Child pornography v/s snuff / horrible deaths

Lincoln Morales
Lincoln Morales

Do you believe watching child pornography, just for morbosity, is worse than watching snuff?
Assuming that looking to CP and snuff does not encourage people to make more of both

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Jaxson Hughes
Jaxson Hughes

they are both bad

Jackson Russell
Jackson Russell

equally bad? horrible deaths and snuff(not all) is legal, while CP is not, also, people get very offended when watching CP while a lot of people look snuff just for pleasure ( ejem, this chan)

Josiah Martin
Josiah Martin

most child porn stars actually enjoy filming.

it's not until adults start telling them that they've been victimised that they actually experience any degree of distress or trauma.

Wyatt Parker
Wyatt Parker

this

Dylan Cook
Dylan Cook

I agree a lot of the suffering abused people feel comes from the shame and the victimization society puts on them, I mean, One professor on my college touched and tried to kill a student and everyone as talking about how this student's life would never be the same, that her life was fucked … Imagine the same case but talking about CP

John Hall
John Hall

You shouldnt watch either OP Fag

Connor Hernandez
Connor Hernandez

hahahah shit, i meant kiss, KISS, fuck

Cameron Jackson
Cameron Jackson

I don't, Just asking because there are a lot of rekt/gore threads with people laughing and making jokes, but someone puts a CP image and everyone gets offended, like you

Jayden Brooks
Jayden Brooks

Typiical pedo justtification for their degeneracy

Colton Gonzalez
Colton Gonzalez

gore = cp

You must be joking pendejo qlao de 19 años que se jura maduro

Samuel Evans
Samuel Evans

It's typical because it makes sense, faggot.

Hunter Myers
Hunter Myers

(you)
enjoy

Ethan Collins
Ethan Collins

DO IT

Matthew James
Matthew James

No. Its typical because its the pnly way pedos have rationalize their mental illness

Christian Baker
Christian Baker

Then cp=gore=ilegal or cp=gore=legal?

Jace Roberts
Jace Roberts

It reminds little of the debate alcohol vs drugs. It is probably as bad to be addicted to both.

Brandon Diaz
Brandon Diaz

How do you know that pedo's are incapable to sense other people's suffering?

Joshua Robinson
Joshua Robinson

sounds interesting, though i was just looking to the "pedophile is natural" thread and people were just throwing shit to eachother, Now i see chan are not places for discussion about sensitive topics, going back to reddit then

Lincoln Carter
Lincoln Carter

why is gore so bad?

Jaxon Hill
Jaxon Hill

Because, if they were capable of empahty, they wouldn't children through the suffering that they put, when they fuck them.

Jace Williams
Jace Williams

We all know the best child porn star is Emily Bloom amiriteguize?

Dylan Hall
Dylan Hall

no, pic related is

Adam Ward
Adam Ward

kys

Nathaniel Robinson
Nathaniel Robinson

t. pedo who isn't capable of refuting my argument.
kys tbh

Owen White
Owen White

I don't think it is bad, people watches gorish and violent movies and no one get offended, and i think the same with CP, as long as cp and gore does not encourage pedophilia and murders/snuff, then I am ok with both, I even think that CP and gore are good ways for pedophiles and violent psychopats to at least not have the need to go for children, All that said, obviously this does not make any CP film maker less criminal, they should get life or death

Evan Morales
Evan Morales

there is child porn and "child porn"
latter i don't consider so bad but first is degenerate child abuse

Luke Green
Luke Green

life is suffering anyway

Robert Martinez
Robert Martinez

"life is suffering anyway.
So, lets put innocent children through more unnecessary suffering, just for my sheer pleasure"
Every pedo on earth

Carson Gray
Carson Gray

If pleasure from CP > remorse of making damage to a child Then they can still feel empathy and be abusers
Also, PASSIONS, people is not rational, even though you might be a very empathical person, you would kill someone that killed or raped someone you love, in the same way, a pedo is so fucking sick that they are capable of fucking a girl when she is in front of them, they are sick

