DoJ requests DreamHost to hand over access logs and photos of millions of Trump protesters

get back to your containment board, Holla Forumsniggers

Are you implying the idea 1.3 million violent idiots existing is somehow hard to believe?

The few times I've seen them on Holla Forums they're chased out for being a bunch of idpol anti-intellectuals. Whatever antifa wants is a world that would never tolerate them to begin with. Their existence is a paradox

Regardless, James Woods is right, we might as well just wait for Civil War because that's all we have left to look forward too. The left continue actively blocking logic and reason while the right only get angrier and more irrational as a result. Something is going to give eventually because people refuse to fucking listen to anybody. It's only going to take one statue too many unless someone stops this madness

And when I say "left" I of course just mean the American left

They protect their commie brethren.

Oh please nigger. The whole world is coming apart at the seams. America is simply one of the few in the spotlight, because it's people are so splintered and fractured from years of lies and propaganda.

*The west

Western societies asserted themselves as politicians conducting political experiments a long time ago, and it's starting to bite us all in the ass as our political experiments one by one fail. From communism to overbearing bureaucracy. And the East just watches as the West collapses while they are allowed to take what worked from our experiments and trash what didn't.

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Holla Forums may be retarded but even they know the American Left is a big sham

If the west will let them and they won't as can be seen by the obvious provocations of certain countries which shall remain nameless

I sincerely hope you're not implying what I think you're implying about a certain country somewhere west of Japan run by a certain fat man with a name that sounds like an IT tech support specialist from California

I'd like you to think long and hard about what you're saying here and read my original post over a second time.

They're useful idiots. Soros's organization he used to suppress anyone resisting his planned cultural suicide in Europe. With their job overseas complete it now focuses on America.

Except Israel seems to be doing really fucking well. They've massively expanded and have nearly finished wiping out the Palestinians. Every country on their border is either controlled by them, in ruins (and guess who will be settling there to promote stability soon), or Jordan. I'd be scared shitless if I were in charge of Jordan. I'm curious how we're going to suddenly discover they're on the Axis of Evil seeing as they've been super friendly to the US for decades.

Jordon will suddenly be taken over by a dictator out of nowhere and the country will do a spontaneous 180 on their foreign policies overnight to provoke conflict with action's that really make 0 sense if you look at it any deeper than a newspaper headline

Oh, for some reason (((they))) went completely over my head because I thought you were referring to the far east

Considering I would be fine with Trump carpet bombing antifa, them getting access logs is perfectly fine.

never trust a chan with giving you advise on anything. it's ridden with oversensitive, politically opinionated manchildren

Nice strawman.

The real news here is, why are you implying that all 1.3 million _visitors_ to a website are criminals?

btw, Western civilization is much older than 2000 y

this is a fair and concerning point. what is an all-round alternative?

real commies during the USSR days were the bane of Islamists, whereas the Western right naturally was pro-Islamist before it fired back on 9/11.

not all commies are cultural relativists

njhomelandsecurity.gov/analysis/anarchist-extremists-antifa
They are recognized a terrorist group in New Jersey though... the only surprising thing is that they are not recognized as such in other states after the shit show that was Berkeley.

Yes, that image is exactly how I feel. Anyone who believes this is okay is directly contradicting most of what Holla Forums talks about on a daily basis.
You guys need to take your heads out of your ass and realize that once anti-government protesters start getting arrested for thoughtcrime, we are all fucked.
It has absolutely nothing to do with what beliefs those people hold, or even if some among them are violent(there are violent members of every group, that means literally nothing, there are also christians that blow up abortion clinics, and anime fans that attack people in conventions, groups don't define people), that does not mean they have the right to have logs of anyone vaguely associated with the people in the group.
"Terrorist" has been clearly shown to mean nothing except "person we don't like" in the past, and there is a good reason for that, it allows them to ignore the law to pursue them.
They don't need a trial, they don't need probable cause, they can do whatever the fuck they want.
This infringement on our freedom far outweighs any damage from scattered protests, once they take away that freedom, it is much, much harder to get back.

If dreamhost somehow avoids giving the files, that could possibly set a precedent in the future, IE, a rare opportunity to gain back lost freedom.
And it is very much a freedom regarding technology, so it is 100% related to this board.
This is a big deal, ignoring it and saying there is nothing you can do or that it doesn't matter is exactly what technologically and legally illiterate people did, and that is why we have these current opressive laws and government agencies in the first place.
Complacency and ignorance.

