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Because "socialism" is not just "anything a government does" contrary to American belief.

explain how a group of aryan fascists got crashed by inferior antifa

"but they're t-terrorists"

And I guess I'm doing communism too since apparently simply advocating something means you are also doing it.

pick one and only one.

Because it has no relation at all to the 19th century socialist movement. The Nazis just appropriated some "Prussian Socialist" nonsense because they thought the word sounded cool.

Fascist states have historically all defended the institution of wage-labor and private property. It was different from Western plutocracies, I grant you, but it was just a different form of exploitation. Capital accumulation for the state vs capital accumulation for capitalists is nothing but a trivial detail.

What a fine puppet of the bourguise you are, I have no issue with people with different means to the benefit of the people.

youtube.com/watch?v=y1Dif-c-guY

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why did a group of aryan fascists get btfo hard by antifa today?

kek what reality do you live in?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haymarket_affair

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Blair_Mountain

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_M�%Bhsam

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_Ferrer_Guardia

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacco_and_Vanzetti

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinkerton_(detective_agency)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldwin–Felts_Detective_Agency

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO

and I could go on

Again my roots are for the well being of the people, not to achieve any specific form of ideology.

If any Communist doctrine is good for me why would I say no?
Feel free to benefit me, but don't try to chain me.

The U.S is not Fascist, Fascist states had no classes.

I know that, it's just class-collaborationism is an absolute joke as history demonstrates

youtube.com/watch?v=X-xE5nT_icI&bpctr=1467003751
The Fascists of the world who fought for freedom from Bolshevism.

Class unification, everyone served the nation and thus no class was with "exploitation".

The Axis minors.
youtube.com/watch?v=mwKEwiulL9o

But how did a group of aryan fascists get trashed today?

The nation can eat shit and die. I want to serve myself, and socialism is how that happens.

There's always exploitation in a system of private property, because the true economical cost of something is the effort it takes to produce it, and so workers have their labour stolen by the proprietors.

Fascist states remove the idea of exploitation, just as Communists wish to remove the idea of want.

Well then I have nothing but pity for you, some people could care less about how many hot dogs and other consumer items they can devour, my interest is the well being of my God given race and for all else to follow this TRUTH.

I meant to respond to this one

How do you feel about [email protected]/* */ or national syndicalism OP?
Those are the only forms of fascism I really support.

The idea of anything being above the race and nation in Fascism is blasphemy, and is to be rectified by the full extent of the vast powers given to the nation.

Come on dude it's a simple question.

How did a group of white american fascists lose to a whiny group of liberals?

And what if we aren't of the same race? What if I just don't care for people that happen to be of my ethnic group?

That's why he banned labor unions, and strengthened the private sector at every opportunity he got right?

Yeah, fuck off.
You're not a socialist. "Class collaboration" is a joke, and doesn't work.

Also stop the the infographs, that stuff works on normies but not on people here. I don't give a fuck how much propaganda you lost, and I don't want to devote my life to "muh nation" just because I had the confidence of being born in it. What if I don't like my nation? What if I don't like the treatment of other races or jews under your laws? I don't want to swear loyalty to that? I never will want to.

Personal interest is exterminated and replaced with a Racial Interest, truly revolutionary.

youtube.com/watch?v=FLAgE77aV8U

Then you will not be a Fascist and are free to live your pitiful life where you can devour an extra burger.

So you're answer to "why should I care about nation/race?" is "because we'll kill you if you don't"?

Anyway, the notion that workers should treat capitalists as if they're all part of some great extended family because they happen to share the same ethnicity is just infantile. Pure tribalist nonsense.

There is no other races in other borders, this goes against the international Not Socialist laws, thus no racial exploitation.
This exterminates colonialism and war.

No what if I just don't want to serve the interest of the few you fucking cuck. What if I don't buy into the dogma of the nation, and resent all the horrible things the fascist did, from Hitler to Pinochet.

