We get into a lot of pissing fights with libertarians. But when I word things in a certain way with libertarian and ancap colleagues, it is interesting how much I can get away with without revealing my powerlevel as a socialist.
I was ballsy enough to even use words like "bourgeoisie" and "workers' ownership of the means of production." Libertarians basically acknowledge that the system is rigged against the common man. They acknowledge that the economy is going to collapse. I said something like "the workers should seize the means of production when the economy collapses. After all these companies want taxpayer money right?" and no one called me out on that.
The difference is that they seem to think that everything will be alright if they downsized government or got rid of government completely. They acknowledge that the wealthy elite are actively working to use the government as a vehicle of violence and oppression against the working-class.
But they think that the problem is that the government allows the bourgeois to push their agenda. They don't think the problem is the bourgeois themselves. They think that so as long as the bourgeois can't manipulate the government to do their bidding, that everything will be fine. Yet aren't many libertarians in favor of the Citizens United decision which gives the bourgeoisie unlimited ability to bribe politicians?
Admittedly I do feel like I am held down by the government. And feel like I would be more successful if the government got out of my way. But the bourgeois don't actually want the government to get out of my way. They are the ones who are responsible for the government imposing so many regulations on the self-employed (I don't have employees). The bourgeois want you to be their bitch. They want you to be a wage cuck. They don't want you to be free. They are mortal enemies.
I can't support an economic system that would allow the bourgeois to have free reign to do whatever the fuck they want. Libertarians seem to think that perfect capitalism will prevent mass unemployment, lead to higher wages, better benefits, more people starting their own businesses, etc. You don't think the bourgeois are going to do everything in their power to maintain status quo or actively make life even worse for the working-class?
Hell even now (I used to be a libertarian a long time ago. lol) if I listen to Peter Schiff, WeAreChange or whomever else, etc. (Stefan Molyneux too sometimes. Though his content has been getting a lot worse in recent years. lol) they make a lot of valid points about how the economy is going to collapse, we can't sustain ourselves with high unemployment and low wages and how the elite are actively rigging the system.
Peter Schiff is anti-public education. Yet he agrees that the cost of college tuition is so high that people are not going to want to pay for it anymore because college students are not getting enough value for their money. He says the beautiful thing about capitalism is that if you don't deliver value for people's money, you will be punished by the invisible hand of the market. People will stop going to college until colleges improve the value of education or lower the price.
They just feel that the solution is less government regulation and voluntaryism, not abolishing private property.
In fact WeAreChange did a video with a libertarian friend of theirs who builds mini-homes for homeless people in Orange County, CA. And he talked about how the government told him to knock it off because it was "unsafe". Stop building mini-homes for homeless people. Because apparently sleeping on the street in the rain or cold is safer than sleeping in a mini-home in a vacant lot. I have to admit that when you see a libertarian actually go out there and build mini-houses for the homeless, I feel bad about all the times that I have made fun of libertarians. lol. Some libertarians are actually not assholes. lol. Though are most libertarians like that? Probably not. lol.