Quick Question You History Buff Ass Dudes

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Makes me very wary of your claims. So what would be the alternative. Does calling oneself Nation Socialist cover the religious aspect of life? I have been reading and seeing the terms like Neo Paganism, Germanic Heathenism, Odinist, and other terms. I am just want input from anons position.

Well its a question I can't pinpoint, but Christianity was, in the beginning, started with Jewish people and apostles. It was not exclusive to Jews though, this was a big point. They preached to anyone and everyone. Can it really be propaganda though, that's a tough question and depends on perspective of thought. Christianity to me during the New Testament seemed to pinpoint hypocrisy at Jewish religion. You can point to many quotes that criticize the way Jews allowed things to happened at the time.

Moving to another point, as time passes, I believe institutions can be subverted or inadvertently be redirected to mean something different than what was originally meant. People have opinions on topics, people in power have obligations and personalities that just change the tide of a nation. Someone steers the boat slightly but 500 years later you are way off course. In regard to that, surely some people have conjectured of the past 2,000 years to show who or what caused Christianity or Christian nations to rise or fall. But don't forget civilizations are organic and have ages of prosperity and dark ages. Its too complex for me to decide so let's pick some people who have a good basis on this topic in regard to Christianity and subversion. Martin Luther "The Jews and their Lies" or his other books and biographies. This is important because he created Protestantism which is what a lot in Western Europe and America are, and we need to know what his opinions were on this issue. Kevin MacDonald might have something in his books pertaining to Jewish subversion, maybe culture of critique? Eastern Orthodoxy is a big part of practicing Christianity closer to the first few hundred years after Jesus's time. I don't know any writers Eastern except for Dostoyevsky who was a philosopher, he has some things to say about Orthodoxy and cultural marxism.

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Just because someone points out the differences between things, doesn't mean they are actually acting on them. It's all passive.

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No. Fuck off.

Reported.

Just keep the traditions you already have, but clean them from jewish influence, like hitler was trying to do.

Mix christianity with european paganism but give emphazis to saturnalia, instead of crusading for jerusalem.

Christianity is already dying, and the bleeding won't stop. National traditional religions should be the way if we want a lasting civilization.

Reported for what, pointing out inconsistencies and lies in your religion?

Do historical facts trigger you that much?

The Jews tried so hard to destroy Christianity and still do. In the Protocols of Zion (which so far have all came true except for the establishment of a World Government), it says to destroy Christianity and promote atheism. Look what filled the void without Christianity. Even Dawkins had to admit that Christianity was a bulwark against things far worse, it's an incredible way to admit defeat. You might not like Christianity and there's a lot of things "cucked" about it in modern times but we still have no replacement for it. Who is going to be the new European God and faith? We can't go without one, because it's the only things stopping everything from getting worse.

The emperors who did that were not Christian.

Revelation 2:9-
"I know your afflictions and your poverty–yet you are rich! I know about the slander of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan."
Revelation 3:9-
"I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars–I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you."
Oy Vey good Goy! Don't read the Bible! Have no morals!

No Christianity is not some Jewish attempt to subvert the goyim. It is a EUROPEAN religion. Christianity is anti Judaism, Christianity acknowledges the decentralization of man into many different, but equal in the eyes of the Lord, nations. Judaism views all other people as slaves to the Jews.

As i pointed out, christianity has outlived its usefulnes after the invention of mass media, the jews are simply finishing to clean their mess (look up vatican 2, it was a last counsel aimed at imploding the chatolic church)

Christianity was Judaism that allowed anyone into the club.

Other Jews couldn't stand that because they're insular evil special snowflakes who are think they are chosen above all others, so according to the talmud, they went and murdered Jesus.

The end.

Both Orthodox Christians and Orthodox Jews might be the only real carriers of their faith and people today.

No, its not. Wich is why its considered a semitic religion.

How is it a European religion if it is made from Arabic people/belief?
Hitler wasn't a fan of mixing anything, hence why his movement started National Socialism. That was his religion.
But are you sure "Jews hate Christianity, Jews tried to destroy Christ, Christians isn't a Jewish movement" isn't just lies and smoke n mirrors? Cause, if you haven't noticed. They are pretty good at that.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_migrant_crisis

If the jews get their way, it's pretty obvious.

Christianity is based off of ancient Jewish folklore, which is in turn based off of ancient middle eastern folklore. It has no direct connection with ancient European folklore.

Jews don't like Christianity because Jesus was probably the only real "good Jew" to ever exist. He saw what the local Jewish leaders were doing and didn't like all the kikery. He started preaching love, compassion, and how to not be a backstabbing, shekel-grubbing kike.

So the Pharisees pulled a typical Jewish move and accused Jesus of heresy and had him killed. But by then the movement started and Christianity was born.

Christianity today is cucked to hell. The Jews have infiltrated the Catholic church, both Roman and Eastern Orthodox, and the various Protestant faiths.

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Reported for being a kike shill.

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Dubs respect dubs, but no it isn't. Jews we know today have spent hundreds of years subverting Christianity. It is not Semitic it is European. How can one look at the history of Christian nations objectively and not realize this? Everything European has been subverted by Jews and this includes Christianity.

Yeshua was a Semite, he belonged to a Semitic tradition and preached in that tradition to other Semites. Cuckstianity is a Semitic religion. It's also spiritual marxism which was used to by race traitors to justify the murder of European traditionalists and the destruction of European heritage. Cuckstians then invited Semites to hold power over finance and politics through royal courts and churches. This system was used to turn the lower class into land-bound slaves with no education.

Semites control our economies and politics because of Semite worshipers. Semites were let into our nations by Semite worshipers. Semites are defended to this day by Semite worshipers. Even now, the Semite worshipers call for our borders to be dissolved and our traditions to be replaced.

All christcucks are race traitors.

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No it is not, fuck off. I just want clarity of what anons think about CHRISTIANITY. Fuck off kike.

The oldest Christian, and therefore Jewish, texts are not written in any Semitic language. They are in Greek ffs.

Christianity is perfect Jewish propaganda because it introduces you to their religion, it's ethos is hippie-esque nihilistic pussy bullshit, and it fits in perfectly with a global agenda. If it wasn't for the state of the Roman Empire, being in decline and everything, it would have never spread like it did. It's the religion of those without hope, Jesus preached of an impending apocalypse for crying out loud. Early Christianity was filled with people eating and drinking at cemeteries with their dead family members and created martyr cults. It's death-centered and implants an indulgence of wishful thinking in you, i.e. "I'm not really dying, I'm going to sleep until Judgement day." It implants an indulgence of self-pity for mankind, and curses violence and war, the thing white people are better at than any other human being. Christianity is just a vessel of the kike.

So National Socialism does cover being of real European decent/belief. None of that Arabic shit?

Because the history of european nations dosent start at the adoption of christianity. Remove your blondfolds please.

Christianity was spread in the roman empire by a diaspora of displaced jews after the romans destroyed judea, it was literally a BLM-like movememt designed to destabilize and subvert roman society.

How the fuck some Holla Forumsacks refuse to understand simple facts is astounding to me.

It's all in the open, christianity is a lie.

Why do you think NS was so heavily associated with european mythologie and the thule society?

National Socialism is a political ideology ambivalent towards religion insofar as doctrine is concerned. It only advocates that the main religion be controlled by the state in some way.

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Because it is fucking bad ass.
So the Roman Empire was the first attempt at National Socialism?

Nigger, nothing we know about "ancient" history is true. It's all Jewish propaganda. Even speaking of Greeks or Romans you are speaking of(in respect to the Abrahamics) much younger civilizations and peoples.

I mean this as, Jews have written themselves as "FIRST" if you believe any many stream chronology. What we know about the region based on research is it was European long before shit skins showed up.

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It would be tinfoil to consider it to be intentional, but it in hindsight, it may as well been.

To understand Christianity, you have to understand the Roman Empire in 300-400AD. The Roman gods were trash, people were aimless and there were plenty of cults sprouting everywhere to take advantage of this vacuum, Christianity being one of them. For a better look into this, consider reading The Path of Enlightenment in the Mithraic Mysteries by Evola, it's only about 25 pages long. Mithraism was a true mystery school, while Christianity was promising immortal life to the plebs the same way a socialist promises gibs to the plebs for power.

Then you take into account that the Christian priests had a monopoly on Latin literacy, or being the gatekeepers for all archived Roman information during the Dark Ages, and you being to realize just how much Christianity held Europeans back.

The nazi salute was actualy adopted from mussolini, who adopted it from the roman legacy of "Hail Caesar"

If there's anything interesting history wise, it's how self fulfilling Abrahamic religions have become. Modern Jews are most certainly not the same Jews of the time of Christ and they are indeed those who say they are Jews but are not. Khazaria, Dönmeh, Eastern Europe, even proven by a peer reviewed publication as prestigious as nature

nature.com/ncomms/2013/131008/ncomms3543/full/ncomms3543.html

I'm not a religious man but this makes me want to believe Jesus will come back and smite the false Jews.

I suppose it very well could be originally jewish, but more of jews leaving and creating their new religion. An interestimg thing I recently saw was from Dante's InfernoEnglish translation, but I do not see why the person would lie like this that one of the popes was sentenced to hell for waging war against Christians, when he was supposed to be fighting jews and muslims. So it had been against jews even, but popes coming out and saying jews did not kill christ and the "We love everyone" mantra has been shitting the church up as of late.

It would be tinfoil to consider it to be intentional, but it in hindsight, it may as well been.

To understand Christianity, you have to understand the Roman Empire in 300-400AD. The Roman gods were trash, people were aimless and there were plenty of cults sprouting everywhere to take advantage of this vacuum, Christianity being one of them. For a better look into this, consider reading The Path of Enlightenment in the Mithraic Mysteries by Evola, it's only about 25 pages long. Mithraism was a true mystery school, while Christianity was promising immortal life to the plebs the same way a socialist promises gibs to the plebs for power.

Then you take into account that the Christian priests had a monopoly on Latin literacy, or being the gatekeepers for all archived Roman information during the Dark Ages, and you being to realize just how much Christianity held Europeans back.

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D&C shills flock to any thread which has even the slightest hint of religion. It's borderline impossible to have a reasonable discussion about it.

Of course, the desperation with which kikes are trying (or rather succeeding) to subvert Christianity and turn whites away from it should tell you something itself.

Always the first post. Always.

Nobody here is saying we should fight christianity, quite the contrary, its a very useful psyccological tool we can use.

AS far as theology or history goes however, yes, christianity was a jewish invention to fuck and destabilize, and later overtake, rome.

So what were the crusades just a giant diversion?

Name any other place where large numbers of successful whites get together weekly to discuss life, future and past.

Like any other evolutionary process Christianity killed off what pre Christian European culture because its members and its results were superior. Because of this they became powerful enough to actually kill off the heathens causing much of our legends to be lost forever.

But they were lost forever because they didn't matter.

All I want is a society of whites possessing various beliefs that can live peacefully next to one another. Every idea that has anything to do with semites does not need to be purged, only the semites themselves.

Anyways, we can argue about ideas after the ethnostate is formed. Those with the strength to build it will decide what we teach there.

Only because the Romans weren't conquering anymore. Polytheism works so long as your gods are on the winning side. The Battle of Milvian Bridge changed everything for western civilization.

Paul, who never met Jesus, heard about Jesus from other people after Jesus' death and then basically devised Christianity in a way that turned the focus away from Jesus' prophetic critique of religion & its corrupt practitioners and toward the idea of salvation through belief in Christ. He also finessed it to sell better to Hellenic Europeans, at least some of whom conceptualized Christianity as an exotic form of Mysteries, which were semi-secret societies where members would undergo devotional rites (including baptisms) to a given deity with the understanding that the deity would provide for them in the afterlife. There may have been a schism between Palestinian & European Christianity, as one of the letters describes a public argument like between James brother of Jesus and Paul iirc over whether the new goy initiates were expected to adopt some of the weirder practices of Judaism such as eating certain things and cutting off the end of your dick. But before the schism really got out of hand, various Jewish revolts prompted Roman armies under future emperor Titus to btfo Jerusalem, and with the devastation of the city and its populace there wasn't much of a Palestinian Christianity of significant influence.

Even though the major ecumenical councils took place in Europe's eastern nethers, west Europe by that time was involved, in fact Britain sent representatives to the Council of Nicaea, and so the religion was pretty much out of Jews' hands by that time. I don't know the influence of non-Hellenic paganism exactly, aside from Pagan practices carried over into the holidays.

Are you seriously defending the Roman pantheon? It was a half hearted copy pasta of the Greek pantheon. Like I said though, plenty of cults when Christianity was just a babby. History would have been different if it didn't win out.

I know, but Cultural Marxism/Jews thrives on chaos, so I can never tell the difference from subvert or convert. Also the study of Theology is very interesting in general. But like said, is that the current religion would have to answer to the National Socialistic political ideology.

I am just trying to do research in where we can make National Socialism a branch that people can also view it as a religion. But even using the word religion pisses me off. NS always, for me that is, is "Return to nature". Which sounds very European.

First post best post.

Reported for intl. It’s quite simple.

Reported for intl.

THE OLD TESTAMENT IS THE TORAH

BUT CHRISTIANITY IS NOT JEWISH

TRUST ME GOYIM

All intl is reported.

So sage the thread, dipshit.

Pick one and only one, man.

False.
True.
Reported for intl.

Correct. We must always remember the construction of the ethnostate is the highest priority and these arguments are mere playthings of the mind at this point in time.

Saving the white race MUST be the highest goal of all of us if we are to succeed.

Ask yourself, what busines did germans, french and english have recapturing jerusalem?

Many people simply igore information like the fact jews were banned from judea prior to the crusaders retaking islamic land.

Christianity is the cuck tool the jews use when their islamic pets get out of control.

Seriously, am i the only person here wich remembers how we needed to invade the middle-east because the Muslims were "atacking our christians values" on 9/11?

The more i study christinaity and history, the more clear it becomes whatr a disgusting kike lie christianity is.

People often mix the fact christian european men did great things, but forget to understand they did great thing because they were european, not beucase they were christian, in fact, christianity may well have been a weight on white european sucess.

Otherwise ethiopia would be a superpower with historical sucess.

I do not believe it was created as a jewish plot to subvert goyims but that does not really matter because that's how its being used now. Historically the Christianity that was prominent in Europe throughout the Middle ages was a Germanized version but we have been moving more towards its semetic roots as time goes on. I believe there can be a revival of a Pro-white Christianity but it will be radically different that what you would consider 'Christian'

They were the best thing to come out of Christianity. Christianity is supposed to be a pacifict religion, but Europeans are extremely warlike and no pope can stop that, so instead they directed us toward the people who were and still are the most actively hostile force to Europe, sandniggers. We didn't hold on to the 'holy land' though, and now the jews have it.

This theory doesn't hold any water considering the lack of anything in the New Testament to do with Roman faith or Gods as well as historical records showing Romans only saw it as a new sect of Judaism for many decades after Christ. It's not hard to understand why the common found Christianity to be a most attractive religion either. It promised things that Roman paganism could and did not while being easy to remember because it was monotheistic and cared for the plight for the commons.

luckily the mods arent christcucks, so good luck faggot

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You’re the only one who thinks he won’t be outed as a shill.

Not quite. Shitskins were around in their native lands, Europeans colonized most of the world (Egypt, ME, China, India, Americas) and over time those colonizing groups were subsumed into the native population (or killed off). Most of the ancient religions from those areas spell it out quite clearly as "wise white dudes came out from the sea (flood) and brought the knowledge of civilization (which may or may not be depicted as a seedbag in a few of the surviving images)".

Europe

NOTHING in Cuckstianity is superior to European culture, and I will hang you personally if you mention your Semitic savior a single time after the restoration.

Those legends, that culture, THAT is what enabled civilization to cohere. YOU race traitors are the ones responsible for denying the wisdom of our European ancestors in favor of Semitic filth. Another race's religion has no place in a European ethnostate. Homogeneity of blood must be matched by homogeneity of spirit.

Cuckstianity is the reason why we are in this mess. If you deny that, you go right in the oven with the Semites you worship. There is no room for race traitors in an ethnostate.

Luckily reported for intl.

Hi, intl.

What's your point? It's still a depiction of gods who favor the bold, Jupiter is a god that doesn't give a fuck about you insofar as you are worthy of recognition. Polytheism is very war-friendly, Christianity is not. That's all that matters.

This is why people will flock to other forms of spirituality. Christianity and christians simply don't have a real argumentative basis to defend their theology, their many philosophical contradictions, and their historical inception.

Thankfully it will fade and be replaced by a proper, racially aware and euro-centric religion in the western world on the coming centuries.

