It's become obvious that Hillary's late game tactic is to throw a million and one counter-claims to Trump's statements so that whenever anyone attempts to discuss Donald's positions on elections, the normie masses will assume that the person discussing is either misinformed, gullible, or themselves lying.
Websites like politifact archive.is/wCZkD have been supplying a steady stream of mainstream disinformation to the masses in the form of accuracy checks. This has the effect of gish-galloping counter facts, not any single person can call bullshit on their fact checking, and so it is set to stand by default because it's (((fact-checking))). It's not just Politifact doing this though, NPR, CNN, hell, even fucking CBC up in Cancuckada was doing fact checking on all of these statements. The MSM is attempting to set up a wall of counter-evidence from a flood of (((experts))) saying that he's a liar. IT FALLS ON US TO STOP THEM.
DON'T WORRY, WE GOT THIS
We need to do three things: 1. Disprove their counter-claims. 2. Identify (((facts))) that mysteriously don't get checked. 3. Meme it.
I've gone through and screen capped the counter-facts that NPR has provided in response to the debate (I'd have archived the page, except they've done some sort of fancy jewry archive.is/2mD1Q to prevent archive.is from capturing the page). I will post these images on their own with an archived link of any outside links posted by NPR staff. If you have knowledge of a claim being bullshit, please respond to THAT post and explain why it's bullshit with an archived link to our source confirming it as bullshit, or at least a half-truth counter.
After I've posted all of the counter links, I will screen grab the entire NPR post for posterity. I'll throw this up so other autismfags can check to see what's not being fact checked, and potentially what's been misquoted.
After we finish with all of this, we'll be putting the screengrabs together with the counter evidence PROVING that Trump never lies!
THE GOLDEN DON NEEDS YOUR SUPPORT MAKE FACT-CHECKING GREAT AGAIN
At this point, I would like to mention that I'm coming across multiple re-archives of these links. Should I overwrite them or stick with the original? For now, I'm sticking with the original.
Gabriel Cox
I like the cut of your jib.
Zachary Myers
No link.
Robert Evans
Correct, especially the jew-controlled shill HQ that is politifact. I was going to make a counter website to factcheck politifact, but I figured nobody would ever see it. Much better if Holla Forums got on something like this as a collective.
Jordan Parker
No link.
The dubs have spoken. Kek wills it.
Sebastian Johnson
yeah, no shit, i'm totally with this idea.
going forward, i hope trump curb stomps the bitch. i almost forgot how much and precisely why i loathe this woman. i hate her voice, her face, her personality, i hate everything about her.
there is SO MUCH trump could put into SO MANY ads, and here, 45 days out, it's time for him to just blaze with both barrels.
embarrass, annoy, and destroy this woman.
Hudson Perry
Unemployment rate in Michigan: archive.is/8T4H (4 years ago)
Ford CEO Mark Fields saying zero jobs lost: archive.is/YdpUj This particular link is clearly an anti-Trump marketing page RIFE with spin control. Can someone find old news links to the crash of 2008 showing car companies going bankrupt and the amount of jobs lost?
Benjamin Clark
Earnings gap.
Joshua Reed
No link.
Good catch c76623.
Anthony Sanchez
Conservative Tax Foundation Estimates: archive.is/My9UI (1 week old)
Joshua Garcia
Wall Street Journal: Trump's Father's Corruption archive.is/s0RYN (33 minutes ago, what the hell?)
Ethan Russell
The Tax Foundation Alleging that Trump's Plan would Balloon the Deficit: archive.is/PxDhj
Benjamin Perry
Why MSM pushes this bullshit myth?
Landon Kelly
Because they hate Fucking White Males
David Wilson
Politifact Claiming that Trump Claim that Climate Change is a Chinese Hoax: archive.is/sAqYj (2 months old)
Ayden Murphy
"Fact Checking" => Propaganda Spin
Sebastian Smith
US is World's Leading Producer of Natural Gas since 2011: archive.is/aPquS (1 month old)
This counter claim is retarded, has the guy not noticed the drastic decrease in oil use worldwide? Jesus christ, how stupid do they think people are?
Link is to the Congressional Research Service 2015 pdf on the North American Free Trade Agreement (not archivable, 37 pages)
Blake Walker
Hillary Clinton's Evolution on Trade: archive.is/KPN9H (1 month ago)
Brayden Phillips
Tax Policy Center's Analysis of Hillary's Tax Proposals: archive.is/b1dbu
Sebastian Walker
A Recent Analysis of Trump's Tax Reform Plan from the Tax Foundation: archive.is/My9UI (1 week ago)
Charles Davis
Funny how they ignore how the Rich are going to tax dodge even more and get away with it
Joshua Gonzalez
Meme it as much as you want, but check that fact: Trump is just saying gigantic bullshits most of the time and everybody knows it.