I'm glad the Nazis on the capital got fucking destroyed with "sticks and cement".

So what if I think this is fucking retarded?

and you call us fucking idealists.

I know this probably feels like some kind of higher purpose to you, but to us it's incredibly weird and unsettling.

You also seem to think we're liberals. Which is unfortunately the default for newcomers.

Feel free to be counter revolutionary.
youtube.com/watch?v=TJ3Kx8FZ_wg

What is the point of this image anyway? Is "our absolute dictator will force all creative expression to conform to our ideology" supposed to seem appealing?

fucking brilliant shit right there

fixed

don't exist

All conflicting personal interests molded into one path, one truth, one way forward.

lmao there's only one path one truth and one way forward and that's mine bucko. Fuck off with you're empty ghosts

What if instead of a single person or small group deciding to eliminate all dissenting thought, we have some sort of direct democratic process where all of the people have a chance to agree on what's best for them? Personally, I think that sounds pretty cool instead.

Okay :)

T-t-t-terrorists!

Fascism is democratic in the true nature of the word.

And the reason for invading poland was totally because of the uncertain repression of ethnic germans (not even german citizens, just people who had some cultural and ancestral ties to germany) right?

They seem to be criminals and thus are automatically banned from representation under my laws.

WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

Hmmmmmm

those jpegs didn't even address his point

Central European border conflict.

How does this kind of rigid, insectile, collectivism appeal to you? That seems pretty horrifying to me, and I'm a fucking Leninist.

Are you just looking for some kind of personal oblivion? Some sort of ego-death? Are you just using race and nation like some men use the needle and spoon?

call me a fucking reactionary, but i really think falangism was true socialism, it was way closer to anarchism than is to fascism.

nazism was fucking retarded, fascism also was.

that's probably what he's doing

And Germany decided to resolve it through…?
It's a three letter word that starts with a W, on the tip of my tongue….

Warmongers, Germany did not Warmonger, they did everything they could to not go to war.

No, I'm pretty sure that having a ruling group that decides for the people is not democracy. Like I said, I'd personally prefer democracy. That doesn't mean that I currently have it where I live, but it's something worth fighting for rather than giving up all rights and letting your fate be in the hands of a small few.

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Your fate is always in the hands of a few, you are raised by a few (family) and they are raised by the capital owners.

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How about that referendum the Allies sent them to leave Poland after they were told not to invade?

False equivalency. Also we are proposing we eliminate the capital owners, so how is this an argument for fascism?

No matter how you slice it, no one will ever view my parents raising me with benevolence to "hate niggers or I'm going to shoot you"

How did a group of die hard fascists get beat up by weak ass liberals with sticks?

Fascism recognizes the ruling class and governs solely by the will of the people, which is molded by the nation for the betterment of the nation, the new man.

youtube.com/watch?v=-0Y9P65fGAE

Do you guys think this guy is seriously mentally sound enough to have a reasonable discussion with you?

Yes, which is why I believe that we should remove as much of that as possible by putting the means of production in the hands of working people. That reduces the effect of the latter, and improved education and societal support reduces possible negative effects of the former.
All in all, I don't think you're selling me your dictatorial concepts. Sorry, bro.

Oh, another fascist come to try and bring us over to their side. I'm gonna go get me some popcorn.

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Also
So I'm supposed to believe that remaining conflicts from the 1250s was involved in this?

some important advice op

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No such thing under Fascism, only the ones given authority by the Führer to lead our fists and hammers into production.

youtube.com/watch?v=x-Ll5-xj8lg

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That's still class, are you retarded? It's the aristocracy, does that somehow make it different to us.

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Theyre a fascist, it like asking if sugar is sweet

Why do you believe I am against your interest?
We are the only ones to give power and well being/stability to the world.

Even if you were Jew, you would be bound by the same laws I created and thus conflict exterminated, you would serve the collective interests of the entire world.