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Original Christianity (33 AD to mid-20th century) is the ultimate antithesis to Judaism. The New Testament is basically a repudiation of everything Judaic. If you’re not “antisemitic,” you’re not really Christian. This goes all the way back to when Jesus made a corded whip and cast the moneychangers out of the Temple. He did a bunch of other things, too, and the Jews crucified him for it. Pontius Pilate said, “Do you want me to crucify this innocent man?” And the crowd of thousands of Jews replied in unison: “Yes! His blood be on us and all our descendants.” The Jews killed Jesus.
Modern “Christianity” is, to varying degrees, basically Messianic Judaism. The idea of a common “Judeo-Christian heritage” is a total farce. The catholic church and several Protestant denominations have been utterly infiltrated and subverted. When I was researching evangelical Christianity (by far the worst), there were several times I’d look up a prominent preacher and Google Images would have a fucking Jew staring back at me. Hell, Daddy Cruz is one of them. Most of them were crypto-Jews, but several of them were literally openly raised in the Jewish tradition and then “converted” to become “Christian” preachers. More than a few of the more Judaized churches are now even de-emphasizing Jesus as the preeminent figure of Christianity. Guess who’s leading the charge. Oh, and the catholic church was basically destroyed by pedo allegations in the ‘60s and ‘70s and the “liberal reforms” started by Pope John XXIII after the death of Pope Pius XII. Every Pope since Pius has been a literal heretic, and many before him. The pedo stuff can probably be attributed to freemason infiltration. I think the current Pope is openly a freemason. They’re a fucked up crowd.
And since then Christianity has basically deliberately been made the religion of the third world, as though to strip it of any future significance. How seriously can you take the greatest religion in history if most of its adherents are mestizos or Africans? It’s disgusting what they’ve done and still doing. Regarding usury, the quintessential Jewish activity, it was banned by the church for nearly two millennia. It prevented Christians from enslaving other Christians and gave the moneylenders a precarious legal status when they got too bold and overreached. The Jews didn’t start to get out of control until the French shouted, “Liberte, egalite, fraternite!” and chopped off the Christian rulers’ heads.

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What made our ancestors great was their altruism tempered by their faith and their duty.
Today we have mocked and forbidden faith for the masses, and duty has become something to be cursed. Our Christian forebears did not allow for evil in their societies and protected their families and nations as all honorable men should. More than this, where they saw evil they sought to destroy it; where they saw ignorance they brought the light of knowledge; when they found the lesser races fumbling in the dirt and serving the whims of demons, they gave them the true faith of Jesus Christ–they set up schools and gave them the rule of law.
They kept themselves pure and defended what they believed to be important to the death. They brought their glory to the rest of the world and made the places they touched better. And even when their representatives did ill, the ideology of the mission was that it should be righteous. Of course, not all men were benevolent and altruistic, but their cause was, and the mindset of the nation was that righteousness be done.
It is similar to how just a decade ago the US had to convince everyone their war was ‘just’. It, of course, was not, but society still demanded that things be fought for righteousness. This has all but disappeared today as we devolve into hatred–a consequence of forsaking God and embracing demonic concepts like ‘tolerance’ and ‘diversity’ in places once pure.
Christendom shall rice once more. Every night I pray that God will have mercy on we few good men left in the West. That He will spare us, and for our piety redeem our nations. That He will cast out the jew, the muslim, the pagan, and the traitor. That He will give us the words and power to show them the light of Christ. And that when they have become our brothers they will return whence they came and bring Christianity to these spiritually barren places.
Let Christianity rise once more. Let the world see that faith in God is rewarded, that redemption is ever-achievable for he who humbles himself before the Lord. It has happened many times before, but I pray that once more the world will bear witness to God’s glory, that the faith of a few will bring salvation to the many. Let the end not come in our day, let us be the last reminder to a doomed world–a final example of God’s mercy and power. One last revival of Christendom, then let it end. Have mercy on us, Father, and let the whole world see your power and tremble!

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My interest in medieval science was substantially sparked by one book. Way back in 1991, when I was an impoverished and often starving post-graduate student at the University of Tasmania, I found a copy of Robert T. Gunther's Astrolabes of the World–598 folio pages of meticulously catalogued Islamic, Medieval, and Renaissance astrolabes with photos, diagrams, star lists, and a wealth of other information. I found it, appropriately and not coincidentally, in Michael Sprod’s Astrolabe Books, up the stairs in one of the beautiful old sandstone warehouses that line Salamanca Place on Hobart’s waterfront. Unfortunately, the book cost $200, which at that stage was the equivalent to what I lived on for a month. But Michael was used to selling books to poverty-stricken students, so I went without lunch, put down a deposit of $10, and came back weekly for several months to pay off as much as I could afford and eventually got to take it home, wrapped in brown paper in a way that only Hobart bookshops seem to bother with anymore. There are few pleasures greater than finally getting your hands on a book you’ve been wanting to own and read for a long time.
I had another experience of that particular pleasure when I received my copy of James Hannam’s God’s Philosophers: How the Medieval World Laid the Foundations of Modern Science a couple of weeks ago. For years I’ve been toying with the idea of creating a website on medieval science and technology to bring the recent research on the subject to a more general audience and to counter the biased myths about it being a Dark Age of irrational superstition. Thankfully I can now cross that off my to do list, because Hannam’s superb book has done the job for me and in fine style.

The Christian Dark Age and Other Hysterical Myths
One of the occupational hazards of being an atheist and secular humanist who hangs around on discussion boards is to encounter a staggering level of historical illiteracy. I like to console myself that many of the people on such boards have come to their atheism via the study of science and so, even if they are quite learned in things like geology and biology, usually have a grasp of history stunted at about high school level. I generally do this because the alternative is to admit that the average person’s grasp of history and how history is studied is so utterly feeble as to be totally depressing.
So, alongside the regular airings of the hoary old myth that the Bible was collated at the Council of Nicea, the tedious internet-based “Jesus never existed!” nonsense, or otherwise intelligent people spouting pseudo historical claims that would make even Dan Brown snort in derision, the myth that the Catholic Church caused the Dark Ages and the Medieval Period was a scientific wasteland is regularly wheeled, creaking, into the sunlight for another trundle around the arena.
The myth goes that the Greeks and Romans were wise and rational types who loved science and were on the brink of doing all kinds of marvelous things (inventing full-scale steam engines is one example that is usually, rather fancifully, invoked) until Christianity came along. Christianity then banned all learning and rational thought and ushered in the Dark Ages. Then an iron-fisted theocracy, backed by a Gestapo-style Inquisition, prevented any science or questioning inquiry from happening until Leonardo da Vinci invented intelligence and the wondrous Renaissance saved us all from Medieval darkness.
The online manifestations of this curiously quaint but seemingly indefatigable idea range from the touchingly clumsy to the utterly shocking, but it remains one of those things that “everybody knows” and permeates modern culture. About once every 3-4 months on forums like richarddawkins.net we get some discussion where someone invokes the old “Conflict Thesis.” That evolves into the usual ritual kicking of the Middle Ages as a benighted intellectual wasteland where humanity was shackled to superstition and oppressed by cackling minions of the Evil Old Catholic Church. The hoary standards are brought out on cue. Giordiano Bruno is presented as a wise and noble martyr for science instead of the irritating mystical New Age kook he actually was. Hypatia is presented as another such martyr and the mythical Christian destruction of the Great Library of Alexandria is spoken of in hushed tones, despite both these ideas being totally untrue. The Galileo Affair is ushered in as evidence of a brave scientist standing up to the unscientific obscurantism of the Church, despite that case being as much about science as it was about Scripture.
And, almost without fail, someone digs up a graphic (see below), which I have come to dub The Most Wrong Thing On the Internet Ever, and to flourish it triumphantly as though it is proof of something other than the fact that most people are utterly ignorant of history and unable to see that something called “Scientific Advancement” can’t be measured, let alone plotted on a graph.

It’s not hard to kick this nonsense to pieces, especially since the people presenting it know next to nothing about history and have simply picked up these strange ideas from websites and popular books. The assertions collapse as soon as you hit them with hard evidence. I love to totally stump these propagators by asking them to present me with the name of one–just one–scientist burned, persecuted, or oppressed for their science in the Middle Ages. They always fail to come up with any. They usually try to crowbar Galileo back into the Middle Ages, which is amusing considering he was a contemporary of Descartes. When asked why they have failed to produce any such scientists given the Church was apparently so busily oppressing them, they often resort to claiming that the Evil Old Church did such a good job of oppression that everyone was too scared to practice science. By the time I produce a laundry list of medieval scientists–like Albertus Magnus, Robert Grosseteste, Roger Bacon, John Peckham, Duns Scotus, Thomas Bradwardine, Walter Burley, William Heytesbury, Richard Swineshead, John Dumbleton, Richard of Wallingford, Nicholas Oresme, Jean Buridan, and Nicholas of Cusa–and ask why these men were happily pursuing science in the Middle Ages without molestation from the Church, my opponents usually scratch their heads in puzzlement at what just went wrong.

The Origin of the Myths
How the myths that led to the creation of The Most Wrong Thing On the Internet Ever is well documented in several recent books on the the history of science. But Hannam wisely tackles it in the opening pages of his book, since it would be likely to form the basis for many general readers to be suspicious of the idea of a Medieval foundation for modern science. A festering melange of Enlightenment bigotry, Protestant papism-bashing, French anti-clericism, and Classicist snobbery have all combined to make the Medieval period a by-word for backwardness, superstition and primitivism, and the opposite of everything the average person associates with science and reason.
Hannam sketches how polemicists like Thomas Huxley, John William Draper, and Andrew Dickson White, all with their own anti-Christian axes to grind, managed to shape the still current idea that the Middle Ages was devoid of science and reason. And how it was not until real historians bothered to question the polemicists through the work of early pioneers in the field like Pierre Duhem, Lynn Thorndike, and the author of my astrolabe book, Robert T. Gunther, that the distortions of the axe-grinders began to be corrected by proper, unbiased research. That work has now been completed by the current crop of modern historians of science like David C. Lindberg, Ronald Numbers, and Edward Grant.
In the academic sphere, at least, the “Conflict Thesis” of a historical war between science and theology has been long since overturned. It is very odd that so many of my fellow atheists cling so desperately to a long-dead position that was only ever upheld by amateur Nineteenth Century polemicists and not the careful research of recent, objective, peer-reviewed historians. This is strange behavior for people who like to label themselves “rationalists.”
Speaking of rationalism, the critical factor that the myths obscure is precisely how rational intellectual inquiry in the Middle Ages was. While writers like Charles Freeman continue to lumber along, claiming that Christianity killed the use of reason, the fact is that thanks to Clement of Alexandria and Augustine's encouragement of the use of pagan philosophy, and Boethius’ translations of works of logic by Aristotle and others, rational inquiry was one intellectual jewel that survived the catastrophic collapse of the Western Roman Empire and was preserved through the so-called Dark Ages. Edward Grant’s superb God and Reason in the Middle Ages details this with characteristic vigor, but Hannam gives a good summary of this key element in his first four chapters.

What makes Hannam's version of the story more accessible than Grant’s is the way he tells it though the lives of key people of the time–Gerbert of Aurillac, Anselm, Abelard, William of Conches, Adelard of Bath, etc. Some reviewers of Hannam’s book seem to have found this approach a little distracting, since the sheer volume of names and mini-biographies could make it feel like we are learning a small amount about a vast number of people. But given the breadth of Hannam’s subject, this is fairly inevitable and the semi-biographical approach is certainly more accessible than a stodgy abstract analysis of the evolution of medieval thought.
Hannam also gives an excellent precis of the Twelfth Century Renaissance which, contrary to popular perception and to “the Myth”, was the real period in which ancient learning flooded back into western Europe. Far from being resisted by the Church, it was churchmen who sought this knowledge out among the Muslims and Jews of Spain and Sicily. And far from being resisted or banned by the Church, it was embraced and formed the basis of the syllabus in that other great Medieval contribution to the world: the universities that were starting to appear across Christendom.

God and Reason
The enshrining of reason at the heart of inquiry, combined with the influx of “new” Greek and Arabic learning, launched a veritable explosion of intellectual activity in Europe from the Twelfth Century onwards. It was as though the sudden stimulus of new perspectives and new ways of looking at the world fell on the fertile soil of a Europe that was, for the first time in centuries, relatively peaceful, prosperous, outward-looking, and genuinely curious.
This is not to say that more conservative and reactionary forces did not have misgivings about some of the new areas of inquiry, especially in relation to how philosophy and speculation about the natural world and the cosmos could affect accepted theology. Hannam is careful not to pretend that there was no resistance to the flowering of the new thinking and inquiry but, unlike the perpetuators of “the Myth”, he gives that resistance due consideration rather than pretending it was the whole story. In fact, the conservatives and reactionaries’ efforts were usually rear-guard actions and were in almost every case totally unsuccessful in curtailing the inevitable flood of ideas that began to flow from the universities. Once it began, it was effectively unstoppable.
In fact, some of the efforts by the theologians to put some limits on what could and could not be accepted via the “new learning” actually had the effect of stimulating inquiry rather than constricting it. The Condemnations of 1277 attempted to assert certain things that could not be stated as “philosophically true”, particularly things that put limits on divine omnipotence. This had the interesting effect of making it clear that Aristotle had, actually, got some things badly wrong–something Thomas Aquinas emphasized in his famous and highly influential Summa Theologiae:
The condemnations and Thomas’s Summa Theologiae had created a framework within which natural philosophers could safely pursue their studies. The framework… …laid down the principle that God had decreed laws of nature but was not bound by them. Finally, it stated that Aristotle was sometimes wrong. The world was not ‘eternal according to reason’ and ‘finite according to faith’. It was not eternal, full stop. And if Aristotle could be wrong about something that he regarded as completely certainly certain, that threw his whole philosophy into question. The way was clear for the natural philosophers of the Middle Ages to move decisively beyond the achievements of the Greeks. (Hannam, pp. 104-105)

Which is precisely what they proceeded to do. Far from being a stagnant dark age, as the first half of the Medieval Period (500-1000 AD) certainly was, the period from 1000 to 1500 AD actually saw the most impressive flowering of scientific inquiry and discovery since the time of the ancient Greeks, far eclipsing the Roman and Hellenic Eras in every respect. With Occam and Duns Scotus taking the critical approach to Aristotle further than Aquinas’ more cautious approach, the way was open for the Medieval scientists of the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Centuries to question, examine, and test the perspectives the translators of the Twelfth Century had given them, with remarkable effects:
[I]n the fourteenth century medieval thinkers began to notice that there was something seriously amiss with all aspects of Aristotle's natural philosophy, and not just those parts of it that directly contradicted the Christian faith. The time had come when medieval scholars could begin their own quest to advance knowledge… …striking out in new directions that neither the Greeks nor the Arabs ever explored. Their first breakthrough was to combine the two subjects of mathematics and physics in a way that had not been done before. (Hannam, p. 174)
The story of that breakthrough, and the remarkable Oxford scholars who achieved it and thus laid the foundations of true science–the “Merton Calculators”–probably deserves a book in itself. But Hannam’s account certainly does them justice and forms a fascinating section of his work. The names of these pioneers of the scientific method–Thomas Bradwardine, William Heytesbury, John Dumbleton, and the delightfully named Richard Swineshead–deserve to be better known. Unfortunately, the obscuring shadow of “the Myth” means that they continue to be ignored or dismissed even in quite recent popular histories of science. Bradwardine’s summary of the key insight these men uncovered is one of the great quotes of early science and deserves to be recognized as such:
[Mathematics] is the revealer of every genuine truth… …whoever then has the effrontery to pursue physics while neglecting mathematics should know from the start that he will never make his entry through the portals of wisdom. (Quoted in Hannam, p. 176)
These men were not only the first to truly apply mathematics to physics but also developed logarithmic functions 300 years before John Napier and the Mean Speed Theorem 200 years before Galileo. The fact that Napier and Galileo are credited with discovering things that Medieval scholars had already developed is yet another indication of how “the Myth” has warped our perceptions of the history of science.
Similarly, the physics and astronomy of Jean Buridan and Nicholas Oresme were radical and profound, but generally unknown to the average reader. Buridan was one of the first to compare the movements of the cosmos to those of another Medieval innovation–the clock. The image of a clockwork universe which was to serve scientists well into our own era began in the Middle Ages. And Oresme’s speculations about a rotating Earth shows that Medieval scholars were happy to contemplate what were (to them) fairly outlandish ideas to see if they might work–Oresme found that this particular idea actually worked quite well. These men are hardly the products of a “dark age” and their careers are conspicuously free of any of the Inquisitors and threats of burning so fondly and luridly imagined by the fevered proponents of “the Myth”.

