Communism: the wrong enemy?

(Vid related isn't my only point, but rather supplementary to the thread)

A lot of people on Holla Forums talk about 'cultural Marxism' and see communism as the main enemy, and especially as a force behind mass immigration. A lot of nationalist groups also seem to think this. It is wrong, disadvantageous and distracting to do so; it really doesn't stand up to much scrutiny. Rather, it is liberalism and (forms of) capitalism which we should be focusing our attention on.

First of all, liberal =/= left. They are different political and economic philosophies. Liberalism involves a free market, now often backed up by a sizeable state and central bank. Many theories of communism don't even involve money. It's about democratic workers' councils and the labour theory of value, which completely rejects markets which are at the heart of liberalism. Completely. Different.

I think vid related pretty much conclusively shows that it's not leftists (who are not liberals, remember) who are behind a mass influx of different races. Even if modern leftists support immigration, take a look at most capitalist institutions and you'll also find overwhelming support for things like the EU, refugees and immigration in general. Have you ever read the Economist? It's basically the Rothschilds' Weekly - as capitalist as you can get - and has printed editorial after editorial egging on Europe (and Japan, curiously enough) to take more refugees and immigrants - including one editorial right after the Paris attacks. Capitalism is driving the destruction of Europe, not communism.

They [conservatives] believe that capitalism has something to do with democracy and freedom. They believe in the necessity (and need) of perpetual economic growth. In other words, they almost unanimously defend a capitalist system whose expansion, however, methodically destroys everything they wish to conserve.
- Alain de Benoist (the closest thing to Holla Forums in a philosopher) - archive.org/details/AlainDeBenoistInterviewWithArthurVersluis

So, what do? Capitalism is not contradictory with nationalism - Trump is THE caricature of a capitalist and he is the closest thing to nationalism we've seen in ages. Varg Vikernes and Alain de Benoist criticise capitalism outright and prefer different economic theories rooted in European tradition (but not feudalism, I don't think). What does Holla Forums think?

tl;dr: communism isn't our main enemy, liberalism and capitalism is

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communism is how the (((enemy))) manipulates the masses.

communists are the tools of the enemy. they're brainwashed idiots who don't understand how the real world works.

tbh it's kind of sad that communists have to be the enemy because they're mostly just misinformed children. but communists are brainwashed to the point of no return, so they are the enemy even if we don't want to be. it's self-defense.

(my instinct was to sage because supporting communism, but this could be a good thread. all the shills have me on edge)

Communism is simply one of the many tools jews use to obtain power
Similar to the all out embrace of capitalism, superseding the racial/social aspects of the nation in favor of the purely material

For (((them))), it's whatever works, as long as they end up on top of a divided and fractured society

You can't reason with someone who refuses to live in the real world and instead choose to pretend that facts are indeed debatable.

They are husks of humans.
They have had their potential stripped from them.
The marxist cares not for the man, but rather for control of the man.
It all about engineering systems which create people who are too dumb and too weak to survive on their own so they are forced to come to government to survive.

Its regressive and suffocating.

HAHAHAHAHHA

"Why greetings, fellow national socialists! Hail Hitler! Let me tell you why communism is good, Trump is bad, and jews are the chosen peoples"

All you have to do to gain clarity about this situation is look at the differences between Eastern and Western Europe.

I hope the microwave ovens and BMWs were worth it.

Both communism and capitalism are kike tools to destroy and enslave goyim, as they are both based on the same, Judeo-Masonic, value system.

SJW (alt-left) - kikes and their deluded puppets
Neocohens/lolbergs (alt-right) - kikes and their deluded puppets

Neither endangers the rule of the (((elites))) any more than two football teams playing a match does.

It's a false dichotomy.

Inb4 JIDF mod anchors the thread because oy vey shut it down.

The eastern Europeans sure seem to think so why else would they all live in the US, UK and France?

Famous last words. Enjoy the coffee colored future.

