What's this board's thoughts on affirmative action?

Always amusing to see liberals going to the wall to defend what was a *Nixon* administration initiative. Google 'Philadelphia Plan'.
Oh and the Panthers were dangerous in the best possible way. They were one of the best developments of the 60's.

Fuck off meme spouting knob

Affirmative action had its purpose but it has long outlived that purpose. Now it only serves to harm people. It makes minorities seem less capable and makes white people be treated like racist by default. It also makes getting into college harder for asians. The same type of problems arrive with gender based affirmative action. Race based affirmative action ignores subcultural differences and gender based affirmative action ignores differences of interests among the sexes.

I will post about AA in an hour since this thread will probably be full of misinformation like
'A random and unqualifies black person can walk into a building and get hired over a qualified white person, this is oppressing white people(ignoring unemployment rates), AA is reverse discrimination!!!!'

Holy shit go back to imgur or whatever white liberal site you came from

i bet you think MLK started getting real bad when he started focusing on economic issues too, huh

Black History month? Doesn't that infer that the so-presumed real history of the US has nothing to do with black people, except perhaps as background figures? If there is material for a black history month, then evidently there is material for the rest of the time. So why has that material been consigned to something that looks suspiciously like a ghetto?

Could you follow him, please.

Affirmative action is literal discrimination and it doesn't solve the root problem.
Also, you are a fanatic if you think that non-leftists can't have valuable things to say about stuff. You don't need to justify agreeing with sargon on one point out of a million. It's ok.

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You can't make this shit up…

It is racist at its core.
Why is a black man inherently less capable than another?

How does the capitalist consumerism model hurt a white man less than a black man?

It adds confusion and lies into the mix of the ultimate universal enslavement.

I can understand where the idea for affirmative action comes from - black people are in worse shape economically as a whole, so it makes sense to give some help. It doesn't make sense to do so via artificially lowering standards, though, and it also misses the many complex reasons why black people are often in worse economic shape including the very rarely discussed fact that the american south is still recovering from economic damage done during the end of the civil war and the lack of support given in rebuilding and restructuring their economy. Something that happened 150 years ago still has a very real effect today.

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Affirmative action's real purpose is to prevent the formation of class consciousness by separating black and whites that would otherwise be in the same condition.

Since when was Black History Month about praising and worshiping black people? It's about recognizing the history of African American peoples in this country, that's it. Similar to Irish Heritage Month or Italian Heritage Month, months that no one seems to have a problem with.

Good thing you greentexted that.

Why is it that Race is such a touchy issue today?

Why does it continue to be beholden like a taboo or something? Sure, most people around the world will jump out nervously to tell you how much of a racist they aren't. As if somehow that's the worst thing a person could be.

So what gives?

Affirmative Action is an explicit admission that blacks and hispanics can't succeed on their own.

Look at what happens to schools and states where AA has been overturned, college enrollment for nonwhites plummets, because they can't get in on their own merit.

It's also not great for the blacks/hispanics, because so many unqualified are accepted on the basis of their skin color, they have a much higher drop out rate, sticking them with tons of college debt and no degree.

i would tell you, but i dont want to be banned

I don’t mind affirmative action as much as these other anons seem to. But then again, too much of leftypol is allergic to the mere mention of any issue involving gender or race.

My reasoning is that affirmative action is an admission, within the liberal capitalist framework, that liberal capitalism is indefensible. It’s not so much about recognizing one group as more or less qualified than any other, but rather a recognition that the material structure is itself unjust and unequal.

As it exists, it only serves to perpetuate and to legitimize some of the worst forms of bourgeois or reactionary tendencies in identity politics. But the problem with affirmative action is really that it doesn’t go far enough. Take affirmative action to its logical and universalized end, and you have socialism.

Nigger how the hell is being dangerous to the bourgeois state a bad thing ?

AA is overtly racism against (male) whites, I don't see how anyone can even really contest the point.

because it doesn't line up with the facts

How?

what do you mean "how"? It doesn't line up with the facts, the people that say

rarely have anything to back it up with and when presented with things like

they just give non arguments in response.

Most of the people that make claims like

dont know anything about AA and just buy into the white victim narrative without doing any research.

the only group that is really negatively affected by AA are asians which is very unfair since they were not the group that oppressed blacks and women throughout american history.

I'm curious about this too. Supporting it when you people are supposed to reject the muh wite pribledge narrative would essentially be admitting that us Holla Forumsacks are right and certain groups are inherently less capable than others.

On the other hand, if you pull the crutches away and blacks continue to fail, it's equally embarrassing. More importantly, what solution do you offer them instead?

pls

Well, they should.
Furthermore, there doesn't seem to be a "Chinese history month". From what I've discovered of it, the early history of Chinese immigrants was terrible and there are construction projects that were built at the cost of huge numbers of Chinese lives. Shouldn't they be "recognized", too?

Yeah, sure, why not.

I'd bet half my savings that your sole evidence for this is that they were black.

The Panthers helped everyone in the urban underclass regardless of race.

We don't, we were making fun of what ended up being a closet Holla Forumsack that gets triggered by the thought of blacks with guns.

Affirmative action's failure as a sound policy goes deeper than boo hoo unfair. It actually deepens the economic hole that blacks are in.

"The rape of white women is a revolutionary act."

That's your boy Cleaver right there.