Grayson Lopez
Grayson Lopez

equally bad?
depends on the video

Brody Ramirez
Brody Ramirez

Every pedo on earth
implying

Dominic Flores
Dominic Flores

I think you must be a psychopathic savage to impose anyone to obey and follow your rules and ideology, in my opinion, everyone, all humans, are free to do whatever they want with their lifes and see and listen whatever they want, its not the medieval times, so no one should have the power to set a punishment to anyone because what they want and what they do in their time alone, unless you kill or kidnap a child, you are good to do whatever you want. ¨Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using his intelligence; he is just using his memory.¨

Samuel Sanchez
Samuel Sanchez

I liked it for some reason

Oliver Baker
Oliver Baker

implying that not all pedos are abusers

Aaron Howard
Aaron Howard

shit i read the stuff on the computer, now it makes me sick

Hunter King
Hunter King

you want to satisfy your dick
everything else is just you trying to polish and make it look somehow valiant

unironically im lawful good pedo tbh

Landon Morgan
Landon Morgan

I'm not even pedo. It's just so fun to bait the antis.

Zachary James
Zachary James

unironically im lawful good pedo tbh
I belive you, if you tell you never hurt a child. Some pedos are capable of restraining their desires. But you got to admit, the majority acts on their desire to fuck kids. And that is disgusting

Jacob Torres
Jacob Torres

It's degeneracy, OP. Allowing CP to be an okay thing is just asking to let the gates of hell open.
Deaths are horrible so what but allowing chaos to run free is worse.

Nolan Stewart
Nolan Stewart

this tbh

Jackson Campbell
Jackson Campbell

I don't get how do you know that allowing CP to flow for free is worse than allowing torture and death videos to flow for free, and, my question is about morals, what is worse morally, watching CP or watching snuff

Dominic Lee
Dominic Lee

I'm not even pedo. It's just so fun to bait the antis.
This.

Jordan Bell
Jordan Bell

your life is

William Rogers
William Rogers

Your agrument contains nothing but smoke and mirrors.
You claim
1. It's wrong (Not an argument)
2. Allowing CP will open the gates of hell (Slippery slope fallacy)

Elijah Flores
Elijah Flores

It will be a problem if you associate your sexual drive with certain subjects. CP or sexual sadism are not usually appreciated. Add torture animals and you have a recipe for a prospective serial killer.

Andrew Watson
Andrew Watson

How do you know the majority? Obviously pedos that don't hurt kids will never tell anyone they are pedos, no pedo admits being pedo, at least almost no one. And I suppose Pedophile is an spectrum, not all pedo's like boys the same

Ethan Phillips
Ethan Phillips

Because, if they were capable of empahty, they wouldn't children through the suffering that they put, when they fuck them.
Learn to express yourself properly.

Andrew Carter
Andrew Carter

That's a pretty good observation, never thought of that. So, since sexual drive is the strongest drive we have (besides the will to live and avoid horrible pain) then people watching CP will produce to pedos to increase the relationship between sexual pleasure and children. I totally agree with that. And since gore and snuff is not linked to any kind of sexual or strong pleasure, then it is safe to say that people are not motivated to kill or hurt other people just because of watching snuff ( the same way kids are usually not motivated by video games to kill people)
Now i think i am completely against watching CP, thanks.

Owen Nelson
Owen Nelson

the majority
But then, weren't they all?

Gabriel Bailey
Gabriel Bailey

English can be tricky sometimes for non english speakers. Back off, faggot
Some pedos never urt children. They just beat their meat to pixels on their computers.

Aaron Moore
Aaron Moore

Actually I think that it is only a rather small minority of pedophiles who sexually assault children. Just that you can't fulfill a strong desire doesn't mean that you will act highly unethical. Child pornography might be another issue. The same goes for incels.

Also pedophilia is indeed a spectrum. Studies suggest that all men are sexually attracted to children to a certain degree. I think only someone who is much more attracted to children than to other adults is a real danger.

