Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

Hello, comrades. I'm young and have only been a communist for the past year or so. I'm struggling to get my head around the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict, so I'm asking:

Is it correct that the conflict is over Israel coming in and taking Palestinian's land and giving them the shittiest, harshest, least fertile places to live + militarily occupying them?

Why does the U.S. give Israel so much money for their military? What imperialism do they do with it for us? Why must we use Israel as a middleman, anyway?

What can you tell me about Hamas? I know it's an extremist, Sunni Muslim, anti-Israel organization and they were democratically elected to govern the Gaza Strip by Palestinians in 2012, and still does. However, that's a very shallow understanding of it. What do Palestinians think of Hamas? Is it genuine support or wary settlement?

Basically just coach me through the basics of Israeli-Palestinian Conflict because I don't trust bourgeois news to give me the story straight and some of those sites and blogs run by Palestinians and people in other Arab countries look sketch and I–of course–don't know the issue well enough to safely navigate who's legit and who's bullshitting.

No shitposting. Holla Forumsposting is always shitposting.

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By Israel coming in, I mean being founded as a country. Just setting up shop where people are already living. Like if you showed up to someone's house all of the sudden, demanded you deserve to live there because it used to be your grandma's house, and then forcing the original residents to live in the bathroom or cellar or something and walking in and popping them whenever you wanted more than you already had or they looked to rebellious for comfort.

Yes.

To have a puppet in the middle east. Oil.

You corner people and then wonder why they puch you.

Basically, it's all because WW1 fucked everything up.

A lot of that stems from the Cold War, with the USSR supporting surrounded secular Baathist Arab states and the US feeling it needed to support Israel to offset USSR influence in the Middle East.

Now a lot of it stems from the support of the American Jewish community via organizations like AIPAC, fundamentalist Christians that think Israel = Israel of Revelations, and secular conservative types that believe Israel is a democratic Western state besieged by savage Islamist fanatics

Yes


Geopolitical interests in maintaining a Western garrison state in the middle of Arab lands, in concert with intense and ubiquitous pro-Israel lobbying and, to a lesser degree, evangelical obsession with the Holy Land


Hamas began partly as an offshoot of the Palestinian wing of the Muslim Brotherhood and came to power in the First Intifada, when Israel encouraged fundamental Islam to discredit and divide the secular PLO (think COINTELPRO-style strategy). Most Palestinians, at least in the West Bank and Israel, loathe Hamas but may sympathize tenuously with them as the most credible resistance. None of my friends or colleagues have any truck with them.

The Palestinian-Israeli encounter is too large to condense, but we can say for starters that (1) it’s primarily over land, (2) the categories of “Jew” v. “Arab” are ahistorical and manipulated for political ends, and (3) it’s not a “conflict” when one side wields total and complete control over the other. As an aside, both Zionism and Palestinian nationalism are the best examples of why ethnonationalism needs to be thrown out.

Source: lived and worked in Israel and in the occupied territory.

Israel is the US's weapons tester. They give them weapons, then Israel uses them and sometimes makes improvements and makes suggestions for further improvement

fuck off faggots

6 million Jewish people died in WWII.
I think they deserve that small piece of clay to settle in.

We've seen that Finkelstein webm a hundred times, you can leave now.

Holla Forums-tier logic. Kindly gtfo.

he's a racist self loathing jew with the attitude of a teenager

there was no palestinian state or people
the immigrants setteled in a desert and made it into an oasis
while the dirty sandniggers are still living in huts
israel is only democratic nation in middle east to secure human and lgbt rights
kys

Okay, it's definitely bait now. Stop replying and just let the thread die.

Thanks to , , and . You guys were good help.

You gave it away with the “oasis” bit. Bait harder, please.

you're evading the argument now?
well i guess Holla Forums just got btfo

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you would think the answer to ethnic cleansing would be to make peace with the people, not moving on with it by different means.

jews belong into europe as they lived there for centuries. they needed integration, not deportation into the desert claiming a "safe space" while pushing away people already living there and making enemies.

hording people on one place where many don't welcome them and "threaten" their existence doesn't seem to be the first thing that comes to mind when you want to ensure their safety and survival.

the solution is already here:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast

Lol no, if the Israelis were any ethnicity other than Jewish most of Holla Forums would not give any fucks about the Palestinians

don't forget to mention that most right wingers that are not directly antisemites also favor israel. breivik for example.

antisemitism(anti-zionism) is explicitly leftist

"National and racial chauvinism is a vestige of the misanthropic customs characteristic of the period of cannibalism. Anti-semitism, as an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of cannibalism.

Anti-semitism is of advantage to the exploiters as a lightning conductor that deflects the blows aimed by the working people at capitalism. Anti-semitism is dangerous for the working people as being a false path that leads them off the right road and lands them in the jungle. Hence Communists, as consistent internationalists, cannot but be irreconcilable, sworn enemies of anti-semitism.

In the U.S.S.R. anti-semitism is punishable with the utmost severity of the law as a phenomenon deeply hostile to the Soviet system. Under U.S.S.R. law active anti-semites are liable to the death penalty."
Uncle Joe, 1931

antizionism became leftist with israel becoming what it is instead of the soviet unions plans for it

Agreed, Jews and leftism go hand in hand. Marx was jew and wrote his manifesto under the guidance of a council of rabbis.

marx hated jews

וי וויי

נאַריש גויים איר וועט באַצאָלן פֿאַר דעם

The jews used ww2 and holocaust guilt as carte blanche to colonized Palestine and it start out as a socialist leftist thing but over time has eroded into a far right colonialist WE ARE THE CHOSEN PEOPLE AND THIS IS OUR LAND thing.

