Socialist movements by country

I'm interested in learning more about the socialist tradition in different countries, so tell me about yours.

Is there a good genuine left-wing party where you live? Is the labour movement strong? Are most people skeptical towards capitalism? Are you expected to be laughed at if you say you're a Socialist? Beaten? Arrested? Are there any politicians active today that you feel genuine respect and admiration for?

Just to have a basis for comparison, let's take someone like Sanders as the line between "progressive" and "left-wing."

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Oh and if you're in the US, tell us about your state instead. We all know about mainstream american politics but maybe fucking Mississippi or Kentucky or some other state has some interesting organizations that don't reflect the national politics.

That's an absolutely terrible map. I have no idea why they have included a few graphical symbols of various cultures and then apparently random labels for other countries. Like, why does Serbia get labelled and not Bosnia or Croatia? Seems arbitrary.

Maryland here. Before, I basically thought I was the only socialist in the state. Then, in many of the events/marches centered around this time, I met quite a few socialists/anarchists participating. It was nice.

Finland here.
Being a 'socialist' here is completely possible, it's just that it means the same old heavy taxes, big government etc.
And even the 'socialist' parties are knee-deep in idpol.
I do think there is a possibility of introducing the concepts of worker coops (albeit there's no finnish term for them as far as I know) and workplace democracy at some point.

In any case, the finnish left wing is currently in a lousy state.

European "socialism" seems to be nothing but social democracy. This seems to be the way that evolutionary socialism inevitably fails; its parliamentarian leaders will always shy away from finally taking the revolutionary leap, and it eventually settles on being nothing but welfare capitalism. People in Europe, when being told what socialism actually means, will almost always say that it sounds far too extreme for them.

What about the people? Is there a general socialistic, revolutionary sentiment that isn't being attended by the political parties, or are your radicals satisfied with welfare & feminism?

IDK why but I always expected Finns to be very left-wing.

There is a somewhat-legit socialist party in parliament here in Denmark, though the idpol is leaking in a little. It's basically a coalition of a lot of smaller socialist parties, so you got some hardcore tankies and anarkids under the same roof. A lot of their politics are still watered down bullshit, though.

But at least they still have a violent revolution on their party programme

I guess we kind of are. I think workers realize they are being exploited, they just don't really know how, and so they don't really know what to do about it and so the only thing they can do is cling to their government programs.

Same deal in Denmark kinda. It's funny how when you talk some of the lower-class workers who vote for the nationalist party here, they sometimes start sounding a little like socialists.

American living in esfahan, Iran here. There is no radical left that exists here anymore, mostly due to the fact they were not really allowed to exist. That said, there is a strong public sentiment for social democracy (its mostly called Islamic socialism but ultimately it is social democracy)

Lately, due to lifted sanctions our capitalist class is growing exponentially. Class antagonisms are deepening.

I also forsee them clashing with the clergy. The religious scholars in mashhad are ascetics and they have a distaste for opulence

Absolutely. I feel that the academic leftists (who make a big portion of the leftist parties) are too concentrated on idpol theories to actually popularize the concept of exploitation.

I'm from pic related and the Left is in steady decline.

Lula and the Worker's Party started as something that, I think, can be described as analogous to a Bernie Sanders or someone like that. As time went by it started to accept most of our Capitalist system's main characteristics and focus on fixing smaller issues such as welfare, social mobility, hunger, etc. They've been allied with more radical parties, like the Communists, but those have also started to limit their ambitions as the time went by.

On their Left we have the generic "hard-Left" dinosaurs like PSTU, and like all parties in the same vein they never win elections, they are not really influential over any sect of society, and they have a bunch of vague demands that are unrealistic and unpracticable on a legal, economic and political level. You also have the growing PSOL, which embodies the "new" radical Left with an attitude that is probably familiar to most Europeans: a lot of identity politics, moralistic potshots at the main left-of-center parties, stunning naivety when it comes to foreign policy (praised Israel, praised the Ukrainian revolution, Arab spring) and virtually no projects of their own. As some of you probably expect, they're loved by students.

On the rise right now is the PDT, who are center-left and slightly nationalistic. Their programs resemble the Left of the UK Labour a bit: Benn, Skinner, Foot, etc, which is right up my alley. One of their newer members, Ciro Gomes, might become our new president in 2018.