Galileo, Inevitably
As mentioned above, no manifestation of “the Myth” is complete without the Galileo Affair being raised. The proponents of the idea that the Church stifled science and reason in the Middle Ages have to wheel him out, because without him they actually have absolutely zero examples of the Church persecuting anyone for anything to do with inquiries into the natural world. The common conception that Galileo was persecuted for being right about heliocentrism is a total oversimplification of a complex business, and one that ignores the fact that Galileo's main problem was not simply that his ideas disagreed with scriptural interpretation but also with the science of the time.
Contrary to the way the affair is usually depicted, the real sticking point was the fact that the scientific objections to heliocentrism at the time were still powerful enough to prevent its acceptance. Cardinal Bellarmine made it clear to Galileo in 1616 that if those scientific objections could be overcome then scripture could and would be reinterpreted. But while the objections still stood, the Church, understandably, was hardly going to overturn several centuries of exegesis for the sake of a flawed theory. Galileo agreed to only teach heliocentrism as a theoretical calculating device, then promptly turned around and, in typical style, taught it as fact. Thus his prosecution by the Inquistion in 1633.
Hannam gives the context for all this in suitable detail in a section of the book that also explains how the Humanism of the “Renaissance” led a new wave of scholars, who sought not only to idolize and emulate the ancients, but to turn their backs on the achievements of recent scholars like Duns Scotus, Bardwardine, Buridan, and Orseme. Thus many of their discoveries and advances were either ignored and forgotten (only to be rediscovered independently later) or scorned but quietly appropriated. The case for Galileo using the work of Medieval scholars without acknowledgement is fairly damning. In their eagerness to dump Medieval “dialectic” and ape the Greeks and Romans - which made the “Renaissance” a curiously conservative and rather retrograde movement in many ways–they discarded genuine developments and advancements by Medieval scholars. That a thinker of the calibre of Duns Scotus could become mainly known as the etymology of the word “dunce” is deeply ironic.
As good as the final part of the book is and as worthy as a fairly detailed analysis of the realities of the Galileo Affair clearly is, I must say the last four or five chapters of Hannam’s book did feel as though they had bitten off a bit more than they could chew. I was able to follow his argument quite easily, but I am very familiar with the material and with the argument he is making. I suspect that those for whom this depiction of the “Renaissance,” and the idea of Galileo as nothing more than a persecuted martyr to genius, might find that it gallops at too rapid a pace to really carry them along. Myths, after all, have a very weighty inertia.
At least one reviewer seems to have found the weight of that inertia too hard to resist, though perhaps she had some other baggage weighing her down. Nina Power, writing in New Humanist magazine, certainly seems to have had some trouble ditching the idea of the Church persecuting Medieval scientists:
Just because persecution wasn’t as bad as it could have been, and just because some thinkers weren’t always the nicest of people, doesn’t mean that interfering in their work and banning their ideas was justifiable then or is justifiable now.
Well, no one said it was justifiable, and simply explaining how it came about and why it was not as extensive, or of the nature, that most people assume is not “justifying” it, anyway–it is correcting a pseudo-historical misunderstanding. That said, Power does have something of a point when she notes:
Hannam’s characterization of [Renaissance] thinkers as “incorrigible reactionaries” who “almost managed to destroy 300 years of progress in natural philosophy” is at odds with his more careful depiction of those that came before.
This is not, however, because that characterization is wrong, but because the length and scope of the book really do not give him room to do this fairly complex and, to many, radical idea justice.

Conclusion
My only criticisms of the book are really quibbles. The sketch of the “agrarian revolution” of the Dark Ages described in Chapter One, which saw technology like the horse-collar and the mouldboard plough adopted and water and wind power harnessed to greatly increase production in previously unproductive parts of Europe is generally sound. But it does place too much emphasis on two elements in Lynn White’s thesis in his seminal Medieval Technology and Social Change–the importance of the stirrup and the significance of the horse collar. As important and groundbreaking as White’s thesis was in 1962, more recent analysis has found some of his central ideas dubious. The idea that the stirrup was as significant for the rise of shock-heavy cavalry as White claimed is now pretty much rejected by military historians. Also, his claims about how this cavalry itself caused the beginnings of the feudal system were dubious to begin with. Finally, the idea that Roman traction systems were as inefficient as White’s sources make out has also been seriously questioned. Hannam seems to accept White’s thesis wholesale, which is not really justified given it has been reassessed for over forty years now.
That aside, this is a marvelous book and a brilliant, readable, and accessible antidote to “the Myth.” It should be on the Christmas wish-list of any Medievalist, science history buff, or anyone who has a misguided friend who still thinks the nights in the Middle Ages were lit by burning scientists.

All the Abrahamic religions say that the world should and will be theirs.

Christians say Jesus will return and the world will all convert to and be Christian.

Muslims say Jesus will return and the world will all convert to and be Islamic.

Jews say their messiah will come and the whole entire world will be tikkun olam under Jews.

Naturally, the Christian and Muslim ones are far more attractive than Judaism, since it's inclusionary.

I wish for a native European religion that fights against that, for a free world.

Christ wasn’t a socialist. He was a religious radical. He advocated charity by the individual. He did not want a complex temporal power structure established to tax people at gunpoint to subsidize poverty.
Santa Claus, likewise, rewards virtue with toys and evil with coal. If anything, what he represents is a purely capitalistic idea–regardless of background, race, creed, etc., by virtuous and diligent behavior one will be rewarded materially. Whereas slothfulness and evil reaps nothing of value.
A Wonderful Life is about valuing family, not about establishing a top-down economy.
A Christmas Carol isn’t about a capitalist who turns into a socialist. It’s about a capitalist who overcomes the bitterness of his childhood and learns to value his family and his friendships more than his business. He doesn’t stop being a capitalist; he still solves all of his problems with money.
The Grinch Who Stole Christmas is about a terrorist who realizes that his diagnosis of capitalist society as being corrupt and materialistic was wrong. He realizes that though the society acknowledges capitalistic values, it also has a spiritual core independent of that system. His realization that the two can exist in harmony allows him to come to terms with his own bitterness and join society, rather than living like a hermit up in the mountains.
Charlie Brown, ironically, is the only story with any socialist values at all, and they’re negative. Charlie Brown used everyone’s money to make a terrible economic decision and invest in a bad tree that didn’t fulfill its intended function. The people were then forced to band together to make the best out of this smoking ruin on their own initiative. In essence, A Charlie Brown Christmas is about a government using the people’s money poorly, and then the public sector having to make the best of it with their own innovation.

Anyone who follows a Semitic religion needs to be gassed. Cuckstianity is a tool of the juden to destroy the white man.

Return to your native European religions.

Jesus and Plato are both proto-socialists.

Yeah, just proved you wrong, you fucking faggot.

I find it ironic that people believe Christians can’t come to Holla Forums because it “violates their faith.”
I’m not saying this in a “they are coming here to fish for sinners” kind of way. I’m saying it in a “maybe God wants us here” kind of way. Think about the things promoted on Holla Forums. Really think about them. We stand for strong family and strong fathers. We stand for logic and reason. We demand the utmost skill in conveying ideas. We promote freedom and free speech.
We get a lot of flak for hating the Jews, blacks, and women. Anyone who has been on here more than a week knows that we don’t actually hate those people. What we hate is what they do and what they stand for.
The Jew stands for greed and gluttony.
The black stands for sloth and ignorance.
The feminist stands for lust and oppression.
We hate the idea of our children being influence by insanity, laziness, and greed. This is a statement that the outside world will never understand: Holla Forums is a bastion of moral superiority. In our anonymous and uncensored little world, we let flow our stark moral standards. That is why the world hates us. Not because we are immoral, but because we stand on a moral high ground so traditional that the cesspool of society cannot see it for what it is.

Return to your native European religions, white folks.

The Bible teaches that those who clothe themselves in Christ are “born again, to a new heritage,” that is the “oldest heritage.” Christians, no matter the color of their skin or the face of their father, are sons and daughters of Abraham.
All a man has in this world is what he was given by his parents. They may not leave him wealth, fame, or a place in society. What they do leave him is the culture of his people, the blood in his veins, and the morals and ethics of their own fathers. As the Old Testament taught, some men were stained from birth because of this. They were unclean, just as there was food that was unclean.
But God says that there is another way–a better way. A man need not be bound by the lot that has befallen them. In the New Testament, Peter writes a letter in response to some Jews who do not understand the commandment to accept Gentiles as their own. It conflicted with their teachings, and they were refusing to accept them as equals. “We are the Chosen ones,” they argued, not them. In it, Peter berates them and tells them that the spiritual inheritance given by God supersedes the inheritance of the earthly father. Every man who accepts Jesus Christ as his savior becomes one of the Chosen. I will say it again, because it is important: Every man who accepts Jesus Christ as his savior becomes one of the Chosen.
If you accept Jesus Christ into your heart, you are born again to the line of Abraham and will be given a heritage greater and older than any earthly bloodline. You will inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. It becomes your birthright, and you will dwell there eternally. You become a Son or Daughter of God.
Peter based his argument off of a vision he had, detailed in Acts 10, in which God laid out food before him and commanded him to eat. But Peter saw that the food was unclean, and so he refused. God then said this to him.
What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common. (verse 15)
Later, Peter realized that this was not just a revelation about food, but about man himself. When Christ died, he came to cleanse man of the Original Sin. Thus his revelation.
God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean. (verse 28)
This vision shows something very important. Why do the Jews believe that the Gentile is bad? Because he is “unclean”. What did God show to Peter? That the sacrifice of Christ has “cleansed the unclean”. There is no food now that cannot be eaten. There is no man now who is a Gentile. Not only food, but man himself has been cleansed. There are no unclean races. Not anymore. The only man who is unclean is the man who has not accepted Christ into his heart and become one of the Chosen. The only man who is clean is the man who has clothed himself in Christ; he is a Son of God and shall inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.
In the leftists’ fumbling and bumbling, they scream about the color of someone’s skin as though that is the definitive qualifier for race. Their ignorance betrays you. Holla Forums argues that Zimmerman, in spite of being Hispanic, is an “honorary white” for what he did. Why? Because they understand that what a man is born is not as important as what he grows up to become. They know that there is more to a man than the mere quality of his blood or the shade of his skin–that this alone is not the ruler of everything he is, was, and will become.
Zimmerman is a Christian. He has clothed himself in Christ. He is a Son of Abraham and will dwell in the House of the Lord. Whatever earthly heritage he bore has been overwritten and superseded by a spiritual one. Zimmerman is one of the Chosen. Why? Because God does not care about the flesh. “Build up not your wealth on Earth, for it will rot and decay. Build up your treasure in the Kingdom of Heaven, for it is eternal.” At the end of all things and the beginning of eternity, there will be no more flesh and all will be judged based on their choices and character.

That is the revelation of God, the revelation of Christianity, and the revelation of Jesus. That salvation is no longer a birthright, but a choice. You were born flawed. God has the highest standards and all fall short of them, no matter the color of their skin. Were some more clean than others? Yes. But none were clean enough. But because He loves us, He has cleared away the debt of Original Sin. He has cast aside the earthly inheritance, and He has allowed any man who so chooses to rise above his earthy blood and become a spiritual heir to the Kingdom of Heaven itself.
No longer must you be of the blood to be Chosen. Now a man may become Chosen though Christ, and only through Christ.
Holla Forums will tell you that race is a matter of trends (meaning genetics), not individuals. My addition to that statement is this: the revelation of Christ is a personal revelation. It is an individual revelation. A whole race cannot be excused, an entire culture or people cannot be forgiven. You must have the wherewithal to come to God, prostrate yourself, admitting your flaws and failings and seeking forgiveness for your transgressions. You can only do it alone. No one can drag you to it. You cannot be converted by the sword, as a Muslim can. You are not born inferior, like the Jew would tell you. You must come to the revelation on your own. You are made Chosen by your own hands, by the Grace of God. You choose yourself, and because of that, God chooses you.
Race is about trends, not individuals. So is damnation. There is no Christian who is not an individual over the trend. More people will fall than will rise. Many who are of good stock will fall because they could not raise themselves up to be better. Do not glorify the slaggard, wastrel, layabout, or the parasite simply because of his “good brewing”. They are degenerates, unable to so much as raise a hand to meet the face of God that has come down from such purity to meet them halfway.
They are not the Chosen because they lack the willingness to apply themselves to the path of salvation–a path made so simple that it comprises but a single step.
To believe otherwise–to glorify them because of their blood–is to behave as the Jews behave and to believe as the Jews believe. That is the true betrayal of leftist intention. That they parrot the beliefs of the Jews with only a few words changed. That they speak but do not hear. That they recite but do not understand.
You scream “kike on a stick” and “christcuck” without comprehending the root terms. Holla Forums is against miscegenation for excellent reasons. Holla Forums is against multiculturalism for excellent reasons. Above everything else, Holla Forums is a overwhelmingly nationalist. If every Jew that pushed orthodox Judaism went to live in Israel and the only jews outside of it were those who disliked or who were not “jew-ish” in spite of being jews, and did not push any jewish interests or assert zionism, would anyone have a problem with them? “Every man in his country.” Zionists are Jewish nationalists, so why not leave them to their own nation? There would be those that criticized them for how they obtained their city-state. I would be among them, for as a Christian, I know that the covenant of the Old Testament was dissolved, so the Jews had no right to the land they took.
They stole it, in other words.

Cuckstians are responsible for the presence of Semites in our nations. Cuckstians are to blame for the current subversion of our culture. They murdered their own brothers for the charge of adhering to EUROPEAN TRADITION, a crime abhorrent only to race traitors.

OP, the answer to your questions is in the Joseph Campbell Material.

- Joseph Campbell - The Experience of Life - youtube.com/watch?v=ZKkJ_xJghK0

- Joseph Campbell–On Becoming an Adult - youtube.com/watch?v=aGx4IlppSgU

- Joseph Campbell Foundation Sun and Moon Symbology - youtube.com/watch?v=fU6D25zAVjY

- Joseph Campbell discusses the dynamic of life - youtube.com/watch?v=d1MDhigGrTY

- Joseph Campbell Foundation Mythology of the Trickster - youtube.com/watch?v=z8IVVuBRZCU

- Joseph Campbell Foundation Mother Energies in Mythology - youtube.com/watch?v=DPkOcXWSiew

- Joseph Campbell Foundation Jesus Sacrifice - youtube.com/watch?v=tTfVoc2zw_8

- Joseph Campbell Foundation Ulysses and the Nymphs - youtube.com/watch?v=4F_-kv8xV_4

- Joseph Campbell–The Birth of Mathematical Mythologies - youtube.com/watch?v=FnPix6cunzo

- Joseph Campbell–Circumcision - youtube.com/watch?v=5kh1JEb94as

- Joseph Campbell–Initiation Through Trials - youtube.com/watch?v=SzhIQqVL6Vc

- Joseph Campbell–Myth As the Mirror for the Ego - youtube.com/watch?v=VgOUxICCHoA

- Joseph Campbell–The Mythic Symbology of Release - youtube.com/watch?v=Zzj8aE1KPPQ

- Joseph Campbell - Masks and Myth Need for God - youtube.com/watch?v=fRHu5TqQ10g

- Joseph Campbell - Jonah and the whale - youtube.com/watch?v=OwPdyP-ywN8

On the whole, however, there would be far less animosity against them. If Africans stayed in Africa and lived or died by their own laws, there would be far less said about them. If mussulmen laid down their swords and picked up plowshares to repair their waitron land, far fewer people would hate them. If cultures did not try to devour one another and races to subsume one another–instead leaving each other well enough alone with mutually respected boundaries–the world would be a far better place than it is today.
But the Jew is not content with his own nation. He will take what he sees as his… and then take and take and take some more from everyone else. And that is why he cannot be tolerated. Because he will not stay behind the walls he has raised and foster his own people. Because he feels he must destroy and subjugate the world.
This is the truth of the world that Holla Forums has realized, of which Christians have always been aware. The truth is that we did not start this. Ours is not an instigation, but a reaction. That is what liberals, Jews, mussulmen, what have you, refuse to admit, and it is the truth that they fear the most. Their enemies, whom they hate so deeply, once did not call any man an enemy and would call a stranger a friend. That it is those who the left protects and idolizes who started the fires–who pushed out the good things in this world for their own ego and profit.
That is the truth of the world. We did not start the fire. The Crusades were justified and reactionary to centuries of Muslim conquest, slavery, and genocide. The Inquisition was justified and reactionary to Muslim taqiyya and the Muslim invasion and conquest of Iberia. Questioning the story of the Holocaust is justified, as all things should be questioned under the eye of rationality, even God.
This is the truth that the left fears most: that we have been right all along. And they fear it because of their ego. Because their pride is too great for them to concede to having been wrong, about anything, ever.
Pride has been the assassin of empires and nations. It has burned continents and ravaged civilizations. Pride, it is said, will be the one sin that drags the most to Hell. Pride so great that you cannot bring yourself to take the holy hand that has been extended to you. Pride so heavy and immense that you cannot bring yourself to grab the rope that has been thrown to you as you drown. Even though you hold the views you do through no fault of your own, your pride still stays your hand from that rope. And it will be that pride, in the end, that will be your undoing.
That is why you are not worthy. That is why you are not Chosen. In the end, every knee will bow. Those that will not bow will be bent. Even that of the Antichrist.
Liberals try so hard to divide and conquer. Do they never stop to think why they are compelled to do so? Do they never cease and wonder at why things such as as Nationalism and Christianity–which seek only be left alone–drive them to such heights of rage?
It is because the mere existence of something that is not of theirs is a suggestion that they might have been wrong. Their pride demands their rage at these things. And they give in to that demand.
And so the wheel turns and the fire rises. Stand for truth in a world of lies. Stand for purity in a world of corruption. Stand for chastity in a world of degeneracy.
DEUS VULT.