I read it, AA encompasses educational discrimination as well as job discrimination, and not to mention, the in depth explanation of how mild AA supposedly is was in the construction industry which is a hugely male dominated field anyway. It argues that the use of quotas is rare even in federal employment but the existence of 'goals' means that a quota is effectively in place in an informal sense. Furthermore, I wonder if companies have an obligation to hire white males in proportion to their number in the qualified fields? I somehow doubt it. That's already discriminatory but the idea that we need to increase all occupations or qualifications to a 50/50 parity between male and female (except for the shitty ones that are happily left to men) disadvantages anyone who doesn't pick an 'unconventional' subject for their gender (but primarily men), and yet, even when the ratio exceeds 50/50 in favour of women as is the case in university students, nothing is redressed and worse still the incentives, grants, special dispensations for women remain in place. Once established the feminist industry can't give up power so things just continue and things get even worse for white men. There's no possible way to argue that policy to hire minorities and women over white men isn't discriminatory, it's an utter nonsense.

The man who said this not only renounced it, but the entirety of the movement and later became a conservative Mormon while most of the Panthers retained their convictions long after the group disbanded.

The one noteworthy sexual predator in the BPP became right wing.

100% coincidence I'm sure!

Didn't Huey Newton poopdick'd Bobby Seale… or is that just slander?

We wouldn't want this to be forgotten though would we?

What are "material conditions"?

and do you know how it works?

Construction contractors was not the only thing discussed in that section

please read pages 23 and 26-27

and no, he doesn't "argue" anything, there are no arguments in chapter 2

"need to increase all occupations or qualifications to a 50/50 parity between male and female"

where are you getting this from? I've heard people advocate for more women in positions they are underrepresented in but I haven't heard anyone say that things need to be 50/50

"yet, even when the ratio exceeds 50/50 in favour of women as is the case in university students, nothing is redressed and worse still the incentives, grants, special dispensations for women remain in place"

source? and if this is true I'm surprised this hasn't been addressed.

has it actually gotten worse? From what I've read white males are still ahead by quite a large margin. Do you have any info on how bad it's getting for the most oppressed group in american history(i.e., the white man)?

If that's what makes you feel better friendo

While I doubt you actually care about asians and or the chinese here you go
presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=86098

and dont forget the numerous white riots

also it's important to remember that the majority of asians in the US are not the descendants of 19th and early 20th century asian immigrants.

I support affirmative action not for leftist reasons or for race reason, simply because it works (It's good for the economy and society as a whole in a very positivist and reformist sense).
A poor student can either:
A)Get the grades for a good education and better his life.
B)Spend his life doing shitty jobs for very little avail.
A rich student can either:
A)Get the grades for a good education.
B)Have his parents pay a good education for him even if he's a bad student.
C)Become NEET and live off their parent's money.
Affirmative Action generally targets the most capable in the respective groups, you're not giving the white kid's seat to a drug dealer, you're giving his seat to the most dedicated black kid who he managed to beat, the thing is the white kid is statistically more likely to have parents who can afford to pay for his education than the black kid, in the end you are much more likely to increase the rates of higher education than you are to simply give someone someone else's spot. It works as wealth redistribution in a way.
Obviously class-based Affirmative Action would be ideal, but that would be called out as commie shenenigans so we take what we can get.
Doesn't change the fact that it's racist, anti-meritocratic and all of that spazz.

Affirmative action sucks because it ends up being the carrot at the end of the stick

Why do you guys hate sargon?

If you want to eliminate racism, you have to actually eliminate racist laws regardless of which race they favour. Any categorisation of people by race, especially if it leads to unequal treatment, only supports the narrative of bigots. Nobody will take you seriously if you say "it's wrong to discriminate on the grounds of skin colour" while doing exactly that. It justifies the accusations that you're anti-wｈite, not anti-racist.

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Now, now, don't mix things up like Papa Sargon, there!

History is one thing. Economic standing is another.

Based on economic standing, yes. It should.

History though… Heh.. You 'Muricans thinking you have history… 300 years? How about having to leard history from 300 B.C.?

Anyway, those "history months" are only ways for 'Muricans to feel better about themselves. I view it same as "We don't say Nigger. We say "People of Color". Now we are suddently not racist anymore!"
"Here niggers! Have a history month! What do you mean you are part of 'Murican history anyway? NONONONO! You are special! You shall have your own part of history, outside of the rest of history!!! It's not racist or anything!"

Burgers don't want to deal with real problems and they make all about race. Outside US race isn't an "issue". Nationality is.

And what about the Irish? The Italians? The Greeks? The Germans? The… History months is faggotry, tbh.

So White = Bourgie and Black = Prol?
THIS IS WHY I HATE 'MURICA! one of the reasons

Cause he's a stupid propagandist who used GG to get attention and now tries to maintain his relevancy and income by being a neo-maccarthist seeing red everywhere.

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It upsets Nazis, lolberts and trumpcucks, so I'm all in favour of it.

trumpcucks are a mix between nazis and lolberts tbh, the altright is such a gigantic mess.

They don't really have a solid ideology because they have no end goal, they only care about circlejerking in the present.

Affirmative action continues the cycle of poverty for blacks. When you take away their need to achieve, they won't achieve.
Thats why silver spoon rich kids don't even know how to pump their own gas or balance their checkbooks, when daddy does it for them they just get lazy.
Daddy is the US government now, blacks don't have to do anything, just sign up for the free food stamps, free LIHEAP, free phone, free housing, free child care, free health care.

I blame blacks for nothing, they're the victims of this grand social experiment.

Are you fucking retarded?

"Hey significant portion of whites, stop being racist in your hiring practices!"
"No"
"Well, i guess we'll have to impose heavy handed measures because it's not an easily solvable problem but significant enough to be worthwhile"

There are 19 million whites below the poverty line and 12 million blacks. So no, you're wrong, you fucking cuckold.

translation: 31% of blacks are in poverty, and 9% of whites