This is like saying anonymous is a terrorist group. It makes no goddamn sense if you bother to make the minimum amount of research.

Don't you get it, you freetard? It's okay when Daddy Trump does it. Kill net neutrality? Good, because I bet some Jews love it. Spy on us? Good because I bet he only intends to spy on leftists.
This place has been taken over by irrational elements on the right that can see no wrong with anything Daddy does, no matter how retarded it is. We're heading for a totalitarian police state, and whether that is a left wing or right wing police state will make no difference. Digital freedom and freedom in all forms will be squashed all the same. People became so afraid of SJWs and Marxists that they sided with fascists and Nazis out of a misguided belief that they weren't just as anti-freedom as the other side. It's over. This country is too polarized for anything to come of it other than violence and repression.

Quick user, grab your phone and go tell Homeland Security.
This is an ideology embodied in a (mostly) decentralized group; their members follow very specific goals and tactics. The point of calling it a terrorist organization is to be able to counter people who decides to follow that path and proudly call themselves antifa. It has nothing to do with the constitution of the group, but the damage that's done by a people following the movement.

So how do you know if someone is antifa or just some random protester? Because I'm seeing people who don't dress in all black, and who don't seem to be commies called antifa. I also didn't see a lot of protesters label themselves as antifa, even the ones breaking shit, so are they just random nobodies breaking shit, or do they belong to a terrorist organization? Because the distinction is important, otherwise we're going to start delving into a massive violation of civil rights. You might not care, because they're just leftists, but it's only a matter of time before that precedent is used against you.

You mean beside the flags, the signs, those who do wear black outfits, cover their faces (by the way, it’s illegal in Charlottesville) or sing “anti-fascist” stuff?
Okay, so you did find some... there you go, that's how you do it; now you investigate how much they are tied to a group of other people sharing the same belief system and willing to fuck shit up for "good reasons" in a "peaceful manner" (as reported by the MSM). Or you just make a bunch of arrests after they went medieval, and then you investigate.
Except the leftists got off scot-free, the other group was destroyed by authorities and media. If anything, it’s the leftists that will be next.
Look. My point is that the mayor is responsible for the shit that happened: the right-wing group asked for permission and got it; as far as I can tell, they marched in the street following a predetermined route with flames, and nothing happened. No fires, no violence, nothing. I'm not so sure the other group asked for permission to gather (or maybe the city wanted things to go as bad as possible): the street wasn't closed to traffic and there was no supervision (but somehow the media knew? What's going on?). Both you and I know how it's going to end, because that's how it ended in Berkeley:
Berkeley said they would no longer accept speaking engagement for security reasons... Charlottesville's police was ordered to close down on both group so they would clash. Their job is to make sure they are separated and no violence happen. Yet they did the complete opposite. At that point, it doesn't even matter if everybody on the right-wing gathering was right-wing, because those on the counter-protest think they were. Plus, you can punch anyone if you call them Nazis. On the video you can see some people just out there and enjoying the day, but they have a responsibility to pay attention to their surroundings. If you see a bunch of skinheads with bloody baseball bats walking your direction, you don't stay there. So why do you stay in a crowd of people holding signs asking for violence?! You know it'll go sour.

So having flags, signs, singing songs, or wearing certain clothes makes you terrorist now? I was for sure that was covered under the first amendment. Or can we go ahead and declare anyone associated with white nationalism a terrorist too? As for covering their faces, quite a bit of them had their faces uncovered. Are they antifa or not?
Yes, that would be legal, to arrest and investigate only people who actually committed crimes, not just someone that seems to hold a certain ideology.
Well, the leftists didn't ram a car into a crowd, and last I checked the media isn't part of the government. They don't have to treat anyone nice.
This has nothing to do with the topic of the thread. Now you're just trying to make moral equivalents, which may or may not be the case, but this is about surveillance of people simply because of opposition to the president. It was wrong when Obama did it and it's wrong when Trump does it. This is indefensible.

you asked how to know if someone is antifa or a random protester. nice strawman.
stopped reading right there tbh

The MSM already does this.

Except if that's how you're going to define antifa, then it's not really a good excuse to call them terrorists, is it?