I don’t care about the context. Know why? Because the context wouldn’t be cared about if this scene took place in a synagogue or, Allah forbid, a mosque. CAIR and all the infiltrated parts of the Europeans’ governments would be up in arms. News stations would be squealing about the countless death threats being acted upon. For months the film would be marked as nothing but a hateful and despicable hate movie of hatred against “our dear Muslim friends who only want peace.”
And if it was a synagogue? The movie would never have been made because the jews in Hollywood would have burst a blood vessel screaming, “ANTI-SEMITE!” loud enough to explode their lungs during the scriptwriting process. If it was made, the film director would be forced to apologize and all actors involved would be barred from entering most of Western Europe for taking part in a despicable anti-Semitic hate film of anti-Semitic hatred. The anti-Semitic actors would be marked as anti-Semites and would never be able to get a role in a film again. Or, if they did, it would be as sparse an opportunity as Mel Gibson’s current predicament. News organizations would be vomiting blood and Jews all over the US-of-Israel would be weeping tears, demanding political recompense for the film’s Nazi-like evil Nazidom and for triggering every Jew’s–every Jew’s–PTSD over the lost 6 quintillion.
BUT SINCE IT’S IN A CHRISTIAN CHURCH, IT’S OKAY.
Why? Because Christians don’t blow people up, rape young white children for 15 fucking years, push for Sharia Law, push for Israeli genocide of the Middle East, get people fired because they remind us of an incident we weren’t even alive for but which “totally happened because my grandfather’s second cousin twice removed was turned into a lampshade!”
“But it’s just a funny scene in a movie, silly Christian! Relax!” Tell that to the victims of systematic rape and sexual slavery by over 100 Muslim men for 15 fucking years in Rotherham, Derby, and Oxford who were given no ear for their pleas and no protection if they spoke out. Tell that to the comedians, actors, documentary directors, and all other artists and politicians who get blacklisted, fired, and jailed because they say even the slightest thing against Israel, even when that country has an actual concentration camp of its own and continues the genocide of innocents because they are “collateral damage.” REMEMBER THE SIX OCTILLION!
No. It’s not funny. And you people who laugh and enjoy it don’t know everything that has, is, and will occur behind and around the production of such a scene.

There is no shortage of heresies these days.
If you want to adopt some blasphemous, perverted, fun house mirror reflection of Christianity, you will find a veritable buffet of options. You can sift through all the variants and build your own little pet version of the Faith. It’s Ice Cream Social Christianity: make your own sundae! (Or Sunday, as it were)
And of all the heretical choices, probably the most common–and possibly the most damaging–is what I’ve come to call the Nice Doctrine.
The propagators of the Nice Doctrine can be seen and heard from anytime any Christian takes any “bold” stance on any cultural issue, uses “harsh” language of any kind, condemns any sinful act, or fights against evil with any force or conviction at all. As soon as you stand and say, “This is wrong. and I will not compromise,” the heretics swoop in with their trusty mantras.
They insist that Jesus was a nice man and that He never would have done anything to upset people. They say that He came down from Heaven to preach tolerance and acceptance and He wouldn’t have used words that might lead to hurt feelings. They confidently sermonize about a meek and mild Messiah who was born into this Earthly realm on a mission to spark a constructive dialogue. The believers in Nice Jesus are usually ignorant of Scripture, but they do know that He was ‘friends with prostitutes’ and once said something about how, like, we shouldn’t get too ticked off about stuff, or whatever. In their minds. He’s essentially a supernatural Cheech Marin.
Replies to my earlier statements about gay rights militants illustrate this heresy. That post prompted an especially noteworthy email from someone concerned that I’m not being “Christlike” because I “call people names.” He said, in part, “You aren’t spreading Christianity when you talk like that. The whole message of Jesus was that we should be nice to people because we want them to be nice to us. That’s how we can all be happy. Period. It’s that simple.”
Be nice to me, I’ll be nice to you, and we’ll all be happy. This is the ‘whole message’ of Christianity? Really?
Jesus Christ preached a Truth no deeper or more complex than a slogan on a poster in a kindergarten classroom? Really? A provocative claim, to say the least. I decided to investigate the matter, and sure enough, I found this excerpt from the Sermon on the Mount: “We’re best friends like friends should be. With a great big hug, and a kiss from me to you, won’t you say you love me too?”
Actually, wait, sorry, that’s from the original Barney theme song. God help us. We’ve turned the Son of God into a purple dinosaur puppet. There’s no way to be certain, but most theologians believe that despite popular perception, Christ looked nothing like this. I don’t recognize this Jesus. This moderate. This pacifist. This nice guy. He’s not the Jesus I read about in the Bible.
I read of a strong, manly, stern, and bold Savior. Compassionate, yes. Forgiving, of course. Loving, always loving. But not particularly nice. He condemned. He denounced. He caused trouble. He disrupted the established order. On one occasion–or at least one recorded occasion–He used violence. This Jesus saw the money changers in the temple and how did He respond? He wasn’t polite about it. I’d even say He was downright intolerant. He fashioned a whip (this is what the lawyers would call ‘premeditation’) and physically drove the merchants away. He turned over tables and shouted. He caused a scene. (John 2:15)
Assault with a deadly weapon. Vandalism. Disturbing the peace. Worse still, intolerance. In two words: not nice. Not nice at all.

Kill yourself.

What exactly did you prove wrong?

Can you imagine how some moderate, pious, nice “Christians” of today would react to that spectacle in the Temple? Can you envision the proponents of the Nice Doctrine, with their wagging fingers and their passive aggressive sighs? I'm sure they’d send Jesus a patronizing e-mail, perhaps leave a disapproving comment under the news article about the incident reminding Jesus that Jesus would never do what Jesus just did.
Personally. I’ve studied the New Testament and found not a single instance of Christ calling for a ‘dialogue’ with evil or seeking the middle ground on an issue. I see an absolutist, unafraid of confrontation. I see a man who did not waver or give credence to the other side. I see someone who never once avoided a dispute by saying that He’ll just ‘agree to disagree.’ I see a Christ who calls the Scribes and Pharisees snakes and vipers. He labels them murderers and blind guides and ridicules them publicly (Matthew 23:33). He undermines their authority. He insults them. He castigates them. He’s not very nice to them. Jesus rebukes and condemns.
In Matthew 18, He utilizes morbid and violent imagery, saying that it would be better to drown in the sea with a stone around your neck than to harm a child. Had our modern politicians been around two thousand years ago, I’m sure they’d go on the cable news shows and shake their heads and insist that there’s ‘no place for that kind of language.’ No place for the language of God.
Jesus deliberately did and said things that He knew would upset people. He stirred up division and controversy. He provoked. He didn’t have to break from established customs, but He did. He didn’t have to heal that man’s hand on the Sabbath, knowing how it would disturb others and cause them immense irritation, but He did, and He did so with ‘anger’ (Mark 3:5). He could have gone with the flow a little bit. He could have chilled out and let bygones be bygones, but He didn’t. He could have been diplomatic, but He wasn’t.
He could have told everyone to relax, but instead He made them uncomfortable. He could have put them at ease, but He chose to put them on edge.
He convinced the mob not to stone the adulterer (John 8). and you’ll notice that He then turned to her and told her to stop sinning. Indeed, never once did He encounter sin and corruption and say, “Hey, do your thang, homies. Just have fun. YOLO!” The followers of Nice Jesus love to quote the ‘throw the first stone’ verse–and for good reason, as it’s a beautiful and compelling story–but you rarely hear mention of the exchange that occurs just a few sentences later in that very same chapter. In John 8:44, Jesus rebukes unbelieving Jews and calls them ‘sons of the Devil.’
Wow. That wasn’t nice, Jesus. Didn’t anyone ever tell you that you can catch more flies with honey, Jesus? Of course, you’d catch even more flies with a mound of garbage, so maybe ‘catching flies’ isn’t the point. While we’re often reminded that Jesus said, “Live by the sword, die by the sword,” we seem to ignore his other sword references. Like when he told his disciples to sell their cloaks and buy a sword (Luke 22), or when He said that He “didn't come to bring peace, but a sword.” (Matthew 10)

Now, it’s true that He is God and we are not. Jesus can say whatever He wants to say. But we are called to be like Christ, which begs the question: what is Christ like? Well, He is, among other things, uncompromising. He is intolerant of evil. He is disruptive. He is sometimes harsh. He is sometimes impolite. He is sometimes angry. He is always loving. Christ was not and is not a cosmic guidance counselor, and He is not mankind’s best friend, nor did He call us to be. He made dogs for that role–our destiny is more substantial, and our path to it is far more challenging and dangerous. And nice? Where does nice factor into this? Nice: affable, peachy, swell.
Nice has nothing to do with Christianity. I have nothing against nice–nice is nice–but even serial killers can be nice to people. They generally are exceptionally affable, except when they’re murdering. That means they’re nice to, like, 97 or 98% of everyone they meet. I guess they’re following Christ almost all of the time, right?
And tolerance? Tolerance is easy. Any coward can learn to tolerate something. Tolerance is inaction: intolerance is action. We are called to refuse to tolerate evil. We are called to get angry at it and actively work to destroy it. Who’d have guessed it–anger is far more godly than tolerance ever could be.
Obviously I’m not suggesting that anger is automatically, or even usually, justified. Christ exhibited righteous anger: righteous anger is the sort of anger that naturally fills our soul when we confront the depths of depravity and sin. It is wrong to seethe with rage because someone cut us off in traffic or gossips about us behind our back, but it is also wrong to feel no anger when babies are murdered and the institution of the family is undermined and attacked.
Anger is good when it is directed at things that offend not us, but God. Just as Christ’s intolerance, like the intolerance we’re commanded to have, stems from a desire to save souls and defend Truth.
Even when we have righteous anger, we do not have carte blanche to act on it in any way we please. But according to the Bible, there are times to use strong language, there are times to cause a scene, there are times to hurt people’s feelings, and there are times when we might need to use physical force. Jesus told us to turn the other cheek when we are personally attacked. He never told us to turn our backs entirely and let lies spread and evil grow. So enough with the niceties. Christians in this country sound too similar to the Golden Girls song and not enough like the Battle Hymn of the Republic. There’s too much ‘thank you for being a friend.’ and not enough ‘lightening from His terrible swift sword.’ We’re all hugging and singing Kumbaya when we should be marching and shouting Hallelujah. We’re nice “Christians” with our nice Jesus, and we are trampled on without protest.
Enough, already.
I think it’s time that Christianity regain its fighting spirit–the spirit of Christ. I think it’s time we ask that question, “What would Jesus do?” And I think it’s time we answer it truthfully. Jesus would flip tables and yell. Maybe we ought to follow suit.

GREAT ARGUMENT, INTL!

I’ll address Luke 6:35. The “love” in “love your enemies” is ἀγαπᾶτε, a conjugate of agape. This is not love like you love your mom–storge–not love like in romance–eros–nor love for a friend–philos. This is loving your enemy like God loves them–agape.
Now, God does not love by making you feel good for doing evil. God does not allow one to sin and not suffer the natural consequences thereof. Christ is saying we should endeavor to reform and rehabilitate our enemies. At first blush, this suggests that leftists are right–that killing them is not the answer. But it is not right to go on letting them kill or enslave young Christian girls to be sold on the sex market, either. Where is your love for our brothers and sisters in Christ? Will you throw them aside for some infidels?
“That which you do to the least of my brothers, you do unto me.” Matthew 25:40 So, with a choice between effectively letting someone enslave and rape Jesus or regrettably destroying evildoers that have already determined to use force, I think it is a Christian answer to fight back. However, at the same time, there are already people fighting back and this Oregon guy does not have the means to help in that way. If this guy is called upon to go martyr himself for the faith, he should do it. His sacrifice for spreading the word will do good for Christ. I do not feel that is what God has called me to do, but the Holy Spirit, while the same essence, may call on each of us to use our talents in different ways. To sum up, 6:35 is not a prohibition on fighting to save oneself or other Christians, although it does put in a strong suggestion about trying other methods first. Just like every secular ideology in history.

I’m going to use a quote from the Bible, to help us better understand what sins are and why things are sins.

Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you. Everyone who sins is a slave to sin.”
John 8:34

I think that Jesus was incredibly insightful on this–the idea that being a sinner makes you a slave to your sins. Taking this idea forward, we can understand that sins are acts that make us slaves to our base drives and impulses that erode our ability to control ourselves and therefore make rational decisions. Even though this is a Biblical idea, you can apply it to examine certain acts and determine if they are sinful without listening to the letter of the law in the Bible itself. If we think about it this way, God didn't just arbitrarily make things sins because he doesn't like them. Sins are sins because they destroy us–because they are self-destructive acts or acts which destroy those who care about and love–which is an abomination to both nature and, if you so believe, God.
Casual sex and pornography are not sins simply because they are offensive to God. They are sins because they manipulate the parts of your mind that are meant to be dedicated to forming stable and healthy sexual partnerships with other people. They are sins because they are habit forming and they destroy your capacity for real love.
Hell, again, exists in more than just the spiritual sense. Look at the life of the true degenerate. Not just someone who occasionally dabbles in degeneracy, but the real diehards. The drunks, the homosexuals, the crack addicts. Are these people living a fulfilling, meaningful life ? Their lives are hell. They don't need to wait to die to go to hell, they're already there.

A lot of people seem to be confused because they’ve heard a moron or two say, “SJWism is like a religion.” They’re only familiar with Christianity, and most of them only have a surface understanding of it. Allow me to tell you why Christianity and Modern Liberal thought are incompatible. First of all, they’re predicated on opposite assumptions. The foundational belief is vital to a philosophy and is the one thing from which the philosophy draws its conclusions. This first assumption is often unable to be proven true or false, but can have evidence to support it. Proof and evidence are different things in this case–evidence being supporting observations, proof being a mathematical certainty.
Christianity’s first assumption when it comes to society is that “people are basically bad.” Now, even though they believe that man was perfect once upon a time, they believe that he “fell” and became imperfect. Catholics believe that this is Original Sin–something you are born with thanks to the Fall–and that is cleansed with Baptism. However, Orthodox and Protestants hold that you are only born with a sinful nature–that you are born with a propensity to do bad–but not with an invisible mark. They believe you are held personally responsible for your sins. They hold to personal responsibility, as people are bad and must be made accountable for their decisions since evil deeds they commit are ultimately their fault. The Evil comes from within, not from without. “For it is not what goes into a man’s mouth that condemns him, but what comes out.” Because of this, they believe that society redeems man; it does not corrupt them. Institutions, manmade structure, rules, and moral objectivity–form walls and barriers for man’s safety to allow him to live his life without Evil. And, within this view, Evil is anything that harms both others and the self.
Now, this is completely contrary to modern Liberalism which presumes that man is basically good. But then they must answer, “Whence comes Evil?” Their answer is from without. Since Man is basically good, if he commits evil then it must be because of some outside factor. In this case, society condemns man and does not redeem him. Because of this, Modern Liberalism seeks to reform society–rather than Man, as Christians do. To a Modern Liberal, since their basic assumption is that Man is basically good, it follows to believe that if the man is left alone, and not provoked by outside forces, (structure, “outdated” morality, artificial “patriarchy”, etc.) he will do good. Therefore, there is no such thing as evil done by the self. But Evil can be done to him, so they are concerned with the individual’s freedom first and foremost, as that means that no outside influence can come in and disrupt Man’s basic default state of “good”
Modern Liberalism = Man is Good, Society Corrupts.
Christianity = Man is Evil, Society Redeems.

Maybe, but at the same time you lured the LARPagans and PIDF out of their cave. Don't tell me you didn't want that. You're asking a bunch of people that make dead kike on a stick praying jokes and tip their fedoras but become the most extreme religious zealots when you criticize their views. They don't understand why Jesus in fact wasn't really a jew, why Jews hated him so much, why jews hate christianity in general etc. They make fun of redditors/fedoras but at the same time they make the same stupid arguments like those people and blame the moral decay of their people on the religion. Most of them are anyway born into christian families but reject it because "muh-intellectual" superiority or they are simply jewish or muslim or LARPagans that think homosexuality and transgenderism is ok because it's inherently white. See picture.

