The worker who becomes a policeman in the service of the capitalist state, is a bourgeois cop, not a worker.
Of late years, these policemen have had to do much more fighting with revolutionary workers than with Nazi students. Such training does not fail to leave its effects. And above all: every policeman knows that though governments may change, the police remains.
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They are workers, everyone who has to sell their time in exchange for survival is a worker.
Wow. like, wow. i cannot believe you would be such a class traitor, advocating to kill proles.
#notmycomrade
#bluelivesmatter
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They are workers, they are not comrades though. I don't get why some people here think we should love every single worker like our own son or something. They've probably forgot that the goal of communism is to abolish the proletariat, not to glorify it.
Free bump for these sages.
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You can't just go around handing out free bumps for everyone.
There is militia in communism but cops are enforcing capitalism and should be viewed as enemy soldiers.
Free bumps for every prole.
one of the many things we can thank the shooters for is that they have drawn a hard line between the liberals and the actual leftists everywhere with their actions.
About the lastest shooting against the police:
To many communities in America, the Police have become nothing but an occupying force. I see nothing inherently wrong in shooting back at them and demanding self-management.
The hard line between liberals and leftists is having theory.
The police are often brainwashed but they are obviously acting against class interests and are technically, though unwittingly, class traitors. They ought be opposed, but in that opposition also to be liberated and educated.
OK but with what goal in mind? What does that accomplish?
Now people know the cops are not immortal. That armed resistance is a possibility. That one can rise up and demand self-mangement.
This.
It's a hostile occupation and every dead cop is a victory against the occupiers.
But how effective would that actually be? Doing that would just get you labeled as a terrorist and drone strike'd.
This shooter also proves that ex-military/veterans have pretty great revolutionary potential.
I would imagine a cop would think twice about killing indiscriminately when his head might be turned into a fine red mist by a retaliatory sniper's bullet.
Al-Qeada got drone-striked for like a decaded. seven trillion dollars later they got their own state now.
So insurrection works just fine.
But if the targets are random cops, doesn't that just make them afraid all the time as opposed to afraid of doing anything specific to provoke an attack?
Yes, and when they're afraid they more willing to let those communities rule themselves, because noone wants to die.
B A S E D
Not him, but really, how are politicians and police going to respond to this? I can't possibly imagine anything good coming from this. I have no sympathies for dead cops, but this was just poorly thought-out and makes us look bad and people turn away from us even more than they already have. It really lacked foresight IMO and potentially fucked us over just to shoot a dozen random cops.
If you're gonna kill cops for political ends, it'd be more effective to kill famously corrupt ones who got off scott-free then just some randos non-leftists don't have a reason to hate or believe they deserve punishment. Like said, though I know he'll probably disagree with the rest of this post.
OH FUCK
What the fuck? Al-Qaeda hasn't done shit in years. You know terrorist groups aren't interchangeable, right?
It was just one (apparently) guy who got pushed over the edge. How does it make us look bad?
Al-Qaeda runs all of the "rebel-held" areas in Syria, and ISIS is just an Al-Qaeda spinoff. Also, Taliban is another great example. They hold more territory in Afghanistan than they ever have since our invasion.
Why do we have to compete with Power on their terms? Why not point out that each time innocent black proles die, innocent cops die.
ISIS is literally a break-off from Al-Qaeda. A whole lot of them started off as Al-Qaeda members, and now because of continued insurrection, they got themselves a fucking state.
For their racist groups, yes.
Not for us, shithead.
There was absolutely no locus around which antagonistic tendencies at the anti-police repression demos could orientate their practical activities and mental conception of what is possible. Seriously, before this, it was just your average bloc Bros and *official* BLM trying to make people feel good about sitting down and not doing shit.
Next time there's a demo, Dallas will be on everyone's mind. Rifts, fractures within a large mass *will* make it clear that their is a decision point to be reached from within the crowd the second first window gets smashed.
Don't try to track public opinion on this. Public opinion will never show itself to be overwhelmingly in favor of communist maneuvers. Trace the energy at the demos. Sustained, determined and repeated street level action *will* be accompanied by organizational and theoretical production for that space in time.
I wish it wasn't Dallas that set this crystallization into play but reality moves in messy ways and consciousness takes many strange steps along its path, either elements leaping over others, some withdrawing to previous comfortable stages, new elements being drawn in and developing rapidly from kumbaya to motherfucker help me tip
over this dumpster.
question. Does this 'cops are bourgeois' apply universally, or just in the US? Cause most countries the cops don't kill people in the streets.
military opinion is roughly 50/50 Trump/Bernie.
yeah but you're a massive faggot lad, far more concerned about fighting fascism than promoting anything leftist.