Because platitudes don't equal fact, friend. A large portion of the workers of the world would suffer should a fascist government become prominent and powerful.

It's like fascist can only quote meaningless right wing platitudes instead of forming coherent arguments.

because you appear to have already decided what's in my interest you presumptuous ass

I refuse to be under any laws but my own

How so?
I am for giving power back to workers and away from Communist builders.

How do you feel about the workers owning the means of production?
Also you didn't answer my previous question:

youtube.com/watch?v=hWTFG3J1CP8
I believe in workers free from Marxism.

see

Your kind have never been a friend to us.

I have no issue with profits being distributed equally, if it impedes future/collective profits then it should be curtailed to a level suitable for progression.

You are inherently not, you are suggesting an authoritarian figure organize and control the people. That is not giving power to workers, that is giving great power to a ruling class and hoping that they use that power to support the needs of the workers.
And even if they do support the needs of their own workers, they will not support the fight for all workers to be liberated from capitalism by the simple fact that nationalism only cares about what goes on within their won borders.

That is not what owning the means of production means, friend.

That is a declaration of your own, Hitler sent many soldiers and equipment to fight for Fascism in the world.

I am suggesting that only a man can lead a people into a purpose, every individual has conflicting personal interests this makes them bicker and have conflict with each other.

Yes, he did. He did not liberate those people.

Whats with the guys haircut on the right? Looks fucking degenerate to me.

Okay, fair enough. I do have a few questions though.
How do you define "progression"?
Also, what makes you think that profit sharing/worker ownership would "impede" profits?

I'm genuinely asking. I feel that engaging in open dialogue is more productive than just memeing buzzwords like "bash the fash".

Not as degenerate as the shenanigans they'll get up to later in the hotel. What happens in Tokyo stays in Tokyo, am I right kameraden?

The USSR believed in something similar, a vanguard class in order to help organize and make the will of the people a reality. You seem to be rather against that vanguard class, so why do you promote your own vanguard?

free vacations for students.
youtube.com/watch?v=0t37cSLZqYY

You very much are against my interests, as my interests are seeing you and people like you hung and left to rot :)

I was like you once you know, i was a nazi. I have more of a reason to hate you shit than most people, because i know what you fucks are actually capable of.

and what are those exactly? what you define them as?

ebin

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Reminder to sage, comrades.

Did his post get pruned?
If they mods are going to ban people they should at least be transparent about it.

Racial purity, economic progression, and respect for their traditions and cultures.

I don't give a fuck about that. All I care about is being human, though I expect that I will eventually have to give up that should humanity reach a certain technological point.
I do care about this, and the concept of a vanguard class might allow for this though it doesn't sit well with me.
I also give zero shits about this. Traditions mean nothing other than that some asshole used to think it was a good idea, I'd much rather do things because they make sense in the present.

Then you aren't for the interests of the world, comrade.

they deleted it themselves.

I disagree greatly, given that the world has pretty thoroughly dropped fascism :^)

Traditionalism is ridiculous and silly. If you were for feudalism due to it respecting the culture of western european people, I would laugh all the same.

Which one of my posts got pruned?
youtube.com/watch?v=8S0I0J_fXLo
if you want a world socialist republic feel free to attempt it, no clue how without a small few forcing their doctrine and beliefs.

Fair enough.

Wasn't even German
Threw the whole country into debt
From a man who had no respect for slavic or jewish culture

Traditionalism is one of the only things that gives you power over capital owners, traditionalism, family, race, and religion are what gives power to the workers.

Wrong board, fam.
>>>Holla Forums

Not the person you're responding to but not really.
The fact is, the bourgeois don't really care about traditionalism or social progressivism. They'll go with whatever is popular so long as it means that they might be able to turn it into a market demographic in order to make a profit.

Don't care. I'm mixed race myself anyway.
Not fascism see the pic I've posted twice.
Why should I care about this just because I happen to be born into X or Y?