Newsweek cites authorities who indicate that “the idea of a common Judeo-Christian tradition first surfaced at the end of the 19th century, but did not gain popular support until the 1940s, as part of an American reaction to Nazism…” and concludes that, “Since then, both Jewish and Christian scholars have come to recognize that–geopolitics apart–Judaism and Christianity are different–even rival–religions.”
Joshua Jehouda, a prominent French Jewish leader, observed in the late 1950s: “The current expression ‘Judeo-Christian’ is an error which has altered the ccourse of universal history by the confusion it has sown in men’s minds, if by it one is meant to understand the Jewish origin of Christianity… If the term ‘Judeo-Christian’ does point to a common origin, there is no doubt that it is a most dangerous idea. It is based on a ‘contradictio in abjecto’ which has set the path of history on the wrong track. It links in one breath two ideas which are completely irreconcilable, it seeks to demonstrate that there is no difference between day and night or hot and cold or black and white, and thus introduces a fatal element of confusion to a basis on which some, nevertheless, are endeavoring to construct a civilization.”
The few New Testament ‘proof texts’ utilized by Christian Zionists and secular proponents of the modern Judeo-Christian myth are the product of poor translation. Messianic Jewish writer Malcolm Lowe in his paper Who Are the Ioudaioi? concludes, like Robert and Mary Coote, that the Greek word “Ioudaioi” in the New Testament should be translated as “Judeans” rather than the more usual “Jews.” Israeli scholar David Stern also came to the same conclusion when translating the Jewish New Testament.
Few Christians are aware that the translators of Scripture often mistranslated the word “Jew” from such words as “Ioudaioi” (meaning from, or being of as a geographic area, Judean). The word Judean, mistranslated as “Jew” in the New Testament, never possessed a valid religious connotation, but was simply used to identify members of the native population of the geographic area known as Judea.
Also it is important to understand that in the Scriptures, the terms “Israel”, “Judah” and “Jew” are not synonymous, nor is the House of Israel synonymous with the House of Judah. The course of history is widely divergent for the peoples properly classified under each of these titles. Accordingly, the authoritative 1980 Jewish Almanac says, “Strictly speaking it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a Jew or to call a contemporary Jew an Israelite or a Hebrew.”
A writer for The Dearborn Independent, published in Michigan in 1922, summarized the problem thus: “The pulpit has also the mission of liberating the Church from the error that Judah and Israel are synonymous. The reading of the Scriptures which confuse the tribe of Judah with Israel, and which interpret every mention of Israel as signifying the Jews, is at the root of more than one-half the confusion and division traceable in Christian doctrinal statements.”
While the Pharisees recognized the laws of Moses, they also claimed that there was a great body of oral tradition which was of at least equal authority with the written Law, and many claimed that the Tradition was of greater authority. By their tradition, they undertook to explain and elaborate upon the Law. This was the “Tradition of the Elders”, to which the name of Talmud was later given. It had its beginning in Babylon, during the Babylon captivity of the people of Judah, where it developed in the form of the commentaries of various rabbis, undertaking to explain and apply the Law. This was the foundation of Rabbinic Judaism.
This Judaism was very different from the religion of the ancient Israelites. The late Rabbi Stephen S. Wise, who was the Chief Rabbi of the United States, expressed this conclusively when he said: “The return from Babylon, and the adoption of the Babylonian Talmud, marks the end of Hebrewism, and the beginning of Judaism.” The Jewish Encyclopedia tells us that the Talmud is actually “the product of the Palestinian and Babylonian schools” and is generally referred to as “the Babylonian Talmud.”

Dr. Boaz Cohen in Everyman’s Talmud states the Talmud is the work of “numerous Jewish scholars over a period of some 700 years, roughly speaking, between 200 [BC] and 500 [AD].”
Rabbi Louis Finkelstein in Volume 1 of The Pharisees, the Sociological Background of their Faith says, “Pharisaism became Talmudism, Talmudism became Medieval Rabbinism, and Medieval Rabbinism became Modern Rabbinism. But throughout these changes of name, inevitable adaption of custom, and adjustment of Law, the spirit of the ancient Pharisee survives unaltered.”
The Talmud, more than any other literature, so defined Judaism that Rabbi Ben Zion Bokser admitted, “Judaism is not the religion of the Bible.” (Judaism and the Christian Predicament, 1966, p.159) It is the Talmud that guides the life and spirit of the Jewish people.
This is to say, therefore, that the central message of the Old Testament has been fulfilled in the New Testament. It must be understood that it was the position of Christendom for at least 1900 years. It was the position, not only of Justin Martyr, but of such Stalwart saints as Irenaeus and Hippolytus; a position embraced by Martin Luther and John Calvin, the two towering figures of the Protestant Reformation.
Christianity and Judaism are two distinct religious inheritances. The very term “Judeo-Christian” is a mischievous misnomer without historical or Scriptural validity. “Judeo-Christianity” should be seen for what it is–another secular twentieth century, manufactured for narrow political ends, that is supremely disrespectful to all true believers.
Any fundamental unity that does exist between world religions cannot be appreciated by ignorant and secular scholarship, but only through knowledge of the great primordial and universal truths.

Most Christians have been subverted by “Judeo-Christianity.” It’s not their fault. They were raised to be “Christian” and a combination of federal sabotage and Jewish lobby groups has ensured that this is what “Christianity” is for them. Believe it or not, the current institution doesn’t like Christians or Christian values at all. They haven’t for decades. Christians are too dangerous to keep around without being pacified in some manner. The real ones can’t be bribed, are almost impossible to threaten, and will do the right thing just because it’s the right thing to do or tell the truth even if it’s damaging because they feel it’s true and thus needs to be known.
The leviathan the state has become has no love for Christian values or mores. It represents a direct threat to them and their power. Jews and Muslims both have passages about lying to others to protect yourself or deceiving others as to what your true faith really is so as to better attack your enemies. Christianity alone cleaves to the truth for no reason beyond that it is true. You will never see any Jewish or Muslim martyrs. The Christian predilection to make martyrs out of common men is what makes it a dangerous religion to globalism, corporate interests, and other sundry institutions. This is why Marching to Zion is so important. It’s a redpill that will turn any but the most terminally cuckservative Christian to our side. Enormous effort was put into suppressing the evangelical sector of America, the UK, and Europe for precisely this reason. If there is anything that world Jewry and NWO fear, it’s Christianity waking up.
They believe they can suppress America, that they can control the UK, that Europe can do nothing to stop them, and that Putin will fall in line when pushed. They have the Chinese businessmen eating out of their hands, so desperate are they to have a seat at the world table. And Islam is nothing more than a false flag–a deliberately awoken animal made to run amok to frighten and confuse while the real criminals get away with their crimes. When the time comes, if everything goes according to their plans, they will be suppressed and incorporated into the whole, and Islam will be pacified or outright eradicated.
If there is any nation where they fear something could go wrong, it’s America, where freedom of speech is protected–so you cannot simply legislate lies into being truth. If you are an American Christian, you are on the very cutting edge of the globalist suppression techniques. The greatest amount of brainwashing is being leveled at you. If anything goes wrong with their plans–if anything can completely derail their propaganda and turn the tide–it’s probably going to be Christians uncucking themselves. And if it starts anywhere, it’s going to be in America. People have grown sick and tired of establishment “conservatism.” They crave the real thing. They would not cleave so strongly to Trump if they were not prepared to shift towards it. This is your opportunity to actually push this information. You will never have another, better chance to redpill people than right now. Start with the Christians. They’re the most powerful ally in this fight.

The conversion from SJW warrior to far right is more likely than converting someone with regular beliefs to the far right. I didn’t realize that until you said it, but it’s definitely true. I was thinking of SJWs as unfortunate messes that just needed to be fixed up–and they definitely do need a lot of fixing–but it’s very true that they are actually desirable in some ways and second only to traditional women who are already on the far right. It’s one of the hardest things imaginable to take someone entirely apathetic and try to find a way to make them care. So many people just don’t care at all about any of the issues; they’re the non-fanatics of the world that just aren’t passionate enough about anything to the point that it consumes their days and they dedicate their life to it, and those people are the hardest to reach.
Fanaticism though, that can be channeled to something else. If you can find their weak point, the topics that trigger their most intense emotions, and if you can target those points with the right arguments, you can take a belief about which they are extremely fanatical and switch it so that they are now going in the exact opposite direction with an even greater fanaticism.
An example of this is one of my closest friends who was a Zionist for years. He was completely convinced that the Jews were these wonderful chosen people, that Christians must always watch over Israel, etc. He essentially saw himself–and all Christians–as these dogs that should sit at the feet of the Jews, and so on. When I tried to tell him about the Jews, it was a struggle to even get him to listen to me without having him just become enraged and I seemed to gain no ground regardless of how many WWII-related Jewish lies and hoaxes that I could prove to him. None of it made him budge even an inch in his fanatical devotion for Israel.
But then I approached it from a different angle and decided to attack the Jews by using the Talmud, specifically Gittin 57a which is the description of Jesus being being tortured in boiling semen or excrement. Something clicked when I showed him that and proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Jews were definitely referring to Jesus and that they still despise Jesus and look down on Christians as pathetic slaves that they’ve tricked. Just those few parts from the Talmud did more than nearly two entire years of me hounding him with everything I knew about the Jews and their involvement in WWII. Seeing how the Jews said these vile things about Jesus was what cracked open the dam and started the flood.
I quickly followed up with showing him what Martin Luther wrote in On the Jews and their Lies, and then some quotes from Popes throughout history and Orthodox church fathers. Then he reached the point that now when he read Matthew 23:33, John 8:44, and Revelation 2:9 it was as clear as day to him that Jesus was talking about the Jews when he spoke about the brood of vipers, the children of satan, and the synagogue of satan. Practically overnight all of that fanaticism did a flip and his fanatical devotion towards the Jews had now transformed into a fanatical hatred for them that was fueled by feelings of disgust, betrayal, and especially rage when he thought about how Protestant Christianity has essentially been hijacked by them.

The most rabid Zionist supporters are evangelicals, so the best way to counter them is to actually teach them the Bible. Most evangelicals are cults of personality with Bible flavoring and preach utter heresy–dual covenant theology and Zionism, for starters. The following are the best arguments for debating and trumping zionist evangelicals:

Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
– Revelation 3:9

This points out how the Jews, as they call themselves, are not Godly, and that their subversion was predicted.

And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
– Galatians 3:29

This destroys any notion of a Jewish right to the land of Israel based on the Bible, as the chosen people are those that accept Christ as savior–not a particular race and certainly not those that rejected Him.

Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
– 1 John 2:23

This destroys the idea that the Jews are still the chosen people, because they have denied Christ and so have denied God.

Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. They answered him, We be Abraham’s seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. I know that ye are Abraham’s seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you. I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham’s children, ye would do the works of Abraham. But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
– John 8:31-47

Taken together, I have taught these passages to several tea party and conservative groups to massively undermine their support of Israel. You will be attacked at first, but if you learn the passages well enough, you can stump them and change the whole group.

Jesus is the singular biggest enemy of the NWO since He claims to be the Jewish messiah. The end goal of the secular/pseudo-atheist/zionist plan is to bring forth a different messiah, at which point the false Jews who claim to be Biblical jews (but are not)–this synagogue of Satan–will try to install a global zionist tyranny with Jerusalem as the world capital.
They hate nothing more than Christianity, since Christianity condemns their every deed. They have committed countless unspeakable atrocities–human experiments in the name of scientific progress, secret agencies going around murdering innocents, the planning and execution of genocides, wars waged to enrich themselves, killing millions of civilians in the process, turning healthy Christian societies into barbaric, sexually degenerate cesspools of immorality. The atrocities they have committed upon the world are beyond counting and their brutality and ruthlessness in obtaining their goals has no comparison anywhere.
There has never been a more perfect global tyranny than that of today, where a small group of ‘elite’ global rulers control every single aspect of our lives while at the same time making everyone believe that this is freedom. Their NWO is 1984 on steroids.
And Christianity has predicted all of this. The prophecies concerning these developments can be found in the New Testament–most importantly, in the book of Revelations where their entire mark of the beast plan to economically enslave the world has been laid out in detail.
As is their ultimate fate–and although most of them are deceived and believe they are actually the good guys and that they can persevere and win a war against God–deep inside they know that they are walking on the broad path of damnation and that there is only one end to their journey: eternal torment in the fires of Hell.
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets and stonest them that are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold your house is left unto you desolate.
– Matthew 23:37,38
Then answered all the people (Jews) and said, “His blood be on us and on our children”
– Matthew 27:25
But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you to councils, and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten.
– Mark 13:9
Ye are of your father the devil and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar and the father of it. And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. Which of you convinceth me of sin? And I say the truth, why do you not believe me? He that is of God heareth God’s words, ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
– John 8:43-47
Stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost as your fathers did, so you do. Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which showed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers.
– Acts 7:51-53
It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing you put it from you and judge yourself unworthy of everlasting life, we turn to the Gentiles.
– Acts 13:45-51
For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision, whose mourns must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre’s sake… wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith: not giving heed to Jewish fables and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
– Titus 1:10-14
The Jews, who both killed the Lord Jesus and their own prophets, and have persecuted us: and they please not God and are contrary to all men: forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins always: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.
– 1 Thessalonians 2:14-16
Behold I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews and are not but do lie; behold I will make them to come and worship before thy feet…
– Revelation 3:9
So Jewish.

The main problem stems from the fact that the word Jew/Judaism has multiple meanings, but most people don't realize this. This confusion was brought about intentionally. The word Jew was invented a couple centuries ago in English translations of the Bible as a shortened form of the word Judean. This refers to the province of Judea, which at the time of the New Testament was a multi-racial, multicultural area, whose capital city was Jerusalem, which was controlled by the Pharisees. Jesus and most of his disciples did not come from Judea–they came from Galilee–and therefore were not Jews by the Biblical definition. Judea was originally inhabited by the Israeli tribe of Judah, but by this point was quite mixed. Whereas Galilee was inhabited only by the Israeli tribe of Benjamin. The only disciple that was a Jew was Judas, who betrayed Jesus.
The Pharisees were the evil Talmudists who Jesus opposed, and who ultimately got Jesus killed for daring to disagree with them. Later, Jerusalem was destroyed, and some Pharisees survived and became rootless nomads. Along the way they mixed with more people who converted to Talmudism. Then, after the invention of the English word Jew, the Talmudists started calling themselves Jews, and renamed their religion Judaism. They started claiming that they’re the people who lived in ancient Israel, and that they’re the “chosen people” spoken of in the Bible. In reality, their religion completely contradicts the Old Testament–even the Torah–and they know it, but they’ll never admit it. They brought about such a deliberate conflation and confusion of the word Jew that today people now use a definition of Jew that is expanded to include everyone in ancient Israel when that’s not at all what Jew meant originally. They also like to conflate Judaism with Hebrewism, but the religion of the Pharisees (Talmudism) only began after they returned from captivity in Babylon, and the Old Testament religion of the Hebrew people before that was quite different. Today, only a tiny minority of people who call themselves “Jews” don’t follow the Talmud.
The modern confusion comes from the fact that most people–even most Christians–don’t realize this linguistic and historical deception. This is especially true of the English-speaking world (Protestants, foremost), due to modern, bastardized, heretical translations of the Bible, plus a divorce from the true traditions of the original Christian church. They’ve totally forgotten how the Jews persecuted Christians endlessly before Christians eventually gained power through the Roman Empire and started dishing it right back to them. Just like a nation becomes ruined when it forgets its own history, the same is true of a religion. In fact, the same arguments used to claim that Christianity is inherently weak because it has now been subverted can be used to say that Western nations are inherently weak because they have been subverted, or that white people are inherently weak because a genocide is being committed upon them thanks to their altruism. It’s just not a good argument at all.

Christianity embodies the rejection of the Jew, which is why it is the ultimate focus of all their hate. Just as Lucifer was the Lord’s favored angel, so too was Israel the Lord’s favored nation. Lucifer decided that his position in service to God was not enough and sought to elevate himself–even refusing to bow before Christ, thus stating that he was above God. The Jews, too, refused to honor God. Rather than doing as they ought and be the ‘holy nation’–the nation that was set apart from the rest of humanity, that was to serve as a light to all others–they became selfish, started to hate the other nations, and became greedy, claiming that they alone should be first among all men. Not only that, they created their ‘rabbinical doctrines’, which had been in the works for millennia, written by Scribes and Pharisees and culminating in the Talmud that it is today. They sought to elevate themselves and their word to that of God, if not above. They did just as Lucifer did.
So Lucifer became Satan–the adversary. And the Israelites became the Jews–the sons of the Devil. Christians are God’s Kingdom now, and shall be forever.

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Nice persuasion skills faggot.

The failure of our people in the past has always been from trusting Jews. There may well be some good ones, some who genuinely want to make the world a better place. The problem is every time they have been trusted, it has led to disaster. Every. Single. Time.
I say enough. I think the rest of true Christendom agrees with me–we do not need them. We have our own great thinkers, our own great minds. Men of skill, men of purpose; men who can lead us out from this mire. We do not need anyone else; we do not need jews.
One of the few things we will all agree on is nationalism. Due to our nationalist beliefs, we believe that the united people–be it by geographical location, by religion or by genetics–can build a society for ourselves. History has proven the truth of this–our nations being unquestioningly the greatest that the world has ever seen. What led to their downfall? Trusting the jew, taking their advice, accepting short-term gains over massive long-term losses. Small loans from Jews to help us with a war resulted in them worming their way into our society–into media, government, education, and recently even the Church where they defile our beliefs and the monuments we made to God. Taking their advice on immigration. Taking their advice in how we treat money–allowing usury, allowing international banks, allowing debt. Allowing them to brainwash our women into thinking a life of monotony and chasing a false currency is superior to that of raising a family. Allowing them to brainwash our children into believing that socialism is the path to utopia, that communism will work, that it only has not because our people just are not ‘good enough’ for it and thus must either be ‘reeducated’ or removed for their ‘hate crimes’.
The Parasite is our eternal enemy. It is the child of the devil, and we are the followers of God. The adversary shall not triumph over us; we shall have nothing to do with it ever again. We shall serve as a bulwark against it, a mighty shield to protect our people from the beautiful lies of the deceiver, from the poisonous words of the children of he who masquerades as an angel of light. We know now to never trust them, and we never shall again.
There is no need to ever ally with the Jew. If one says something good, express agreement and move on. Perhaps even say that it is a good idea and that as a Christian man of European heritage you may well seek to include it in your own nation, but never the Jew itself, never its people. We must remain forever separate. While it is a Jew it can be no brother of ours. It does not matter what it believes or what it says; it cannot be trusted. History has proven this.
Revelations 18: Rejoice over her thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her. And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all. And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee; And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived. And in her was found the blood of prophets. and of saints. and of all that were slain upon the earth.
These merchants–by whose sorcery all nations have been deceived–shall be destroyed. They will pay for what they have done to our world; this time they will not escape the fires. They will be consumed in the wrath of God and we shall rejoice at the spectacle. The Lord's justice done, and our people finally avenged.