In general, there has never been a left-wing attitude among the population, but people have voted for the Left because the misery was so fucking huge back in the day. The labour, student and minority movements are all a joke, who live up to all the stereotypes of being naive, utopian and economically illiterate that the Right throws at us.

When did that ever stop us?

Actually, that's when the Left is usually good.

Kraut here. Germans traditionally spaz the fuck out once somebody mentions Socialism/Communism and they have been like that since Bismarck made good little hard-working subjects out of us. The failings of the GDR just perpetuated that. German secret services and media also witch-hunt people formerly affiliated with GDR institutions in any way while turning a blind eye to racist killing sprees (I'm not exaggerating).

We do have a comparatively large left-party here (Die Linke) which is knee-deep into IdPol and more than willing to bend over for porky to be used as canon-fodder versus the Alt-Right and EU-Scepticism. They are quite mainstream SocDem in the East with good electoral results (since they are basically the successor of the SED) but do actually unify a huge chunk of Socialists in the West.

Some of their representatives are quite based like Sahra Wagenknecht and regulary speak out against Capitalism, Corporations and NATO and people do usually agree with their analysis but just fucking hate Socialism and are more willing to vote for the Alt-Right.

There is also the DKP (successor of the Weimar KPD) who is hated because of their participation in bringing down Weimar and the MLPD which is a bunch of Stalinist LAPRers.

Italy here.

Being a communist is associated to voting fro Renzi and the Democratic Party, which is as close to a communist party as Alt-Righters are.

Which is kind of a problem, since most old communist voters vote for it, as it once was "The Party" and they will never question their loyalty.

Young people is too absorbed by liberal/idpol politics and do actually vote for meme parties like SEL, M5S (an opportunistic blend between UKIP and Podemos, only now they like the EU), but it's also understandable as the socialist left is completely irrelevant and divided among itself. There are talks about remaking the Communist Party (again), although the strongest sect seems to be the Stalinists.

Which, ironically, might not even be a bad thing, seeing how they seem to actually care about the workers and not give a shit about idpol, this despite their party line being "Stalin did nothing wrong". Of course, the other most powerful communist sect (Trots, the Worker's Party) doesn't really want to join this new communist party as everyone there is a fascist or some shit.

Pic related.

Uh… It's called center.

Is DKP really bad? I've been told they are your real communists. Them and the Communist Initiative.

It always fascinates me how communist parties that have ML in their name tend to be all larpers, brownshirts and knee-deep into geopolitical bullshit.

The Italian one was also famous for calling Hoxha a revisionist, supporting Pol Pot and claiming that ISIS is a good anti-imperialist ally.

Useless to say, no one likes them.

No, they are not really center. They just get a huge hard on by fighting the right-wing on the streets waving Anarcho-Communist flags. The mainstreams funds the Antifa here via political foundations as the Alt-Right poses a threat to their power. This is publicly known and one of the reasons why Die Linke and the associated Antifa are so hated, because they made themselves look like useful idiots.

There is even a group here that calls themselves Anti-Germans, they want Poland and France to annex Germany and worship Israel and the US like a fetish, yet call themselves Anti-Capitalist. They have American and Israelian flags side by side with Hammer and Sickle. This kind of Autism exists here.

About the DKP, yes, from what I've seen they seem to be cool, good mixture of traditional marxism and modern issues. But again, they are basically the KPD historically, which is a red flag (kek) for most people.

I agree. In Germany, they focus hard on agriculture basically copy-pasting 19th century theory with a Stalinist stench.

The funny thing: They must have some rich patrons. Every time there is an election, the towns are littered with MLPD posters. I wonder if they got some of the money that the GDR elite was hoarding before their downfall. Nobody elects them tho.

Hungary.

No.
No.
Yes.
Yes.
No, maybe threatened to.
No.
No.

Italianon, can you tell us in detail the tjing about the new PCI?

In short, membership of SEL and Communist Refoundation got fed up with eurocommunism, pro-eu politics, most of idpol and their parties being pretty much a branch of the DP and are trying to create an unitary, communist platform to follow the legacy of the old Communist Party.

My hope is that the social-democratic constituency won't have as much influence as I'm afraid it will have (the left branch of the DP that left it was willing to enter in the new PCI and, while its membership has been refused, cooperation has been not), and that they will take the Stalinist's attention to workers and criticism to Berlinguer's Moral Policy more seriously.