Eastern Europe is far, far less poz'd than Western Europe.

That doesn't really answer my question?

t. someone who didn't read past the thread subject

It's just a shillbot m8

Correct, which is the point I was making. Every single "Western Capitalist" country – especially the ones that were explicitly tied in with the JewSA [Canada, Australia, UK, France, Germany] are COLOSSALLY pozzed. Probably to point where these countries will never ever, ever recover. They are just dead nigger wastelands where what's left of the citizenry drudge on supplying their nigger overlords with tribute like Saxons forking over silver to Danish raiders.

When the Frankfurt School high-tailed it out of Germany, they didn't go to Moscow, did they? No, they went to Jew York, Chicago, and Pacific Palisades. When Sergey Brin's [Google co-founder] kike dad wasn't allowed into high-level scientific university courses in the Soviet Union, who was willing to accept him with open arms? The US. Enjoy your spynet, goyim.

You'd have to be a complete idiot at this point to believe capitalism represents anything other than the niggerization of your country. Niggers buy, so they are good. If they can construct false "leftist" programs like social welfare where they take money from you and give it to niggers so that those niggers in turn give it back to them – holy shit it's the best of both worlds!

Sure, it does. Most Eastern Europeans don't live in those countries. Most of them never leave Eastern Europe.

Eastern Europeans make up a fraction of a fragment of immigration in Western countries. It's nothing but deflection on your part to keep people who are already skirting on the edges of radicalism [lurkers on this board] from figuring out your misdirection.

Most of them are here for work. Also, the former Communist countries are not unanimously against their former ideology. There is massive nostalgia and yearning for the old system. I would personally argue that this is down to the preservation of tradition (due to the lack of capitalist trade) in the East and not necessarily the political aspects. I knew a Hungarian who lived through the last two decades or so of Soviet puppet rule and she said she remembers her time rather fondly.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostalgie

As far as East Germany goes, that's because after reunification, the first thing that happened was the shutdown/liquidation of all the east german firms and factories to prevent competition

That's the key takeaway there and what capitalism seeks to destroy at all costs. The biggest mistake people make is to assume that the goals of capitalism and jewish marxism are at all different.

The most jewish societies ever created – the US and Weimar Republic – were both hyper-capitalist shitholes full of degenerates where anything and everything are for sale.

And Islam is a religion of peace

Capitalism is the savior, not the enemy

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So its easier to find higher paying work in western Europe then the East?

Of course Islam is a religion of peace. They invest billions, if not trillions, of dollars worth of foreign capital into our glorious free markets.

That's how the commies beat the Chinese

Go away Jew.

I thought they did that with famine?

I always find it interesting how much impetus is placed on the INITIAL Bolshevik overthrow by hardcore defenders of capitalism and then everything that comes later [USSR supplying anti-Zionist ragheads with weapons, Brezhnev telling Nixon that niggers will inherit the earth if the two countries go to war, the DDR telling Israel to go fuck itself when they wanted "Nazi war criminals" handed over] is like this mysterious void of which we have no recorded information.

Well, yes. The money you earn in the West also has a much higher value in the motherland due to differences in purchasing power.


Could you elaborate on that?


I'm not trying to persuade you of communism. Of course it's internationalist, of course it's anti-nationalist; class is the thing that matters, not race or culture or nation. I'm just saying that capitalism isn't our friend either. I'd advise you to read that Alain de Benoist quotation in the OP again; chances are you're a braindead American who thinks that rejecting communism means you have to fling yourself into a capitalistic abyss. That's not the case.

Thanks for at least being honest.

SJW (alt-left) - Everything i don't like is fascism
neocohenism/lolbergism (alt-right) - Everything i don't like is communism


Kek, fucking called for it. Can't let them goys learn of our false dichotomies.

I don't get your point. You realise that all the former Communist countries are also capitalist now? What's your argument exactly?

People don't even want to live in the FORMER communist countries let alone a current one.