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1. Jewish Hate of Christianity

Anti-Christian Graffiti Sprayed on Jerusalem Convent
bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19798403

Bnei Brak Man Arrested for ‘Price Tag’ Attack on Monastery
jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/bnei-brak-man-arrested-for-price-tag-attack-on-monastery/2013/07/01/

Christians in Jerusalem Want Jews to Stop Spitting on Them
haaretz.com/print-edition/news/christians-in-jerusalem-want-jews-to-stop-spitting-on-them-1.137099

Former Pope Unfairly Criticized by Jewish Lobby: Fischer
theage.com.au/world/former-pope-unfairly-criticised-by-jewish-lobby-fischer-20130804-2r7hv.html

Growing Jewish anti-Christian hatred in Israel
youtube.com/watch?v=fcLTqo4jEK4

How the Jews Treat Christians in Israel
youtube.com/watch?v=IX9Tk2TMA6Q

Israel Monastery Firebombed in Suspected Hate Crime
dailystar.com.lb/News/Middle-East/2013/Aug-21/228119-israel-monastery-firebombed-in-suspected-hate-crime.ashx#axzz2cbMigeGM

The Jewish Assault on Christianity
goodnewsaboutgod.com/studies/spiritual/home_study/jew_assault.htm

Jewish Gallery Promotes Piss Christ Exhibit
thepoliticalcesspool.org/jamesedwards/jewish-gallery-promotes-piss-christ-exhibit/

Jewish Hostility to Christians: The Prejudice No One Ever Writes About
blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/damianthompson/100049072/jewish-hostility-to-christians-the-prejudice-no-one-ever-writes-about/

Orthodox Jews Harassing Christians Outside a Christian Shop
youtube.com/watch?v=tSrFbNwxAlg

MK Ben Ari Rips Up New Testament
ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4257174,00.html

Mocking Jesus on Israeli TV
youtube.com/watch?v=JA6vRC1xW_c

Orthodox Jewish Youths Burn New Testaments in Or Yehuda
haaretz.com/news/orthodox-jewish-youths-burn-new-testaments-in-or-yehuda-1.246153

Tourists Praising the Lord / All Hell Broke loose!
youtube.com/watch?v=UmCJGiL_kpQ

Trashing Christmas
davidduke.com/trashing-christmas-by-thomas-clough/

Why Don’t Jews Like the Christians Who Like Them
city-journal.org/2008/18_1_evangelicals.html

A (Zionist) Jew Says 'We Killed Jesus & Proud of It!'
youtube.com/watch?v=iASHjjuPhKU
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2. Differences Between Judaism and Christianity

Comparison of Christianity and Judaism
religionfacts.com/christianity/charts/christianity_judaism.htm

Judiasm and Christianity: The Differences
convert.org/Judaism_and_Christianity.html

3. Christians Saying Christianity is Not Jewish

Bernard Fellay, Head of Traditionalist Catholic Sect, Says Jews are 'Enemies of the Church'
huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/07/bernard-fellay-jews-enemies-of-the-church-radical-catholic-sect_n_2425711.html

The Bible Calls Judaism…Liars
jesus-is-savior.com/False Religions/Judaism/liars.htm

How Do Jews Get to Heaven?
biblestudy.org/question/how-do-jews-get-to-heaven-if-they-reject-jesus.html

Judaism Exposed!
jesus-is-savior.com/False Religions/Judaism/judiasm_exposed.htm

Judaism is Satanic!
jesus-is-savior.com/FalseReligions/Judaism/satanic.htm

Marching to Zion
youtube.com/watch?v=typ2pl2L47k

The Myth of a Judeo-Christian Tradition
biblebelievers.org.au/judeochr.htm

Vatican Rejects "Chosen People" Claim, Calls on Israel to End "Occupation"
rt.com/politics/vatican-israel-palestinians-catholic/

Who was the Founder of Christianity?
allaboutreligion.org/founder-of-christianity-faq.htm

Why Aren't Christians Jewish?
catholicism.about.com/b/2009/02/19/reader-question-why-arent-christians-jewish.htm
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4. Jews Saying Christianity is not Jewish

The Jewish Messiah and Why Jesus Does Not Qualify
jewsforjudaism.ca/resources-info/the-jewish-messiah

Is Christianity a Form of Judaism?
jewishanswers.org/ask-the-rabbi-category/from-idolatry-to-conversion/?p=3968

Why Jews Don't Believe in Jesus
simpletoremember.com/articles/a/jewsandjesus/

Why Jews Don't Believe in Jesus
aish.com/jw/s/48892792.html

5. The Jews of Today are not the Jews of the Bible

Absolute Proof More Modern Jews Not Biblical Israelites
rense.com/general89/notjws.htm

Ashkenazis Are Not the Descendants of the Ancient Israelites
iamthewitness.com/doc/Ashkenazis.are.not.the.descendants.of.the.Ancient.Israelites.htm

DNA Research Confirms That Modern Khazarian "Jews" Are Not the Descendants of Ancient Isrealites or The Seed of Abraham
educate-yourself.org/cn/texemarrskhazarianjews08mar13.shtml

Jesus Was Not a Jew
biblebelievers.org.au/jesusjew.htm
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6. Jewish Infiltration of Christianity

Pro-Zion 'Christians United for Israel' is Led Not by a Christian But By a Jewish Extremist
davidduke.com/?p=37894

The Insanity of Christian Zionism!
youtube.com/watch?v=qNMFZZOOZLg

Inside a CUFI Summit: Christian Zionists Dance the Hora and Prepare for End Times in Washington DC
mondoweiss.net/2015/07/christian-zionists-washington

Marching to Zion: Christian Zionism Exposed
youtube.com/watch?v=LSmOAWJc5ME

Should Christians Support Israel?
youtube.com/watch?v=yc77RzGRdIw
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7. Scofield Bible

The One-Hundred Year-Old Duping of American Evangelical Christianity – Christian Zionism
ajmacdonaldjr.wordpress.com/2011/10/04/the-100-year-old-duping-of-american-evangelical-christianity-christian-zionism/

The Scofield Bible a Zionist Forgery with Oxford Origins That Has Created Millions of Warlike, Judeo-Christian Zionist Useful Idiots
judeofascism.com/2011/06/scofield-bible-zionist-forgery-with.html

The Scofield Bible, Oxford Publishing and the House of Rothschild
whale.to/a/scofield_bible1.html

The Shocking Truth About C.I. Scofield
jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/scofield.htm

Zionism's Un-Christian Bible
dissidentvoice.org/2009/11/zionisms-un-christian-bible/

The Zionist-Created Scofield 'Bible'
rense.com/general60/zcre.htm

He was a Semite, Jews are Semites, Islamists as well.

Cuckstianity is a Semitic religion, there is no denying that fact.

OP is asking about much older history than that. Direct Jewish influence in Europe is a relatively recent phenomenon, until the last 500 years or so they were just traveling merchants. And even then they were distrusted since many rightly saw them as Jesus' murderers. Good times, actually, they were shoah'd occasionally due to their causing plagues.

seriously? everything in the world belongs to the white man, we don't need a reason.

In his The Fundamental Question of Metaphysics, Martin Heidegger asks the primary question in philosophy, which is: Why do we have something rather than nothing at all? The question may seem abstract at first, but the essential issues Heidegger raises are ones that we all will wrestle with at some point. Why are we here and where has everything that we know come from?
It should first be pointed out that the atheist and the theist both believe in the eternal. As succinctly pointed out by the great theologian Jonathan Edwards, you must go back to something that is eternal because, as Edwards put it:

• Something exists
• You don’t get something from nothing
• Therefore, a necessary and eternal ‘something’ must exist

The atheist claims that the eternal ‘something’ is the natural universe; whereas the theist says an eternal Creator brought everything we know into existence. The question then becomes, which possibility is supported by the best evidence?
Scientists are unequivocal in their response that the Universe we know and live in is not eternal. Every intellectually honest drop of evidence points to the fact that the universe–at some point in the past–exploded out of nothing into what we know today.
Anything that has a beginning (such as our Universe) cannot be eternal and therefore must have a cause beyond and/or behind it. The Scottish skeptic David Hume admitted as much when he wrote, “I never asserted so absurd a proposition as that anything might arise without a cause.” This truth can be put into the following series of logical statements:

• Everything that begins to exist must have a cause
• The universe began to exist
• Therefore, the universe had a cause

Because there are only two, eternal ‘somethings’ that are possible–the universe and a Creator–and one of them has been ruled out by all the evidence we have, a reasonable conclusion is that an eternal Creator is the cause for why we have something rather than nothing at all. This line of argumentation is often called the cosmological argument for the existence of God.
However, critics have tried to attack this argument in two general, philosophical ways. The first has been through asking the question, “If everything needs a cause, then who caused God?” The British skeptic, Bertrand Russell (influenced by philosopher J. S. Mill), tried to argue against the cosmological argument in just such a fashion. However, both Russell and Mill commit two errors when they attempt to undo the cosmological argument. First, they commit the logical error of a category mistake–you cannot cause the uncaused or create the uncreated. Second, the cosmological argument does not say that everything needs a cause, but only those things that have a beginning. God, who has no beginning and is uncaused, needs no cause.

The second attack on the cosmological argument has come from atheistic scientists who have proposed other possible causes for our universe. The two main options put forth are the multiverse (multiple universes) hypothesis and the quantum mechanics theory that purports things can arise and come into existence without a cause.
However, both alternatives fail when studied closely. The Borde-Guth-Vilenkin theorem has scientifically proven that that even if our universe is just a tiny part of a so-called “multiverse” composed of many universes, the multiverse must have had an absolute beginning. In other words, it also requires a cause.
As for the quantum mechanics proposal, it is simply not true that things begin to exist from nothing in a quantum mechanics environment. Anything arising results from fluctuations in the quantum vacuum, which is not “nothing” by definition. Instead, it comes from energy that is locked in the vacuum, which is a sea of fluctuating energy governed by physical laws having a physical structure. No evidence suggests that things come into being from nothing in quantum mechanics.
Both the multiverse and quantum mechanics arguments are examples of what in philosophy is called “drowning the fish.” You can use all the water in the oceans in an attempt to drown the fish, but in the end, it will still be there affirming its existence and presence.
In the end, the cosmological argument for God stands intact. The reason we have something rather than nothing is because, “In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth” (Genesis 1:1). Rather than being defeated by modern science (as is the eternal universe claim), the opening line of the Bible is supported by science. Quantum chemist Henry F. Schaeffer says, “A Creator must exist. The Big Bang ripples and subsequent scientific findings are clearly pointing to an ex nihilo creation consistent with the first few verses of the book of Genesis.”
Dr. John Lennox sums up the overall matter of the cosmological argument well when he writes: “There are not many options–essentially just two. Either human intelligence ultimately owes its origin to mindless matter; or there is a Creator. It is strange that some people claim that it is their intelligence that leads them to prefer the first to the second.”
There is no debate among both atheists and theists that the Universe, the Earth, and life on earth displays design. The most vocal atheist alive today, Richard Dawkins, says: “Living objects… look designed, they look overwhelmingly as though they’re designed. Biology is the study of complicated things which give the impression of having been designed for a purpose.” Francis Crick, an atheist and co-discoverer of DNA, says, “Biologists must constantly keep in mind that what they see was not designed, but rather evolved.”
The theist responds that things look designed because they were in fact designed by a Creator. The teleological (from the Greek word telos which means end, aim, or purpose) argument for God contends that one way we can validate the existence of a Creator is through the marks of intelligence and design that the universe and humankind exhibit. The argument is stated in the following way:

• Behind every complex design is a designer
• The universe has a complex design
• Therefore, the universe has a designer

You are fucking cancer, just like Christianity.

Who is right? Is everything simply the product of time + matter + chance or is there a transcendent Creator? Which way does the evidence lead?
Opponents of religion such as Dawkins and Crick may say things only appear designed, however even they cannot refute the presence of intelligent design that appears in life’s building blocks, which is DNA. DNA represents what is called “specified complexity,” meaning it contains a complex design that defies any rational attempt at explaining it other than by an intelligent source.
Atheist Richard Dawkins admits that the message found in just the cell nucleus of an amoeba is more than all thirty volumes of the Encyclopedia Britannica, with the entire amoeba itself having as much information in its DNA as 1,000 complete sets of the Encyclopedia Britannica. The important thing to understand is that the makeup of these entities is not random, not just meaningless data, but instead is highly organized information.
Noted biophysicist Dean Kenyon states the conclusion on DNA plainly when he says: “If science is based on experience, then science tells us that the message encoded in DNA must have originated from an intelligent cause. What kind of intelligent agent was it? On its own, science cannot answer this question; it must leave it to religion and philosophy. But that should not prevent science from acknowledging evidences for an intelligent cause origin wherever they may exist.”
What do Dawkins and Crick postulate as the source for the specified complexity and information found in DNA? Crick, speaking for Dawkins as well, says: “Given the weaknesses of all theories of terrestrial genesis, directed panspermia should still be considered a serious possibility.” Those unfamiliar with the term “directed panspermia” should understand that Crick and Dawkins say the best explanation for DNA is that aliens came to earth and planted it here.
It needs to be noted that even if Crick and Dawkins are correct and their argument granted, it only extends the issue to that supposed race of beings. Dawkins proposes space aliens for the reason we see intelligence here but he also says that the alien would have had to have evolved as well. The problem is if you cannot get the evolutionary process to solve the information process here on earth, why think it could happen elsewhere? Kicking the dilemma to outer space does not help at all. The truth is those who deny that an ultimate Creator is responsible for the intelligence and design reflected in life exhibit far more faith than those who affirm the teleological argument for God.
In fact, it was the argument from and to design that convinced what used to be atheism’s greatest philosopher and spokesman–Anthony Flew–to abandon his atheism and embrace the concept of a Creator. Stating his position on the matter, Flew simply said: “I think the origins of the laws of nature and of life and the Universe point clearly to an intelligent Source. The burden of proof is on those who argue to the contrary.”

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Using poorly-drawn image macros in place of actual arguments: The Thread

Neither one. The short answer is that Christianity has a Greek soul philosophically, and judaism of the past looked nothing like rabbinical judaism of the middle ages. Its a complex matter that took centuries to develop. Note that greco roman paganism was basically dead by the 2nd century AD

I agree. The problem is what Christianity has become, not what it has been. We neee to reform the church, kick them out, and return to the old way. That means no muslims, no jews, no gays, none of that disgusting shit. We also need a pope not afraid to look the muslims in the eye and to call them out, and declare a crusade every time a muslim declares a jihad.

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What place? What building? Where did whites gather weekly to pool resources and talk?

No argument here.

Say something if you have something to say, emotocunt.

Incorrect. The first formation of a united Europe was under a banner of Christianity in order to fight invading mudslimes.

I would argue that these tribal gods actually caused european incoverance, because we endlessly murdered and enslaved each other over them,

Either way the result is thus, white Christian culture won out over pre Christian culture. Much of it is dead and gone, and any reformation of sorts would bring about something completely new that vaguely resembles that of old.

They can come here, they can proselytize here, and they can be called out for doing so, like in this thread.

Are you claiming persecution by proxy because you heard someone speak the truth about your religion?

Sounds jewish to me.

good shit user, mods pls perma-sticky this

So what is the best version of the new testament to read?

TL;DR of Christianity and why it's cucked to shit.

Nigger, do you even read what you write. Learn the definition of islamist and muslim.

So who do we pray to, shlomo?

You can't claim that Christianity was built for this purpose because Islam did not exist until 700 years later. Rather just point out and say "look what happened, these Europeans somehow were determined to walk to Jerusalem even after a thousand years have passed. What reasons did they have to team up with other nations and travel for war?". And I say the purpose was because there were pilgrimages that Europeans took to Jerusalem. Reclaiming the land was not 100% for the purpose of protecting the Jewish religion or Jews. It was to ensure the safety of the Holy Land and for pilgrims to safely travel to the Holy Land. I say this because at surface level your claim sounds logical, but why are there no books pointing that what you say is entirely the truth/purpose of the Crusades?

Because he’s a filthy fucking shill.

There isn't an easy short answer, Χριστιανός Christianity, meaning anointed didn't actually start with Jesus from a mythological perspective. Ever since Alexander had defeated all the Semites the Greek Cults spread throughout their lands subverting the local beliefs into more Greek ones. Even the Quran isn't free from this and Muslims try to hide this that their book isn't perfectly Semite.

By the time of Jesus the Hebrews had largely lost their ability to speak Hebrew and practiced all their rituals in "Synagogue" Greek, they had to remake and relearn the whole original language in Persia. Whether they ever recovered is for another discussion.

For a Χριστιανός a couple centuries before Jesus's birth and about a century after his death their most important practice was the baptism. Where anyone could give up their old ways and become one of the "chosen" and find yourself anywhere you wanted within the Church of Deus, start your own ministry if you wanted, spread the word. Even to a 1st century Christian John the baptist had more relevance than Jesus. This however all changed very quickly as power was controlled but it some cases subverted by the now angered Hebrews who tried their best at subversion.