The media is not the government. They have no obligation to be impartial. You should already know this, being on a *chan and all.

a shekel for a good goy

Not any flag, not any signs, not any songs, not any clothes. Those are signs that shows your alignment with others, see also: "gang signs and colors". It's your responsibility to check the credentials of people you follow. You can just brush whatever action you'll partake in with a "I was told I was the good guy fighting the bad guys". But let's go again: an organization with the explicit intent of destabilizing the country forms and creates a set of nodes and delegates organizers. People start to align with this organization, follow their leads, follow their beliefs, enact their policies. They uses symbols to recognize each other like uniforms. These symbols shows your belonging to that organization. Now, you investigate. You have a responsibility for the people you follow. If someone says "hey, follow me, we'll kill bad guys" and you follow, it's your responsibility, you can't just say "I was told they were bad people".
Investigate. Believe it or not, there's a whole organization of people paid to do just that.
Are you just paying attention now? archive.is/8KGx7
And that's all I want.
He was right-wing? How do you reached that conclusion? I'm asking for a friend who cannot recognize antifas.
But no, leftists didn't ram a car into a crowd... recently, "they" (as a whole, right) shot someone in cold blood instead (archive.is/4HUIR, and I'm sure they all concerted before he did so). And call for blood. And destroy things when they manage to shutdown's someone speaking engagement for hate speech, while tagging completely non-hate speech messages on private and public properties. Thanks for paying the $100,000 bill, residents caught in the crossfire.
True, it was an argument to your "massive violation of civil rights". Same setup, same outcome, party's canceled for everyone.

I don't think you understand what a strawman is.

lol

Except antifa isn't like a gang, just like anonymous isn't a gang. You may as well say that anyone wearing a MAGA hat is also in an "organization".
Now you're conflating actions with merely existing as part of an ideological group that has no real organization. I'm all for prosecuting people that actually partake in violence, but that's not what this thread is about, since these people are being surveilled merely for visiting a site.
Well, you lost me at organization. That is something anitfa isn't.
Except the only ones doing the killing this past week weren't antifa, were they? And the woman killed was not wearing black. Was not waving a commie flag, and really seemed like a regular woman. Or is everyone who protests white nationalists antifa?
Because we saw his facebook page and he's been involved in the white nationalist movement. That's a pretty big hint.
The problem is that the DOJ wants surveillance on people merely for visiting a site. This should not be accepted. You don't know that any of them are antifa, and you can't say that antifa is a terrorist organization because the most you seem to manage is saying that certain political ideologies should now be given different treatment than others, no matter their actions.

See, the problem is that you haven't thought through what you are implying. If you're going to say that someone is a terrorist because they are antifa, then define antifa as someone who doesn't seem to be a terrorist, then you can't well claim that these people are terrorists. I know, thinking about shit you say is hard.

What they do is in the name. People regrouping under the same banner isn't a group somehow.
I'm done.

No, because they partake in specific actions that are threatening to everybody involved.

I'm done.

The MSM already does this.
not an argument

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You said organization. Just like anonymous is not an organization, neither is antifa.

Then why use signifiers other than actions to decide who to target? Because so far these actions from the DOJ seem to be targeting people because of their beliefs and not their actions. If you're going to define anitfa as only rioters, then every single riot can be blamed on them, and every single person who dresses in black and is a commie fuck might not actually fit your new description of anitfa. Your problem is that you seem in tent, just like the DOJ, in grouping people together that might have nothing to do with each others' actions or lack thereof.

Yes, and the MSM is not a branch of government. They don't have to respect your rights. The DOJ, however, does.

Not an argument is not an argument, especially when it's been explained to you that the DOJ does have a responsibility to respect your rights. Thinking is hard for you, I guess.

To avoid friendly fire, to organize yourself... I know, I know "it's not an organization", but would you start a fight if you weren’t sure the people around you would offer support? How do you gather together at the same place, same clothes, with the same expecations of how the night will end? Anyway, uniforms and signs are also useful for social pressure and exposure ("see how numerous we are? are you're just all alone").
I'll try not to be rude. It's super hard. Bear with me. Now, what if I told you... squares are rectangles by definition. But that doesn't mean rectangles are necessary squares. Antifa thinks the end justifies the means: violence against nazis is okay. What makes a nazi? They don’t know, they are not here to ask questions or have a discussion. It’s all over your face. See "the Youngest Pope" tweet in ... I'm not going to be rude. I'll just put a comma here. There. And leave it at that.

