What does Holla Forums think of this Dugin quote?

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This is why fascism is more effective in the short term.

You have to offer up vague sentiments- these are often more estranged and hard to argue against, because logic doesn't dominate hearts- rhythm and honesty digs into a more fractured or naive person.

Cold logic, long words, methods, education- this rips away the ideology that we let cling to us. It's a slow, surgical process.

So when trying to as, Ed Bernays, speak the language of the group- you have to say with words, and with your eyes something primal to dig into a place they forgot was there.

That, and dancing.

You have to have everyone dancing, and worshiping. Then the sane ones will be left alone to read, work, and people can be made more literate.

The average person wants a government that’s spectacle, no matter what it does.

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I'm sure it is for some people.

I'D SAY: BABY, YOU THE CRYPTKEEPER? 'CAUSE YOU SURE ARE TRYNNA' SPOOK ME BABY!

I very much agree. I still think we should have everyone on psychedelic drugs and think Huxley's Island was fucking brilliant minus the childish anti-communism (since his utopian Island WAS communist in all but name). Alternatively, we could keep politics as a new line of strictly entertainment. Singing and dancing is a must, drugs or no, I shit you not.

A freely available right, a biological & evolutionary necessity, but more a gradual process, not a mandate.

Except micro-doses of LSD, which should be recommended in place of all all anti-depressants. Though not as a substitute.

But it's certainly better for most rather than SSRI drugs and the anti-psychotic Seroquel; or Lithium.

F.D.R. and his new deal was probably the most successful socialist series of acts. Though not perfect, it was an effective direction, where it could have gone we can't say, as the process was reversed.

Which incidentally by the Reagan era helped free many people from the cult of psychiatric studies; though denying many of them treatment, and the most unstable became imprisoned or homeless.

A bit more complex, entertainment has to be the decoration of everything. Symbolism, crests. Means we use to identify.

Look at the Caduceus for instance- a staff with two serpents. Doesn't it make you think of medicine? It isn't, it's only used in films, media, and adopted only by H.M.O. health care providers and one army corps.

I shit you not, this symbol is literally the staff of Hermes. He Shepherds away the dead, he is a messenger, but he's a patron of thieves, liars, politicians, and merchants. I love him, but he doesn't heal shit.

The medicinal symbol sued by most hospitals is a single snake draped over a stick; known as the Rod of Asclepius. A healer of some renown.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_of_Asclepius

See the concern? A symbol carries a lot of weight to designate a service. To designate anything. And it doesn't even matter what that is.

A reason, a story, and then it's there. Not everyone has to be in on the joke to acknowledge it as the insignia of some institution or service. But we know them, we love them. They give us sentimental comfort, we know where we are when we see one.

Most studies acknowledge groups that can sing and dance in unison develop a cooperative behavior and a sense of teamwork.

The Japanese have always used this effectively but now just mandate many of their workers to perform mundane calisthenic exorcizes set to cheesy radio programs.

Full patriarcal, antisemitic, homophobic communism

reddit pls

He might be a faggot from /r/fullcommunism, but """alt-left""" is indeed garbage.

As opposed to matriarchal, Jewy, fag enabling communism?

good one, m8

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What the fuck does alt left even means anyway? I have yet to see a group openly claiming being alt left.

I've yet to see Turd Positionists clearly define that "spiritual tradition" they so often refer to. What is "spirituality" even supposed to mean?

Eurasianism, just like any other snowflake variations on Turd Positionism, is Fascism sprinkled with "hello there fellow leftists"-tier pseudo-anticapitalist rhetoric.

Capitalists saving capitalism by throwing labor a bone is not socialism.

"If “identitarians” really love their identity, they should ally themselves with the Eurasianists, alongside the traditionalists and the enemies of capitalism belonging to any people, religion, culture or political camp. Being anti-Communist, anti-Muslim, anti-Eastern, pro-American or Atlanticist today means to belong to the other side. It means to be on the side of the current global order and its financial oligarchy. But that is illogical, because the globalists are in the process of destroying any identity except for that of the individual, and to forge an alliance with them therefore means to betray the essence of one’s cultural identity."

Dugin is a moron this is just another stupid fucking b8 thread

You can't truly be an individual if an a-tier faggot like Dugin tells you what to think tbh fam.

sage for shit bait thread.