There you get the (((Gospel according to Hebrews))), which has strangely been lost to history but was heavily used by (((Church Fathers))) in placing predominance on a Hebrew centered world. Where everyone is a lost tribe of Israel and Hebrew names and stories must be known by all peoples of the world and there is no race et cetera, like putting the Old Testament into what would become the Bible, if the council of worms wasn't so heavily kiked they should have put Aristotle's works in because he was a proto-Christian. Finally the Roman took control of the narrative and you get a few positives, such as the strict symbol of Saturn's Cross being the symbol instead that Jewish Lamb on a post thing the Hebrews were trying to push. Although the Romans heavily go after here say wiping out the gnostics when they could have so easily completely gotten rid of the Hebrews but nope instead the hook nose starts showing up all over Europe and the church only allows them to control the distribution of wealth.

So then you get the crusades which don't do much of any damage to the Muslims but only force them to organize into larger invader armies. Instead doing nothing but shoring up defenses and the Muslims would endlessly worn themselves out, their so called "Golden Age" is killed off by themselves. No other civilization has done that I know of except the Chinese come close.

Anyway Christianity has had its high points but in its form now, all denominations at least in the west are more concerned with refugees and race mixing than the living word so they will have to find what they buy. I bought a 1653 unauthorized Greek bible that was probably written in Cyprus. Cyprus is a great place if you are into math as well because of the churches there we know a lot about Archimedes who met his end there, Archimedes's patron goddess was Venus though so not of Deus's or Janus's family.

Another thing John 1:1 is a syllogism in the tradition of Aristotle. John did this on purpose a lot of Christian writers hearken back to those proto-anointed thinkers as the profundity of logic, "echos through the millennia" as some Greek cultists might have said once, those damn voices in the wilderness, am I right?

See picture for Muslim infection of important Christian sites, that Cathedral was were the "Kings of Jerusalem" were once crowned. The Semites don't hide their moves very well and always go after their enemy directly but by using others to hide their commands.

Negating christianity does not equate denying the existence of the divine.

God exists, in one form or another, christianity is still a lie, however. Christianity is a perception of the divine deliberatly developed by jews to psycologicaly castrate european freddom of tough and ambition.

"But Yaweh, why should i not be allowed to consider other gods, or the teaching of other religions?"
Because its heresy/SHUT IT DOWN

Yes, the churches will be viciously reformed after the creation of the ethnostate.

But that is the highest ideal, the fucking ethnostate.

That is why this fellow

Will never succeed, because he would kill white Christians, his brothers, over nonwhites.

If we want to kill each other over religion it must happen far far into the future if we are to survive.

How the fuck do you get TOR to work on here?

You know absolutely nothing of it, though, so why the fuck would anyone listen to a shill?

sage

probably the same guy you're voting for, chaim.

Since you’re too stupid to figure it out, I’d wager you’re too stupid to be here.

It took centuries upon centuries before Christianity finally established a foothold in Rome under Constantine. Even then, the likes of Tidus and Hadrian which the Jews are absolutely buttblasted about to this very day, wailing at their wall, were most certainly anti-Christian. And while it is true that, for the past millennia the Jews have wished for the destruction of Christianity, they do not seem to fully realise that it wasn't Christianity that destroyed them and it never has been or will be. The real prophesy I see is that the death of Christianity will mean the rise of the successors of Tidus and Hadrian which will finish off Judea and its final tribe once and for all.

Sure thing, moishe. Enjoy hell.

Or just entirely uninformed. This is why we need more people lurking and less people posting. If they are going to make a claim as an opinion and not explain why or how they got to that fact, you are doing wrong and should not post if you do not have something of tangible value.

Third time yu say iam wrong without pointing out any flaws in my logic or factual assertions.

Getting nervous?

No, the problem is that Cuckstianity is a Semitic religion from the start. Semitic tradition, Semitic god, Semitic prophet, Semitic followers, and most importantly, Semitic values.

Incorrect, the first formation of an advanced state in Europe was before the Younger Dryas.

Ever since Cuckstianity entered Europe it has been the justification for Europeans murdering other Europeans for the "crime" of paganism, it has served as the basis for wars against those not worshiping a Semite properly, and is responsible for the actual enslavement of the lower class as tenant farmers.

There will be not one single ethnostate created until the last race traitor is removed. I'm not the one worshiping a foreigner. I have divorced myself from the traditions of those responsible for the problems we face. Cuckstians have no place in a EUROPEAN society, as they worship a SEMITE.

Already done so. That you’re so illiterate you keep repeating falsehoods after being proven wrong shows you’re either a kike or one of their flunkies.

You pulled this out your ass, see image

So what will rise out of the ashes of Christianity? I also made the joke to someone that Jesus Christ was just Woden The Wanderer trying to warn the White Race about the Jews.

Enjoy roasting in hell.

This is why you cant understand what christianity is about, you are looking at it from the perspective of a christian, not from the perspective of a jew.

Someone send me an invite to their cuckass forum.

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Agreed. It would be retarded to kill millions of whites merely for their religion, that would easily decimate the white population. It would be better to reform the church and get everyone back on track, kill the true race traitors coal burners for one, and unite the white race. But I digress, this thread has become a battleground and arguments are useless when shills and anons merge together to fight damaging battles against our own race.

I don't give a fuck about your Jewish numerology bullshit

You mean the concept which Cuckstians stole from pagans because Cuckstianity is subversive filth?

So truth is only useful when its convenient?

The christcuck, everyone.

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The word cuckold didn't exist in Jesus' time retard. Your argument is bullshit

Yeah, so thanks for the input guys. But of course Pagans vs Christs was bound to happen. Thread started off great. I will continue my research.

THANKS FOR YOUR TIME FELLOW WHITE MEN OF THE FATHERLAND

Ask Albert Pike.

I foresee the end of Judaism, by the hands of the Muslims because Christians are so unbelievably cucked.

The Jews spent all their efforts getting rid of Christianity, and they succeeded but they forgot the other religion that also believes in Jesus as their messiah.

I can get TOR in general working.
I just can't get it to work on 8ch.

Everytime I hit the post button it just hangs indefinitely.

Being a christian is literaly being a cuckold, thats what it means in jewish-european linguistic terms, dont you get?

When you present yourself as a christian toa jew, in his mind you are saying "i'am a cuckold"

Do you get it now?

Do i need to make a drawing?

Than there will never be an ethnostate, because we will all have killed each other with accusations of race treachery.

At least, you won't be a part of it. It will either be tolerant of all white beliefs or there wont be enough whites for it to be at all.

If you would kill white Christians who would happily fight and die for the ethnostate, and you can not see how that is itself race treachery, than you must die.

Or you are some kind of DNC Jew or something.

Godless whites who hate Christians, and would kill them before they would kill nonwhites and Semites themselves, are certainly a minuscule part of the movement and will likely not get anywhere.

But fuck, more power to you if you do.

The truth will lay in the result, which I suspect Christianity will be included in, at least for a time.

I am a devout Christian and I would certainly fight and die for the ethnostate alongside anybody else who would fight and die for the ethnostate.

If you can not understand that saving the white race must be the highest goal than I have no choice but to levy DNC, shill, etc accusations.

The old testament is blatent jewish propaganda

European Christianity is a combination of New Testament Catholicism and Pagan religions. It is called a syncretic religion. They both benefited from eachother.

Boom, there it is.

The jews are NOT fucking Israel. Why do you faggots continue to promote this LIE?!
I still can't believe there are faggots here who empower the jews and promote this lie.

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These barbarians did integrate and led to the great European empires. Rome was corrupt and decadent and the states that came afterwards were only improvements.

The European white families. It doesn't preach ethnic mixing like most religions, it just says people of all races can be good Christians. Christian families can always be ethnic nationalists or even supremacists, as Christianity is simply a religious dogma, and the moral teachings of the religion support the Christian nuclear family and supporting it and even speaks out against being good goys as Benjamin Franklin said "Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God".

first of all, modern orthodox judaism was invented as a RESPONSE to the rise of Christianity. Most "jews" recognized jesus as the savior that was fucking foretold like 12 times in isrealite scripture. The ones that didn't were what we would consider religious fringe wackjobs, like mormons or scientologists.
Secondly, when Rome officially adopted christianity, it was codified by a bunch of patriarchs who basically took all the common beliefs of the people of europe and blended them together with Christian ones to create a religion that would unify all the people of the empire.
So, in a sense, christianity (at least after the roman empire) was crafted to be european.

The logic does not follow. Because ' Christ' and 'cuckold' are the same number in some esoteric kike numerology bullshit, they mean the same thing? That doesn't compute.

Cuckold as a word was invented at least 1300 years after Christ and is spelled completely differently in old English.

Let's not also forget the fact that nobody was speaking English in Jesus' time.

Your argument is complete bullshit based on retarded kike numerology and gaps in logic.

Cuckstianity isn't a white belief, no Cuckstian is in favor of an ethnostate. Just ask their leaders, the pope and the patriarch calling for White Genocide through open borders and reconciliation with Israel. They aren't false Cuckstians, they are true to the Semitic filth to their very bones.

I'm 100% on board with saving the white race, but you aren't. You won't give up your Semitic beliefs. If the white race was more important to you, you'd give them up.

No Semites on our soil, no Semites in our blood, no Semites in our minds, and no Semites in our souls. I'm committed, why aren't you?

What's with all the /r/atheism on Holla Forums tonight? I mean to the people saying that Christianity is barely differentiated from Judaism, can you name any influential non-Christian Jew or even Palestinian Christian who lived between 70 and 1500? The European Christians kept the Jewish Bible around yes but they downgraded its importance and interpreted it differently, for example equating the serpent in the Garden of Eden with Lucifer and shoah'ing all the tribal law bullshit. By the time Christianity spread to German hinterlands and thereabouts it was being spread purely from European to European and had no Jewish affiliation. No fucking European peasant in transition from tree gods to Jesus looked to the traveling Jewish merchants and said, "Before you take your wares to the next pastoral fief, let us have interfaith worship together my Judeo-Christian brother," there was literally no feeling of kinship to Jews. The European conception of religion was always unique from sandnigger style Semitism, for example Europeans came up with the idea of divorcing state power from ecclesiastical authority, which had come down from the Greeks. Although the two authorities were intertwined throughout history, the church was generally an entity separate from government, which was an important distinction the Jews never had. Europeans also revolted when they felt the church had abandoned moral principles and had Protestantism & Reformation in the west, again with no precedent in Semitic thought.

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Let me explain it to you as i would to a baby, ok?

Gematria is that in wich jewish mystics used to predict the future, not in exact terms, but in abstract terms.

The word cuckold did not need to exist, neither the word christ.

The logic follows as this:

Gematria ( jewish futuretelling/clarevoyance) predicted, back then, that at some point the word christ would be related to a great cukold/cuckoldry at some point. Exactly as it did.

The jews use the cuckstians, because they are cuckstians and allow themselves to be abused, that is their purpose, as far as the jewish tieline is concerned.

Cuckstianity abides by jewish "cosmic rules" fr lack of better terms, do you understand it now?

Its a semitc religion, it derives its power from semitic worship, of a semitic deity.

Tell me, if we had a referendum only for christians, for all the christians in the world, wich said this:

We will nuke israel and destroy it completely, all the land will be leveled, all the religious sites will disappear. In turn, In exchange, europe will become monolitch ethnostates wic follow paganism.

The christians would choose wich one, their religion, or their race and countrymen?

This, everyone is fucking tired of christians, muslims, and jews pushing their semitic garbage religions on everyone on the planet.

Things large amounts of whites have believed and still believe are white beliefs.

The body of my church most certainly is.

I have yet to speak to the leaders, admittedly, but if the leader appeared the body would certainly follow.

The only thing I am committed to is truth.

The truth is that there must be a white ethnostate free of jews, degeneracy, etc.

The truth is also that the church is an extremely beneficial institution when used correctly. The truth is that it has been severely subverted.

The truth is that we have not the numbers or the time to kill each other over petty things.

The truth is that if you are unwilling to tolerate the beliefs of other whites who want exactly what you want, you are not working for the white race.

I don't give a fuck about your kike numerology and don't need it explained to me.

Oy look, Christ also means "alien attack" in Jewish gematria, this is proof that Christ waz alienz and sheeeiit.

Oy look Christ means "God's elite" in Jewish gematria, this proves Jesus is the Lord!

Oy look, 'christ' means thousands of other things in Jewish gematria therefore these things all mean the same thing and are related intimately

Fuck off semite

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Your religion is a lie and you are in denial, as many people keep pointing out. Ignoring facts, logic, history, common sense and evidence are common traits of a brainwashed person.I grow tired of admiistering medicine to the dead, every time there isa thread like this, christians can't defend their points, call eeryone a shill and cry discrimnation, exactly as social progressives do.

Have a good night.

Wew, the logic is astounding

"Scientists are unequivocal in their response that the Universe we know and live in is not eternal."

Wrong. The Big Bang is a Jewish/Jesuit myth see the book "The Big Bang Never Happened."

The universe is that is and all that ever was by definition. Existence by definition isn't caused. If you cannot understand this then you cannot be helped.

Steady-State works with all non-Jewed physics and so all "cause" related arguments are bunk. There are no rational arguments for dualist monotheism at all. Period.

Monotheism is just toxic universalism to justify warfare and genocide against tribes outside of the synthetic tribe of "faith" which doesn't really exist.

Semetism is the anti-nature religion of Asiatic mongrels who have destroyed their true natural tribal identities and pagan gods and thus are trying to use a single God of War to conquer all peoples less polluted than themselves by force.

Monotheism=White Genocide.

Monotheism=Globalism.

Monotheism Not ever once.

This is what christcucks actually believe. Did you forget the HOLY Roman Empire? The Papal States? All of the noble families of Christendom were ennobled through the authority of the Church. The Popes were quite found of selecting this or that individual to sit this or that throne. The entire cause of Protestantism can be boiled down to the Church so abusing its secular power as to cause rebellions, which the Church then sought to snuff out in its own name. Puritans in England beheaded a king because he strayed from the will of the Pope. The entire term of Christendom itself should do a good job at conveying the nature of the Church's relationship to secular power.

By your own standards, just another example of how un-European Cuckstianity is.

No Christcuck is working for the white race, every one works for a Semite. That's what it means to follow the religion of another race. If you had any inkling of what it meant to claim European heritage, you would understand that racialism and spiritualism can never be separated.

By the same measure, the only truth in which you are interested is a Semitic truth. You believe in their lies. You are not worthy of the respect of the free.

Why do you fucking faggots fall for the intl shills every fucking time

Even 4chan Holla Forumsacks before it was cucked into oblivion by moot knew cultural Christianity was beneficial to the stabilization and enlightenment of Europe and that Europe had been admonishing and extricating Jews for centuries. Atheism creates a vacuum for a religion (Islam) to take its place and/or government sponsorship and baseless hedonism and nihilism. Jews equate Christian with all white people because it was the principal culture of a monolithic colonial Europe for over a thousand years when they talk about annihilating Christians.

Christians want to pursue a globalist minded and multicultural religion while portraying themselves as desiring an ethno-state.

It boggles my mind how they simply ignore the inconsistencies in this logic.

I'am starting to thing christians are nothing more than Stockholm Syndrome:The Religion

Tower of Babel for 500

Continuing to claim that Christianity is not European is exactly on par with claiming that the Islamic state is not Islamic.

We must all work for the highest goal of establishing the ethnostate. If we do not, we will be condemned by god/nature/thor or whatever to fucking racial death.

Can't you understand? We do not have time for this. 50 years or so and its over. Our lifetimes. That's it.

You refuse to give up your beliefs, I am the one who is willing to put mine aside in the name of the white race.

You keep talking as if christianity is the answer to save the white race, when its clearly not, in fact, christianity, and more particularly, the catholic church, have been huge stones in the shoe of the white european civilization.

Just read Romans 1 and Romans 2 and draw a conclusion from there

I have said nothing other than that the ethnostate is the highest ideal.

The answer to save the white race is the ethnostate.

You are reading incorrectly if you read any different

Christianity is already set in place and has historical basis in Europe. The only reason Christianity is so bad now, Christians didn't worship faggotry, hedonism or racemixing in the past, is because Jews have in fact subverted, just like the rest of Western civilization, they have subverted every major pillar of it. But good luck explaining how something vague like paganism would create a pure ethnostate when even the Greeks and Romans who were pagans had fallen into faggotry, racemixing and hedonism as well thanks to subversion then. And if you propose starting a brand new relgion, good fucking luck. The best option is to promote Christian Identity and Positive Christianity like the National Socialists were doing.

You worship the enemy, and you try to justify it on the internet. I'm not the one that has a problem giving up beliefs. Your beliefs are part of the problem, the root of much of the problem. I'm not going to expend any effort reforming something worthless, especially when that reformation would essentially entail creating a pagan-gnostic-christian hybrid which focuses less and less on christianity. Why not just scrap it from the start when it is the source of all the problems anyway? I'm going to focus on making the mystery cults that will actually help your children. If you're against that, you are against our race.