You mean, how Jews convinced a bunch of dumb fucks, the Russian equivalent of you, to hand power over to the Jews, and the suffered for it for literal fucking decades?
Yeah, I wonder why…


Aiding the cause of Zionists by getting capitalists invested in the region in opposition
Rezhnev was married to a Jew.
Which they only did because 'fuck you! you work with capitalist pig-dog americans!', meaning absolutely nothing to me.

No, we have tons of information, the vast majority of it suggesting Gommunism = Jewry.
And Jews/Gommies (aka shabbos goyim) keep trying to change the subject - like you just did - whenever its mentioned, because its hard to defend the fact that their entire movement is one big expression of Jewish ideology.

Just being a nazi is a crime in Russia

Shut the fuck up Gommie, yes you are.

And I have no interest in Jewry, so you can fuck right off with your 'b-b-but its not the real enemy!'.

Gommunism is Jewry.
I don't have any deep love for Capitalism, but I fucking hate Gommunism at LEAST as much, likely more, because it is an even more blatant and extreme expressioin of Jewish ideological perspectives.

And I have no interest in Jewry, nor anyone who suggests anyone ought to have any interest in Jewry, beyond its elimination.

There is truth in this.
Not anymore. Remember FDR? His New Deal was a socialist turn of the american politics, and liberals who want equality cannot support the free market because the free market generates inequality. Only classical liberals wanted the free market and they needed it to undermine monarchies.
No wonder they either adopted capitalistic practices or went bankrupt.
Of course. If they have the chance to employ people for less they will take that chance. Thanks to unions and a generally high standard of living western workers are expensive. Compare that to immigrants who share their homes between multiple families and don't have that level of protection from unions or lawyers. Transnational companies will always go for the cheaper workforce. The funny thing is they bankroll the liberals and the commie politicians to get their cheap labour for them. Also communism was modern slavery benefitting the party elites only. Just like what they accused capitalists.
Both are detrimental but you can't ignore the market without consequences.
Agreed.
You have to find the balance. If you go full worker's paradise you'll bloat up the state and stangle the economy to death. That's what happened to Venezuela. On the other hand if you go full capitalist then you'll get the bad working conditions of the early 20th century America. But first you have to abolish Affirmative Action and every laws and acts that give advantage to alien populations (blacks latinos, indians etc.). Or encourage them to leave.

Praise Kek, Gommunist Jew faggots.

What the fuck , post my image

If only there was some sort of Third Position, eh?

You realise amiferifats will read the first two lines, and then procede to sage and call you a gommie shill right?

You are right, (even if modern liberalism took quite a few elements from Marxism).

What we call liberalism and capitalism though
is little more than the ancestral cult of wealth and materalism above anything else.

(i dont agree with everything that follows, still i think it can give an interesting prospective over certain aspects of modern liberalism)


(cont.)

>The religious centers of the matriarchal goddesses, such as the temple of Artemis in Ephesus, served as the first banking centers. The Greek philosopher and atomist Democritus was one of the first to put into practice the method of speculation and considered democracy to be the ideal political system (Plato and Aristotle considered it to be the worst). The same Democritus blinded himself in order to refrain from looking at women, a fact which resembles the ritual self-castration of the priests of Cybele in Asia Minor.

Third Position is revolving around the transcendent and the eoteric. It isn't a materialistic political view and it show at their economic policies. Mussolini's fascism forced the workers to be part of state controlled unions along with their employers. This diminished the workers' bargaining power.
Nazi Germany used social welfare heavily. I'm sceptical if they could have succeded in the long run if WWII never happened.
Another issue with Third Position is that it uses nationalism to encourage more work for the same or less pay. You have to work because it's your obligation to the Nation. Now What is the Nation? If you look around in America you'll see blacks, lations, etc. You have nothing in common with them. That's why TP only works in homogenous societies which there are none in the Americas and they are disapearing in Europe too.

Sorry, I meant esoteric.