I was trying to say it was a good start that was quickly dismantled. Not that it WAS true socialism.

I don't want to be an individual if it means every tradition gets destroyed in the process.

Garbage

Can you please explain the thing about politics and symbolism a little more?

Yee.. Ok .. fuck off.

I'm socially moderate. Reactionaries and radicals really turn me off with their constant butthurt about traditions etc. I believe societies are evolutionary, and they can evolve in an organic way when they aren't under the yoke of oppressive political and economic systems. I'm a somewhat backward provincial and I hate it when radicals tell me white males existing is problem thing AND when reactionaries tell me I have to love American Jeebus and punch women for speaking out of turn or else I'm a degenerate Marxist.

No radical leftists is ever going to tell you "white males existing" is a problem.

He's assuming modernity is bad and spiritual tradition is good

Why does the Left require reactionary elements? What will this achieve? And how can we not achieve the same result by completely changing material and social conditions?

Wasn't Marx an idealist?

No, he was an floating head in the sky.

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Sort of, idealist/materialist in the meme sense doesn't apply to Marx. He's a sophisticated materialist, which is to say he views material as being the most important force, but he certainly didn't think everything was material.

America has always been modernist at the core. Before McCarthy and Hoover managed to shut it up, its socialist/labor movement was a thriving community with a strong intellectual foundation. It'd be nice if our kids knew, but of course, Texas makes our textbooks now.

Dugin is just a rightist strongman who admires his country's last period of greatness. Unlike any other nation on Earth, Russia was last great under socialism. So he appropriates the aesthetics of the Soviet Union, much like how Mussolini appropriated the aesthetics of the Roman Empire.

Yeah, Heidegger being a Nazi was one one of the worst things that can happen to the left.

I think Nietzsche is the best the left has (fuck any retard who claims he's right wing), but I have minor problems with his views. I think a left-wing deconstruction of Heidegger is the best we can do.

JUST

HAHA!
Nice spooks, nerd.

Is it me or does Dugin want some sort of Far Right Traditionalist SJW alliance?

His wikipedia highlights just how embarrassing his thought is.

marxism says no
we evolve beyond, we push a revolution to strip society from old bounderies, the mode of production, not to destroy to form society after some ideal, but to create and execute the necessary the material conditions demands.

modernization, centralization, globalisation… those trends are inherent of evolving productive forces, going against it is going against time, trying to establish anachronistic and deceased modes of production. leave this to anarchists. socialism will prevail because it must.

Just because it must doesn't mean it will. It's socialism or barbarism. And barbarism is still very much on the table.

Sounds like Uhuru shit for whites.

To put it as flatly as possible, just look how the Ice & Fire series is laid out to you.

Every group is identified by a banner. Because this was an historic practice. Symbols are a form of language.

youtube.com/v/7KocHhWTwMw

People see a Celtic cross or hammer of Thor? They see it as Nazi or fascist if they're familiar.

The swastika? Ancient symbol, Nazis used it to tie themselves to the Romans along with the eagle.

Libertarians have a snake that doesn't like to be stepped on.

The U.S. uses an eagle to tie itself to Rome.

Ben Franklin outlines why he wanted a Turkey instead.

greatseal.com/symbols/turkey.html

Here we even see how a state adopts the poor practices of its symbol; where the men impress human behavior onto an animal, but as their symbol that animal impresses its behavior onto them.

No matter what it is, you can sum it up without words for people just by giving it a unique but easy to understand crest or insignia.

This can be applied to groups, buildings, services.

The people that master and apply this art best at the moment are advertizing agencies that put a lot of thought into every one of those logos.

See a big ass shell in the distance? Hark; a fucking gas station.

Hell, the Cocoa-cola insignia & signature red are so recognizable you can refashion it and have instant acceptance, while imparting a strange sense of familiarity, nostalgia, and a sort of… Inner peace.

youtube.com/watch?v=_WTBkj8gFfI

Also, never ever underestimate brand loyalty.

Tide brand detergent was one of the first detergents, its smell alone drives people into a comfort zone. It is also in the TOP 10 of shop lifted items.

Think about that, most of the items on that list are small.

A bottle of Tide can even be exchanged for roughly 1/1 or 2/3 its retail value in drugs.

archive.is/s8QOB

Lastly, here's a bird with a knife, instantly recognizable, yet no one's using it right now.