Austin Adams
Clinton Campaign Life Fact Checker: archive.is/Y9Gov (4 hours ago)
This is ridiculous, the fact check here doesn't apply to a fact checker, Donald was talking about the facts.
Carson Peterson
No link.
Then there's nothing for you to worry about, shill.
Ayden Wilson
No link.
Benjamin Rivera
What do you mean also nice multi thread shilling
Easton Wilson
Nice try shill.
Nice thread OP. These awre the tactics we need to use, and quick. The clock is ticking. Going to start digging through some of this right now.
Camden Rodriguez
I just read the Tax Foundation report, they say that even the bottom three deciles would see at least a 10.5% increase in income over the long term.
Jaxon Gomez
This ain't cuckchan, mate. Make relevant filenames for images so that they can be thrown into one's folder.
Parker Cox
Inb4 they compare 90's to 2000's.
90's politics and strategies are obsolete. Burgers are poisoned with materialism and sense of entitlement.
No amount of wishful thinking on Hillary's part will fix that.
Cameron Morgan
This seems to be an error in formatting on their page. I'm not sure what went awry here, but the links are as follows.
Macroeconomic Research Firm Capital Economics estimations: archive.is/NHvn5
Citizens for Tax Justice discussing Fortune 500 Companies: archive.is/aD3Dl
Excellent find, can you screen grab it and upload it to the thread?
Sorry man, but there's about 50 files and I need to keep them ordered in my folder for uploading. I'm afraid you're just gonna have to deal with the shitty filenames. I'll improve in future threads.
Ryan Hill
This faggot forgot that manufacturers operate elsewhere due to the fact they are taxed to death.
Sebastian Torres
Link is to Moody's Analytics Analysis of The Macroeconomic Consequences of Clinton's Economic Policies a July 2016 pdf (20 pages, does not archive)
Joshua Ortiz
This one is just retarded. Of course they make money selling products overseas. That's the whole point. It makes more sense for them to abandon America and do business abroad because the system is currently fucked.
This seems to be almost the same link as provided in
Isaiah Sullivan
No link.
Daniel Walker
They confuse unemployement with Underemployment like usual
Easton Flores
Trump's Yellen Accusation allegedly has No Evidence: archive.is/Yo46h
Yellen Announces that there are No Signs of Political Motivation: archive.is/p7Jw1
Bloomberg Reports that People in FOMC Meetings are Not Discussing Elections (implying that Yellen wouldn't give a shit about who wins or doesn't win the election): archive.is/TVHY9
Trump will Meet Kim Jong Il to Renegotiate Climate Accord: archive.is/qc1xu (4 months ago)
2015 US Trade Deficit with China: archive.is/dq9YQ (5 months old)
Peterson Institute for Internal Economics Warning that Trump's Steep Tariffs are Bad: archive.is/qZ9gZ
Dominic Jenkins
Slate's Low-energy Cheat Sheet of Trump's Lies: archive.is/SJPXr (3 days old)
IRS Commissioner Says it's Rare for Taxpayer to be Audited Several Years in a Row: archive.is/2QGKj
Nixon Released Tax Returns during an Audit, Why Not Trump: archive.is/Et2Fz (3 months ago)
The main thrust of this counter claim assumes that the risks of releasing tax information back when Nixon was in power are the same as now. Also, it's easy to point out how Trump is not the average person. He is a rarity himself, so constant audits are probably the norm.
Cooper Jackson
Politifact Noting that Nixon Gamed the Tax System: archive.is/ElsTI (3 months old)
More History of Candidates Releasing Tax Returns: archive.is/O7Qkz
This bolster's Trump's claim, actually. More people on Clinton's staff took the fifth to avoid prosecution than just Stonetear.
Jonathan Reed
This is comical.
Trump's 3,500 Lawsuits Unprecedented for a Presidential Nominee: archive.is/dnSwz (1 month old)
Wanna know what else is unprecedented for a presidential nominee? Being a secretary of state and being under investigation for multiple counts of corruption and violation of federal securities.
I recall that Halliburton was essentially embezzling money through the war by overcharging on American supplies. If anything, this supports the generalized assertion that Trump holds that corrupt government can lead to nothing good.