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Hmm...

New from reddit, are you?

Why yes, of course I'm a newfag! As you can see, I tried to post the direct URL to the thread; there's just no way I could have mis-taped the threes "more than" symbols. I also cannot type "expecations" properly, a clear sign I'm mastering the use of my Goddamn laptop keyboard.

i never talked about any of this. your whole "argumentation" is one strawman after another. that is why it is not an argument

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It doesn't matter if you didn't mention something. This is what the thread is about. Or do you think the DOJ should be able to accuse people of terrorism just because they visit a site?

Fuck you. Now is the time to return fire, not contemplate the morality of the situation.

what a surprise

What the fuck am I reading? It is never not the time to act morally.
You're admitting you don't even consider what you want to do to be morally right, but you want to do it anyway. I can't think of any word for that but "evil".

Here's one: "Amoral: having or showing no concern about whether behavior is morally right or wrong"
Now fuck off with your emotionally manipulative bullshit.

You're retarded.

Nah. When you say "evil" you mean "amoral". But you just can't think of any other word.

the right never was about free speech idiot. what made anti-free-speech leftists so prominent as of late is the fact that this was unheard of and therefore scandalous.

i can mention two or three recent attacks on free speech by the right, which the Holla Forums bubble probably prevented from reaching your head, for every equivalent perpetrated by lefties you can come up with.

you could double the number of SJWs and there still would be more spine on the left than on the right. moreover, the left actually engages in self-criticism, as one can witness from reading this very cringy thread.

the alt-right is a MEME. get it through your head

Amoral only covers part of it. That term would also apply if the question of morality had simply never entered your mind, or if you didn't think about or understand "right" and "wrong" in general.
Whereas you consciously reject morality. Your post clearly implies that you think acting morally should usually be a consideration, but that for this case you are deliberately setting it aside and willing to act in ways you yourself might normally consider wrong. That is not adequately described by "amoral".

Not as much as your self-congratulation seems to think, given the absurd behaviour of the media.

That's a good one user.

just as bad tbh
mobile.twitter.com/torproject/status/898256109789687808
mobile.twitter.com/torproject/status/898256526741127168

So you are saying if someone were shooting at you, you wouldn't return fire because shooting people is wrong, right?

There is nothing wrong with fighting back, user.

The funniest thing about this post is that literally nothing in it is truth.

But all of them are commies.

I know you're having a laugh, but people actually genuinely think this way

outside the underground, which you _clearly_ aren't talking about, doxing has no effect on anything or anyone. get your head out of e-dramz

Of course I'm not saying it would be wrong to shoot if you had to.
But someone trying to shoot you is not the same as someone disagreeing with you, and shooting someone because you have no choice is not the same as giving away your own rights to spite them.

The shooting is just to illustrate a point: This is a fight. The left is doing their best to encroach on our rights, so who cares if we take away theirs?

It will be used against us now if we don't.

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What are you trying to protect though?
When someone is shooting at you you're shooting back to protect your life.
These people posting on a website does not kill you, so it's not your life you're protecting.
You're willing to throw away rights to stop them, so it's not your rights you're protecting.
You specifically say it's not about morality, so it's not because you think it's the right thing to do.
So what is it?

And what was the Right doing only a few years ago? Remind me, has it always been the Left who wanted to censor, say, games and books?

More accurately I am trying to get the other guy before they get me. Same thing here. AntiFa is organizing violence against people on the right, so doxing them and sending them to jail is a fairly tame solution.

You're really resorting to a "we're not so different you and I" speech? Kill yourself. Cuckservatives and anti gun leftists have been at a tug of war who can say the dumbest stuff about video games from the get go. Has literally nothing to do with AntiFa terrorists.

Not only was 'containment board' nothing but a meme spawned from butthurt faggots from the very moment it was conceived, but it can't apply to a website with user-created boards.

Some of us don't want a Maoist cultural revolution to occur in our countries.

Back to your containment board, Holla Forumsyps

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Fuck you too, Kike

Yes, I'm sure all of those 1.3 million people are personally participating in organizing the violence. And by the same token, you are culpable in the recent murder in Charlottesville, seeing as you visit far-right sites.