I am a socialist, inb4 now a real socialist.

Don't really care about some spooky shit, especially when the people claiming to defend it are apparently willing to jump around like crazy about who is what "race"

Why in the shit should I care about trying to preserve something that changes every generation?

The only thing that seems relevant is economy because it's the foundation of a society (protip: try simulating a society without a culture. Then try simulating one without an economy). None of the rest seems like it has anything to do with anything.

This is your brain on Holla Forums

This is what Fascists actually believe

What a ridiculous suggestion. Where I come from (The US), traditionalism is exactly what justifies capitalism and capitalists seeing as our country is built upon capitalism and imperialism. To be modernist would be to go against both of those ideas, as I do. I openly embrace technology and new ideas and hope to combine them with my [spoiler]ideology[/sub] in order to improve the world I live in.

Honestly, what you're proposing seems like taking everything bad about capitalism, making it worse, while discarding the redeeming qualities of liberal society. You have the same exploitation of workers, but you dress it up with a bunch of nationalist woo to make it seem like seem like some sort of collective struggle.

If you remove religion, traditions, race, and such you are isolating yourself to a purely economic position.

I bet you don't even know what socialism is.

The US has no traditions or culture.

Well, I don't have a problem with a certain degree of national traditionalism per se. As for religion, I feel the state should be secular. As for race, yeah, I'm a bit concerned about the fact that my race is being destroyed demographically.
With that said, my statement still applies.
If you really want to restore traditionalism, and limit immigration, removing capitalism is the only means to do so.

youtube.com/watch?v=D9mSBQeRlKc

You don't know what socialism means.

thanks for the laff

The removal of the personal economic domination of the few and leading it into the hands of the well being of the people, this is what I believe, and what I believe all sane people believe.

LEL

If you believe in socialism and nationalism, why are you a Hitlerist and not a [email protected]/* */?

That's some fuckin slippery snake wording there, I'm impressed. You almost make it sound like you believe in power for the working class, but you instead believe in keeping the exact same system but with the implication that they will eventually help the working class. I love it.

It's almost as if a bunch of people who are mostly concerned with the economic core of human societies and have written books about how the religions and cultures are largely replacable and irrelevant are mostly going to look at the economy and take economic positions

Meanwhile in Nazi Germany:

listverse.com/2013/10/24/10-big-business-nazi-profiteers/

There is, actually. The irony is that the biggest proponents of American folk traditions and culture have almost all been lefties, while the right promoted a fake 1950s propaganda version of the United States.

It's mostly how you will have no power other than that of the particular economic position you are placed by the militants, thus playing into the economic exploiters hands.

A people united by race, traditions, culture, and religion is much harder to divide and conquer than one concerned with only their personal interest.

Much the opposite, a people focused more on their race, tradition, cultures and religion can be convinced that their economic system is not of much importance.

What do you do?

Well of course you subvert and destroy all meaningful roots of them all and introduce new ones that subverts and makes them all completely arbitrary.

You let the superior culture, race and people win

: ^)

Wrong.

Socialism is worker ownership of the means of production and social management of the economy.

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Reminder that fascism is the political equivalent of being a NEET who lives with, and under the authority of, his parents, indefinitely, whilst not only loving it but demanding others join in too.

Lmao.

Others have probably already said it, but I'll go ahead and say it also:

GO DIE IN A FIRE YOU FASCIST SCUM

We will never, EVER allow your or your kind to ever rise to power again. We WILL confront you, we will fight you, and we WILL CRUSH YOU, without mercy. The world united against you once, and we will gladly stomp you back into the sewer you scum crawled out of.

If possible, by words.
If not words, then by fists.
If not fists, then by clubs,
And if not clubs….well, remember what happened to your fuhrer.

There is literally no nation on Earth that wasn't pro Fascist, try to name one that it's PEOPLE didn't support fascism.