Liam Richardson
Hundreds Allege that Trump Doesn't Pay His Bills: archive.is/8Fukn (3 months ago)
Robert Reed
Did Trump Suggest Negotiating Down US Debt? archive.is/YjUvH (4 months old)
Black Preschoolers are 3.6x as likely to be Suspended than White Preschoolers: archive.is/ZFaL2
Hunter Ortiz
Interesting, in Hebrew "bullshit" can be used in a plural form. Learn something new everyday.
Ayden Lee
We need to watch the watchmen, to fact-check the fact-checkers and especially to show when they're purposely omitting hilldabeast's lies. How can we make a site that anons can contribute to that wouldn't be susceptible to CTR rigging?
Daniel Roberts
Uploading two screengrabs at once.
Violent Crime Rose Slightly (but remains near record lows): archive.is/7sMfD (13 hours old)
Samuel Perry
Stop and Frisk Allegedly didn't Work Well in New York: archive.is/QAtC9 (2 years old)
Austin Hernandez
No link.
To be honest, I think memeing it is a great first step. If we create a series of solid counter-counter-fact images, we can spam those and then throw doubt across most of the fact checking scheme that is being done right now.
Daniel Scott
Two more uploaded at once since there's no link.
Jaxon Jenkins
FBI Data on Violent Crime Increase of 4% between 2014 and 2015: archive.is/j3qEP
Logan Collins
No link. This is still Hillary speaking.
Dylan Young
No link. How convenient, another Clinton quote followed by an NPR staffer vigorously nodding her head.
Christopher Ortiz
No link. Now it's Trump speaking, and this necessitates a vigorous shaking of the head.
Jack Long
There's a fact-checker error. She falsely claims that the Fed Chairmen serve the President.
Charles Campbell
Someone needs to fact check this dumb bitch
Dominic Cox
Trump still talking.
Brennan Center for Justice, Crime in 2016: A Preliminary Analysis (30 page PDF, not archived)
Jaxon Cook
No link. Note the vigorous shaking of the head.
Adrian Kelly
Donald Trump has No Problems Saying Obama not Kenyan: archive.is/GPJDm
2 Clinton Supporters that Allegedly Shared Obama's Birther Story: archive.is/3o7PT (1 week ago)
Obama's Long Form Birth Certificate: archive.is/RTaCJ (5 days old)
That's really misleading. They didn't "win" immunity. Immunity was offered to compel them to testify since they claimed that testifying would incriminate them.
Clinton wasn't charged because the FBI argued she didn't really know enough about what she was doing to realize that it was a really bad idea. The people who DID know it was a bad idea were given immunity. That's why nobody was charged, according to the official story.
Luis Reyes
It's Dubious that a Federal Chief Security Officer will Make a Difference: archive.is/8GRRJ
Whitehouse Cybersecurity Czar Michael Daniel is a Total Noob Faggot: archive.is/nAQ5N
Advisers Appointed After the DNC Hack Lacked Information Security Backgrounds: archive.is/czAkN (1 month old)
Jonathan Stewart
These chucklefucks are human trash.
Brody Clark
He didn't suggest that he would "try to negotiate down the national debt." He said that if the situation gets so bad that we can't pay the debt, we don't immediately go to default. The first step is to pay back less than the full amount as a way to avoid a total collapse. It's not a negociation tactic, but a way to mitigate damage.
The financial people were complaining about this because we are supposed to pretend that US debt is the safest asset in the world and could never be worth anything less than 100% of the face value even if the US economy is a disaster.
Parker Ramirez
6 Things to Know about Trump's Border Enforcement Plan: archive.is/E1nde
Very solid point.
Nail on the head, sir.
Dylan Hall
Pretty entertaining choice of words for the hyperlinks in this screengrab. Allow me a minor edit …
Clinton has (((echoed))) Obama's call to teach computer science to all American students: archive.is/EpU4w
No link. However, Mary Louise Kelly is taking an undated off-hand statement to a shock-jock before Trump's presidential bid as "Oh, he TOTALLY supported the war in Iraq!" Disingenuous fuck.
Matthew Gonzalez
IMO you don't need to disprove every single claim. Don't overload the normie brain.
For example nobody actually gives a shit about
Something like
is much more interesting. He's talking jobs and the factchecker misdirects with cybersecurity. What in the fuck. That screencap in contrast with pic related can be easily understood and people do care about jobs.
Look for angles that matter but 4780 memes proving factcheckers are full of shit will just confuse people not knowing what's worth paying attention.
Brandon Bailey
Fox News Poll on Clinton vs. Trump as President: archive.is/AnKPn
Wyatt Peterson
No link.