Julian Foster
Julian Foster

English can be tricky sometimes for non english speakers. Back off, faggot
I'm a non-native speaker myself. If you had been a bit more thorough the sentence would probably be much more understandable.

Some pedos never urt children. They just beat their meat to pixels on their computers.
I'm sure you also beat your meat to pixels on your computer.

Camden Diaz
Camden Diaz

interacted with 17 yr old @12, enjoyed it, only cared when people victimized me.

tho filming is a different. you can't account for what is away from the screen. also, i knew that i was giving someone what they wanted, but if i was smaller and/or stupider, i wouldn't have known any better.
it would have been better if none of that happened, but im lucky i didnt give a fuck then.

that's not to mention that you know who's looking at you when you're showing them, but when someone takes pictures, suddenly theres a whole secret community that could be fapping to you without your knowledge. it's definitely more humiliating to people who are more fragile than i was.

don't do it. and don't promote it. because either it's terrible, or it's, by a slim chance, pretty o.k. what would cause you to risk that chance other than for perverted selfishness?

Liam Murphy
Liam Murphy

tbh i admitted to a normie friend and he was cool with it
it was a risk i had to take. it's good to have an "outsider" you can talk to
besides when someone knows there's no slipping

Jeremiah Nguyen
Jeremiah Nguyen

it would have been better if none of that happened, […]
Why?

Chase Torres
Chase Torres

NOT AN ARGUMENT
smoke and mirrors
(YOU) & ==SAGE==

If we allow one part of this degeneracy to spread then another mental faggot will think his degeneracy is okay and so on and so on until chaos is normalized with no control. Children can't consent, change it to whatever argument you can but you can't twist the facts.

You're just like one of those idiots who say "gender is on a spectrum". Stop promoting mental illness goldberg

Brody Clark
Brody Clark

You admitted it to a friend, but not to the world. The most people only hear about pedophiles than they act after their desires.

Also, why don't you find out how he thinks about pedophiles in general, before you admit it to him?

Ryder Green
Ryder Green

than they act after their desires
*when

Benjamin Phillips
Benjamin Phillips

I don't believe in "pedo" boogeymen. Finding an underage person attractive isn't remotely immoral or abnormal. If people were honest with themselves they'd realize this.

Thomas Torres
Thomas Torres

believe me admitting to a friend was a lot already
can't come open to the "world" with the current stigma
it would wreck job opportunities and hurt family relationships

Also, why don't you find out how he thinks about pedophiles in general, before you admit it to him?
being drunk helped but i had planned it for while and felt he could be trusted with it

Sebastian Miller
Sebastian Miller

because of the risk that i mentioned later mainly.

it's for pleasure as all sex is with someone who can't get pregnant. But why do something that has the risk of messing with someones mental health(Both the experience, having conflicting feelings about it, and the victimization and such that may follow.) and jailtime?

It makes more sense for me not to have been involved in any of that. it's the route where things are definitely ok, rather than being 'luckily ok'.
I'm still happy they are ok. i can just totally imagine people who, in my situation, would have acted the exact same way and turned out TERRIBLE, without it being their fault. so i am still against it, if any of that made sense..

this was sort of a ramble tho, so if you want i can try to reformat things and rephrase, and cut out the fat so all of this is more organized and concise.

Grayson Jenkins
Grayson Jenkins

why do you assume you know what others believe to be true?
have you considered it's just that you are abnormal?

That's not to say perfectly normal in 8ch/b/ community, but that's beside the point. the normalness in this community might even convince you to feel more normal generally, as if it's some kind of representative sample of the way normal people feel.

Noah Gutierrez
Noah Gutierrez

believe
I mean feel. deep inside.

Charles Jenkins
Charles Jenkins

I don't believe in "pedo" boogeymen. Finding an underage person attractive isn't remotely immoral or abnormal. If people were honest with themselves they'd realize this.
If you find underage people after they entered puberty attractive you are not pedophilic but herbephilic. Maybe this confusion occurs because English-speakers sometimes call all minors “children” (which sounds a bit odd for me as a German).