This guy was a racist.
are you fucking kidding me m8
the vast majority of police forces behave just as bad or worse than American police. You think that the fucking swedish police force is the norm?
I'd rather live in liberal capitalism than fascism anyday
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his actions speak louder than words. He only killed cops.
They should be afraid, and made so afraid that they either stop leaving their stations or stop being cops all together.
I agree with you that ideally killings should be targeted and not an end of themselves, but I don't give any truck to this bullshit "but think about all the potential negative consequences!" stuff, especially since ultimately it all comes to the same end anyway.
Either the police continue to grow more militarized and totalitarian because people aren't doing anything, or they become more militarized and totalitarian in response to armed resistance. The entire point of a police force is to protect private property and control the behavior of the people, and playing nice isn't going to change or ameliorate that.
Which in the long view, the more totalitarian the cops the more people will grow to hate them as their indiscriminate brutality negatively effects more and more people.
That isn't to say "do whatever" without any thought to what might come after, but there's always some fucking faggot that wants to speak up about the poor cops and public opinion or bullshit like that and then offers no real answer to the ongoing theme of cops murdering people in the street and walking away scot-free.
In my opinion it should be made clear that as soon as you put on that uniform you've not only chosen a side but the wrong side and that you're fair game, whether you're a "good" cop or not.
Once communist measures are being initiated by the masses, the cops will provide you with enough proof about where they stand.
This incident is already generating good shit. Last two days this board was overrun by cop apologists and look at it now.
Alton Sterling was shot justifiably.
He also raped and impregnated a 14 year old.
Yet you defend him because he was black. Racist.
European police in general rarely shoot to kill, if shooting at all.
Is 'fighting' against fascism the same as fighting for socialism?
Fuck off m8
lol fuck off shitposter
That's not how the system works. People who've committed crimes are supposed to be tried, not shot by some jumpy faggot who forgot that he told the guy to get his ID a moment ago.
Do you understand that "European police" is a small minority of police? Try and tell this bullshit to people in South America, Africa, Asia, etc. who are daily harassed by corrupt and murderous pigs.
You better be talking about nonlethal weapons, because there is very little more retarded than shooting to maim or disable.
He had a gun and was resisting arrest for his lumpen activity.
All of you LARPing liberals and anarchists are going to get what's coming to you for being whiteys.
Even in Westernized countries they're basically the state's armed thugs. Japanese police (to say nothing of the cops in Singapore) are renowned for their brutality. Not only that, but in many places they've basically replaced the Yakuza, running protection rackets, smuggling, pachinko parlors, etc.
A cop per se isn't a bad thing, especially in the idealized form as a public servant meant to protect the public in general and prevent crime, but such individuals are so far outside the norm as to basically not exist.
Nope. In France they use live rounds and aim for the legs where possible.
Your inability to handle nuance is telling. Are you judging individuals by their actions or just going full collective punishment?
Go be a slave somewhere else.
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A slave to reason.
He wasn't a leftist, he was an afrocentrist racist.
Get it through your thick skull before one of their 9mms does.
As long as they wear the state's uniform they are synonymous
so where are all the white proles this ebil racisss killed?
A slave to your love for massa.
It's a penis
Let's meme it Holla Forums, meme a Nazi masturbation fantasy so big that niggers are wiped out clean of the States.
Let's do it, comrades.
Because they don't read Zizek.
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fuck off retard, we are meming that the cops would be the ones wiped out
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Could just as well be agent provocateurs. Not that I think cops would go so far as to shoot their own.
Reminder that some states just made attacking the police a 'hate crime'
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This is basically the only user who I've seen in either this thread, or the earlier one about the shooting, with whom i agree. Cops, technically and legally, have two, often contradictory roles. One is to protect and defend the public from crime. But the overriding role is to protect private property and uphold the status quo. The only way I can see cops, who in all fairness are paid a wage for their labour, would become class concious, is if they split the roles into two organizations. In that situation, however, the public police and private police would come into conflict, thus the state will never separate them like that. I do think that many police are attracted to the job from a false and romanticized view that their job will be them protecting people who can't protect themselves and bring justice to those who harm others. That is, unfortunately, only about 5% of their job. I wouldn't be surprised if that 5% would join a leftist revolution, but the other 95% will be too power hungry, jaded, or deluded by the state to stand against it. Any prole who fights on behalf of their capitalist masters is not a comrade, whether it's a cop or a warehouse worker.