You do make an excellent point, sir. Disproving all of the fact checks would just overload normie brains, but that's the strategy they're already attempting with all of the fact-checking sites and "live fact checking" during the debates. We won't be able to throw all of these countered fact-checks at normies and expect them to light up and go "Oh, I understand now." At best, we're hoping to have most assertions countered so that if someone can, they can summarize the "Well, Trump's not actually lying there" into a wide variety of simple and easy to understand images.
Gabriel Carter
Japan and US Mutual Defense Treaty: archive.is/1Ix1O (3 years old)
Angel Long
No links. Although, Phil Ewing may be looking for a new job after agreeing with Trump.
Matthew Mitchell
No link. Still Donald Trump speaking.
Christopher Wilson
Congressional Research Service - Saudi Arabia: Background and US Relations (39 pg. PDF, cannot be archived)
Adam Phillips
Reality will always have a liberal bias when liberals are the gateways to the truth
THIS is a fact check? Clinton was involved in a Libyan scandal related to an attack in Benghazi? WHO THE FUCK IS QUESTIONING WHETHER SHE HAD TO TESTIFY OR NOT?
Blake Myers
Trump Saying that Pregnancy is an Inconvenience for Employers: archive.is/2nvYf (1 month old)
Michael Cox
No links. Final "fact checks".
I will now proceed with screen-capping the entirety of the NPR debate w/ fact checks.
Connor Adams
Funny how they never mention those 10 million jobs are mostly part time jobs and that America's population rose by about the same number if not more
Liam Lewis
Love how they make Trump look fat and Hillary skinny even though she has a BMI of AT LEAST 30.
Samuel Anderson
Political fact checking is bullshit.
There's multiple sources of data with often contracting results. Statements can be taken out of context and pushed as fact. Two people can look at the same set of data and come to wildly different interpretations. For example, black crime data can be interpreted as systematic racism or inherent black criminality.
Two people can see the same event and interpret two entirely different realities. For example, all the latest killing of blacks by cops where one person can see the same event and see a armed criminal being killed by a cop in self defence and another can see a black being executed by a cop because he is black. It's the same exact event.
Political facts are a rarity and hard to come by. You can spin and cherry pick almost anything.
Adrian James
Now how do we compress that salient point into a meme for throwing at people who like throwing out the politifact website? Remember that the biggest challenge here isn't just identifying the lies, but also fighting against the MSM creating this haze of "all the fact checking says Trump's lying and Hillary's honest". Most normies don't like to think, if they see 3 MSM sources all saying the same thing, they're inclined to assume that it's the consensus opinion and just go with the main narrative being pushed.
As much as this might seem like kicking mud uphill, this is the new battleground upon which Hillary will try to outflank Trump. We need to power through this.
Caleb Green
Kike
Benjamin Howard
Dat (1) doh
Carter Fisher
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Carter Bennett
First compiled screengrab of the debate transcript with comments from NPR.
Hudson Hill
Second compiled screengrab of the debate transcript with comments from NPR.
Nice.
William Butler
Hang on, I have to leave the house. I just heard a car accident and want to go make sure everyone's okay.
Aaron Allen
I don't like where this is going…
Joseph Allen
False alarm. By the time I got there cops and fire trucks had already arrived. An ambulance left the place without flashy lights and sirens, so I assume that it's all A-OK.
Grayson Edwards
I've emailed pictures to myself, but my phone seems to be made of fail.
Andrew Powell
Is there a good transcript of the debate somewhere?
Nolan Harris
Just posting it now, but I haven't spent the time that would be required to make sure that this transcript is actually 100% accurate with the debate as I watched it earlier tonight. One thing at a time.
Dylan Bennett
Do you have the text version? I hate to ask and add more work to you.
man you really could not have been any more subtle? christ.
Bentley Lee
For some reason it slipped my mind that I could upload multiples of these. So here's the rest of them.
Christopher Taylor
lmao.
Brandon Johnson
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Benjamin Smith
Well unfortunately, this is where I fall down.
I'm terrible at making OC. I've attached what this guy said.
If someone can do a better job, I implore you to make it happen.
Also, it's pretty evident that this thread is getting slid to hell and back. I'm wondering if it'll even be here when I wake up tomorrow.
Xavier Brown
that is way better than a lot of oc i see posted here, brief and to the point, and the information is ordered logically
Samuel Baker
Yeah it fucking is an inconvenience. Ever work with a bunch of qomen all taking turns with maternity leave? The amount of bitching and wntitlemwnt they exhibit ks shameful, and everyone else has to pick up their slack because they cant hire someone for 12 weeks.
Jeremiah Allen
Holy shit did i butcher that. Meant to say entitlement