I now adopt it for the Opportunistic-Centrist party, it represents the Fife & Drum of regimental pre-20th century combat summed up in the phrase "Me me, pickle pee. You you, pump a rum."

This symbol now stands for class solidarity, and the desire for the wider implementation of S.T.V. democratic polling.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_transferable_vote

Like Zizek's concept of "the big other" spirituality is the sense of "the others."

People desire for a comfort only stories and communities provide; folk songs and protest songs are spiritual.

This is what spiritualism sounds like out of the mouth of a socialist.

youtube.com/watch?v=XflcAgfs15c

This is a scientific breakdown of spiritualism.

youtube.com/watch?v=z3iucJ1Z4VA

youtube.com/watch?v=LvEyaPIeNCo

Along with the epics, the folk tales, and the allegories go a sense of "what exists outside ourselves."

Rather than improve on the Animist tradition we relegated it to the dust bin of history, now only explored by religious adherents and researchers.

Theism is not reactionary.

Abrahamics are reactionary unless placated; in times of crisis though they start to regress.

When they write the textbook, they write your reality.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Education_Board#Philosophy

Spooky.
Dugin is a literal fascist, so I don't expect any different.

I may well however disregard OP and this thread and copypaste my thoughts to a proper thread another day, as this man is a shit heel.

Spiritualism is good, allowing individuals to retain their ideals is good.

Offering the agnostic & apathetic new spiritual values to compliment their own is essential.

You can't suppress these elements in a society, nor overtly appease them; as if to give into demands, grant favors, or make special exceptions.

But they must be placated & accepted as they are regardless.

Even Christian Rome let people keep their holidays.

"Traditions" and "cultures" are just means of socialisation (with added hegemonies and oppression). Freely associating yourself into groups is socialisation - we do this even now, on an image board. If you need some kind of tradition in order to feel a sense of belonging, then you have no personality. Or can't see that there's other ways to socialise and belong.

Yes, but culture and tradition provide much more than the group identity, they also represent something people will fight to maintain on a level much higher than that of the struggle to maintain an ideology as it's ripped away.

Are you familiar with "Home sickness?"

Not as a concept, but as a mental illness.

British villagers when forced out of their island lifestyle, and resettled into other areas we distraught, some became violently ill, and one can't imagine what was truly taken from them was more than land- it was culture & tradition.

They went from a simpler realm where one was known, and knew everyone- to the alienating realm of more modern society.

We've seen this done many times over to various tribal groups yet all we do is blame systems they can't assimilate into or them for their weakness to adapt, rather than see the bigger picture of biological necessity.

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Have read full Dugin in original language, ask your questions.

Does he admit that it's just an avant-garde piece of art that should not be taken seriously?

No. And this would be irrelevant, because his actual politics stayed the same during the last 40 years.

NBP was more of an art-project thought.

This is the event I was referring to.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highland_Clearances

abandonedcommunities.co.uk/page39.html

fao.org/docrep/004/Y1290E/y1290e0i.htm

And this are citations on homesickness.

nymag.com/scienceofus/2016/02/homesickness-was-once-considered-a-medical-diagnosis.html

www2.warwick.ac.uk/services/tutors/counselling/informationpages/homesickness/

e2nz.org/2016/04/28/migrant-tales-homesickness-v-a-lack-of-belonging-nine-years-in-time-to-leave/

Of course the two would be related, though I'm having difficulty finding directly related sources on the violent bouts experienced by these resettled people.

I want to read Dugin's works but all the sites with reviews and sales of the books are Alt-right sites that are subtle about being rightist.

I have the problem with nazbols that they have no depth. All rhetoric and no policies, all style and no substance. most fo the time they're racists who like the sovient union and not much else.

Trash

The meme will die when people stop stooping to psychological constructs that they give power to by submitting to the immaterial.

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Russian Nazbols are not fucking racists, this retarded western meme needs to die.

Jesus christ that extra large font is awful.

In russia they may not be racist but all the western nazbols I came by have been racist, just look at those guys at /thirdpo$ition/

muh kindle version
Well, we are in a Dugin thread. Turdpositionists are some kind of Useful Idiotists.

So t'hird position isn't the same as national bolshevism?