Owen Rivera
Owen Rivera

can't come open to the "world" with the current stigma
it would wreck job opportunities and hurt family relationships
Yes, you must be crazy to do this. Especially in the US.

Jaxon Jones
Jaxon Jones

herbephilic
herb
you mean, i eat grass?

James Nguyen
James Nguyen

and the victimization and such that may follow.) and jailtime
You think that the society can be an important cause of potential problems?

Ryder Ramirez
Ryder Ramirez

herbephilic
herb
you mean, i eat grass?
No, I did get the word wrong. It should be “hebephilic”.

Jonathan Fisher
Jonathan Fisher

germany's age of consent is 14

i envy you.

Daniel Ramirez
Daniel Ramirez

People can be hypocritical and assume anyone going against convetion must have a sickness. I used to think all pedos were monsters, until I discovered child modeling and saw that there was nothing strange about being attracted to minors. It's far more common than people would like to admit.

Ayden Jones
Ayden Jones

It's far more common than people would like to admit.
Definitely. Studies suggest that every man has pedophilic tendencies, not to mention hebephilic.

Isaac Cox
Isaac Cox

(((studies)))

Isaac Nguyen
Isaac Nguyen

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Tyler Lopez
Tyler Lopez

t. Alex Jones

Cooper Bell
Cooper Bell

t. Joe Rogan

Samuel Ward
Samuel Ward

Not my fault children are hot.

Isaac Scott
Isaac Scott

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Colton Watson
Colton Watson

Personally I think snuff videos are worse than CP.
Like it or not theres a connection between CP possession being legalized and a drop in not only sex crimes but all crime across the board where watching a video of someone being tortured to death will do nothing but desensitize someone to torture and death which isn't a good thing for obvious reasons.

Dominic Lopez
Dominic Lopez

Gore is pretty normal to me now. Too many antis spam scat, gore, ponies and furry shit and it has lost it's effect on me.

Brody Myers
Brody Myers

As it has for almost anyone who frequents imageboards.
Its not hard to see the problem in getting people acclimated to watching horrific deaths as that makes for the most efficient killers.
Not that everyone who sees gore will become a killer of course but those who would kill will be a hell of a lot better at it if they've already watched tons of people die horribly online.

Thomas Taylor
Thomas Taylor

There's always one anti that says 'Watching CP will lead to the desire to replicate said child abuse' and when pedos bring up the same situation with gore the anti never rebukes it.

Anthony Sullivan
Anthony Sullivan

Well anyone watching porn already has a desire to replicate what they're watching thats why they can get off to watching it in the first place.
The key point is if watching CP would make you more likely to act out on those desires and all evidence we have points to the contrary.
Moralfags have never cared for evidence though, its all feels over reals for them.

Elijah Murphy
Elijah Murphy

Ever heard of Stockholm Syndrome?

Jackson Morgan
Jackson Morgan

I wonder if they're geniunely retarded or just pretending, probably the former.

Brody Stewart
Brody Stewart

If a sex negative feminist told you every porn star had stockholm syndrome would you take them seriously?

Andrew Reed
Andrew Reed

I don't hold it against them just like I don't hold it against a religious person for believing what they do.
Its just a result of where they were raised, not really any fault of their own.

Carson Howard
Carson Howard

You bet
Those kids being fucked on camera are literally having the time of their lives!

Easton Miller
Easton Miller

The main stream media told me all CP is brutal rape so it must be true

Charles Richardson
Charles Richardson

the joy, the blissful happiness, the wetness and the moans of the children are all fabricated

Ryder Morales
Ryder Morales

I happen to agree with everything that has been said in this thread - except for the parts I do not agree with, which are the contents of this thread

Jose Scott
Jose Scott

this any better?

Elijah Morris
Elijah Morris

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Money

These kind of (((studies))) ?