Hungarians are so gloomy

Pre-WW1 SPD was the role model of socialist parties throughout the world though.

So, basically, the Left everywhere is


This is kind of depressing tbh

Italian here.
To be honest, our mainstream stalinists are not role-players.

If this is a good or a bad thing I don't know, but there's that.

It doesn't help that Finland was invaded by the USSR does it?

Definitely not a Stalinist but you have to give credit for the MLPD giving solidarity to Rojava by actually sending work brigades to build an hospital and working with the Kurdish diaspora in Germany.

workersspatula.wordpress.com/category/mlpd/

Is Antonio Negri as popular in Italy as in the english speaking left?

Bismarck and then Wilhelm II killed the SPD by stealing their topics such as Worker's rights, healthcare and casualty insurance. German people also turned quite authoritarian and socially conservative after their epic fail in 1848 and let the elite taking care of them.

When they agreed to the war loans in WWI the SPD became ultimately cucked beyond repair.

This doesn't diminish their achievements towards the model of organisation for a socialist movement in party form.

What has happened to the Lukacs archive? Has it closed down?

petitions24.com/forum/160229/start/0

morningstaronline.co.uk/a-2893-Heritage-of-radical-philosophy-under-threat

Also what's your opinion Lukacs and the budapest school?

I'm kinda suprised he isn't as popular as I initially thought he would be here, I've heard Bordiga more often, and Bordiga isn't popular in Italy, nor liked.

But yes, he's popular, but not so much anymore, although his thought has been very influential for the shaping of the extra-parliamentary left.

Testament to it, is that local mainstream leftists are still concerned about his thought, and consider it still dangerous.

Spain here there used to be a huge anarchist movement but nowadays it's laughable.
Young people are usually left leaning and there isn't a big interest with identity politics.
The leftist party got fucked hard last elections though.

That has had mostly a nationalistic effect

feels good, I guess

Florida here. Never really had a historical movement, the way places like Chicago, Milwaukee, NYC, had. The state is finance and services in the south, and agriculture in the center and north. The socialist movements and general class consciousness reflect these conditions.


This is rather disheartening, Genosse. In America it is very very popular to talk about the 'horseshoe' of political affiliation, meaning that somehow ML-communism (communism) = Nazi fascism. Somehow if you go 'far left' you end up meeting the 'far right'. I was wondering if that sort of shit is peddled in Deutschland too.

You're right, there is actually a communist party that operates in secret, but I'm fairly sure they membership is in the hundreds by now.

Apparently there is also a Kurdish narxist party, named komala which I was not aware existed till today.

It definitely is like that. People frequently use terms like "Rotfaschisten" or "Linksfaschisten" to describe the radical left. Pretty much everything that isn't washed down IdPol-liberalism mixed with some social democracy is too extreme for most of the people.

Hate to say it, but Holla Forums is right about one thing: Germans are cucked through 70 years of propaganda. I'd wager two third of the population are liberals who want Germany to become SocDem like the Scandinavian countries and one third is what you would call the "Trump-phenomenon" in the States: Right-Libertarianism, Traditionalists, Nationalists and some Nazis.

There is hope though. All the left-party needs is to goddamn adress the real issues and oppose Merkels immigration policy and call it out for what it is: Delivering cheap workforce to the industry and subvert the minimum wage. I mean, last year there was an Anti-TTIP demonstration with about 200k participants. Yes, 200k. The media shamed them all as right-wing and conspiracy loons though.

Poland

Only podemos-like socdems who constantly say they're capitalists, I can't blame them for that at all
Dead as hell
The more rational ones want western-style social democracy, the more insane ones ancap hell
Yes, it is nearly an insult here
Likely, if it is known in public
No
none when it comes to ideals, but we've got some nice Machiavellians

Mother Russia


Who knows? There's fuck ton of parties and sects of various sizes. They always unite and divide, throw shit at each other and so on.

Thing is, no one I know believes that something can be done by parlamentary means. People don't buy into "democracy", it's almost swear word here.
Moscow is different tho, fucking Babylon, City-of-the-middle-class. Hope americans nuke it first when war starts.


