The 80's is usually seen as a very bourgeois time, but people in the soviet union looked like pic related

the 80's is usually seen as a very bourgeois time, but people in the soviet union looked like pic related

does this prove that it's impossible to build socialism in one country? or does it just prove that the ussr fell to revisionism?

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I don't think fashion necessarily correlates directly to politics. This is a bad thread and you should feel bad.

The USSR was a Bourgeois state.

Economic "liberalization" was a serious mistake gorby should be dammed for all eternity for allowing.

Social liberalization not so much.

Why do people respond seriously, and without saging, to shitposts relating the way men part of certain subculture looked like to the ideological roots of a country?

This shit, the continuous inability to discern worthless garbage is what is killing the board.

What fashion has to do with anything?

Have even read Marx?

fam if fashion/culture are not important then why did stalin ban jazz?

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Because he was nuts

Wat.

Stalin never banned jazz. There was some Polish musician who got into politics, didn't win and got caught doing illegal stuff, but that's hardly "banning jazz".

This, he was a paranoid reactionary dictator.

i thought he did, though i could be wrong

Kill yourself, faggot.

rude tbh

No. There was some political infighting between different musical lobbies in late 40s and some overeager politician did call jazz "burgeous music", but I don't remember Stalin getting involved or jazz actually getting banned.

Assuming we are talking Eddie Rosner (the guy who is quoted as an example of oppression), he organized jazz-band in his gulag out of prisoners. There is no way to spin it as jazz actually getting banned in USSR even if we look at him and only at him (there were dozens other musicians who weren't affected and continued to perform).

so that's a false example, but didn't stalin do other cultural/nationalistic things?
there was a thread where people were quoting something stalin wrote on how the nation state and nationalism are good things during socialism

Like what? Stalin was head of "cultural/nationalistic things" for quite a few years in early Soviets.

Stalin also wrote a lot. Beginning with his "Marxism and the National Question" (1913) and ending with post-war anti-cosmopolitism campaign (up to early 50s): Bolsheviks wanted to differentiate their Socialist Internationalism from pro-capitalist movement to implement some sort of bureaucratic super-UN.

So I can't really help here.

This.

but i mean if stalin believed that there was a specific kind of socialist culture to be promoted over what came from the west, what was the deal with soviet people having mullets?
is the culture of a non-socialist country influencing a socialist country a symptom of socialism being undermined on more fronts?

Bands like Kino were popular because they were "western". They look western, influenced by western punk bands.
Another example is Dean Reed, an American who moved to the DDR and became popular because he made american music - even though he hated america.

I'm really not following what's wrong with dressing this way. People should be more adventurous with fashion anything outside of the bourgeois fashion industry is a viable outlet for creating emancipatory culture imo.

also dude on the left is hot

tfw the best soviet musician was a nazbol

Stalin died in 1953. 30 years before OP happens (Kino: 1982-1990).

What are you talking about?

Unless it complete cultural dominance with suppression of local culture - no.

Cultural exchange was explicitly supported in USSR. Primarily with Socialist states, of course, but with Capitalist states too. Though the latter often refused to cooperate or broke previous agreements, like USA did in 1979.

Fashion as a method of showing off income would cease, but I don't see why aesthetic expression should stop.

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