Oh, if you're a communist, why do you have a cellphone? lol checkmate you fucking pinko

How do I counter this argument?

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"You serfs want to overthrow feudalism? You do realise the pitchfork you're using was made by feudalism right?"

Probably the worst argument ever.

Of course we have to use the tools produced in this stage of historical reality.

We're not going to be able to overthrow capitalism if we don't eat, yet due to the nature of capitalism we can largely speaking only eat by engaging in the capitalist economy. That is just the nature of reality.

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Didn't mean to greentext

In the same vein, just saw this on /n/

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how were any of those caused by socialism? bernie-tier ngl

Sure, it's not a need - but it's damn useful in today's world. I also don't need the internet, or more than one pair of shoes, or to shave or to use shampoo, or to drink a beer with my friends, or to watch movies or read books.

The answer to a shitty society is not to simply refuse to engage in it. It's to change it.

I understand your point, and it is a fine line - sure. I mean, I wouldn't use that logic to justify becoming a capitalist CEO. But the reality is that these things are "every-day" commodities of capitalist production, and to stop using them because of that fact is cutting off your nose to spite your face. The act of not buying a smartphone doesn't change the nature of global capitalism at all

do you have autism?

It's a piss-take of those "made by capitalism" things.

Those things were all made by humans in society. Whether they were made by those humans under capitalist economic relations or socialist ones doesn't make any real difference to whether they are useful or desirable or not.

Try competing in job market without phone.

the point

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Phones are not inherently products of capitalism. Such devices could very easily exist in a socialist or communist society. They are merely products of a manufacturing process, as well as a design team. Nothing more, nothing less.

The commodities you use are made by workers,not capitalism.

This.

Now, the point is not without value (buying Chiquita bananas is objectively bad thing, for example; steal them, at the very least), it doesn't hold water in most cases.

I'll do you one better:

Succinct and to the point. Fukken saved.

You can't because it's not an argument

They are essentially saying that if you're not a capitalist you should leave society and if you don't your a hypocrite who should just shut up. This is fucking idiotic and taken to its logical conclusion any criticism of the status quo is illegitimate because you live under the status quo.

Do anyone have that image with the king telling some guys to go make another kingdom elsewhere?

"Leonid Ivanovich Kupriyanovich (Russian: Леонид Иванович Куприянович, born July 19, 1929) was a Soviet engineer from Moscow who is credited for early development of a mobile phone device. In 1961 Leonid Kupriyanovich presented a pocket automatic radio phone which could fit in the palm of a hand. This pocket mobile phone weighed only 70 g and had 80 km operating distance."

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Well they're both made under capitalism.

Which further highlights the stupidity of the "but it's made by capitalism!" argument

Capitalism as an entity is merely the hierarchical organization of the economy based on private property. It doesn't make anything.The cellphone was made by workers who are being exploited by capitalism.

You are not against large scale industrial production, but against the current type of its ownership and its means of distribution.

You stop using corporate goods and start living a self sufficient life.

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Go home Ted Kaczynski.

Slavery MADE the cotton you wear and you want to abolish it? haha hypocrite :^)