And jews are no longer the lefts pet minority because globalists have flooded every western country with muslims who are the new pet minority

The far left are very strongly in favor of Palestine, while the neocons and mainstream GOP are strongly in favor of Israel.
But so are Hillary and the mainstream democrats, the jew fifth column infiltrated both parties and brainwashed them good.


While the alt rights opinion on all of this is "i hope they kill each other"

You're trying really, really hard. And I respect that, but please take a moment and observe typical Holla Forums behavior before you try to falsefag.

The alt-right is generally really stupid and we don't take their opinion seriously. We aren't primitive enough to think of people as hive minds just because they're all brown, so we support Palestine as they are very clearly the victims of the situation and the middle east has been the victim of western imperialism for years.

Holla Forums is to stupid to think of anything other than in absolutes, so they refuse to acknowledge that the reason all the brown people are turning to a crazy doctrine that talks about killing those who oppose you, and then targeting the west may be because "we've"(since you like to talk about things in terms of hive minds) been fucking them over for the past 80 years.

Okay lets look at muslim history


Oh, but its all americas fault, a bloo bloo bloo

Israel is better than Palestine as far as human rights goes but Israel is worse than Palestine in how they are treating the other.

You stupid retard, I never was defending Islam as a religion. You don't know history, about how countries like Afghanistan, and Iraq became Islamized?

What you want me to look at the history if imperialism in response? Stupid Holla Forumsyp, you guys never learn.

Also, suicide bombings literally didn't exist until after Afghanistan. I'll kill Muslims if they oppose socialism but I don't give a fuck if they're brown or white.

jewish priests suck on toddler boys fresh cut bloody dicks
jesus mother maria was pregnant in her early teens, either by a pedophile god or that old fucking creep going with her
read the koran, but also just explain me real quick how comes it contains rules for how to treat non-muslims under islam rule?
so? you forgot poland in your list, which used to be the greatest medieval power of europe, who gives a shit though?
let me correct you here and explain why you're such an enourmous illiterate faggot:
the US founded islamists who were send out to fight "the soviets" and every muslim secular movement and nation.

you may now continue to cry over how fucking retarded you are, have a nice day, faggot.

There are a few things that most people forget about the situation over there.

1. There were already Jews living in the area before Israel was founded

2. There was Jewish resistance fighting for rights and a country before Israel was founded

3. The current territory of Israel is much MUCH less than they were ceded by British parliament.

Israel was created based on a claim of ancient Jewish residence some millenia before. Of course there were Jews, but a. "Jew" isn't a coherent description of a group of people as there are Palestinian Jews as well as non-white / non-Ashkenazi Jews (almost none of whom live in present day Israel and who Israel feverishly tries to get rid of or forcibly detain with frequency) and b. there was a variety of different ethnic and religious groups in the reason in addition to said Jews.

To the third point, Israel massively increased its territory over the course of the 20th century after a number of wars with various Arab nations. Also, this is misleading - the British mandate allocated maybe 10 percent of the land to Jewish residence, and UN action effectively partitioned the land down the middle after World War II a number of years later.

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This is a good example of what I mean.

Oy vey. More Jewish bigotry.

Jewish idpolers wanted contested holy land. They came in and forced the other people out. That is physically what happened. Everything else is the bullshit of distraction.
Why is it that people that were brainwashed into Jewish idpol as children just can't help but obsessively defend the 'Jews' or even more ironically an often entirely foreign country 'Israel' because they can't eliminate that spook from their head? They just just can't let that spook of Jewish identity go.

It's just one part of that whole dehumanizing system of brainwashing called Judaism and 'Jewish culture', but the holocaust narrative is a great example of the best way to turn human beings into spook zombies. Tell someone they have an identity, and then tell them they're under threat and they have to fight to survive. Watch as the idpol burrows into the deepest region of their subconscious, and they become a slavering half-human shell of the individual they could have been. By the time they've become adults, all but the lucky ones that manage to escape will have turned motivated reasoning into an art form.

It's the same shit happening to 'White' idpol right now because they're being put under threat. Sends in that idpol brainwashing under the radar, right to the instincts.

Well, allow me to simplify for you what will the inevitable future of 'Israel'.

No-one except Jewish idpolers will let a state of Jewish muh privilege, shameless Jewish muh privilege, a state that has in its very mission statement to create oppressive Jewish muh privilege, to exist. And it's just being damn consistent for a leftist to undermine a state that shamelessly constructs that kind of oppressive muh privilege. You're in a damn near indefensible ideological position that can only be only bolstered up with a constant stream of bigotry, outright supremacism and paranoia.
Eventually the weight of having an oppressed population is going to squash the racist Jewish idpol movement flat, and you're just going to have to live in a country where everyone has equal rights and investment in the government.

Sorry.. Eventually… Eventually… You're… You're going to have to live in a country where… Everyone is equal and treated fairly… A horrifying idea to be sure.

The social construct you're obsessed with making 'survive' is just another shitty ignorant human fetish making people waste their time, energy and emotion on completely worthless illusory bullshit when they should be living their lives for themselves.

Sorry.

This thread has become un-salvageable. Best to just sage/hide or ignore.

also, the one unironic Israel apologist should consider suicide