Hoxha

Then who would you say implemented Leninism properly?

What are you then?

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I figured :-)

Lenin, whose major failure was losing the war against Poland.

He was in power for like 4 years, don't you have any other examples?

Is there basically any answer that would satisfy you or are you just here to b8?
I'm cool either way, just don't want to waste my time.

I truly want to look into Leninist theory further, but I'm always confronted with the image I have of existing examples of Leninist praxis. Granted, much of it is anti-communist propaganda, but I still feel there is some truth to the slander thrown at Leninist states. I'm just trying to understand what leftist branch I most agree with, and if you could just convince me on Leninism I would really appreciate it.

No, every single self-declared Leninist after that came to the power being a puppet of the USSR.

I'm sure there are plenty of desperate leninists that would take you, but, you are basically out to force a belief into your skull instead of doing the actual work and reasoning to come to a right conclusion.
You are pretty much worthless as revolutionary material.

So, Trotsky, Stalin, Mao, and basically the entire historical heritage of Lenin wasn't leninism?
Idealism is off the charts.

Trotsky is the true successor of Leninism.
Marxism-Leninism is pretty much another branch.

Stalin worked with Lenin, so he was a Leninist until he changed in the 1920's and became the Stalin we know, hardly a Marxist.
Trotsky was merely on the winning side, he didn't join the Bolshevik party until 1917.
And Mao, yeah, no, Mao wasn't a Leninist.

Trotsky promoted exactly what Leninism didn't.

Oh, and just to let you know, Lenin spawned at least a dozen schools of leninism that essentially hate each other, and denounce every other branch as "revisionist." Getting into leninism is a wasted project, because the discourse of each school is largely on large schlock of propaganda, most of it made up.
Trotskyist, Stalinist, Maoist, Hoxhaist, Titoist, Lukacsist, whatever Zizkek is doing, whatever Sankara did, and a bunch of others I don't care to remember right now. Hell, at some point there were such things as anarcho-bolsheviks.

See

All these schools merely represent Capitalistic geopolitical interests (+ the intellectual masturbation of Zizek and Trotsky being retarded).

You do realize you are just proving me right, right?

You're wrong on that getting into Leninism is a wasted project (Lenin triggered and directed the only successful revolution of its kind so far), but you're right on the massive amount of schools existing that are, for the most past, made of unsecure guys with a boner for authority but also for social justice.

Fuck the admins of this site.

1) LENIN triggered? Seriously, how idealist can you leninist kids be?
2) ONLY successful revolution (and successful is a bit of a stretch seeing as it failed to achieve its goal)? What about China, Korea (both the Anarchist Manchuria and the Juche North), Spain? Ukraine? Cuba? Etc.
3) Historical schlock propaganda: check.

Everyone else's leninism is wrong and they are faggots - only I'm right. Check.

Now that you've so irrevocably proven me right, I'd suggest the only sensible advice for OP is to pick a single school on pure faith and take it from there.

Alternatively, you could do actual studying and research, but you've proven you don't have the brains for that.

Well, seems like Leninism really is a dead end. Didn't matter much either way, since I'm worthless as revolutionary material :-)

You are taking this remarkably well.
Now fuck of, you piece of trash.

Thank you master

He's a meme, but he still industrialized and educated albania

On Holla Forums he is a meme, but this coming from a board that caters primarily to anarco-kiddies, market socialists, mautists and an assortment of other pseudo revolutionaries; needless to say I'd take take their assessment of the man with a grain of salt.

Hoxha was good at combating anti-proletarian ideologies within Albania.

He did more than most of us probably will in our lifetimes. He industrialized Albania and improved their living conditions significantly, and got rid of some of the giant spooks of their country, at least for a while. He also was a paranoid, dogmatic maniac that killed a lot of people for no reason and made albania into something like what North Korea is today. Isolated, militaristic, cult of personality, crazy.

Hoxha is like your dad. You don't have to worship him or make extreme value judgement about him. You acknowledge the good and criticize the bad and learn for the future. Most of Holla Forums is in my opinion too harsh on early people attempting to materialize marxist principles. They didn't have anyone to shit on or learn from like we do, it was all blind speculation.

Well, the thing is that marxists won't ever admit they were making shit up as they went because all their actions were allegedly sanctioned from the beginning by marxist religion. So they get no excuse for speculating but then pretending their speculations were science.
And maybe with LeLnin you have a very, very, very slim argument for "well we had no historical experience" (but that's bull too because the bolshies made massive wankery out of the Paris Commune, and even then Anarchist had made a revolutionary territory in Mexico in 1914), but Hoxha not only had plenty of predecessors to learn from (something he refused to do), but also his entire intellectual career was shitting on every other leftist ever for failing to agree with his rigid vision of anything

Any moderately functional system ought to have a means of preventing "paranoid, dogmatic, maniacs" from assuming absolute control and massacring without reason, so I can't really see any compelling arguments in favor of continuing to follow Marxist-Leninist thought.

But he sent his people to build stuff, like the pharaohs did, doesn't that count?

hoxha was a good guy and actually helped develop albania greatly
and people in albania do have a favorable opinion if him, if they happen to actually know about him

also, disregard anarkiddy and anti ML shitposting
they're retarded faggots and accusations against hoxha are baseless faggotry

people jerking off to kakalonia as their only true "success" are a pathetic joke and deserve nothing but gulag

You don't need to be an anarchokiddo to see how shitty Hoxha's supreme reign was.

Building bunkers isn't "development".

tankiddie triggered

Pure ideology.

I agree with you, but I really don't think a faggot like you is in place where there can call anyone else out.

How so?

You think the bourgeois state apparatus can bring about Socialism

no he doesn't

Oh, he's a Socdem… why are they even allowed on this board?

So much revisionism itt

You are only a true Marxist when you build bunkers

Trotsky created American neoconservatism. He can rot in hell for all I care

Culture is a spook