No, labour is atomized.
One recent example, we had truck drivers strike of sorts, because there's new law that they need to pay for roads. Drivers, as little petit-bourgeous shits they are, started to threaten general population that new expenses will go into end consumer market, so we all need to unite and protect our rights or some bullshit.
Guess what happened? Lol, no one gave a fuck.
Looks like that dream of yours to pay off truck loan and be your own self-made man not gonna become a reality, such pity.


People skeptical of economy that goes down when global oil prices go down.


No.


Lol, no.


No.


Putin…
lol, just kidding

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I'm interested in the Communist Party in Russia. Are they basically a bunch of old Soviet nostalgia fags or are they actually relevant? Unlike other countries, Russian conservatives seem to endorse them to a certain degree since they are both pro Russian Soviet-style imperialism.

KPRF? They have oligarchs in their ranks, that's all you need to know.

Ever heard of ROT-front and RKRP?


Putin is a 100% porky.


KPRF? SocDem at best.

Chile


no, but in few more years, MIR would be considerated as such


no

Are most people skeptical towards capitalism?

50% the population are, the other half are still beliving in the "chilean miracle" lie.

no
no
no

no, allende is death, the chilean left is death.

I think the failure of the Finnish revolution probably hurt the left more

Not so sure about Putin being a porky. He did break the rule of the oligarchs, forced them back in line. I know it's corporatism, not socialism, but it's better than the de-facto anarcho-capitalism under Jelzin.

He also seems to have no problem with left-winged movements in general, his media outlets like RT promote socialist movements on a regular basis. Call him porky if you want, I'm actually quite glad he exists.

Russian Syriza as far as I can tell.


Dunno, typical marxist rhetoric, little information concerning economic policy beyond natonalization.

Until party achieves state power there's no way to know if they capitalist shills or not.

Oligarchs still own what they stole. Putin is just a talking head.
There's less chaos now because period of initial accumulation ended, there's rules now.

He pretty much dispossessed some of them and sent them to the gulag, lel. The loyal ones are still in power but on a leash. Socialist, Capitalist, Fascist or whatever you want to call him - he is pretty much a president for the people and hasn't done any harm to any true socialist movements. I respect him for that. Just because someone doesn't share my ideology I can still recognize ones achievements, especially when it's against international neoliberalism (he is not a neoliberal).

Rural Nevada, USA
No.
No
Are most people skeptical towards capitalism?
Not at all.
Possibly, I'd expect anger more though.
Doubt it.
No.
Not really. Maybe Bernie Sanders though I don't agree with all his viewpoints. Ralph Nader as well. Only living socialists alive I kinda admire are probably the Castro brothers in Cuba.

This is what needs to change…I think the world economy is going to face tough times soon, we need charismatic smart socialist leaders to offer an alternative to the masses.

You live in some fantasy world.
Privatization of everything is our motto. Lol, faggots even started privatization of defence enterprises, thing that even Yeltzin never did.

Norway here. There is just one somewhat serious communist organization, the communist party og Norway. It is very small though. It seems to gradually deviate from focusing on worker class consciousness, to rather focus on peace rallies and legalization of weed and speculations about the CIA and struggling with encroaching libtardism. Though they seem to have avoided the islam fetish commonly seen in more libtard organizations.

The older people there seem to be decent M-Ls though.

Word of advice: Don't go there.

t. former member of Communist Refoundation, Italy.

vai pra cuba :^)

I once fell a little in love with a qt from Rifondazione (outside of Italy in a completely non-political context she did not know my power level and I learned of her membership from pics on her facebook page).

Have I missed my last opportunity to get a qt commie gf?

that is quite spooky my dear porkie

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SocDem works fine, until too many immigrands come and they can't all get jobs and then the people go FullNazi as they'd rather blame niggers than admit there is anything wrong with their perfect system.


There is this "movement" of "We are new, and we don't have ideology, so vote for us cause we are new without old ideologies". Not sure where this is going. I mean, I Greece it was funded by the system to act as a third will… though it failed and Syriza got elected…

Anyway, Greece:
Sure. Dependes on your ideology though. Want trotskism? We have. Want alt-left? We have. Stalinism? KKE 5%. Maotism? OAKKE. Hoxhaism? .. not sure if ML KKE or KKE (ml).. one is hoxha other is mao…

Was. But then Syriza came and noone has the will to fight anymore…

Nah. IMO they are in denial, or simply "b-but, what can I do about it??? On the other hand, combined left adds up to 10%…

What kind of socialist and who are you telling it to?