We are a peoples revolution.

That the people were fooled by platitudes from dictators is no surprise, seeing as you have been fooled as well even after seeing how ineffective your ideas are.

The fooled one is you.

Is that so? Why did the people raise against Salazarism?

Where was the people's support for Integralism?

How's Mussolini hanging these days, if I may ask?

Fascists find truths and enforces it, exterminating lies.

Bourgeois capitalist subversion.

Perhaps we should agree to disagree and you should go back to a place that accepts what you say fully. This has not been an enlightening argument for me, and something tells me you don't see my position as acceptable either.

Unlike you, most of us don't use Marx saying something as evidence that it's true.

SUBVERSION

Stop wasting your time spouting platitudes here. That shit works on normies who only think using pathos, but leftist appeal to logos, probably our downfall in modern times.

Tell me more about how culture and nation and race are insurmountable for these economic exploiters.

Let me put on some music and browse some dank memes while you do that.

youtube.com/watch?v=_WTBkj8gFfI

youtube.com/watch?v=Rr8ljRgcJNM

lmao when are you going to start calling us cucks?

That was very informative, from that I can tell the truth that Capitalists exploit poor nations other than that no other truths.

Fascism is the people the people can't be against the people.

LMFAO

I have no clue why you oppose me, I am for destroying the Capitalists exploitation of the many, we have differences in doctrine but our enemies are the same, we also fundamentally want the same thing ignoring ideological zealots.

youtube.com/watch?v=hWTFG3J1CP8

LEL

No political system can literally be the people - the people can temporarily support a political system, but if that system is not empowering by differing primary power to the people then it is oppressive for the people will not have to power to make sure that system works for them.

Simply put, I do not believe your solution will do as you say. Just as the bolshevik vanguard class took agency away from the people, I expect fascism to do the same through their vanguards.

Really the greatest irony of this all is that the only way to "save" culture from its watering down, commercialization, appealing to the lowest common denominator, is to straight up fight the economic system that makes it possible, namely, the capitalist private-property profit system.

Consider this, if capitalists can turn a buck by pushing commodities that slowly break down culture, will they not do so and the profit will be both reward and the means by which they continue to gnaw at other parts of culture? Why shouldn't they? What's stopping them from doing that to every culture? Strip everything that's not cheap and profitable? Might not this be something that's already who knows how many years in the making?

Capitalists are the enemies of Fascism.

And yet fascism does not reject the core of capitalism. You still agree that people who "make businesses" should be allowed to profit off that business and its growth. And if that business would grow more by selling to everyone instead of just the one nation you want it to, fascism is in the way of the national businesses it claims to want to protect and uphold. And, well, you're in the way of compound interest. It doesn't take a genius to figure out which will be stronger in the end.

I am confident in my system, I am sure the world will follow suit if Fascists are given their freedom.

I fully believe you are confident in your system, but I find it hypocritical for you to be proud of your vanguard but disgusted by soviet vanguards. My beliefs are as consistent as I believe they can be.

The state has complete power over businesses in Fascism, they profit only from the willingness of the people and the state, usurers and exploiters were executed.

The party is the state and the party is the people, the parties leadership entirely derived from the best blood and loyals of the nation.

youtube.com/watch?v=y1Dif-c-guY
3:43

everything2.com/title/Big Business in Nazi Germany

Define "capitalism"

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The nation is a spook.

Holla Forums is annexing this board. Resistance is futile.

Oh no, are you going to post images of corpses and infographics about the holocaust? How will I possibly discuss leftism in such a harsh environment?

Kill all fascists. One last genocide.

hahahahahahaha

I just might!

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Delete this.

You niggers made that meme. Now you want him to delete it?

The goyim can't know the truth.

HAAHAHHA This is a fucking joke right? The bourgeoisie loved Hitler in his hayday

o am i lauffin

coughnamibiacough

Every time.

makes sense