Of course, a history of, as you describe it, dumb censorship has nothing to do with the censorship you're promoting this time. The lefties say the same thing about communism.

Some of don't want totalitarianism of any flavour.

That guy is as innocent as Zimmerman.

He sped a fucking car into a crowd. It's as much murder as today's events in Spain.

I think you might be retarded.

Are we talking about the same thing? Are you telling me this guy didn't hit these people at high speed?
Come the fuck on. At least admit when someone on your side fucks up.

Stop bullying them, they can't even decide whether to defend the driver or attack him as they can't decide whether he's Jewish or not

nah

If I were trying to kill commies, I'd bring a truck, or at least a van, not a fucking Charger.

Feel free to post evidence of your claims. What I see in that image is a car plowing into a crowd at high speed, with evidence that it has been travelling through the crowd at high speed for a significant distance. I do not see baseball bats.

I don't know what could go on in someone's mind to make them think that refusing to justify political murder means I endorse the ethnic replacement going on in the West.

That is the thing about muscle cars. They go from zero to 60 really fucking fast. That is the point of having one. To go really fast, and do so quickly. His car was attacked, he got the fuck out of there. Dumbass.

Also
pick one

This is the way to make sure the ones who were get punished for it.

Which is exactly why I am forced to fight for the opposite side and encourage their tactics against them, because they will not afford me any freedoms or luxuries, so I will treat them in kind.

May as well copy South Korea's attempted law and require websites to make you log in with your real name and government ID number. That way you'll be sure to track down all of them. Who wants anonymity? As long as you're not doing anything illegal you have nothing to fear.

On second thought, despite this being an attempt at hyperbole I wouldn't be surprised if you thought it was a genuinely good idea.

Driver was in the right. Roads are made for vehicles, not protests. If some neo-nazis were blocking the road I was going down, I would run them over. Fuck people that stand in the middle of the road.

This isn't a dragnet. They're being served a warrant because terrorists are conspiring on their service.

This.

You can certainly try to run them over and you would be hunted down by the police for your behavior. If there are protesters on the road, the proper way to deal with them is to call the police and wait for them to move the protesters. Taking lives into your car because you're impatient is nothing short of manslaughter and can easily be considered murder and terrorism.

nope, driver was right.

nice evidence and rebuttal stock silence filler

find relevant studies and polls on the subject of free speech and personality traits in relation to political affiliation. read some history books. what else can i say to help you overcome a massive selection bias?

where did you go for law school? Trump University or PragerU ?

nice evidence and rebuttal stock silence filler

find relevant studies and polls on the subject of free speech and personality traits in relation to political affiliation. read some history books. what else can i say to help you overcome a massive selection bias?

where did you go for law school? Trump University or PragerU ?

The protestors shouldn't be on the road in the first place.

I guess everyone left of Richard Spencer is now antifa.

is that you Reich-Wing Watch?

nice rebuttal.

this is why you fail to own your own violent criminals: you agree to them. they are the jihadists, you are the passively-aggressive islamists.

and people still feel smeared when we point out that self-criticism isn't a virtue on the right. back to your Holla Forums safespace.

no wonder your shitty politics never take off from the fringe

i wish they had been a violent antifa mob. at least that way they could have defended themselves with their bats. nor will i object to violent groups killing each other out of existence.

I did the research, and the results were not surprising. user, you're a lefty faggot.

Dont you have summer reading to do or something, kid?

Thank you antifa for making alt-right faggots butthurt enough to come and shitpost in Holla Forums

no charger is fine.

How many have these 'terrorists' killed?

one childless landwhale

Oh ok let's read that frontpage together:

aka opposing perfectly legal action
aka disrupting perfectly legal action

What's wrong with trying to find violent protesters in legal way?

They attacked the peaceful protest outright you ignorant shit. They had large sticks in place of baseball bats, and they were attacking cars trying to pass through that area.

Yeah seems they learned from before what assholes that makes them look like.

Chargers are smaller than vans user, this means a much smaller potential attack vector, less surface area to mow people down with. Ideally someone would've used an armored truck used by some police agencies or a tank

Also while we're comparing vehicle horsepower, it's impressive Ford was able to get 647 HP out of the GT 2017 with just a fucking EcoBoost V6. It really goes to show just how inefficient modern car designs are and how much more efficient they can be with careful engineering.

Why not make your own board, 8ch was design for this very purpose.