Benjamin Morris
Benjamin Morris

It's not worse than watching snuff, but that's setting the bar low. It's burying the bar in the backyard and hoping the cops don't realize how low you've set it.

Dylan Campbell
Dylan Campbell

Actually CP is not bad. its legal back then 70's, there is also a porn industries of cp. but as day grow. people are afraid of the law. tbh we all want Underage.
i know some pedomom and women out there. yes women is also a pedophile too.

Landon Edwards
Landon Edwards

Kids shouln't hace jobs.

Jaxson Powell
Jaxson Powell

Thats fucking hot

Angel Baker
Angel Baker

Do you have more pictures of her what sher name?

Grayson Brooks
Grayson Brooks

if thats not shooped ill eat my own ass out

Gabriel Watson
Gabriel Watson

Rilee Marks

Tyler Gonzalez
Tyler Gonzalez

GODDAMN I'M GOING TO MASTURBATE!

Isaiah Rivera
Isaiah Rivera

GODDAMN!
we struck gold.

Jackson Moore
Jackson Moore

I just came goddamn.

Blake Cooper
Blake Cooper

Well here is some logic. How does simply viewing something contribute to its existence or the support and making of more of said thing?

If this was truly the case then pirating movies would be viewed as a positive and no one would want to prosecute people who pirate movies and video games.

tl;dr
Just because someone faps to a picture of the Mona Lisa doesn't mean that person wants to rape murder Leonardo Da Vinci.

Cameron Watson
Cameron Watson

Okay, so here's the down-n'-dirty on the rationale for being so uptight about child porn:

1. Consuming child porn will invariably (or rather often) lead to a psychological demand for more, resulting in an ever increasing market for the material, with the direct effect of children being abused to produced such content. In essence, it'll become addictive and spur on a vicious cycle of rape and abuse in its wake. There is definitely some evidence to back that theory up, I believe.

2. Concerning the survivors and their healing process in particular, the name of the game here is "What you don't know can't hurt you," but the problem is that the survivors are generally aware or made aware of the fact that their photographed or filmed abuse is being spread around and shared, thereby preventing them from fully moving past their past encounter(s) with sexual abuse. From a psychological perspective it's analogous to being outright shanked and undergoing medical treatment to heal that scar, only to have other people come around from time to time to basically "rip" the scab off the wound, causing it to bleed all over again like a fresh wound. Knowing people are getting off to evidence of their rape (or spreading it about) forces the victim to re-confront their abuse, which greatly distressed them and adds to their needless suffering.

Hunter Anderson
Hunter Anderson

Are metart's models always chosen to look underage?

Liam Howard
Liam Howard

I think it's clearly done with that purpose.

Anthony Wilson
Anthony Wilson

Glad to see someone using a bit of a rational argument here.

1. Consuming child porn will invariably (or rather often) lead to a psychological demand for more, resulting in an ever increasing market for the material, with the direct effect of children being abused to produced such content. In essence, it'll become addictive and spur on a vicious cycle of rape and abuse in its wake. There is definitely some evidence to back that theory up, I believe.

But how does the personal desire for something cause more of something to be made? Unless the person who desires said thing requests more to be made and/or is willing to pay for said thing to be made then the desire is a moot point. Simply desiring something does not make it so.

2. Concerning the survivors and their healing process in particular, the name of the game here is "What you don't know can't hurt you," but the problem is that the survivors are generally aware or made aware of the fact that their photographed or filmed abuse is being spread around and shared, thereby preventing them from fully moving past their past encounter(s) with sexual abuse. From a psychological perspective it's analogous to being outright shanked and undergoing medical treatment to heal that scar, only to have other people come around from time to time to basically "rip" the scab off the wound, causing it to bleed all over again like a fresh wound. Knowing people are getting off to evidence of their rape (or spreading it about) forces the victim to re-confront their abuse, which greatly distressed them and adds to their needless suffering.

