Uncle Karl sez

(Capital, Chapter 3)

Thanks.

It's true that there was no money, but they still exchanged goods between them. Someone once said that one of the main reasons why money came to be was because of this scenario:
Say you are a hunter and need more spears to hunt, you have skins that you would like to exchange for the spears. The guy who has spears doesn't want skins, but he would like some fish, so you go to the fisherman but he as well doesn't want your skins in exchange for fish, but he would like some pots, so you go to the guy with the pots and he as well doesn't want your skins, but he would like some bread in exchange for the pots. You go to the bread maker and he accepts the trade, so you get the bread in exhange for the spears, give it to the guy with the pots to receive some pots, then you give them to the fisherman for some fish and finally you give the fish to the spear maker for some spears. All of this could have easily been avoided if there was a common currency that everybody or almost everybody accepted.

Not as much as you seem to think. By far.

Thanks fam, I might save that to save myself having to dig through Capital or Critique of the Gotha Program every time some dumbass equates vouchers with money.

Not if you have central planning