Cuckstianity is anathema to any ethnostate other than a Semitic ethnostate. Creating a white ethnostate which tolerates Cuckstianity is a failing prospect, as history has taught us over and over. Cuckstians are still providing the examples of that truth for us today. The religion is calling for white genocide. Remember, there was no crusade to defend Germany from the Rothschild controlled Allies. The Cuckstians marched to war to dismantle the ethnostate, "good German Christians" and all. Not that the holocaust happened, but here we have another example of there being no Cuckstian clamor to do anything other than defend the Jew.

Hitler thought he could make a deal with the Zionists. Hitler thought that Cuckstians could be tolerated. These were his two pivotal mistakes.

I completely agree we need to focus NOW on proping up christianity, because its a temporary sheild from more direct forms of ulticulturalism. Christianity will be essencial in the european survival on the nbext years.

Holla Forumsacks however should be aweare of what christianity really is, and how it will eventually be replace by a much more ethno-centric religion such as local paganism.

Christianity, as i said before, cannot and MUST not be the end goal, onlky a temporary useful tool. If christianity is the end oal, there is no point in even trying, it will be subverted by kikes just like it always ends up doing.

Christianity frees itself from kike influence from time to time, due to the inherent qualities of the european whites that practice it, but it must not be the final form of european spirituality, never.

Christians cucked out before the elections and voted majority communist, almost losing him the election, never forget that.

When push comes to shove, christians WILL chose their kike faith over their european blod.

I was talking about the german elections wich got hitler in ower, just to make it clear.

intl shills need to go back, this was even copypasted from another D&C thread prior

If we can't agree that the ethnostate is the highest ideal than you're not worth addressing anymore.

Absolutely fine with me if that's the way it should go.

I would argue that that happens to all systems where kikes are present or have any influence.

Several euro countries had "no jews allowed" written into the constitution but even that was subverted.

No kike influence, no problem.

In the ethnostate, what is good for the race will thrive and what is not will die out, if that happens to Christianity so be it.

Look up at the post where I explain how Cuckstians are responsible for that fighting.
I mentioned the Zionists and Rothschilds. Should I mention every kike involved?

You shills have the most inane arguments; simply reading my posts proves your points fraudulent.

Then give up Cuckstianity in the name of the ethnostate.

It depends what you mean. Christ was certainly a Judean, but He wasn't a Jew in any modern sense. Modern Jewish belief is descended from the Pharisees who Christ specifically rejected, and the actual people are descended from those same Pharisees as well as later converts. It's certainly not Jewish propaganda. Kikes hate Christianity above all other religions, though that doesn't stop them from using compromised versions of it (particularly American evangelical sects that support Zionism) for their own benefit.
Not exactly. You can see anticipations of Christianity within those traditions, though. European Christianity is at least as much a successor to Greek philosophy as it is to the religion of the ancient Hebrews.

This is colossally dumb. You cannot successfully build up all the institutions necessary to support a healthy religion if you believe that religion to be a sham. The old European pagans didn't just believe their beliefs were useful, they thought they were true. The same goes for the men who converted Europe to Christianity. Sure, some cynics who thought they could profit personally came along for the ride, but they didn't drive the process.
The Kek cultists have more of a chance of building something real than LARPers like you, because they at least actually believe. It's filled with half-truths and blindness to the greater picture, but at least they believe they're seeing something real.
Kikes have subverted lots of stuff in the west that wasn't explicitly Christian. They're kikes, they subvert, it's what they do.

You go and build your militant pagan ethnostate where all non pagans are gasses and I'll think about it.

In the meantime I'll fight for one that Christians and pagans can live peacefully under until one is naturally selected over the other.

I'm not responding to an intl shill that copypastes his baseless arguments in every thread and claims them as fact. Pinning all evil on Christianity instead of on kikes is something you and the Jew have especially in common in an attempt to switch rhetoric from the Jews to all Europeans that don't prescribe to your specific ideal. You'll bake in an oven for trying to dismantle White unity soon.

There is the crux of the problem, christians can't lieve peacefully, they will always go and try to proselityze and besmirch other religions. Wich is why there is so much blowback against christianity today. Your religion is designed to harass people spiritualy, so they can become mind-slaves to jews.

Some parts of Christianity are European but other parts aren't but that just makes it another bowl of dangerous skittles

I'm not eating. We can make a new European and American identities that are wholly organic.

I don't understand the idea that we need religion.

The Chinese aren't religious in any western sense and there is more than a billion of them and they are the biggest race so the "but muh birth rate" argument is debunked easy.

Birthrates are functions of women's education and employment and religious women are less educated, less likely to have careers thus more children. It has nothing to do with religion itself.

Cuckstianity has been increasing the China like wildfire and so their birthrate is dropping like a rock.

The same is true of India being non-monotheist but they don't have birthrate problem racially except in area influenced by Cuckstianity and Modernism.

The answer to save the white race is:

1. Make miscengenation taboo again, and maybe illegal.

2. Allow freedom of association without state interference (which make require an ethnostate in practice),

3. End affirmative action for females in school and the workplace thus making women want men again as men will be needed again for a decent life materially.

4. Ban all forms of state support without marriage.

The reason kikes are pushing christianity in chine is fairly obvious, as the western ship sinks, they need societal-control over their soon-to-be hosts.

Shit reasoning, shit spelling.

In the United States Christians have lived relatively peacefully alongside all types of beliefs.

Are you retarded?

Please link to the post where I state this. I suppose it is somewhat true though, if you go by the definition as "anything not Christian", because Cuckstianity is not a European religion; it can never be part of a European ethnostate.

I want to build a European ethnostate, you want to build a Cuckstian nation. You will forever avoid the distinction between those two because you have no defense against the charge of being a race traitor. You MUST build a Cuckstian nation or else you won't be accepted, and you don't want to toss aside your Semitic beliefs either. An ethnostate isn't your highest ideal, a Semite is.

You mean you are going to completely ignore the fact that I name the Jew in nearly every post because you have no actual argument. I just don't spare the race traitors either. Enemies without are dangerous, enemies within are lethal.

Lets put this into perspective too, you're replying to a christian arguing for a ethnostate for all white beliefs who is arguing with a pagan who wants to kill all Christians.

Yet I am not peaceful to other belief systems?

Continuing to claim that Christianity is not European is exactly on par with claiming that the Islamic state is not Islamic. Things large amounts of whites have believed and still believe are white beliefs.

The ethnostate is the highest ideal.

Not killing Christians.

You want to kill whites who believe differently than you. You are the race traitor.

I am enacting Gods will by building the ethnostate. Gods will is truth. The truth is that we need an ethnostate. The ethnostate is the highest ideal.

I have no problems with Asian Cuckstians, African Cuckstians, or Semitic Cuckstians who aren't already slated for removal. Those are the problems of the folk to whom they belong. My problem is race traitors from my own race. I don't want to kill anyone from my own race, but I will kill a race traitor any day of the week. To be negligent in that most basic duty is to fail at the most basic tenet of an ethnostate.

So give up the Semitic bullshit you've been fed, admit that it's trash which has been only detrimental to our race, and you are in the clear.

Semitic tradition, Semitic god, Semitic prophet, Semitic followers, Semitic values, SEMITIC RELIGION. Cuckstianity will never be European. I will give up anything for our race, I have more intent to lay down my life than to survive into the future, but you can't give up the bullshit of another race from two thousand years ago. Everything which you claim to be "European" about Cuckstianity is stolen directly from European culture because it is a subversive religion designed to infiltrate cultures. The same shit happened in Africa, in China, in Japan. Everywhere it goes, it changes to mimic and then distort the culture. And everywhere it goes, Semites claw their way into control.

If you can't give THAT up, it is utterly ridiculous that you would claim an ethnostate as the highest ideal. Cuckstianity is simply impossible to reconcile with any non-Semitic ethnostate. I don't care about bridging the gap, I'm only interested in building foundations.

Cuckstianity will not be a foundation for the next era. It is a dead religion, just like the man at the heart of its worship.

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Where did i say we should kill al christians? Stop putting words in other peoples mouth. I said christianity is a useful tool wich should be used.

If i remember right, its christians wich have a history of genociding other religions while portraying themselves as pacifists.

Yet again, another kike trait of the religions.

Its peaceful whe the kikes need it, it drives the moneylenders out of the temple when you have to go fight mudslimes for zog.

It is. We have made it such. Things large amounts of whites have believed and still believe are white beliefs. End of story.

Like those left wing atheists and SJWs who prescribe to the egalitarian religion created by the Jews. Or those nihilist faggots that think there is nothing to this life but degenerate hedonism.

The Frankfurt school (Jewish) explicitly stated they need to rid Europe of its religion hint: which was Christianity

Yet you ignore the fact that I name the Jew in every post as well. Anyway, I guess you better start executing all those white leaders of pro-white movements for being evil Christians. Being an atheist SJW white that is pro-globalism and anti-white is fine though right because they aren't cuckstians. No such thing as atheistcucks of which are the massive majority of atheists save for the tiny amount on Holla Forums.

You can't spell or read.

That is a historic trait of all belief systems you moron.

If you keep repeating a lie it does not make it truth, despite the common saying.

Shill for christianity all you want, its useful to retaking power. Deep down yu already know its kike bullshit, its only a matter of giving your brain time to understand it.

I believe you meant semitic belief systems.

Most other religions do not encourage proselitysm and persecution of infidels.

Christianity has become a white belief system regardless of where it came from. I am not lying. You want to kill all white Christians. You are the race traitor if anybody, end of story. If I wanted to kill all white non Christians I would be a race traitor.

I didn't. Go learn to spell and I will throw you some substance.

Liberalism is now a white belief
Zionism is now a white belief
Homosexuality is now a white belief
Your argument fucking justifies the exact opposite of what we want. I guess you've shown your true nature after all.

Many Europeans being wrong about the same thing does not make that thing right because they are Europeans. Cuckstianity as a religion represents nothing less than racial treason. Foreign spirituality can never be accepted.

And you argue like a kike, putting words in my mouth instead of making actual arguments. Although I guess with the quality of the ones you do make, I can see why you avoid it.

Again, putting words in my mouth simply because I haven't directly stated that those people are race traitors too. ALL race traitors are a problem, that's why you christcucks aren't getting any special treatment. You don't get to try to justify treason by quoting from a Semitic religion or wallowing in the tradition responsible for the subversion which falls to us to undo. Ignoring spiritual traitors is how the Semites won. It was our own negligence, our own love of our kin.

Tolerating Cuckstianity isn't a mistake that will be made again. If you want tolerance, go talk to the leftists. Tradition is about obligation and duty. You are spiritually corrupt, you are failing in your duties.

Incorrect. You listed white beliefs, but not ones that advocate or allow for a white ethnostate. Any white belief system that holds the ethnostate and the race as the highest ideal can and must be allowed to exist in the ethnostate.

You failed to read the rest of my posts.
You have said repeatedly that white Christians must die and that they must be purged before the creation of the ethnostate.

My mistake if this was somebody else, but I believe it was you.

If you want to kill all white Christians you are in fact a race traitor.

Christianity will never be a white belief because its imcompatible with white spirtuality, freedom and ambition, dosent matter how much you want it to be true, it simply isint, friend.

Get over it.

It already is and has been.

The Romans and Jews of the time all thought that the Christians were a cult of kooks. Christianity was not a real religion until Emperor Constantine saw a vision that told him "in hoc signo vinces."

Christians added in pagan superstitions like Christmas so that the surrounding people wouldn't oppose it.

No, 100% accurate. It's your own logic. If you aren't a fucking kike, just admit you said some dumb shit. Your theory on "white beliefs" justifies the madness of the left, which is rather amusing considering Cuckstianity makes one liberal. It's fucking poetic.

Moving those goalposts, eh?
Not really far enough though, I've been explaining for some time that Cuckstianity is completely incompatible with a non-Semitic ethnostate. Even by your new standards, Cuckstianity isn't going to be tolerated.

No Cuckstians can exist in an ethnostate, the solution is for Europeans to abandon Cuckstianity. No one has to die (other than kikes). If you can't give up your Semitic beliefs, you don't get to join one of the ethnostates nor will you be able to form one. You will form a Cuckstian nation, and it will be subverted and perish. The survivors will flee to the Europeans ethnostates and never mention Cuckstianity again.

What is? All beliefs whites have adopted and integrated are white beliefs. This is correct. Are you mad or something?

I have said, three times now, that only those that allow or advocate for the highest ideal of the ethnostate must be allowed in the ethnostate.

I have said this repeatedly. I believe it was one of the openers, so I understand if you forgot.

You continue to imply that Christianity and the ethnostate are mutually exclusive, this is incorrect. Wherever we set up the ethnostate there will be white christians happy to follow until you tell them convert or "you cant exist here." Convert or die. That is antiwhite race treachery.

So what is the point of your definition of white beliefs? You see, we are talking about what is acceptable in European society and what isn't. I am saying that inherently European things are worthy of due respect, and I make careful consideration of what qualifies as inherently European. A foreign religion can never be respected as inherently European. Your definition either grants respect to any and all ideas held by a European ever, or grants nothing. In the first matter, it was essentially meaningless to ever mention the idea because it is completely disconnected from what you consider acceptable by an ethnostate. In that case, it would seem that you did so merely to confuse the issue by deploying vague terminology which you define only when pressed. Oh wait, that's exactly what you're doing.

I choose the ethnostate, you choose Cuckstianity. It's as simple as that. You can ask me to give up anything for it including my life, but you won't give up a vile tradition which is the source of a plague of race traitors. That tells me that you are nothing more than another race traitor.

You see, Cuckstians inherited the ethnostates that once existed. Their parents murdered their kin to spread the faith. At some point, some one then quoted scripture to point out that ethnostates are actually opposed to Christian morals (those people are correct, as well). In every one of those ethnostates, those Cuckstians have had the option of choosing between remaining an ethnostate or becoming a Cuckstian nation and opening their courts to the Semites and their borders to foreigners. Every time, those Cuckstians have chosen NOT to remain an ethnostate. Cuckstians NEVER choose the ethnostate. German Cuckstians voted against it, and the Cuckstians of the world marched to crush it. Even now, you remain Cuckstian instead of committing to the ethnostate.

You are an absolute sham, just like every Christcuck.

It was well defined in one of my first posts.

Explain to me your belief system and how it is purely European, because you haven't mentioned that.

You're the race traitor.

You have succeed in convincing me you are arguing in good faith so I'll tell you this. In my life I have known many pagans, and atheists and various types of Christians. I have given careful study to what kind of life results from these base beliefs. I'm sure you can guess where this is going, most of the pagans I know are absolute liberal democrat voting tree huggers and don't really know that much about their school of paganism. (which I think bears little resemblance to what ancient euros believed, most of it was lost) They, like atheists, thrive on pleasure and degeneracy. After becoming racially aware I decided to start spending more time with my extended family, regular churchgoers. Non degenerate good people, end of story. The trouble with Christianity is determining what God wants from you, many things are taught of this but if you read the bible a large part of the message is that to do good for yourself is to do good for your people. Free yourself from sin (degeneracy and lies) and your society will be pure. I am a member of a small country baptist church with maybe 40-60 members. Nearly all of these members are non degenerate hard working self made millionaires. We meet up every week to pool resources (a lot of resources) and to talk and network. Ultimately I believe the ethnostate will come from these people because they are strong, non degenerate, and all those who I have talked to believe the country will collapse on racial lines, and guess who they're going to fight for? The blacks? Fuck no.

Go into a church and see. See the strong hardworking non degenerate Europeans, because there are so many and they are so strong, and with the right words, the right fucking words they will do what needs to be done. All we need for them is the right words.

You should really have some respect for "Cuckstians" my friend, yes many churches are corrupt and degenerate but they are so easy to spot.

There is nothing in the bible that opposes an ethnostate. When you refer to these country's choosing "between ethnostate and no ethnostate" it is because of the same problem that faces and corrupts all systems, those that want to use it for their own benefit. May they be kike or other. Constitutions have been overridden and rewritten to allow Jews into countries, does this make constitutions and the ethnostate mutually exclusive? NO! It is the loss of principle and foundation that corrupts these societies. The highest ideal must be and will be the race and the ethnostate. This will not be compatible with some christian sects, and they will voice their distaste, be labeled as race traitors and shot or bused away, but my friend you better believe that there are many sects, many peoples of Christianity that will JUMP at the chance to purge sin and kikes to build a racially pure and degeneracy free state.

You can and must not write off all Christians from the ethnostate, we will work with you. We will work in the name of God, and thus the race.

It is also worth mentioning that in this same country community, the churches are racially homogeneous. Blacks go to the black church. Mestizos go to their church, and whites go to their church. They do not mix. They do not miscegenate.

Catholicism is largely based on Greco Roman tradition and so has preserved those historical traditions to a certain degree.

Catholics used to be based about Jews, now they are cucks too. Generally leftists.

>They tried to destroy muh Greco Roman religions too, but they made a come back during the Renaissance.

Protestantism is pure Jew cuck bullshit. Rejecting all Greco Roman influence and fully embracing the Torah.

Among Protestants Evangelicals are the absolute worse. Crazy Manson Cult shit.

Among them, Zionist Evangelicals take the cake and IMO need to be exterminated.

Tell that to Martin Luther.

Jews have convinced you to wait for divine intervention which will never come.

Is it not true that Christians worship the god of Abraham?