I cannot present a truly good argument against this, but I can say this. We as humans in society are aware of a number of dangers or hurtful things in this world. Even when one of these hurtful things happen to us and we gain justice against the person or persons who harmed us this does not stop someone else from committing the same hurtful action against a different person. The person who is hurt must endeavor to move on and move past the hurt in order to survive.

Brandon Ramirez
Brandon Ramirez

Holla Forums-pedo discussion

Xavier Fisher
Xavier Fisher

Ah, well this is how it was explained to me: In the deep web, where all this porn is being shuffled about and consumed, the demand for more original content is satiated not too much by monetary exchange, but in producing and trading such material. Purchasing porn does exist, but it plays second fiddle to the main way people there "pay" for their porn, which is by producing more porn and distributing it, where it eventually trickles down to non-producers, who then continue the never ending cycle of abuse by requesting more and spreading the fresh content army to a larger audience.

So, we can presume that it is being requested, made and spread to a hungry audience, who then fuel the demand for even more porn in an illegal barter economy.

The person who is hurt must endeavor to move on and move past the hurt in order to survive.

Exactly so; however, it's also true that we can and should do everything in our power as a society to aid victims of such grievous exploitation to heal by not making it harder for them than it already is, and we do that of course by not allowing other people to take pleasure from their suffering in such a way that will only serve to hold these people back from progressing forward past their abuse into, hopefully, a new lease on life.

Christopher Miller
Christopher Miller

And this is whu the mninmum age to do pon, should be lowered to 16. Everyone wins. Don't you think the porn industry rather have a real 16 year old, instead of a 23 year old hag, pretending to be a teen? Of course they would go fot the 16 year old. And the audience would be even bigger, bringing them more revenue.

Tyler Hill
Tyler Hill

So by what you are saying, and i know it is true by the way, child porn should continue to be illegal or should we legalize and heavily regulate it?

Evan Powell
Evan Powell

I know it might appear like I'm against child porn altogether (and I certainly am for the time being, seeing as there's no way for children to give consent, or manage the risk of them "reinterpreting" their maybe otherwise pleasant experience in the future), but I don't find it all that abominable in principle. If we take the position that even sex can be defanged, so to speak, and consistently controlled for any negative outcome, and consent account for (essentially via parental consent), then I don't see why we couldn't humanize child porn either.

Of course, it would only work when there wasn't a profit margin to be had and where it became strictly regulated, but the point remains that it could be cleaned of all the exploitation surrounding it nowadays.

Jaxson Robinson
Jaxson Robinson

Ideally? The latter. I think it's certainly within the realm of reality.

Christian Torres
Christian Torres

I agree with you, when you say "there's no way for children to give consent, or manage the risk of them "reinterpreting" their maybe otherwise pleasant experience in the future". I agree, children below a certain age, should not in any circumstance, be exposed to porn. My thing is, when you're 16, you know damn well what you are doing.

Josiah Cooper
Josiah Cooper

You evidently didn't read what I wrote close enough, because I outright endorsed the belief that one could sanitize child porn. For instance, I've read a case in Ukraine where a pornography company got consent from the parents to proceed, and it was considered valid and binding. Furthermore, the risk of them regretting the endeavour can be adjusted for simply by pushing for a sex positive society where the human form and sexuality are not shamed but celebrated.

So… I'm okay with it principle, just not right now because there are too many variables to account for which aren't being met today.

Ethan Perez
Ethan Perez

Speaking from my own experiences i can openly say that a child under 16 can give consent. I would say as early as 13.

Child porn was legal in much of Northern Europe until about 1980. I read a thread in /childlove/ a number of years back where a user posted the story of his great uncle who worked for Color Climax which was the main purveyor of legal child porn magazines for decades.

Dylan Richardson
Dylan Richardson

name on the curly haired girl?

Anthony Myers
Anthony Myers

Milena D and a few other names I don't know

Brayden Garcia
Brayden Garcia

fucking hell looks like I'm going to masturbate again.

Jacob Johnson
Jacob Johnson

Conflating sex with violence
Conflating murderers with child lovers
Being retarded

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