It's 2016, so the Nazis don't do much anymore.

Only if you're an anarkid on rallies.

Sure. Those that left Syriza last year.

Marxist Leninist Party. During the revolution they had a good plan for an agricultural reform but they were against most of the strikes in the revolutionary process. They served to appease the people to stop organizing and they were against a civil war.
>good book on the issue libcom.org/library/portugal-impossible-revolution-phil-mailer

Nowadays, they seem to be happy for having some role in Portuguese society today, in the parliament and unions, even though they won't grow as a party anytime soon.


Around 2013 they decided to change the party and end all different major factions inside it and group them up in just one faction. Since then the party power is more centered on fewer people.
Their political praxis would be very social democrat nowadays even though they still talk about marxism and the major social movements in a lefty position. Few people there know theory they seem to get their facts from tumblr or john oliver.

And they are a pretty incoherent party which follows the tide on public opinion:

Each week you will find them defending a contradicting issue from the one last week.

Punks who don't like to work and squat or live in the streets like homeless but think they are very revolutionary.

We have a long history of anarchism that shares some of its history with the Spanish movement but now it's mostly dead. Although some anarchist projects are blossoming around the country, but they are few. Still no anarchist unions even though some people contact our IWA branch, we still don't have the logistics to help people organize, or the money to get a lawyer if needed.

What? italian here, and most commies we have are fucking trots or revisionists. the only stalinists are in pmli and they are autistic maoists that support isis, called hoxha a troskite and dont support drpk. t. a proper stalinist

You know you're a tankie when you call Hoxha a trot.

you have great anarchists in Italian history why would you go to the path of authoritarianism?

Not european or anything but my state's house of reps has one member of The Working Families Party. Which is the only party I know of in the US with representation that is officially social democratic

I want Strelkov in power

bump

Literally worse than Bernie

Turkey reporting in.

No. The communist party is a bunch of illiterate dipshits who pray to Lenin/Stalin like a god and the party gets split up every year or two. It's like after the point they start to have an actual momentum they instantly lose it because inner-party power struggle memes. Other than that, the main opposition party CHP claims to be social democrats, but the country is so fucked up now that genuine discussion of economic policy never takes place. Turkey is a neo-liberal shithole with a balloon economy which is to collapse soon. (hopefully)

On the other hand, from the very limited viewpoint I've seen and participated in, anarchists are equally retarded. They don't read, are incompetent, and most importantly, suck at organizing and propaganda. They alienate their potential supporters from square fucking zero by merely spewing kewl lefty buzzwords that people have been hearing for decades. Oh, they also spawn randomly at demonstrations every now and then and turn peaceful protests into confrontations with the cops so that's why being an anarchist is frowned upon in the Left community. If they're any peeps from DAF or LAF here, fuck you, you are a bunch of pretentious idiots.
Surprisingly it is relatively strong. Unionization is widespread, mostly in the industry, but the pigs and the state try their best to reduce that.
I guess so, it's kinda hard to tell, but I'd say most are indifferent. There is however a deep hatred of American imperialism so in a way, yes. But neo-liberal economic policies took off in the 1980s so the industrialization and the moving away from agrarian life was very hasty.
No, but you are probably regarded as a godless atheist, a Russian spy, an Alevi or a Kurd.
Yep.
Nah.
The Kurdish party HDP actually started off very good, they gained a lot of support from Kurdish voters who previously voted for Erdoğan, and tbh their MPs are the most sane and well educated ones in the parliament. However, they never could got rid of being regarded as the legal front of PKK, and trust me, people fucking HATE the PKK (including nearly half of the Kurdish population). They couldn't juggle the balance between Öcalan and their voters (i.e not condemning PKK violence outright but not supporting it too -because it's literally political suicide). In truth, they were pretty decent but failed at the game.

Also there is a widespread belief in the left that autonomy and/or independence for the Kurdish minority = epik new gommunist Kurdistan :DDD. They fail to see that the Kurdish, just like the rest of the country, are mostly moderate somewhat-reactionary Muslims without a class consciousness.

Lastly, Erdoğan promised full citizenship to 3 million Syrian refugees now, so everyone is literally losing their shit and suddenly hating Syrians. It's like we loved them 3 months ago. wtf.